effects of enhancives on max load

[gilchristr]

By max load, I mean the threshold where you cannot pick up another item.

Does anyone know the formula? I once thought it was based solely on body weight, but after using some strength enhancives, I'm not sure that's quite right (it seems like max load went up when using strength enhancives).

[Donquix]

https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Encumbrance ?

[gilchristr]

I took care to define "max load" in my previous post. What I defined is not EXPLICITLY addressed in that link. If I am missing something, please explain.


For instance, this:
This penalty is capped at 100% when a character's encumbered weight equals their body weight.

... implies that max load may be greater than 100% of their body weight. I haven't double checked the numbers, but I think I have carried more than 100% of body weight.

[Allereli]

Strength will let you hold more. Is that what you need to know?

see the formula in the linked page.

[gilchristr]

Allereli - no.

I had forgotten that encumbrance can completely negate DS from dodge. If I understand how mass blurs works, then the DS gained from mass blurs starts dropping as load goes up, and is zero given sufficient encumbrance.

[Allereli]

I'll just wait to see if Mark understands what you're asking

[gilchristr]

Ok, that would be great. The article is mainly about "The amount of weight that a character can carry before becoming encumbered ", whereas I am interested in learning more about "the amount of weight that a character can carry receives the messaging that he is too overloaded to pick up that gem".

[Whirlin]

You're being incredibly unclear in your requests, and not fully understanding what Allereli and Donquix was providing you.
There are two limits on carry capacity. One is weight based, the other is item based.

The first sentance of your first post implies item limit, whereas the second sentance implies weight based carry capacity, which is measured via the encumbrance verb, and encumbrance is a relative measurement of carry capacity. You make the exact same similar ambiguity in your last post by referencing the 'too overloaded' message, but ocommenting on weight.


If you're hitting the item based carrying capacity, then you will receive a message simply like, "too overloaded to pick up that blahblahblahblahblah"
If you're hitting the weight based capacity, you'll get a message like you struggle to pick up the item but fail.

Weight based capacity messaging is more of an attempt and failure, as opposed to item capacity being more along the lines of you're unable to try.

Encumbrance is an evaluation of your maximum weight based carrying capacity. Item based carrying capacity is a straight 500 items, however bottle only count as... 1 or 2 items, instead of the 20 they have inside.

[Jeril]

If you're hitting the weight based capacity, you'll get a message like you struggle to pick up the item but fail.


This is what he is asking about. He wants to know what that limit is. It doesn't appear to be on the wiki however. I seem to recall it is body weight * 2 but I could be wrong.

[Riltus]

Ok, that would be great. The article is mainly about "The amount of weight that a character can carry before becoming encumbered ", whereas I am interested in learning more about "the amount of weight that a character can carry receives the messaging that he is too overloaded to pick up that gem".

Maximum capacity is [(2 * body weight) + unencumbered carrying capacity]. At this point you can no longer pick up even a single coin.

BASE unencumbered carrying capacity is ((STR Stat - 20)/200) * body weight] + (body weight/200). Strength (509) increases this an additional 15% of the character's body weight.

There is no specific messaging with the ENCUMBRANCE verb that indicates when you have reached this threshold and are unable to GET another item. The highest level of encumbrance messaging is displayed when encumbered weight exceeds 100% of body weight.


First Person Messaging:

>get gem
You are unable to handle the additional load a golden beryl gem would add.
>get coin
You cannot hold any more silvers.

Third Person Messaging:
<Character> struggles to get a golden beryl gem, but fails.


Mark

[gilchristr]

Yes Jeril.

I have also heard body weight * 2 , but I thought I noticed an increase when using strength enhancives (not absolutely sure by any means, just a general impression after using strength enhancives). Hence the reason for my, as whirlin terms it it, "incredibly unclear" inquiry :)

[Whirlin]

This is what he is asking about. He wants to know what that limit is. It doesn't appear to be on the wiki however. I seem to recall it is body weight * 2 but I could be wrong.


... implies that max load may be greater than 100% of their body weight. I haven't double checked the numbers, but I think I have carried more than 100% of body weight.

This quote from the conclusion of the encumbrance page is the answer to your question. The article also explains that there is a carrying capacity PRIOR to contributing to your encumbrance capacity. When it's referring to your encumbrance weight maxing at your character weight, it's weight in excess of this 'free' carry capacity. This is also entirely subject to things like 509 also.

Furthermore, use of lightened armor completely messes with the equation by granting additional unencumbered weight. Jeril may be observing closer to 2x carry capacity because wearing lightened full plate as a giantman basically adds about 70 pounds of unencumbered weight to giantmen.

I'll double check the formulas when I get home, if Mark hasn't gotten to it by then.

... ... Mark beat me to it.

[gilchristr]

Mark to the rescue again.

Thank you Mark!


Also thanks Whirlin and Jeril and others.