bounties - training - assessing waste or not

[Enuch]

I was wondering if singling in Survival, Perception, and First aid is viable for achieving bounties for skinning, foraging and search loot quests, or would I be better served ditching surival?

I figure survival will be handy when I start doing alchemy and I want perception for CM dodging and FA for future rescues but wondering if I should adjust my training some as right now the real bread and butter is the exp off of bounties. Presently my training is set up so that I can have chrisms at 25 and looks like such.


LVL 5
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 25 5
Physical Fitness...................| 30 6
Arcane Symbols.....................| 30 6
Magic Item Use.....................| 30 6
Harness Power......................| 30 6
Spirit Mana Control................| 50 10
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 20 4
Spiritual Lore - Religion..........| 10 2
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 15 3
Survival...........................| 30 6
Perception.........................| 30 6
First Aid..........................| 30 6

Spell Lists
Major Spiritual....................| 3

Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 5

Spell Lists
Cleric.............................| 6

Strength (STR): 71 (15) ... 71 (15)
Constitution (CON): 81 (15) ... 81 (15)
Dexterity (DEX): 80 (15) ... 80 (15)
Agility (AGI): 51 (0) ... 51 (0)
Discipline (DIS): 67 (8) ... 67 (8)
Aura (AUR): 81 (15) ... 81 (15)
Logic (LOG): 67 (13) ... 67 (13)
Intuition (INT): 62 (11) ... 62 (11)
Wisdom (WIS): 91 (20) ... 91 (20)
Influence (INF): 25 (-12) ... 25 (-12)

I have 5 fixstats still available and have 30 day migration so playing around can be handy. I love doing the bounties but also want to be chrisming at 25 if possible, should I adjust to 2x and lose the lores until 25 and fixskill then to maximize bounties, or ride out the current. I have markedly had some difficulty with search quests and have yet to get skinning, the forage quest was doable but took a while.

[audioserf]

My empath is 1x in FA, Survival and Perception and I've never had trouble doing skinning, foraging or heirloom searching. 213 makes the latter two a more or less riskless endeavor, at that.

[Candor]

I have singled in first Aid, survival, and tripled in perception and have had no significant problems except for skinning griffins in OTF. I can sometimes skin them, but the skin quality tends to be low. But griffins are designed to be tough to skin, and some characters don't bother with the task of skinning them.

[Enuch]

appreciate the insights! I will keep plugging along then

[Celephais]

... You're level 5 and your bread and butter is exp off bounty tasks?

Sure it can add a little extra exp and over-fry you, but if you're spending time missing pulses off node searching through rooms you could be hurting yourself, and at that low level I've had a lot less luck getting "good" bounties as the level range and the sheer number of creatures at low levels means you're probably not in an ideal area for you to be hunting in the first place. I wouldn't spec your training and hinder your ability to do hunting type bounties by spec'ing for skin/foraging bounties. I do not believe the search room bounties are as heavily influenced by skill so much as just luck in my experience (fully expect to be wrong about that, but w/ low perception characters I don't have any trouble).

I'd say stay singled in first aid, that sounds like something you want for other reasons, keep perception decent, that has other uses, but feel free to cut a few ranks every now and then, and cut survival when you need the points (don't forget to save some points for a few ranks of climbing and swimming)

[Versin]

I kept my cleric under 0.5x (FA+Survival) to avoid skinning bounties. As a cleric I did not see the return on investment, the high-quality skinning bounties were too hard and enough of the tasks were not undead. For clerics, survival is a pretty niche skill and the main benefit of FA is tending corpses for rescues, but it is pretty easy to find an empath and rezzing returns hp anyway.

Foraging bounties you can do for a while because of the sweet cleric profession bonus, no need to train for them. As has been said, 213 is your friend.

Regardless of whether you want to do skinning bounties long-term, definitely avoid them in your first levels since 5 ranks of first aid won't get you anywhere. As has been said, the xp from bounties is not great at low levels.

Also note that while you can create chrisms at level 25, you cannot make full ones until 51, and most people only want full ones.

[Whirlin]

Also note that while you can create chrisms at level 25, you cannot make full ones until 51, and most people only want full ones.

This... I leveled my cleric up to 51 specifically for this purpose...

Also to keep in mind, Chrisms are readilly available EVERYWHERE for CHEAP. If you don't have a pocket bard to purify your gems, it may be easier to just buy them and train in whatever lores you want to, rather than dedicating the TP for chrisms. If my cleric was actually intended to be more viable and not just a chrism mule, I'd have considered 1x lores, and more spell research.

[Jeril]

The exp from bounties may not be what it is at in higher levels but it can still push you above the 1.5-2kish exp muddled to fried gets you.

[Soulance]

As a Cleric, and it might have been mentioned already, but FA is good for rescues and field raises. Not always an empath around so unless you keep all the herb juices from Pinefar with you, good to know how to tend. And yea, chrisms are cheaper now. You can buy them for around 12k and easily charge 20k to the one needing them. Otherwise it ranges from 15k - 25k for a chrism. When you get older it's easier to find orb gems.

[Celephais]

The exp from bounties may not be what it is at in higher levels but it can still push you above the 1.5-2kish exp muddled to fried gets you.
... okay so pretty much everything you said was wrong. The exp is the same. The exp from clear to fried is, with perfect (non boosted) stats, 1k. If the bounty exp would put you over fried you get a portion of it immediately, which is the only real benefit at low levels, because keeping yourself fried at level 5 is pretty effortless.

If you were talking about 1.5-2k on lumnis, well... that's weird you'd talk like that and the sentence still doesn't make a lot of sense, of course getting 800 exp from a bounty will put you over the 350 exp it takes to go from muddled at 650 to be fully fried at 1000. But 7 rats would get you to fried too.

Yes, bounty exp is great, do the bounties when you can. Don't change your training for skinning bounties.

[Jeril]

... okay so pretty much everything you said was wrong. The exp is the same. The exp from clear to fried is, with perfect (non boosted) stats, 1k. If the bounty exp would put you over fried you get a portion of it immediately, which is the only real benefit at low levels, because keeping yourself fried at level 5 is pretty effortless.

If you were talking about 1.5-2k on lumnis, well... that's weird you'd talk like that and the sentence still doesn't make a lot of sense, of course getting 800 exp from a bounty will put you over the 350 exp it takes to go from muddled at 650 to be fully fried at 1000. But 7 rats would get you to fried too.

Yes, bounty exp is great, do the bounties when you can. Don't change your training for skinning bounties.

Exp per hour. Of course if I train a character to skin I do it for other reasons then bounties. With the right creatures you can get some good bps, but the exp from skinning tasks does tend to be less then you'd get for a creature task. Almost seems silly to me but I guess it is because you can pay someone to do them for you or buy the skins so there can be less risk if you desire.