Total War: Warhammer War of the Hammers of War

[Taernath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i4d3ignBNQ

Hold on to your butts

[Nathala Crane]

As much as I like 40k, I'm glad they're going with Warhammer Fantasy for this. It's been a long time since we got a decent WH game.

[Taernath]

Probably makes sense as WH is the most mechanically similar to a TW game.

[Fallen]

Just read a fairly good summation of what to expect from this game:


The Creative Assembly has announced Total War: Warhammer (http://www.pcgamer.com/total-war-warhammer-officially-announced-with-trailer/) properly, and released the debut trailer, a CGI affair full of army, unit and hero reveals. It's hugely exciting if you happen to be a fan of both series. On paper, it's a perfect union of lore, studio and technology, and I can't wait to see what the a fantasy setting can do to shake up the Total War formula. Expect magic, huge armies and ridiculous monsters.Here's a round-up of all the Warhammer cameos we've spotted in the trailer. Appearance in a CGI video doesn't guarantee them a spot in the finished game, but studios are careful about the specifics they show. In short, I wouldn't bet against there being Orcs. Lots and lots of Orcs.





Lots and lots of Orcs
It wouldn't be Warhammer without the Greenskins. Here's a Warboss leading a squad of boar riders. Boars make tiny mounts for Warhammer's bloodthirsty barbarian race, but the more tusks the better, and an Orc likes anything that can serve as a combat ally and food at the same time.
It might seem tricky to fit Orcs—who barely build cities—into Total War's turn-based empire phase, but actually the rules for steppe nomads in Total War: Attila are a great fit. This let the goths and the Huns form impromptu settlements wherever they chose, and encouraged armies to move and pillage to survive. Perfect for a roving Orc Waaaaagh.
Goblins


Here are some Forest Goblins riding Arachnarok spiders (http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120209023_ArachnarockSpiderNEW03.jpg), who they worship as gods and use like siege tanks. Goblins normally form smaller units within Orc hordes (who bully them terribly), and tend to be the funniest elements of any army. Night Goblin Fanatics get high on hallucinogenic toadstools and then swing round and round with a huge ball and chain. If you're lucky, they'll plough into the enemy without wrapping themselves round a tree. If you're unlucky they'll go straight into your ranks, killing dozens. There's no sign of them in this trailer, though, and no sign of the Goblins' adorable hungry pets, the bouncy red Squigs.
Karl Franz and the Empire


In full view we see the emperor of mankind, Karl Franz, and his lovely big griffon, Deathclaw. This is a completely faithful rendering of Games Workshop's vision (http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120202030_KarlFranzonDeathclawNEW02.jpg), down to his shiny overwrought crest on the griffon't breastplate. He's holding the Hammer of Sigmar, which will smite you to death if you somehow make it past his pet.
KF—don't call him that to his face—leads the mighty Empire, the biggest human faction in the Warhammer universe (there are a bunch of fancy Arthurian knights called the Bretonnians, but they seem to have fallen out of favour with Games Workshop these days). The Empire have a good mix of wizards, peasant fodder, cavalry and machines, like the oh-so-unreliable Steam Tank (http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120202027_SteamTankNEW01.jpg), and most closely match the sort of armies Total War fans have been warring with since Medieval: Total War.
Magic


There are eight human schools of magic available to humans in Warhammer, and all have access to absurd spells that can wipe out entire units. The trouble is the winds of magic mages use to power their abilities blow hot and cold. When a spell goes wrong, it goes violently wrong, to the detriment of both the caster and any poor souls standing near them.
We don't know yet how far The Creative Assembly will go to recreate the way magic works in the tabletop game, but this big blue meteor suggests that magic will be a serious force, even if they don't go as far as adding the Orc spell that summons the foot of their gods, Gork and Mork, to stamp on enemies.
Dwarves


They're Dwarves. You know what Dwarves are like. They live underground, they mine things, build things, drink tankards of ale and braid each other's beards. In the tabletop game mad contraptions like flying gyrocopters and rapid-fire cannons deal decent but unpredictable damage (machines jam a lot in the Warhammer universe) while well armoured footsoldiers soak up irritating amounts of punishment. Their best unit doesn't rely on technology or armour. In fact they don't really wear clothes at all. They run around with big hair and bigger axes looking for Trolls to kill. Slayers FTW (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-NL/Dwarf-Slayers?_requestid=551906).
Von Carstein and the Undead


There are a few breeds of vampire kicking about the Warhammer universe. The Von Carsteins are the Hammer horror variety—flamboyant, charismatic, and dangerous. This looks like Mannfred von Carstein, who tends to ride big evil undead things like this haunted robot dog (http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120207027_Mannfed01.jpg). In the trailer he's gone for a more conventional undead dragon and seems to be leading a throng of undead warriors. Mannfred is trapped in service of the godlike necromancer Nagash, who wants to reap the souls of everyone in the world, starting with the Empire. This guy's a natural nemesis to Karl Franz. I imagine diplomacy between the two will be quite difficult.
Tzeentch and the forces of Chaos


This gritty HBO reboot of Sam the Eagle is in fact a greater deamon (http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/c/c2/Lord_of_Change_trophy.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130328005530) of the chaos god Tzeentch, aka The Lord of Change. The Chaos gods are Warhammer's take on Lovecraft's mythos. These unknowable beings lurk beyond the veil, tempting mortals with promises of power. Tzeentch is a slightly unconventional choice (games tend to go for the Khorne's familiar hooves 'n horns vibe), but a promising one considering Tzeentch's love of magic, floating discs and barfing demonic manta-ray chariots (http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99129915016_BurningChariot03.jpg). Tzeentch takes over a priest of Sigmar Light wizard (thanks, Shandwen) in the trailer. Will Chaos be a faction in their own right, or will corrupt humans be able to invite demons into battle, desperate to turn back the double threat of the Orcs and Undead?
Dragons, ogres and siege warfare


Dragons! They're not normally associated with the Orcs, but here they are anyway burning an Imperial city to mulch. You can pick out some Ogres in the foreground. Ogres can serve as their own army in Warhammer, but it's not crazy that Orcs could rope a few of them into a Waaagh. They are sensitive souls, after all, and susceptible to peer pressure.
The Total War series is getting better at siege battles with every edition, and this glorious fortress stomp is surely an indication that siege battles will be a significant part of Total War: Warhammer, only now we'll have monsters to smash the walls down, or just fly over them. Defenders' jobs just got harder.
Elves, Skaven and others

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Notable by their absence, the Dark, High and Wood flavours of Elf are nowhere to be seen in this particular trailer. Skaven, Lizardmen and a bunch of other armies have also been left out. They may turn up in one of the two standalone expansions planned announced today, and if Total War: Warhammer follows the DLC patterns of recent Total War games, new units could be inserted into each army as DLC.
That's about it, I believe, until we see more of the game. Anything we've missed?

[Nathala Crane]

Yeah, strategy sim. I've personally never played a Total War game, but if impressions are good, I might have to play this one.

[Gelston]

I am interested to see what CA comes out with this. We've known for a bit their next game was this, some are upset, but I'm interested in what they'll do. Either way, it'll make for an easy LOTR mod.

[Androidpk]

I'm only upset because it isn't 40k. I'm still excited for this though.

[Thondalar]

Yeah, strategy sim. I've personally never played a Total War game, but if impressions are good, I might have to play this one.

Even if you're not a fan of strategy games, you're doing yourself a great disservice. You could pick up Medieval II, Rome, Shogun II, couple others on Steam for like 5-10 bucks, or even cheaper if you wait a month for the summer sale to start.

[Androidpk]

40k would totally work. Yes there is some shooting but a lot of the Combat is also melee.

[Makkah]

Day one for me.

[Gelston]

And they have no plans to support modding with this game. Their reasoning being that it isn't just a CA game... I imagine Games Workshop doesn't want them to.

They have said this game will be a "trilogy" with the first races being available being: The Empire, Vampire Counts, Dwarves, and Greenskins.

Bunch of info here: http://forums.totalwar.com/showthread.php/155046-TW-Warhammer-Information-from-CA

Sucks that there is no modding support, but still, everything they've said so far sounds pretty badass.

Rumors on the Total War forums is that it'll release fall/winter of this year. They have been working on it for years already... I remember seeing a shot of one of the computer's showing a Warhammer model during Rome 2 development.

And now, back to my Geat viking campaign. About to be pounding on the Sassanids from the East.

[Taernath]

A few screenshots released the other day:

http://www.gameinformer.com/games/total_war_warhammer/b/pc/archive/2015/06/04/total-war-warhammer-shows-off-its-epic-battles.aspx


We had a chance to take a look at some of the battles that are coming with Creative Assembly’s Total War: Warhammer, and things look promising. While we’re used to seeing swarms of humans tearing into each other with swords, axes, and catapults, this diversion to the realm of fantasy features fantastic creatures and creations that would seem completely out of place in the more historically-rooted franchise. Trolls, flying monsters, steam tanks, spellcasters, demigryphs, and even Karl Franz make an appearance in a demo of the Battle of Blackfire Pass, and things looked incredible. I’ve always wondered what fantasy and the Total War franchise would look like if they came together, and even the single battle we witnessed makes a strong case that these elements should keep coming together (although I’m still completely okay with the more historical titles as well).

http://media1.gameinformer.com/filestorage/CommunityServer.Components.SiteFiles/imagefeed/screenshots/totalwarwarhammer/Giant_new_logo_1433243986.png

Hope they have sync kills like Dawn of War did with monstrous units.

[Androidpk]

Sync?

[Taernath]

Sync?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRiU2N03Rzs

[Gelston]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gluogeTdqng

Awesome new video, mostly past titles, but the end gives a couple second tease of Warhammer.

[Gelston]

A few screenshots released the other day:

http://www.gameinformer.com/games/total_war_warhammer/b/pc/archive/2015/06/04/total-war-warhammer-shows-off-its-epic-battles.aspx

Hope they have sync kills like Dawn of War did with monstrous units.



They already have kills like that in the current games. They usually set them to occur lower for FPS purposes, though if you go to cinematic mode it is supposed to up them. From what I've read they are going back to the older system where you will have 2 and 3 on one animations, as well as the current 1v1 dueling system. Since Shogun 2 they went to only 1v1 animations, which were fine for Shogun 2, but the Rome 2 and Attila titles, not so much. If it is true they are, though, it should have that sort of stuff vs large units.

[Wrathbringer]

This looks retarded. I'm sure you'll love it.

[Androidpk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKPw86ivR7A

[Astray]

God damn it. This better have a 'Create your Lord' feature.

[Taernath]

God damn it. This better have a 'Create your Lord' feature.

Grimgor Ironhide not enough for ya gits?

Grimgor is love, Grimgor is life.

[Astray]

The other Total Wars were all realistic and historical. This is pure 100% fantasy. I see no harm in allowing us to name our Generals and Heroes Dickbutt.

[Androidpk]

:grunt:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=85&v=x7sBlvrZvd0

[Gelston]

Review embargos are lifted. Game is getting some good reviews all around. Can't wait for tuesday!

[Androidpk]

Review embargos are lifted. Game is getting some good reviews all around. Can't wait for tuesday!

Heard they're also allowing mods. Can't wait to see some 40k conversions :D

[Gelston]

Heard they're also allowing mods. Can't wait to see some 40k conversions :D

Yeah, they announced that in the last month or so. It would have been so weird having a Total War game without mods.

[Androidpk]

I heard it was Gamesworkshop that was against the idea of mods originally.

[Gelston]

I heard it was Gamesworkshop that was against the idea of mods originally.

It definitely was. CA loves mods. They have official mod conventions and stuff.

[Taernath]

GW is like the tabletop version of Simu.

[Gelston]

GW is like the tabletop version of Simu.

Well, except millions upon millions more profitable.

[Androidpk]

Well, except millions upon millions more profitable.

The resin must flow!

[Gelston]

The ingame encyclopedia/manual is released on the web.

http://whenc.totalwar.com/#/

[Gelston]

omg, 7 hours 28 minutes until release! Preloaded and ready!

[Ashlander]

Why am I working tomorrow....

[Gelston]

Why am I working tomorrow....

Three hours and 21 minutes until Warhammer bliss pal. Quit your day job.

[Taernath]

The ingame encyclopedia/manual is released on the web.

http://whenc.totalwar.com/#/

God I hope they don't use the same shitty encyclopedia they did in Attila.

[Gelston]

God I hope they don't use the same shitty encyclopedia they did in Attila.

The Encyclopedia grew on me, to be honest. They building trees and such are laid out a lot better in the game itself though, so you really don't need to see the encyclopedia as much.

[Gelston]

Under an hour to go!

[Gelston]

AGHHHH 4 MINUTES GODDAMN IT

[Gelston]

Bye.

[drauz]

Not buying anything until the Steam Summer Sale

http://i.imgur.com/y5rSMon.gif

[Gelston]

Not buying anything until the Steam Summer Sale

http://i.imgur.com/y5rSMon.gif

This game won't be in it, maybe winter sale. I'm only here because the game has to fucking unpack.

[drauz]

This game won't be in it, maybe winter sale. I'm only here because the game has to fucking unpack.

It very well could be, just not at a huge discount. 10% is likely at least since the sales will start waning by then. Still wouldn't get it until at least 50%. I find it hard to justify 60$ for these half made games.

[drauz]

So these games have base building in them or is it just the strategic battles?

[Gelston]

It very well could be, just not at a huge discount. 10% is likely at least since the sales will start waning by then. Still wouldn't get it until at least 50%. I find it hard to justify 60$ for these half made games.

Attila and Rome 2 were both not in the first Summer sale after launch. Rome 2 was in the end of a year and Attila was in a February. They just don't do it with them. And Total War games are never "half made". They always have hundreds of hours of gameplay in them from launch. May have bugs, but they aren't half made.


So these games have base building in them or is it just the strategic battles?

Both, sorta. There is a turn based campaign map, sorta like Civ games. When two armies meet, it goes to real time battles.

[Wrathbringer]

This game sounds retarded.

[Geijon Khyree]

It's getting 9 and 10 game marks.

[Gelston]

It's getting 9 and 10 game marks.

He's a troll, don't mind him.

[Taernath]

Yeah, it's pretty great. No reason for Bretonnia to not have a SP campaign though.

[Gelston]

Yeah, it's pretty great. No reason for Bretonnia to not have a SP campaign though.

It'll probably be the very next race release for SP, all the units are mostly done.... To the point that you can play as them in Multiplayer. They got the major guys in for each race though.

I've played about 2 hours on all the races so far, and I'm loving the Dwarfs. Withering fire and strong fixing forces? Love it.

[Venrid]

I picked up this game last night and clearly have no idea what I'm doing.

I started out with Dwarf and first made the mistake of going nearly -100 on Public Order. After figuring out that mechanic a little and realizing this isn't Hero's of Might and Magic, I built up one huge army, thinking my flank was safe due to it being way up in the mountains, I easily smashed my way west. Sure enough, BAM giant greenskin army hits me from underground from the east where I thought I was safe. So that's a thing.

About 30 turns in, my main Lord is lvl 12, but I still don't anything better than quarrelers. Greenskins roll in with a hero and lord all lvled up and mow down my best army... I put up a good fight and nearly turned it around with decent positioning and a superior lord before my front line crumbled and the quarrelers got overrun.

Bit of a learning curve so far... but I plan to try out the Empire tonight I think. I'm enjoying the various aspects, and there's so many different builds you can do with the Lords and tech options for your research. As someone who tries to min/max games a lot I can see myself enjoying trying different things going forward.

[Taernath]

Yeah, each race has fairly unique mechanics. Dwarves and Greenskins can move along underground routes to reach inaccessible areas.

Empire has pretty standard Total War stuff. I've got an Empire playthrough at ~100 turns, but I'm still pretty small because no one wants to join a coalition.

[Narthsin]

I've been trying this out too with almost the same experience as Venrid, but didn't ever figure out how to move around underground. I will have to try that again tonight.

[Taernath]

It's a movement stance to the lower right of the general's portrait.

[Gelston]

Dwarves are the easiest army IMO, but I also have been playing Total War games since the first Shogun in 2000, so I have about 16 years of experience on some of ya. Make sure you are upgrading tech as Dwarves, you don't need any buildings to do it so that is a plus. A pretty effective army I've found so far is 6 ranged, 2 arty, and the rest melee (Dwarf warrior/miners). That'll hold off any green skins armies while you learn to play the game a little better. As dwarves, you'll wanna play your battles a bit more defensively, your arty will force the enemy to come to your lines, so you aren't going to be the one charging across the map.

Basic arrangement for a dwarf line is 6 arty infront, melee second line, arty pushed to the rear with room for your ranged to get between it and the melee. I always have my LL in the Melee line. When the enemy gets close to melee with your ranged, you move them behind your melee line. You can also charge your melee guys up at the orcs as you are moving the ranged back if you want. Make sure to always check both flanks because they do try to sneak cavalry around.A lot of the smaller orc armies, you can smash them with 0 loses with that formation, a full stack orc army, you'll take a few, but you'll wreck them heavily.

[Viekn]

Dwarves are the easiest army IMO, but I also have been playing Total War games since the first Shogun in 2000, so I have about 16 years of experience on some of ya. Make sure you are upgrading tech as Dwarves, you don't need any buildings to do it so that is a plus. A pretty effective army I've found so far is 6 ranged, 2 arty, and the rest melee (Dwarf warrior/miners). That'll hold off any green skins armies while you learn to play the game a little better. As dwarves, you'll wanna play your battles a bit more defensively, your arty will force the enemy to come to your lines, so you aren't going to be the one charging across the map.

Basic arrangement for a dwarf line is 6 arty infront, melee second line, arty pushed to the rear with room for your ranged to get between it and the melee. I always have my LL in the Melee line. When the enemy gets close to melee with your ranged, you move them behind your melee line. You can also charge your melee guys up at the orcs as you are moving the ranged back if you want. Make sure to always check both flanks because they do try to sneak cavalry around.A lot of the smaller orc armies, you can smash them with 0 loses with that formation, a full stack orc army, you'll take a few, but you'll wreck them heavily.

I've never done any of this crap, but you're starting to make it sound fun and so help me, if you start me on something else that's going to take up my time, I'm gonna be pissed (but having fun at the same time).

[Gelston]

Haha, yeah it has always been a fun game.

There are many, many YouTube Let's Play videos up. Some better than others, but they can give you a decent idea on how to play. Or you can just trial and error through it. Once you know what is going on it all just clicks and you'll be alright.

[Narthsin]

I've auto-battling a lot of the battles where I had overwhelming forces to theirs just so I could try to get through more turns and get a feel for the macro game more. But those battle tips seem pretty good, I'll have to give them a chance.

When they have ranged guys, do you just rely on your front line to tank the shots or is it worth trying to flank their archers?

[Gelston]

I've auto-battling a lot of the battles where I had overwhelming forces to theirs just so I could try to get through more turns and get a feel for the macro game more. But those battle tips seem pretty good, I'll have to give them a chance.

When they have ranged guys, do you just rely on your front line to tank the shots or is it worth trying to flank their archers?

With anyone else other than Dwarfs, I use cavalry to take out their ranged. Dwarfs don't have much in the way of that, so I just pummel them with my own ranged and arty. Most dwarfen units have a lot of armor compared to other races, so they can take some ranged damage. The way the AI operates, the ranged units will generally be the first in your fire arc for your quarrelers/thunderers so you'll automatically hit them first.

(And yeah, they are called Dwarf, Dwarfs, and Dwarfen in Warhammer... I always forget because I'm used to everything else involving them.)

[Gelston]

Another thing to do, if they still have a bunch of ranged left they are hitting you and your ranged units can't hit them, once your melee line is fighting theirs, move your ranged out both flanks and engage with that. After you take out their ranged, turn them in on the enemy's back and shoot them to death.

And before I forget, you can also test out army builds in the single battle thing vs AI.

[Taernath]

Depends on the units involved. There are some pretty terrible archers that are bad against heavy units, but generally you want to use cavalry to flank archers and artillery. Archers are pretty light, so normal infantry usually can't catch them.

[Gelston]

Get any mods yet, Taernath?

I got:
Unique Legendary Lords Starting Positions- I like all of them to be out there from the start.
Conquer and Occupy anywhere- I like to paint the map
Resized Legendary Lords- Looked dumb with Karl Franz being double the size of other humans
Double Skill Points for all- I want my lords to be super awesome.
No agent actions- Because fuck that agent spam as Dwarfs. That crap causes 56345634 grudges in the book and can wreck your game.

[Taernath]

I haven't installed any yet, but I will probably get the camera fix and the agent actions one if it's as bad as it sounds (and I know it can be bad).

I thought about the conquer anywhere mod but I like not having to worry about more than raids from certain races.

[Wrathbringer]

Hey guys. I see you've excluded me from your group. Why? What if I need to discuss total war?

[Gelston]

Hey guys. I see you've excluded me from your group. Why? What if I need to discuss total war?

I don't think you'd ever post anything worth reading.

Anyone that isn't Wrathbringer, feel free to join the group!

[Wrathbringer]

I don't think you'd ever post anything worth reading.

Anyone that isn't Wrathbringer, feel free to join the group!

Not sure why you think that. I'm a positive contributor to these forums.

[Viekn]

Not sure why you think that. I'm a positive contributor to these forums.

I can't believe I'm saying this, maybe it's the LSD talking...but Wrath has been a fairly positive contributor for at least a couple months now.

[Androidpk]

Sign me up when WH40k Total War is out.

[Gelston]

I can't believe I'm saying this, maybe it's the LSD talking...but Wrath has been a fairly positive contributor for at least a couple months now.

Hmm....


This game sounds retarded.

Nope. He doesn't even have the games so he doesn't really have a reason to be in the group... Except to troll.

[Warriorbird]

I'll pick this up next Monday. I'm excited for my day off.

[Wrathbringer]

Hmm....



Nope. He doesn't even have the games so he doesn't really have a reason to be in the group... Except to troll.

LOL. How about approving me on a probationary basis? If I don't contribute quality posts, you can boot me?

[Gelston]

LOL. How about approving me on a probationary basis? If I don't contribute quality posts, you can boot me?

Way too much effort.

[Wrathbringer]

Way too much effort.

All you have to do is push a button? C'mon, gelston. I'm a fellow devil dog. If I get out of line, you boot me.

[Gelston]

All you have to do is push a button? C'mon, gelston. I'm a fellow devil dog. If I get out of line, you boot me.

Dude, you have no reason to be a member. Why do you want to join so bad?

[Wrathbringer]

Dude, you have no reason to be a member. Why do you want to join so bad?

Why do you want to exclude me so bad? I have positive things to contribute. I've been reading about it.

[Taernath]

http://i.imgur.com/ytdyJpD.jpg

[Astray]

Sick shit. Also, no love for chaos, guys?

[Taernath]

Sick shit. Also, no love for chaos, guys?

Haven't gotten around to their campaign yet.

I finished my Empire playthrough. There's a realm divide/hun invasion thing after a while that united the Bretonnians, Empire, and Dwarves, which was kind of cool.

[Gelston]

Sick shit. Also, no love for chaos, guys?

I never really liked Horde mechanics. Chaos are basically Attila.... they can't settle and they just raze or sack shit.

[Narthsin]

So my amusing day 1 mistake was building barracks in each of my 3 outposts in the same providence as dwarf. Whoops... (really should read the yellow text warning me this was stupid.)

I also didn't have or use a Hero in any way for the first 30+ turns...

Any suggestions on how to get and level up a Hero? Is it best to attach them to an army for a while?


On a better note, I restarted my campaign after the building mistake was realized. My main army was running amok and had take over a few Greenskin outposts and was really beat up. Suddenly their main army pops out of the ground and attacks my lvl 12 Legendary Lord, who's at about 50% efficiency due to being rather beat up.

The little 'battle bar' showed about a 20/80 advantage for the enemy, but screw that. I was not about to lose my best army and Lord! I enter the battle and immediately turn my army and smash the reinforcements of 3 troll contingents that were going to flank my entire army. I manage to take them out with my quarrelers and down the reinforcing Lord in the process all while my artillery pounded the incoming infantry charging across the map at me.

Just in time, I manage to pull my melee into position to engage, and I charge my Lord right into their strongest front line troops, and he starts wrecking them. This is when I realized that I might actually have a chance. I had leveled up his auras so that he increased leadership and damage of my ranged troops by a significant chunk as well. Meanwhile, their orc lord has made it into my infantry line and is giving them a really bad time.

A few minutes in and all of my troops are floating around 15-20% and it's not looking good. However, due to my Lord's auras and battlecry type abilities they aren't fleeing and my front line is still holding, even though they get down to 5-10%... before I manage to route their front liners! It was at this point that I realize I might have a chance to actually win this!

Amusingly, the battle was won with the entire ragtag remains of my army, nearly everyone except for my lord at near critical levels of 'health' charging down nearly full contingents of orc/goblin archers...

It was the closest and most epic battle I've had so far and I was pretty thrilled. The Greenskins have been pretty tame since then, having lost two of their strongest Lords all at once.

[Gelston]

So my amusing day 1 mistake was building barracks in each of my 3 outposts in the same providence as dwarf. Whoops... (really should read the yellow text warning me this was stupid.)

I also didn't have or use a Hero in any way for the first 30+ turns...

Any suggestions on how to get and level up a Hero? Is it best to attach them to an army for a while?


On a better note, I restarted my campaign after the building mistake was realized. My main army was running amok and had take over a few Greenskin outposts and was really beat up. Suddenly their main army pops out of the ground and attacks my lvl 12 Legendary Lord, who's at about 50% efficiency due to being rather beat up.

The little 'battle bar' showed about a 20/80 advantage for the enemy, but screw that. I was not about to lose my best army and Lord! I enter the battle and immediately turn my army and smash the reinforcements of 3 troll contingents that were going to flank my entire army. I manage to take them out with my quarrelers and down the reinforcing Lord in the process all while my artillery pounded the incoming infantry charging across the map at me.

Just in time, I manage to pull my melee into position to engage, and I charge my Lord right into their strongest front line troops, and he starts wrecking them. This is when I realized that I might actually have a chance. I had leveled up his auras so that he increased leadership and damage of my ranged troops by a significant chunk as well. Meanwhile, their orc lord has made it into my infantry line and is giving them a really bad time.

A few minutes in and all of my troops are floating around 15-20% and it's not looking good. However, due to my Lord's auras and battlecry type abilities they aren't fleeing and my front line is still holding, even though they get down to 5-10%... before I manage to route their front liners! It was at this point that I realize I might have a chance to actually win this!

Amusingly, the battle was won with the entire ragtag remains of my army, nearly everyone except for my lord at near critical levels of 'health' charging down nearly full contingents of orc/goblin archers...

It was the closest and most epic battle I've had so far and I was pretty thrilled. The Greenskins have been pretty tame since then, having lost two of their strongest Lords all at once.

Heh yeah. Never build buildings that only go to tier 3 in your main building chain, unless you really need to... (Like you don't own the whole province and you're super best friends with the people that own the rest.)

Levelling up Heros are done by using them. The best, and cheapest way, is to put them in your army. The second best way is to use them a lot in agent actions. Those usually cost 300-400 each. Third way is to deploy them somewhere. Just click the deploy button, they'll have a trickle of XP per turn.

Yeah, sometimes battles can be truly awesome like that. If you can chase them down and destroy the army's completely, you may just be able to run through their entire nation and end them.

[Wrathbringer]

Heh yeah. Never build buildings that only go to tier 3 in your main building chain, unless you really need to... (Like you don't own the whole province and you're super best friends with the people that own the rest.)

Levelling up Heros are done by using them. The best, and cheapest way, is to put them in your army. The second best way is to use them a lot in agent actions. Those usually cost 300-400 each. Third way is to deploy them somewhere. Just click the deploy button, they'll have a trickle of XP per turn.

Yeah, sometimes battles can be truly awesome like that. If you can chase them down and destroy the army's completely, you may just be able to run through their entire nation and end them.

I built a tier 3 bathroom to defend my castle.

[Narthsin]

I built a tier 3 bathroom to defend my castle.

Sorry but everyone already knows you're just that full of shit.

[Androidpk]

I built a tier 3 bathroom to defend my castle.

Dwarf assassins have +5 to bathroom infiltration.

[Wrathbringer]

Dwarf assassins have +5 to bathroom infiltration.

I've got a tier 6 bathroom in my castle to deal with the waste load of my army. Armies poop a lot in this game, especially when engaged in battle. Seems op to me, and not really realistic, dwarves or not.

[Androidpk]

I've got a tier 6 bathroom in my castle to deal with the waste load of my army. Armies poop a lot in this game, especially when engaged in battle. Seems op to me, and not really realistic, dwarves or not.

not even Tywin Lannister was safe in his castle bathroom.

[drauz]

After watching this at a friend house I decided to pick this up. I am very pleasantly surprised with the game. Never played Total War before but I loved WC and Starcraft type games. This is a great mix between starcraft and immersive battles, but at the expense of a story. I can already tell I'm going to get my $60 worth and much more. Glad I refunded Stellaris to pick this up.

[Narthsin]

Was getting bogged down with Dwarves and frustrated. So I started a Greenskin campaign and wow, Whaarghs! sure are powerful when utilized well! Double my army size for free with 0 upkeep costs? Sure!

I feel like Greenskin's style that is forced on you due to "fightiness" has been a really good training mechanic to get me in the mindset of always keeping my army busy, instead of parking it in a town, just to be safe.

It's much more beneficial to have it out raiding the annoying little neighbor at the very least. Also, my goblin "big boss" is quite the assassin now. And having a battle with 5-6 armies was something I had not even realized was possible due to being new to Total War in general. Pretty epic feel to it when you're controlling such huge armies against massive enemy forces that you'd normally be really worried about, and just watching the carnage happen.

Definitely the strategy game I've been looking for for a while.

[Geijon Khyree]

Turn 90 on my empire campaign. Allied with most of the dwarves. The surviving humans are dug in and we're all lind of fending off chaos. All of the orcs around me are dead. Chaos is no joke, razed cities all over the north. Surprisingly the vampires are pretty chill.

I had played total war shogun and 2 so im digging the rp warhammer angle on this.

[Narthsin]

Turn ~70 and have 2 factions subjected as vassals, and a third larger orc faction as a defensive ally.

Only annoying thing I've had happen with them is twice I've been raiding a region only to have them come in and start a siege, ruining my easy income! Times like that make me rethink my alliances a bit...

[Gelston]

I've always been hesitant to make alliances. I pretty much always break them eventually unless I can get them to join confederation.

[Geijon Khyree]

Alliances are highly necassary as a human. You can break them, but eventually the humans dig in pretty good. Avoid the undead, vampires and you gotta really focus the Skaeling razes. I beat the Chaos Triad at turn 134 and I have the North mostly locked down so I think I'm heading to victory.

[Taernath]

BEASTMAN AIDS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds1ZsQAISeM

[Androidpk]

you better goddamn believe it

[Taernath]

Pro-tip: there was an item released today in Dota 2 for people who preordered TW: Warhammer on Steam. It's currently selling for ~$15 on the community market. Sell it quick before the price bottoms out. You need to install Dota 2 and log in once to have it show up.

[Fallen]

Pro-tip: there was an item released today in Dota 2 for people who preordered TW: Warhammer on Steam. It's currently selling for ~$15 on the community market. Sell it quick before the price bottoms out. You need to install Dota 2 and log in once to have it show up.

Whatsit do?

[Taernath]

Whatsit do?

http://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/570/Genuine%20Pre-Purchase%20Warhammer%3A%20Treasure%20of%20the%20Ol d%20World

Box that contains a random skin which is slightly different than those being sold on their website.

[Gelston]

Whatsit do?

It turns into 15 steam dollars.

[Wrathbringer]

What a stupid name for a game.

[Gelston]

What a stupid name for a game.

Your mom had sex with a dog and then you were born.

[Wrathbringer]

My mom had sex with a dog and a monkey and then I was born (see my avatar? That's me!).

Oooookaaay...

[Gelston]

I had sex with my mom and she had puppies.

Weirdo.

[Wrathbringer]

I masterbate to my avatar.

Ugh, just stop. So you masterbate to yourself?

[Gelston]

I masturbate to your avatar.

Gross man.

[Makkah]

Been enjoying this game. Beastman are lots of fun.

I look forward to Chaos Dwarfs and Ogres.

[Taernath]

Hood Elves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoiks2rQa9o

[Geijon Khyree]

New Wood Elves DLC yo.

[Gelston]

Yeah, watch a few Let's Plays of them the other day. I actually went back and played Attila again. I mean, Warhammer is friggin incredible... I just like the historical settings better.

In other news, CA is working on their next historical title, saying it is going to be an era they've never done before. I'm thinking it'll probably be 1880s-1940s.

[Androidpk]

I'm thinking it'll probably be 1880s-1940s.

I'm thinking 40k

[Gelston]

I'm thinking 40k

No, the other team is historical titles only. It might be Victorian times, but Fall of the Samurai hits that period a little. Still, that was only an expansion, so they may not count it... and it only covers a small portion of the time.

[Androidpk]

No, the other team is historical titles only. It might be Victorian times, but Fall of the Samurai hits that period a little. Still, that was only an expansion, so they may not count it... and it only covers a small portion of the time.

Woosh!

[Gelston]

Woosh!

Uhhh.. Yeah, you'll need to explain that one then... Either that or you're just saying woosh for wtf ever reason now.

[Androidpk]

I just felt like wooshing.

[Taernath]

I beat the final Wood Elf battle of the campaign, and I gotta say, despite all the bonuses you (can) get for ranged combat and people saying the army is built for sneaky-peeky skirmishing, you really don't want to bring a lot of archers. You're fighting a horde of Beastman AIDS and you will probably run out of ammo after the first wave. Eternal Guard are really good for holding the line, so bring a lot of those, a Life caster for healing, some treekin heavies, and a couple tree men (I don't think there are army limits for them). Cav I'm not too keen on for this battle because you won't ever own the board and be able to maneuver a lot. Oh, and a forest dragon to fly over the Beastmen lines and shut down their archers.


This is a pretty good video but not about that particular battle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo4245sLUkk

[Gelston]

I beat the final Wood Elf battle of the campaign, and I gotta say, despite all the bonuses you (can) get for ranged combat and people saying the army is built for sneaky-peeky skirmishing, you really don't want to bring a lot of archers. You're fighting a horde of Beastman AIDS and you will probably run out of ammo after the first wave. Eternal Guard are really good for holding the line, so bring a lot of those, a Life caster for healing, some treekin heavies, and a couple tree men (I don't think there are army limits for them). Cav I'm not too keen on for this battle because you won't ever own the board and be able to maneuver a lot. Oh, and a forest dragon to fly over the Beastmen lines and shut down their archers.


This is a pretty good video but not about that particular battle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo4245sLUkk

I was hoping they'd be like Hunnic hordes where you can just micro an army to death with quick arrow people and next to no melee. :(

You can kinda do that with Empire though.

[Androidpk]

This takes place in pre-age of Sigmar?

[Taernath]

I was hoping they'd be like Hunnic hordes where you can just micro an army to death with quick arrow people and next to no melee. :(

You can kinda do that with Empire though.

You can. I think that's how they're supposed to be played, it's just that they're not really suited to wave-defense battles, which is what the final battle is.


This takes place in pre-age of Sigmar?

You keep that heretical Nühammer shit out of this thread.

[Gelston]

Yeah this is before/during end times.

[Geijon Khyree]

Age of Sigmar looks horrible because of how it treats the human faction. This DLC seems hard initially, the base game did too at times with Chaos, but never controlling the map and income problems with tech and army builds with the amber is tricky then your allies start betraying you and the beastmen transformation is random.

[Gelston]

Age of Sigmar looks horrible because of how it treats the human faction. This DLC seems hard initially, the base game did too at times with Chaos, but never controlling the map and income problems with tech and army builds with the amber is tricky then your allies start betraying you and the beastmen transformation is random.

Heh, well Chaos is supposed to be hard! Hordes just aren't easy. Beastmen can be a bitch too.

[Androidpk]

Is the ogre faction available?

[Gelston]

Is the ogre faction available?

Not yet. Right now it is Warrior of Chaos, Empire, Dwarfs, Orks (Savage too), Vampire Counts, Beastmen, and Wood Elfs. You can sorta play Bretonnia with mods, they have unique units. They plan to have 16 races total by the time they are done with the two expansions coming for it... Right now the map is only the old world.

[Taernath]

Supposedly TW:W will be set up like the Dawn of War games were, with standalone expansions released that can be bolted together so every race is playable. Bretonnia is coming out in February and they've been dancing around with Skaven.

[Gelston]

Yeah, and each expansion will have a different map.... So you could conquer everything as one of the races if you have all three expansions.

[Wrathbringer]

Yeah, and each expansion will have a different map.... So you could conquer everything as one of the races if you have all three expansions.

I don't think my armies have enough expansions. I need maps to mark all the places that I've already had my army take their shits. It's a lot to deal with, honestly.

[Gelston]

I don't think my armies have enough expansions. I need maps to mark all the places that I've already had my army take their shits. It's a lot to deal with, honestly.

As Orks you can leave towers of shit when you sack a settlement.

[Androidpk]

Didn't GW remove the Bretonnia faction?

[Gelston]

Didn't GW remove the Bretonnia faction?

Not from this game, no. Maybe from Sigmar or some shit... I don't follow the tabletop.

[Taernath]

Bretonnia are in the game but non-playable and with a super generic army list. You can play them in MP though, but again, super generic army list.

I think they were removed from tabletop a few years ago (before Nühammer).

[Gelston]

Bretonnia are in the game but non-playable and with a super generic army list. You can play them in MP though, but again, super generic army list.

I think they were removed from tabletop a few years ago (before Nühammer).

There are some sweet mods that unlock them in campaign. They do have about 8 unique units, they aren't generic at all!

[Androidpk]

Bretonnia are in the game but non-playable and with a super generic army list. You can play them in MP though, but again, super generic army list.

I think they were removed from tabletop a few years ago (before Nühammer).

Please tell me it's not actually called Nühammer

[Taernath]

There are some sweet mods that unlock them in campaign. They do have about 8 unique units from the Empire, they aren't generic.

Unless you're talking about units the mod added they are super generic. Most of their army slots have literally 1 choice and they are standard stuff like 'archers' and 'spearmen'. Their one caster doesn't have access to schools. If it weren't for the pegasus knights (which are kind of cool) and the caster they would be like a regular real world army.

[Gelston]

Unless you're talking about units the mod added they are super generic. Most of their army slots have literally 1 choice and they are standard stuff like 'archers' and 'spearmen'. Their one caster doesn't have access to schools. If it weren't for the pegasus knights (which are kind of cool) and the caster they would be like a regular real world army.

Oh, hah. Hell, everyone is generic going by that standard! They are unique compared to Kislev and the Border Princes.

[Taernath]

Oh, hah. Hell, everyone is generic going by that standard! They are unique compared to Kislev and the Border Princes.

What? Bruh... The Empire get 47 troop choices, Bretonnia gets 13.

For infantry
Empire has: spears, spears w/ shields, swords w/ shields, unbreakable light infantry, halberds, greatswords, two 'regiments of renown'.
Bretonnia has: spears w/ shields, halberds

archers
Empire: hybrid close quarters, crossbows, armor-piercing riflemen, two 'regiments of renown'
Bretonnia: archers

artillery
Empire: mortar, cannon, slightly smaller cannon, rocket batteries, magic chariot, steam tank, three 'regiments of renown'
Bretonnia: trebuchet

Bretonnia are supposed to be really good with cav, but their best cav is pretty evenly matched with their Empire and Chaos equivalents.

[Gelston]

What? Bruh... The Empire get 47 troop choices, Bretonnia gets 13.

For infantry
Empire has: spears, spears w/ shields, swords w/ shields, unbreakable light infantry, halberds, greatswords, two 'regiments of renown'.
Bretonnia has: spears w/ shields, halberds

archers
Empire: hybrid close quarters, crossbows, armor-piercing riflemen, two 'regiments of renown'
Bretonnia: archers

artillery
Empire: mortar, cannon, slightly smaller cannon, rocket batteries, magic chariot, steam tank, three 'regiments of renown'
Bretonnia: trebuchet

Bretonnia are supposed to be really good with cav, but their best cav is only the tiniest bit better than its Empire counterpart, and they are evenly matched with the Chaos equivalent.

They are lacking in units, yes, but they have substantially different units from the actual generic factions, such as Kislev and the Border Princes, which are just clones of the empire. I think we're applying the term generic in different ways here.

Be that as it may, Bretonnia isn't supposed to have many foot soldiers, and we probably won't see any more than the three you currently see when they are released. They have 5 cavalry units though, which is pretty damn good.

But yeah, they have 9 unique units. Beastman have 22 total units. Bretonnia is doing pretty damn good for a faction that isn't even officially released yet. A lot better than BPs and Kislev. Especially Kislev.

[Taernath]

They are lacking in units, yes, but they have substantially different units from the actual generic factions, such as Kislev and the Border Princes, which are just clones of the empire. I think we're applying the term generic in different ways here.

Be that as it may, Bretonnia isn't supposed to have many foot soldiers, and we probably won't see any more than the three you currently see when they are released. They have 5 cavalry units though, which is pretty damn good.

But yeah, they have 9 unique units. Beastman have 22 total units. Bretonnia is doing pretty damn good for a faction that isn't even officially released yet. A lot better than BPs and Kislev. Especially Kislev.

Calling a bow archer unit a 'Bretonnian archer' doesn't make it unique from other bow archer units. They fulfill the same role and function in more or less the same way. The generic factions (some of which you can play as without mods) may be Empire clones, but there are many more ways to play them than there are Bretonnia.

[Wrathbringer]

are you guys currently competing for nerdiest post of the day?

[Gelston]

Calling a bow archer unit a 'Bretonnian archer' doesn't make it unique from other bow archer units. They fulfill the same role and function in more or less the same way. The generic factions (some of which you can play as without mods) may be Empire clones, but there are many more ways to play them than there are Bretonnia.

Bretonnia is only meant to be played one way, this is where you're missing the point. Their infantry only exists to be bitches.

[Androidpk]

http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/05/Nerds-fighting-gif.gif?gs=a

[Taernath]

Bretonnia is only meant to be played one way, this is where you're missing the point. Their infantry only exists to be bitches.

That is my point! That's been my point the entire time. They are played -one- way, with extremely limited troop choices. Hence, 'generic'.

[Geijon Khyree]

I thought in January brittonia was getting a full dlc lord pack to make them playable normally.

[Geijon Khyree]

Beat the Elves DLC. I liked this campaign map. It was far better than the beastmen one.

[Taernath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60WQUG3XW3M

http://i.imgur.com/MGZZpBY.png

[Gelston]

Free Legendary Lord Isabella Von Castein coming up on the 28th too, because we won the Make War Not Love contest.

[Taernath]

Free Legendary Lord Isabella Von Castein coming up on the 28th too, because we won the Make War Not Love contest.

I completely missed the event this year. What were the other games supposed to get?

[Gelston]

I completely missed the event this year. What were the other games supposed to get?

Jack shit because they are all losers. From the beginning CA said "We got this" because WHTW is played by a lot more people than the other three games.

But... I got... 2 Sega Master system games on steam, 3 Blood and Gore DLCs for Rome 2, Atilla, and Shogun 2 and a skin for some other game. And then of course Isabella.

Oh, a Company of Heroes 2 DLC also.

[Kalishar]

Jack shit because they are all losers. From the beginning CA said "We got this" because WHTW is played by a lot more people than the other three games.

But... I got... 2 Sega Master system games on steam, 3 Blood and Gore DLCs for Rome 2, Atilla, and Shogun 2 and a skin for some other game. And then of course Isabella.

Oh, a Company of Heroes 2 DLC also.

I picked CoH, don't know what the big prizes were but I got the 2 Sega Master System games, and the dlc stuff that you got for Rome 2, Atilla, and Shogun 2. All of which I don't own lol

[Gelston]

I picked CoH, don't know what the big prizes were but I got the 2 Sega Master System games, and the dlc stuff that you got for Rome 2, Atilla, and Shogun 2. All of which I don't own lol

Oh, must be the last prize is what you can win then. I imagine whatever CoH would have won will be coming out as a paid later then. I doubt they are going to just go ahead and delete whatever work they did.... Unless Warhammer was the only thing that was ever going to win.

[Taernath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlxrhB4DvEE

Looks bretty gud, new campaign mechanics and vastly expanded unit list.

[Taernath]

Warhammer 2 being announced this week, pretty much certain to be in Lustria.

Lizardmen (guaranteed), Skaven (probably), High / Dark Elves (possibly), along with some already introduced factions like Undead and Norsca/Chaos.

[Astray]

I can't wait to pay for MOAR DLC.

[Taernath]

I can't wait to pay for MOAR DLC.

That's the spirit!

[Gelston]

It's also expected that Naval Battles will be added back in.

[Taernath]

It's also expected that Naval Battles will be added back in.

Last I heard, another company has rights to Warhammer Naval Battles so CA won't be able to use them.

[Gelston]

Last I heard, another company has rights to Warhammer Naval Battles so CA won't be able to use them.

.... no. That is a dumb rumor by dumb people. They didn't do it in the first one because they'd be pointless. Second one will be required. The assets exist already in the game files.

[Taernath]

The assets exist already in the game files.

Are you referring to the 'naval_ambush' maps that were flashed in a recent video? Here's a response from a CA designer:


Those tables have been in since release, you can open them in the Assembly Kit right now if you want.

They're also the same battle types listed since Rome 2, most of which are no longer used. There's no reason for us to delete data like that as it does no harm just sitting there.

[Gelston]

Are you referring to the 'naval_ambush' maps that were flashed in a recent video? Here's a response from a CA designer:

No, I'm referring the the files that have names like D_elf_carrack and such.

They also said prior to TW:W launch that they didn't plan on Naval Battles for the first game. They specifically said first game and not all of them.

[Gelston]

https://us.v-cdn.net/5022456/uploads/editor/53/2s1301kxtuq3.png

There is some Empire. Dwarfen, Norsca, and other assets.

[Gelston]

You could say that they are going to make them autoresolve only, but.... They have units on the ships.

[Gelston]

And note here

http://whenc.totalwar.com/#/manual/page/single-player/6001a_tw_game_guide_wh_battle_gameplay_advanced_co ntrols

scroll down to Locked Formation Groups... It says Units or ships. That is a battle map only feature.

[Androidpk]

Don't care, want Total War WH40k

[Gelston]

Don't care, want Total War WH40k

Then move past this topic.

[Androidpk]

Then move past this topic.

Your feedback has been noted. Have a nice day.

[Astray]

Don't care, want Total War WH40k

God, I'm sorely disappointed in the MMO they tried to make.

[Androidpk]

God, I'm sorely disappointed in the MMO they tried to make.

ditto

[Taernath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXxe897bW-A

Elves and leezords confirmed

[Gelston]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXxe897bW-A&feature=push-u&attr_tag=-E3f6otTh14PHrQs-6

Elves and leezords confirmed

ESTALIA THOUGH?

ps your video doesn't work.

[Androidpk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXxe897bW-A

Elves and leezords confirmed

What about Ogres??

[Gelston]

Saw Dark Elves, High Elves, Lizardmen, and a hint at Skaven. Estalia will probably be preorder FreeLC.

[Gelston]

What about Ogres??

Ogres will be in 3, wrong part of the globe.

[Androidpk]

Is the end of that video supposed to be hinting towards Skaven?

[Gelston]

Is the end of that video supposed to be hinting towards Skaven?

Yeah, which will fit in perfectly for both games actually. There are already "events" in the current game that are due to Skaven... The event where you have citizens mysteriously disappear? It'd be a great race that would span both maps from the start.

[Androidpk]

"As far as naval battles are concerned, it will only happen in the game as an autoresolve feature, so you can’t control your forces while they’re fighting at sea."

Lame

[Taernath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PtX_tJdBU4

[Makkah]

So sad I have to wait until game 3 for Ogres, Chaos Dwarves and maybe Tomb Kings. Although a lot of people think TK will be in part 2 DLC with all the talk of the Southlands being in...

[NSA]

So sad I have to wait until game 3 for Ogres, Chaos Dwarves and maybe Tomb Kings. Although a lot of people think TK will be in part 2 DLC with all the talk of the Southlands being in...

I don't think they will be. That'd leave hardly any races left for game 3 to have as major factions.

[Taernath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB6FaGBz0Lo

[Gelston]

I just want a Skaven trailer. I can't wait to see how the underworld works. JOKES ON US THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE SKAVEN A HORDE.

[Taernath]

I just want a Skaven trailer. I can't wait to see how the underworld works. JOKES ON US THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE SKAVEN A HORDE.

HORDE + WORLDROOT/BEASTPATH MOVEMENT = SKAVEN, DEAL W/ IT NERD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3CmxjTFv_Y

[Makkah]

Ha. Yea, I have a feeling Underworld will work just as a movement mechanic, much like Beastpaths. Prob a way to ambush in another map.

I liked the DElf reveal, but I, too, just look forward to Skaven (and TKs and Ogres and CDwarfs)

[Androidpk]

Wake me when Total War: Warhammer 40k is out.

[Gelston]

Wake me when Total War: Warhammer 40k is out.

Guess you're going to be in a coma for ever then.

[Androidpk]

Guess you're going to be in a coma for ever then.

You said Dawn of War 3 was never going to happen too.

[Gelston]

You said Dawn of War 3 was never going to happen too.

When? I'm pretty sure that was Taernath.

Dawn of War is under Sega. Total War is under Sega. They both consist of RTS battles. RTS battles that are played online. They'd be competing against each other. A 40k Total War is not going to happen.

[Taernath]

When? I'm pretty sure that was Taernath.

No, after DoW3 came out I said I wished it didn't happen.

[Gelston]

No, after DoW3 came out I said I wished it didn't happen.

I mean years ago. I don't recall ever saying there wasn't going to be a DoW3 though. I remember often times posting every shred of evidence that it was being developed, including my suspicion that it would be coming soon after CoH2 was released.

[Androidpk]

I mean years ago. I don't recall ever saying there wasn't going to be a DoW3 though. I remember often times posting every shred of evidence that it was being developed, including my suspicion that it would be coming soon after CoH2 was released.

Oh I remember. This was around the time Sega picked up rights to it.

[Taernath]

Oh I remember. This was around the time Sega picked up rights to it.

If anyone doubted DoW3 would be released it was because THQ went under and the rights were up in the air for a while.

[Androidpk]

If anyone doubted DoW3 would be released it was because THQ went under and the rights were up in the air for a while.

Not believing in the Emperor is grounds for immediate termination.

[Gelston]

Not believing in the Emperor is grounds for immediate termination.

The Necrons don't care about your so-called "emperor".

[Androidpk]

That's cause Necrons don't give a fuuuuuck

http://memestatic.fjcdn.com/pictures/Small_56403b_6182298.jpg

[Taernath]

immediate termination

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/49/1481024355-shd-weapon-gif-2.gif

[Gelston]

Fuckin Norsca. GIVE ME SKAVEN


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbrbDa9EBR0

They'll be playable 10 August in Game 1. Free if you preorder WH2

[Gelston]

Something of note, you can play as Throgg.

THROGG

Trolls are widely known not just for their physical power, but also their striking lack of intelligence. It is this that sets Throgg apart from the rest of his kind, for he is gifted with a rare intelligence for his grotesque kind. Behind his snaggle-toothed visage lies a ruthless cunning that Throgg employs to bring the bitter chill of the north to the lands of man.

Throgg is a powerful leader and melee fighter with unique skills, quest-chains and legendary items. As the King of the Trolls, Throgg brings reduced upkeep to Troll and Ice Troll units, and units in Throgg’s army are immune to all forms of attrition. He also grants a Physical Resistance buff to all Troll and Ice Troll units factionwide.

If Throgg captures the settlement of Eringrad in Troll Country, he may build a unique building there – the Cave of the Rocky Throne – which grants buffs to Troll units factionwide. Throgg also has a uniquely Trollish magic missile attack called Copious Vomit

[Taernath]

Fuckin Norsca. GIVE ME SKAVEN

They'll be playable 10 August in Game 1. Free if you preorder WH2

I guess they'll be the guys up in those Norscan settlements. I wonder how they'll interact with Chaos, pretty sure I wound up having to wipe them out after a few of them declared war on me. Word on the street is Dogs of War roster/faction is go.


Something of note, you can play as Throgg.


Time to bop the shit out of the Dwarves. I hope those northern dwarves get an expansion of some kind, they always die out almost immediately due to Norsca/Chaos.

In any case my resistance to preordering has been overcome.

[Gelston]

Norsca will stop being chariot spam at least. I kinda wanted Kislev more, bear units!

[Taernath]

TOMORROW


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8ws-_r-zIk

[Taernath]

About to finish my first playthrough. The map-wide Nurgle/plague ability is nowhere near as cool as it sounds. The tooltip makes it sound like everyone but you will be suffering attrition, but no, it just ENABLES normal chaos attrition slightly further away AND it's random where it hits. If you're playing normally by raising shrines, you'll have chaos attrition following you already.

I'll do a Khorne/wolf playthrough next, maybe.

[Gelston]

https://cdn.creative-assembly.com/total-war/com.totalwar.www/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/14171221/vortex_map_w_factions_final_fulres.jpg

Campaign map for the next game is out.

[Taernath]

Is that official? Why is Africa on there? I thought the Tomb Kings were all over the northern part.

[Gelston]

Is that official? Why is Africa on there? I thought the Tomb Kings were all over the northern part.

It is official, from their website. It has Tomb Kings on there. Probably just not playable.

https://www.totalwar.com/blog/eye-vortex-campaign-map/

[Taernath]

https://i.redd.it/zbmn1j6p2wfz.jpg

[Makkah]

Tomb Kings actually aren't on there. Their area is, but it's taken up by what people think are "placeholder" factions, and they'll add TKs with the first DLC. Same with Araby.

I'm really irritated how they made Ulthaen SO FUCKING BIG. In actual lore, it's prob half the size. I guess they had to take liberties to make it playable. I hope with the combined campaign, they'll remap everything to make it all fit in one grand scheme.

[Gelston]

Tomb Kings actually aren't on there. Their area is, but it's taken up by what people think are "placeholder" factions, and they'll add TKs with the first DLC. Same with Araby.

I'm really irritated how they made Ulthaen SO FUCKING BIG. In actual lore, it's prob half the size. I guess they had to take liberties to make it playable. I hope with the combined campaign, they'll remap everything to make it all fit in one grand scheme.

Well yeah, the aren't fully playable, but they are there. They'll be released with an expansion that'll flesh them out further.

[Makkah]

Nope. Strygos and Necrarch = vampires and Thegans and Knights of Origo = Bretonnia.

No TKs there yet. Like I said, placeholders. The regions are there, though...

[Gelston]

Nope. Strygos and Necrarch = vampires and Thegans and Knights of Origo = Bretonnia.

No TKs there yet. Like I said, placeholders. The regions are there, though...

Oh, my bad. This must be before the Strigoi Empire fell and they all became Ghoul Kings.

[Taernath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8EQ1KNkpmw

[Gelston]

the coolest thing that could ever happen in Warhammer is for 40k Necrons to wake up on the planet.

[Gelston]

https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20819421_1582898468452014_8750912853869845879_o.jp g?oh=1232a0615562fceb589a8f9068f5aa1a&oe=5A315025

Updated with Skaven.

[Makkah]

I'm digging the ancient ruins concept with the Skaven; they seem pretty damn unique.

[Taernath]

I'm digging the ancient ruins concept with the Skaven; they seem pretty damn unique.

They sound like a supremely annoying faction to fight against, what with the invisible cities, corruption, summonable clanrats, and that +25% chance ambush movement mode.

[Makkah]

They sound like a supremely annoying faction to fight against, what with the invisible cities, corruption, summonable clanrats, and that +25% chance ambush movement mode.

Ha. So they sound just like Skaven? I've always kinda liked Skaven, but it's really not a faction I'm super looking forward to. Those would be TKs and Chaos Dwarfs and Ogres.

I really wonder what they're going to do with TKs. I bet it'll be something with the ruins also.

[Makkah]

https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/6upkg4/warhammer_2s_campaign_from_pcgamesn_black_pyramid/

That's pretty fun :)

[Gelston]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF-Tdsdd6MU

[Taernath]

There's an issue with a hang after the intro splash screen when using displayport.

[Taernath]

Reposting some info re: intro hang


https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/202156/black-screen-on-boot-try-these-steps-while-we-work-on-a-fix

Hi everyone,

We're aware of the issues with the black screen on boot up, and are hard at work trying to resolve it.

In the meantime please use the following steps to help work around this issue:


1) Try lowering your monitors refresh rate

Lowering your refresh rate through Windows 10

• Right-click on your desktop and select ‘Display Settings’
• Scroll to the bottom of the page and click ‘Display adapter properties’
• Select the ‘Monitor’ tab, from there you can lower your Screen refresh rate.


Lowering your refresh rate through the Nvidia Control Panel.

• Right-click on your desktop and select ‘Nvidia Control Panel’
• Under the display section on the left side of the window select ‘Change resolution’
• From here you can lower the Screen refresh rate.


2) If you have multiple monitors connected try changing your primary monitor

• Right-click on your desktop and select ‘Display Settings’
• At the top of the recently opened window you will notice multiple monitors displayed. Select your secondary monitor.
• Scroll to the bottom and check the tick box ‘Make this my main display’



3) Changing display cables in your monitor – example HDMI, DVI, DP etc..



4) Making sure your Graphics drivers are up to date.

• http://www.nvidia.co.uk/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-uk
• http://support.amd.com/en-us/download


5) Turning off any monitor overclocking – We understand you have a wide range of monitors, please go to the manufacturers website and following any instructions they provide to achieve this.

None of this works for my main monitor, but I can run it fine on my secondary.

[Gelston]

BTW, I got my new computer and got this game and run everything on max settings. Flawless. Love it. I've already played one campaign as the High Elves and was really just a dick to everyone and conquered everything with Tyrion.

Tyrion is so fucking OP. He can tank an entire stack by himself.

[Taernath]

I'm in the middle of a Lizardman campaign, I think on the 4th ritual. I led a few exterminatus in southern Lustria to try and eliminate the Skaven/Undead presence but gave up because my AI allies were retarded and it was taking too long. Enemy AI knows exactly where your armies are at all times and constantly hits you as soon as you move anyway. Pretty annoying.

[Gelston]

I'm in the middle of a Lizardman campaign, I think on the 4th ritual. I led a few exterminatus in southern Lustria to try and eliminate the Skaven/Undead presence but gave up because my AI allies were retarded and it was taking too long. Enemy AI knows exactly where your armies are at all times and constantly hits you as soon as you move anyway. Pretty annoying.

I've played all of the races for a little "try out". The Lizards are fun. I can't wait until they release the world campaign. I want to watch dinosaurs eat Imperials.

[Taernath]

I've played all of the races for a little "try out". The Lizards are fun. I can't wait until they release the world campaign. I want to watch dinosaurs eat Imperials.

There's a minor Imperial faction right next to the Hexoatl/Mazdamundi. They were great allies who watched my southern border, but I had to kill them when they started declaring war on my other Lizardmen allies. But yeah, the world campaign is going to be pretty great.

[Gelston]

There's a minor Imperial faction right next to the Hexoatl/Mazdamundi. They were great allies who watched my southern border, but I had to kill them when they started declaring war on my other Lizardmen allies. But yeah, the world campaign is going to be pretty great.

I don't really ever expect to finish it, to be honest. Back when I was younger and had more time to fuck around, but even the size of this map is a bit more than I care to do. Thank CA for the vortex part.

[Taernath]

8837

alt-f4

[Gelston]

8837

alt-f4

Easy battle, why alt f4?

[Taernath]

Easy battle, why alt f4?

Because it would take a half hour just to find them in the woods, and half my troops were ranged.

[Taernath]

Mortal Empires came out today. Kind of wish there were some achievements for it, but at least the freeze has been fixed.

[Gelston]

Mortal Empires came out today. Kind of wish there were some achievements for it, but at least the freeze has been fixed.

The endless tides of green are already making their mark across the New World.

[Gelston]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/862863290088633171/9D51956FAE1544D0EDB64D6EE3E86ED44764B20F/

Kholek Suneater taking down an entire army by himself.

[Androidpk]

Creative Assembly on Total War 40K: "We'd love to do it"

[Gelston]

Creative Assembly on Total War 40K: "We'd love to do it"

But they aren't, because another Sega owned shop does it.

[Androidpk]

But they aren't

Wrong

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/swih.gif

[Taernath]

DoW/CoH gameplay makes more sense for 40k because 40k is mostly about squad-based tactics. CA might love to do it, but they'd be the wrong studio.

[Androidpk]

because 40k is mostly about squad-based tactics

If you're talking tabletop then sure, maybe. Otherwise no.

[Taernath]

If you're talking tabletop then sure, maybe. Otherwise no.

What non-tabletop version of 40k are you referring to?

[Androidpk]

What non-tabletop version of 40k are you referring to?

The books!

[Taernath]

https://i.imgflip.com/1z36f3.jpg

[Androidpk]

The books have massive battles. Titans, baneblades and knights oh my.

[Taernath]

The books have massive battles. Titans, baneblades and knights oh my.

Books aren't constrained by developers or engines. My Garviel/Lucius slashfic won't be made, either.

[Gelston]

Wrong

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/swih.gif

Oh really? Show me where CA is developing WH40k. They aren't. They are developing DLC for WH2 and then on the WH3. The other CA team does historical. CA is never making a WH40k.

[Androidpk]

CA is never making a WH40k.

Says you.

[Gelston]

Says you.

Says a lot of people. Have you ever visited the CA forums?

[Androidpk]

Until CA says so it doesn't matter what some forum fanbois say.

[Gelston]

Until CA says so it doesn't matter what some forum fanbois say.

Yeah, it doesn't matter what you say.

[Androidpk]

Okay. I'll be laughing at you when they announce TW WH40k.

[Gelston]

Okay. I'll be laughing at you when they announce TW WH40k.

I'd love for them to. They won't though.

[Makkah]

Intel leaked an image of TWW TKs the other day. Just art, still hype tho:

https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/209979/tomb-kings-art-leaked-by-intel-promotion


Link to a link, sry.

[Gelston]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpWqKme-g_4

[Wrathbringer]

looks retarded

[Gelston]

looks retarded

I will always remember how much you whined and cried about not being allowed into the Warhammer group.

[Wrathbringer]

I will always remember how much you whined and cried about not being allowed into the Warhammer group.

Me too.

[Makkah]

Looks fucking great. Their mechanics look really cool too:

https://www.totalwar.com/blog/tomb-kings-announcement

[Gelston]

Looks fucking great. Their mechanics look really cool too:

https://www.totalwar.com/blog/tomb-kings-announcement

I like that they don't care about that fucking vortex.