7x and max lightened augmented chain

[Tgo01]

Woot! Got my augmented chain.

Still in the market for some max lightened 7x double leather and full leather.

[Tgo01]

Sell me this!

[tohrment]

I got some 7x max light normal chain with a t1 ensorcell and a nice show

[Tgo01]

I got some 7x max light normal chain with a t1 ensorcell and a nice show

Thanks for the offer but I need augmented chain :(

[Jarvan]

or add armor accessories

[Tgo01]

or add armor accessories

Wouldn't I need 7x arm greaves, 7x leg greaves, and a 7x aventail then? Or does the DS only go by what the body armor is, regardless of where hit?

[Roblar]

Armor accessories enchant means nada.

Torso armor enchant determines DS.

[Tgo01]

Armor accessories enchant means nada.

Torso armor enchant determines DS.

Hmm, interesting, never knew that. So I can just slap on 0x arm greaves, leg greaves, and an aventail and turn a 7x chain into 7x augmented chain? There has to be some downside to this.

[tyrant-201]

Hmm, interesting, never knew that. So I can just slap on 0x arm greaves, leg greaves, and an aventail and turn a 7x chain into 7x augmented chain? There has to be some downside to this.

There is none - except possibly more weight. And to my understanding, if the original piece has crit padding, and you add accessories - they also have it.

Could be wrong about that tidbit though.

[Tgo01]

There is none - except possibly more weight. And to my understanding, if the original piece has crit padding, and you add accessories - they also have it.

Could be wrong about that tidbit though.

Just seems so odd. I've seen people struggle to sell really awesome half plate because warriors want full plate or nothing but if they could just put on a helm and have a really nice set of full plate why not go for it? :/

Base half plate is also 25 pounds lighter than base full plate so actually the combined weight with a helm should be lower.

Just seems odd to me but hey, I'm not complaining if this is the way it works :D

I'm actually thinking of putting my bard in plate the more I think about it, half plate though, full plate is a bit much to deal with. So what's generally cheaper to get; metal breastplate or half plate?

[kcostell]

Weight works strangely with body armor.

The effective weight of standard (unlightened, not particularly heavy material) body armor is 0 while it's worn, regardless of ASG.

Lightening makes it effectively negative weight, of an amount proportional to the original armor's base weight. Accessories increase weight. So a fully lightened full plate is much less weight for encumbrance purposes than a max light half plate plus helm.

[Roblar]

Wearing the full coverage is still more advantageous in giving you the higher CvA. Also:


When a type of armor in a class doesn't cover a body part, the part counts as being covered by one class less when determining the critical rank of a strike. For example, when striking someone wearing torso plate, or metal breastplate, the weapon uses the damage factor of striking someone in plate, no matter where the strike lands. However, when striking an uncovered portion, the amount of raw damage required per critical rank is only 9 damage, instead of the 11 damage which is standard for plate armor (these numbers are called critical divisors). Therefore, a strike of 18 raw damage using a longsword (a +203 to +208 endroll) to an arm is a level 2 crit (+7 extra damage, for a total of 25 damage), but if the same strike were to hit the chest, it'd only be a level 1 crit (+1 extra damage, for a total of 19 damage).

https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Armor

[Tgo01]

Weight works strangely with body armor.

The effective weight of standard (unlightened, not particularly heavy material) body armor is 0 while it's worn, regardless of ASG.

Lightening makes it effectively negative weight, of an amount proportional to the original armor's base weight. Accessories increase weight. So a fully lightened full plate is much less weight for encumbrance purposes than a max light half plate plus helm.

That's kind of confusing.

So if base weight of full plate is 75 pounds and you lighten it to 35 pounds does that give you negative 40 pounds? Or is it a percentage of the original weight so full plate doesn't actually end up giving you less encumbrance than double leather? Or does max lightened full plate actually give you less total encumbrance than max lightened double leather?

[Tgo01]

Wearing the full coverage is still more advantageous in giving you the higher CvA. Also:



https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Armor

Ah I see. So I suppose you also lose out on the AvD too? Although DS isn't usually a huge issue. The main thing I'm concerned with at the moment is TD so accessories is out then.

I always thought that bit about a body part not being covered just meant like if you wear half plate and no accessories then your head counts as if it's in chain, but even if you wear a helm your head is still counted as if it's in chain?

[Jarvan]

You are looking at a 2 td difference between chain and augmented.

Also... the benefit of Chain is leather armor accessories. Get them ranger resists, and help with those spells that do get through. Granted, I believe it's only half value.. but what.. 48% is still better then nothing.

or, look for a good set of enhancive accessories.

Also... why in the hell would a bard want to wear an aventail really? you know it becomes hauberk then right?

[Tgo01]

2 TD is 2 TD.

Also I was thinking the armor below full coverage was everything except head. My bad.

[Jarvan]

2 TD is 2 TD.

Also I was thinking the armor below full coverage was everything except head. My bad.

between outside spells, ensorcelling, and cmans.. it shouldn't be an issue.

[Tgo01]

I hunt rift though so no outside spells :(

But yeah, I figure I need 40 more TD to become immune to the casters where I hunt so I'm trying to fill in that gap.

[Seizer]

Now I am curious. So if I sing up my augmented chain and put on a coif/aventail I am now wearing hauberk, right? So associated casting hindrance is there as well or does it stay at 8%?

[kcostell]

That's kind of confusing.

So if base weight of full plate is 75 pounds and you lighten it to 35 pounds does that give you negative 40 pounds? Or is it a percentage of the original weight so full plate doesn't actually end up giving you less encumbrance than double leather? Or does max lightened full plate actually give you less total encumbrance than max lightened double leather?

The latter, absurd as it sounds. Bards can see this with their sonic armor (which is even lighter than max light):

>prep 1014
You change your tune slightly, adding the element for Sonic Armor to your song...
Your spellsong is ready.
>sing 5
You weave another verse into your harmony.
The sonic barrier surrounding you dissipates.
You restart your song. [Cost is 6 mana]
You begin singing and focus your voice into a vortex of air centered around your body.
[Creating a swirling sonic barrier around you equivalent of ASG 5.]
Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
[ Sonic Armor: +0:00:35, 0:00:35 remaining. ]
>enc
Your load is a bit heavy, but you feel confident that the weight is not affecting your actions very much.
>prep 1014
You change your tune slightly, adding the element for Sonic Armor to your song...
Your spellsong is ready.
>sing 20
You weave another verse into your harmony.
The sonic barrier surrounding you dissipates.
You restart your song. [Cost is 6 mana]
You begin singing and focus your voice into a vortex of air centered around your body.
[Creating a swirling sonic barrier around you equivalent of ASG 20.]
Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
[ Sonic Armor: +0:00:29, 0:00:29 remaining. ]
>enc
You adjust your gear comfortably and feel satisfied that you are not encumbered enough to notice.
>

for more on this, check out the encumbrance article on gswiki (https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Encumbrance)

[Tgo01]

Thanks for the information everyone, it's really helped a lot. Also it's kind of crazy that people in heavier armor actually have less encumbrance than those in lighter armor...it's like GS is backwards :O


Now I am curious. So if I sing up my augmented chain and put on a coif/aventail I am now wearing hauberk, right? So associated casting hindrance is there as well or does it stay at 8%?

I just tested this, your hindrance changes to the higher percent.

Really sounds like there is no upside to using armor accessories :/

On that note I'm back in the market for some 7x, max lightened augmented chain.

[Tgo01]

I know someone out there is hoarding hundreds of these so sell me one.

[Tgo01]

Also in the market for 7x max lightened full leather and double leather.

[Jarvan]

Thanks for the information everyone, it's really helped a lot. Also it's kind of crazy that people in heavier armor actually have less encumbrance than those in lighter armor...it's like GS is backwards :O



I just tested this, your hindrance changes to the higher percent.

Really sounds like there is no upside to using armor accessories :/

On that note I'm back in the market for some 7x, max lightened augmented chain.

well.. if you find that perfect set of greaves that has bonuses you like...

[Tgo01]

well.. if you find that perfect set of greaves that has bonuses you like...

True, I suppose if we were talking about a nice set of enhancives greaves perhaps.

[Jarvan]

True, I suppose if we were talking about a nice set of enhancives greaves perhaps.

course you could wear them WITH augmented anyway.

or you could buy the chain, add greaves, and hope for an asg change int he future.

or wait for someone to enchant up a set for you. Good aug rarely comes up for sale.

[Tgo01]

Is 7x maxlight really considered that good? I mean I know it's nice but I'm not looking for 100 points of crit padding or anything :/

[Tgo01]

Woot! Got my augmented chain.

Still in the market for some max lightened 7x double leather and full leather.

[Tgo01]

Someone sell me 7x and max lightened double leather and full leather.

[ZeP]

Someone sell me 7x and max lightened double leather and full leather.

Whatcha paying TG? And since I'm obviously too hardcore to have something so simple, what are you paying for the extras?

[Tgo01]

I have 3 million silver pieces with your name on it.

[ZeP]

You can't even get plain 7x for that.

[Tgo01]

4 million?

[ZeP]

This is now my thread to sell a 7x enchant slot, fusion is definitely a real possibility here. I have most base items with 2 empty fusion slots. Nothing will be due up front -- as we will set prices that I can still make mine -- if you turn out to be someone like Gelston, PB. Anticor, etc who is not really active in the game.

[ZeP]

Send a PM if you are interested in this 7x enchant slot. Again, I have all your potions and items - you don't need anything. The price point will be something where I can just sell it if you can't log in to meet up.
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[Tgo01]

5 million Elanthian silver pieces?