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SpunGirl
10-16-2004, 12:20 AM
This came from the Las Vegas Review-Journal, today's edition. This is crap.

LAWSUIT FILED: Judge may reopen voter sign-ups

Democrats say GOP-funded group destroyed registration forms

By ADRIENNE PACKER
REVIEW-JOURNAL





A District Court judge is expected to determine today whether Clark County should reopen voter registration to accommodate Democrats whose forms allegedly were destroyed by a Republican-funded group.

The Democratic Party of Nevada filed a lawsuit against Clark County Registrar of Voters Larry Lomax on Wednesday evening.

"We would like the judge to give Larry Lomax the authority to reopen voter registration for voters who have been victimized by the company," said Jon Summers, Nevada State Democratic Party spokesman.

The lawsuit stems from a KLAS-TV Channel 8 report that an employee working for the voter registration outfit Voter's Outreach of America saw a supervisor tear up and throw away forms signed by Democrats.

Federal investigators and the Secretary of State's office are looking into the allegations to determine if any laws have been violated. Altering or destroying signed registration forms is against the law.

Clark County officials fear that if District Court Judge Valerie Adair reopens the registration period, other voters' rights could be at risk.

Aside from monitoring early voting, which starts Saturday, elections staff members must mail out and process about 50,000 absentee ballots. Those forms might not be processed in time if election workers also must register thousands of voters.

"It just cannot be too burdensome of a solution," Lomax said. "I can't deal with several days where everybody is given an opportunity to register. While you're helping one group get on the rolls, you're penalizing the other by not allowing them to cast a vote."

There is no way the county can monitor who registers if the period is extended, said Mary-Anne Miller, Clark County deputy district attorney. She said 4,000 voters registered on Tuesday, the deadline. Some residents probably left because of long lines.

"If it's wide open, it rewards the people who were lazy and didn't pay attention to public service announcements all summer long that said when voter registration ends," Miller said.

The Arizona-based political consulting firm Sproul & Associates was hired by the Republican National Committee to register Republicans in Nevada, a hotly contested swing state in the presidential election. Voter's Outreach carried out the registration effort.

Sproul, a former director of the Arizona Republican Party and former high-ranking official with the Christian Coalition, did not return phone messages left Wednesday and Thursday by the Review-Journal.

Brian Scroggins, spokesman for the Clark County Republican Party, reiterated that his party has "zero tolerance" for voter registration fraud.

Scroggins said Democrats are trying to cast doubt on the state's elections process so the result of the Nov. 2 presidential election can be challenged in court.

"It's rumored that Nevada could be the Florida of this year's election," Scroggins said, referring to the 2000 debacle when Florida voters used punch-card ballots, resulting in a significant number of votes that could not be counted.

"They're looking for any way to cover their bases in case the elections don't go their way," Scroggins said.

He said the Republican Party doubts that the allegations against Voter's Outreach are true. Eric Russell, the former employee who came forward to discuss the destruction of registration forms, was fired and upset he hadn't been paid, Scroggins said.

"If there are charges out there, they should be fully investigated to see if they're true or not," he said. "We're not going to let the Democrats steal the election by making false charges against the Republicans."

The Democratic Party's recent charges against the Republican Party could have been predicted based on the Democratic National Committee Election Day manual, Scroggins said. Democrats announced months ago that they expected Republicans to disenfranchise voters, Scroggins said.

The manual, portions of which were published on www.drudgereport.com Thursday, says: "If no signs of intimidation techniques have emerged yet, launch a 'pre-emptive strike,' " such as issuing a press release "quoting party/minority/civil rights leadership as denouncing tactics that discourage people from voting."

Matt Drudge, who operates the Web site, quoted a member of the Democratic Party who said the manual is authentic, but the party's intention was not to intimidate voters.

"We all know the Republicans are going to try to steal the election by scaring people and confusing people," the unnamed source told Drudge.

This week's accusations of voter fraud are the latest in a series of claims that have plagued Lomax and the Clark County elections division. Even though Nevada is a contentious battleground for the two parties, Lomax said the majority of the fraud early in the process was money-driven.

Some voter registration organizations paid their employees $3 per form submitted, a practice that violates state election laws. Organizations are supposed to pay employees by the hour.

Lomax encouraged voters to check their registration information on Clark County's Web site, which is www.accessclarkcounty.com.

Scroggins said the Republican Party would prefer that the county stick to the state law that calls for provisional voting rather than reopen the registration period.

"I don't think they should with a broad brush reopen registration and let people do what they want," he said.

Under state law, voters who show up at the polls, but do not appear on registration rolls, may request to vote provisionally. Provisional votes are counted in federal races and only in case of a close election.

If provisional voters bring voter registration receipts with them to the polls, it increases the likelihood their votes will be counted, according to county election officials.

Ravenstorm
10-16-2004, 12:26 AM
It's not just in Nevada (http://www.registerguard.com/news/2004/10/14/d3.or.fraud.1014.html)

They are being investigated for the same thing in Oregon.

Raven

SpunGirl
10-16-2004, 12:34 AM
Ew... what a clusterfuck. I hope that consulting firm takes it up the wazoo in fines.

-K

Wezas
10-16-2004, 12:42 AM
I heard about the Vegas one. That's just wrong.

Also heard this evening that Nader's off the ballot in Pennsylvania.

under 19000 of the 51000 signatures he had were valid.

Mickey Mouse and Fred Flinstone were among the invalid signatures.

Hulkein
10-16-2004, 03:46 AM
The DNC released a handbook on when to complain about voter intimidation..... even if it doesn't happen.

It's coming from both sides and it's wrong.

Wezas
10-16-2004, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by Hulkein
The DNC released a handbook on when to complain about voter intimidation..... even if it doesn't happen.

It's coming from both sides and it's wrong.

Haven't heard any stories about:

People only ripping up republican registations.

...or people telling college kids to register democrat for their petition about child molesters to "count"

...or democratic groups impersonating a nonpartisan group to set up a registration booth in a public place.

...or people at voting booths telling people registering that they won't get paid unless they register democrat.

Not even on Fox News.

SpunGirl
10-17-2004, 07:04 AM
Well, this just in, the judge that they were asking to re-open registration refused. She said it would create more problems than it would solve because they don't have enough volunteers to process the new registrations, etc, etc. The good news is that if you get to one of the early voting sites, you can register right then and there to vote in the presidential election only (you just don't get to vote for people running in local seats).

-K

Ilvane
10-17-2004, 07:53 AM
Wow, that's pretty disturbing. One can only wonder what is going on in Florida.:)

-A

SpunGirl
10-17-2004, 08:25 AM
No kidding, at least they have someone now to share the burden of being the voting-screwup state.

-K

GSTamral
10-17-2004, 03:06 PM
Wezas, if you think it's only happening one way, then you truly are stupid.

I mean, just about everyone heard about the stories of the woman buying cigarettes for homeless people in chicago in 2000 to vote gore, or the story about the 4 democratic party members in south florida who filled out voting cards for the people at an indian reservation, or the story about how the democratic party wanted to invalidate more than 63,000 votes from military personell because the saudi postmaster had not followed election stamping procedure.

It goes both ways, and it always has. For every republican group trying to intimidate voters at a church to vote republican there is a democrat who goes into an old age home and threatens them with zero medicine, zero healthcare, and that they would die in bed the next day if they voted Republican.

This election, you have hard line republicans using all kinds of tricks to get ralph nader on the ballot. And it's sad that they stoop to cheating to do it, but even sadder that the democratic party has been trying to make it so difficult for him to get on the ballot in the first place.

The republicans are trying to embrace that freedom right now in order to win an election, and are going to immoral lengths to make sure it happens. The democrats are saying "fuck freedom", "fuck everyone who doesn't agree with us", and "fuck Bush" all at the same time. It's an interesting role reversal.

xtc
10-17-2004, 03:12 PM
ok God another cluster fuck election. So far they are only allegations not proven let's hope it is false. My bet is that if one side is doing it so is the other.

I worked at a polling in station in Ontario's last provincial election and caught three attempts at voter fraud.

Wezas
10-18-2004, 12:33 AM
Originally posted by GSTamral
Wezas, if you think it's only happening one way, then you truly are stupid.

I always appreciate a compliment.


::insert alot of crap about past elections and current Nader crap::

So what you're telling me is you have no proof of anything the democrats are doing to screw up people's registrations?

And leave Nader out of it - he's fucked himself by putting thousands of bogus names on his petitions. A few thousand would be one thing. Having less then 19,000 valid signatures out of 52,000? The republicans should be concerned about that type of fraud - but not if it helps them!

xtc
10-18-2004, 10:12 AM
The Dems are commiting voter fraud as well it is happening both ways......

"Hench said dead Republicans this year have been registered to vote Democrat"

http://www.recordnet.com/daily/news/articles/101804-gn-3.php

and from the democrat manual

"If no signs of voter intimidation have emerged yet, launch a preemptive strike"

10-18-2004, 10:19 AM
What ever happened to a good ol' regular election. This sucks.

- Arkans

Pallon
10-18-2004, 10:59 AM
I always knew Mickey Mouse was a GOP stooge