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waywardgs
02-10-2015, 03:15 AM
http://io9.com/the-real-story-about-that-wheel-of-time-pilot-that-aire-1684773094


The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan is one of the most popular book series of all time. So you'd think the first episode of a TV version would air with massive fanfare... so why did the pilot air in the middle of the night instead? We reached out to the producers and found out why. Now updated with more info!


Winter Dragon: The Wheel of Time Pilot. Maybe?
The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades…
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In a nutshell, Winter Dragon, which aired early this morning on FXX, was not actually FXX programming. It was "client-supplied programming," according to an FXX spokesperson — which I believe means that someone rented time on FXX to show it. Similar to a late-night infomercial.

So what gives? We spoke to Rick Selvage, CEO of Red Eagle Entertainment and the executive producer of Winter Dragon, who told us "it was more of an [issue of] getting it on the air."

Selvage had to be very careful about what he told us, but reading between the lines, it sounded as though his company has the rights to make a Wheel of Time TV series — but those rights were about to expire, unless they got something on television by a certain date.

"You probably know that a lot of pilots are put on the air at different times in different ways, and for different reasons," Selvage tells io9. As with "a lot of other properties, there's always an airdate that you need to air something by... and that was certainly part of it."

But the fact that this pilot aired in the middle of the night as paid programming does not mean there aren't lavish plans for a Wheel of Time series, says Selvage, who promises more announcements soon. Winter Dragon was "a pilot for a high-budget production television series," says Selvage. "We think there's huge demand for the television series internationally, and we're looking forward to producing it and getting it out in the marketplace."

"Obviously, the pilot was a prologue to the eye of the world, which is the first book," adds Selvage. "It was not the introduction to the series, although it is a pilot." He's gratified by the discussions he's seeing on the internet about the pilot. "Certainly, we want fans to find out about it and be excited that there's a lot more to come."

So if the show does become an ongoing series, will they need to recast? Selvage says that since Lews Therin doesn't really appear outside of the prologue, no recasting might be necessary. The prologue is "really just a dialogue between good and evil, and you have to do the prologue and the age of legends in the series." The characters of Lews and Ishmael "don't necessarily show up other than flashbacks in the series."

"We don't have to worry too much about the continuity between [the prologue] and the main story," because the actual story "starts out with young males and females at the beginning." So they don't need to worry too much about recasting those two characters.

[Update: Selvage followed up to clarify that Ishmael, of course, would be a recurring character, but wouldn't be in every episode. He didn't mean to say that Ishmael wouldn't reappear after the pilot.]

As for the mention of "film" just now, Selvage says they had considered trying to do a Wheel of Time movie, but it was just too rich to try and fit the story into two hours. "We felt the story for the Eye of the World was very complicated. You need character development, you have to build the world... And since Game of Thrones came out and did well on television," with "high production values," that showed that Wheel of Time could work on television as well.

"That doesn't mean we won't do film at some point in the future," adds Selvage. "But at the moment, this project is destined to be a television series." And Wheel of Time has one advantage over Game of Thrones: "With all the content, over 13,000 pages, this could go a very long time. Game of Thrones has already run out of material, and we don't have that problem."

Update: There's a statement from Jordan's widow, calling the pilot an unauthorized production:

"This morning brought startling news. A "pilot" for a Wheel of Time series, the "pilot" being called Winter Dragon, had appeared at 1:30 in the morning, East Coast time, on FXX TV, a channel somewhere in the 700s (founded to concentrate on comedy, according to the Washington Post).

It was made without my knowledge or cooperation. I never saw the script. No one associated with Bandersnatch Group, the successor-in-interest to James O. Rigney, was aware of this.

Bandersnatch has an existing contract with Universal Pictures that grants television rights to them until this Wednesday, February 11 – at which point these rights revert to Bandersnatch.

I see no mention of Universal in the "pilot". Nor, I repeat, was Bandersnatch, or Robert Jordan's estate, informed of this in any way.

I am dumbfounded by this occurrence, and am taking steps to prevent its reoccurrence."
I've verified the authenticity of that statement with folks from Tor, her publisher.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvNYIEN1vIg

waywardgs
02-10-2015, 03:31 AM
What a shame. Sounds like they pushed through a shit pilot to hit some contractual deadline that will allow them to pursue a tv series while cutting out Jordan's widow. This series is going to get absolutely butchered. Even if they do up the production values, it sounds like they care little for doing it right. Oh well. Maybe we'll get to see some solid dress-smoothing and ponytail-pulling.

http://www.thebookdorks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/wheeloftime.gif

Jarvan
02-10-2015, 03:34 AM
Is it sad that I think only HBO could do this series justice?

It would never make it on regular TV.

Ardwen
02-10-2015, 04:44 AM
Showtime does good series too, and AMC but yeah normal TV blows

JackWhisper
02-10-2015, 04:51 AM
I have severe doubts about AMC. Anything they've ever produced has been wildly creative and imagined... until season 2 or 3. By then, the vast majority of their show followings taper off severely due to repeated and uninspired content.

Showtime I have no real quarrels with other than they have created several noteworthy series that have stood the test of time in popularity and creativity, but of late I'd be hard pressed to say their timeslots are filled with such, rather than a quantity of slots being filled by filler itself.

Normal TV sucks goats.

That being said, I'd be happy with Wheel of Time as a show purely because I've read the books and it was one of the best literary experiences I had as a teenager. Movie later, but show now woo.

JackWhisper
02-10-2015, 04:56 AM
As for the mention of "film" just now, Selvage says they had considered trying to do a Wheel of Time movie, but it was just too rich to try and fit the story into two hours. "We felt the story for the Eye of the World was very complicated. You need character development, you have to build the world... And since Game of Thrones came out and did well on television," with "high production values," that showed that Wheel of Time could work on television as well.

^^

I dare anyone to try to emulate what Game of Thrones did. Not out of disbelief, but out of desire to watch said attempt. I have never even watched Game of Thrones, nor read the books, but I hear good things.

Gelston
02-10-2015, 05:36 AM
I have severe doubts about AMC. Anything they've ever produced has been wildly creative and imagined... until season 2 or 3. By then, the vast majority of their show followings taper off severely due to repeated and uninspired content.

Showtime I have no real quarrels with other than they have created several noteworthy series that have stood the test of time in popularity and creativity, but of late I'd be hard pressed to say their timeslots are filled with such, rather than a quantity of slots being filled by filler itself.

Normal TV sucks goats.

That being said, I'd be happy with Wheel of Time as a show purely because I've read the books and it was one of the best literary experiences I had as a teenager. Movie later, but show now woo.

The thing with AMC is that they aren't a "premium" channel so they make less money for their efforts. They come out with some popular shows, sure... They can't compete with HBO, Showtime, or even Starz.

Jarvan
02-10-2015, 06:40 AM
The reason I say HBO is because they have actually done good work with GoT.

WoT would never work right on TV... kind of like Legend of the Seeker. Not that WoT had much sex or nudity. Some, but not much. But the amount of blood and violence... they would have to cut a lot out, or tone it way down. Which would really take away from it I feel.

How anyone thought they could accurately do Seeker on TV without the blood, violence and sex is beyond me.

JackWhisper
02-10-2015, 06:45 AM
Yeah, I loved the sword of truth series, but that PG shit they put on TV was ridiculous. Not that I watch tv for the porn factor in shows like that, but the sexual factor has an impact when present, and is a severe detriment to the storyline when absent.

Taernath
02-10-2015, 07:04 AM
Did I just watch 30 minutes of two guys talking to each other? With the production values of a Syfy show?

I was never really that into Wheel of Time but that was brutal. :/

Jarvan
02-10-2015, 07:55 AM
Yeah, I loved the sword of truth series, but that PG shit they put on TV was ridiculous. Not that I watch tv for the porn factor in shows like that, but the sexual factor has an impact when present, and is a severe detriment to the storyline when absent.

Well, I stopped watching the Seeker after the first episode. Anyone know how they dealt with him being captured and tortured? I can't exactly imagine them even remotely getting into what was done to him on a PG tv show. And since his torture played such a huge impact through what.. 80% of the story? cutting it out or whitewashing what was done to him would just ruin the rest of it.

waywardgs
02-10-2015, 08:37 AM
Did I just watch 30 minutes of two guys talking to each other? With the production values of a Syfy show?

I was never really that into Wheel of Time but that was brutal. :/

I'd be surprised to learn if they spent actual money on the damn thing. Looked to me like they had that made for a couple hens and a dying goat.

Velfi
02-10-2015, 02:30 PM
Wheel of Time is never going to be a viable show or movie. I love the series as much as the next book nerd, but it's too centered on the magic to have a chance of not being totally cheesy or completely changed.

GoT works because it's about the people drama, and all of the "magic" takes a very distant backseat. You don't have people throwing fireballs and Trollocs and Myrddraal and how the fuck do you show channeling weaves? Or go to Tel'aran'rhiod? Come on.

WoT is just doomed from the start.

Velfi
02-10-2015, 02:30 PM
Also I can't even bring myself to start watching the "trailer", particularly as I know it's just dialogue between Lews Therin and Ishamael.

Androidpk
02-10-2015, 02:36 PM
On a somewhat related note MTV has secured the rights to make a TV show out of The Elfstones of Shannara. Shut up, kerthwap.

Taernath
02-10-2015, 02:57 PM
On a somewhat related note MTV has secured the rights to make a TV show out of The Elfstones of Shannara. Shut up, kerthwap.

Elfstones of Shannara: Spring Break Edition with your host Carson Daly?!

Androidpk
02-10-2015, 03:05 PM
Elfstones of Shannara: Spring Break Edition with your host Carson Daly?!

I'm trying to keep an open mind. I love that book :/

kutter
02-10-2015, 03:29 PM
I like FX, I think they have some decent shows, but they cannot sink the money into it to make it what it should be. HBO is the logical choice, although would they put up a competing show that is similar to GoT, from a business standpoint it does not make a lot of sense, at least not to me, but what do I know. Production quality is one of the reasons I like GoT so much, I can even sort of forgive them for deviating so much from the books, perhaps deleting is a better word though.

WoT is such a long series, I am not sure you could hold peoples attention for the entire thing, other than the die hard nerds of course, which I am admittedly one. But they still need the casual fan too. I have a feeling FX will screw it up real bad.

Androidpk
02-10-2015, 03:31 PM
WoT is only a long series because Jordan could take up 10 pages describing a bedroom.

Johnny Five
02-10-2015, 03:37 PM
WoT is only a long series because Jordan could take up 10 pages describing a bedroom.

Or the way someone smiles. Still a god damn great series though.

subzero
02-10-2015, 04:36 PM
How anyone thought they could accurately do Seeker on TV without the blood, violence and sex is beyond me.

That was a disaster. I'd hoped to be wrong, but when it was being produced by Disney... yeah. There was no chance it would succeed.

waywardgs
02-10-2015, 04:46 PM
Or the way someone smiles. Still a god damn great series though.

If he got rid of all the hair tugging and dress smoothing, it would have been two books.

Still a good series. haha.

waywardgs
02-10-2015, 04:47 PM
I'm trying to keep an open mind. I love that book :/

Same.

Wonder if they'll ever do anything with David Eddings. I loved those too.

subzero
02-10-2015, 05:13 PM
Same.

Wonder if they'll ever do anything with David Eddings. I loved those too.

See, those could survive cable/Disney production. Wheel of Time and Sword of Truth... not so much.