Custom Property in the Simucoin Store - Tomorrow Evening

[Gizmo]

We've got a pretty big item that's going to show up in the store here in the next day or so.

Actually, there will be two of them, but I'm giving everyone as much of a heads up as I can on what time they'll be posted so that everyone has a fair shot.

Fair warning that this will be the priciest thing we've sold in the store and the second priciest thing we've ever sold in general.

I'm looking at making them live in the SCoin store tomorrow night at around 8pm Eastern. If that changes, I'll let you know as soon as I know.

Here are the details:



Have you ever wanted to have your very own sprawling estate or creepy tower? Perhaps your tastes run more toward a quiet tree house or a farmstead. Well, then you are in luck! With this exclusive package, you can design your own little piece of the lands to fit your desires. Best of all, there is no monthly rent! You will also have a huge part in deciding what room in the lands will serve as the entry to your new home.

With this package, you get to design:

6 rooms with up to 5 props and/or portals per room
The key to the property
Custom day and night room text for each room
Main entry to the property (gate, trail, path, door, etc)
250 lbs of secure, lockable storage
5 custom food items, 3 custom drinks
1 trash can per room
Property related post name title

And your choice of ONE of the following: enchanting workshop; summoning chamber; shrine to any one deity; transporter item to whisk you to your home; or a fishing area stocked with fish and a cook fire

The property will come with one earthnode, placed in the room of your choice, and can make use of up to 3 pre-existing scripts, which will be discussed during the build process.

If design isn't your strong point, that's OK! Once we have an idea of what you are looking for, our staff will work to make your home come alive. Changes may need to be made in order to conform to our current QC standards, but we will do our best to make sure you are completely satisfied with the end result.

Multiple keys will come with the property, and more can be easily obtained if needed. There are, however, a few restrictions on location. Only those with full citizenship will be allowed to build within the town walls of any city in the Elven Nations. Also, if your account is inactive for more than six months, the property will be closed permanently.




Price will be set at 150,000 SCoins.


Solomon

[Gizmo]

Pricey, at least for me considering properties are meh.

But I am sure someone will try to buy the 2, the moment they go live.

The cooler part I see is the fact it has no monthly rental fee, and you get to design it, along with the picking of a possible instant transport to the property, and of course the sweet Post Name Title

[Androidpk]

How much is 150,000 coins?

[JackWhisper]

I'd make there be a pit in the basement with a pulley system attaching a basket with some feminine skin products. I'm sure it could be put into an in-game situation. It would be awesome.

[Gizmo]

How much is 150,000 coins?

About 1200 bucks, depending.

[Androidpk]

Seems like a poor way of releasing such an expensive item.

[Tenlaar]

Seems like a poor way of releasing such an expensive item.

It's the Simu way!

[Zaigh]

If you're premium you can get it for $1,149.88
11x $99.99 bundles + 1x $49.99 bundle

[JackWhisper]

So basically... it's between 1 and 1.5 billion gold.

....

Streamdancer will take four. In cornflower blue.

[waywardgs]

I'd be pissed if I bought the coins and lost the button-mashing to get the property.

[Androidpk]

I'd be pissed if I bought the coins and lost the button-mashing to get the property.

Refund please.

Simu- "That will be a $250 restocking fee."

[Gizmo]

I'd be pissed if I bought the coins and lost the button-mashing to get the property.

Yeah, I'm not sure how they'll handle the sale of it, since there are only 2 heh and it's a rather pricey item.

But maybe that's their ploy, to get people to spend about a grand on simucoins and say...Well you bought the coins, not a property, Sorry it sold out!

[Tenlaar]

http://img.pandawhale.com/59096-Dr-Evil-pinky-gif-One-Million-vsqm.gif

[WRoss]

So basically... it's between 1 and 1.5 billion gold.

....

Streamdancer will take four. In cornflower blue.

100-150m

[Kaldonis]

So basically... it's between 1 and 1.5 billion gold.


If we just simply call it 1 SimuCoin as $0.01 (it's a bit less, as people are showing) and call the rate of $10 per million silvers, I guess it's more like 150m. Less than that, really.

Considering the private property they just auctioned, which had no feature like a workshop or summoning chamber etc, sold for around 60m, this price point seems near the ballpark of correct.

[Ardwen]

In other news, selling 200 million silvers! /snicker

[Gweneivia]

Is it for sure non-transferable? I'd buy it with silver but I'm not really willing to spend that much cash for simu coins and then, as someone else pointed out, lose to someone else and be stuck with the Scoins. If someone buys it and auctions it off for silver or even a combo of cash and silver I'd be interested. But then I'm too apathetic to go post my question or look for it on the officials, so maybe not that interested.

[JackWhisper]

Well I meant to say million but apparently I said billion. Leaving that up because the Dr. Evil thing made me laugh.

Far as questions have been asked, you can't transfer it. Question is... can the account be traded with the property not disappearing? THAT will be the question that everyone wants answered.

[Ardwen]

deeded homes have be moved with accounts, if they find out they do seize them however

[JackWhisper]

Figured as much. Stupid, really.

[Ardwen]

basically you own it til someone rats you out

[Allereli]

If you're premium you can get it for $1,149.88
11x $99.99 bundles + 1x $49.99 bundle

there is a $999.99 bundle that gets 135,000

[JackWhisper]

basically you own it til someone rats you out

Yeah because THAT would last. Haha.

[Fallen]

I've seen some private property go for that much. Expect these to sell within seconds/minutes of their posting. At least you know it won't be scalpers.

[JackWhisper]

Will Kitsun reactivate 20 accounts to try to get all of them just to sell off the accounts?!

[tash]

This seems like an off-shoot from the auction sites where you pre-buy points or whatever and then use those points to bid on items in hopes of acquiring them at a "super low price." Except that you get the item they're offering at merely a pretty reasonable price in contrast to the cost of simucoins vs. cost of silvers in the real world market/valuations of private properties. It's an interesting idea. Depending on the number of people who decide to buy in on the simucoins for the chance to buy the property, that could be an amazingly sweet win for simu. Perhaps not so much for the holders of all of the excess simucoins. On the other hand, if most people are spooked off by the prospect of only being the proud owners of ~150k simucoins, then it becomes a low risk gamble for a few. I think it's a pretty surprising/clever/off-putting use of the simucoins store, but whatever.

[Androidpk]

This seems like an off-shoot from the auction sites where you pre-buy points or whatever and then use those points to bid on items in hopes of acquiring them at a "super low price." Except that you get the item they're offering at merely a pretty reasonable price in contrast to the cost of simucoins vs. cost of silvers in the real world market/valuations of private properties. It's an interesting idea. Depending on the number of people who decide to buy in on the simucoins for the chance to buy the property, that could be an amazingly sweet win for simu. Perhaps not so much for the holders of all of the excess simucoins. On the other hand, if most people are spooked off by the prospect of only being the proud owners of ~150k simucoins, then it becomes a low risk gamble for a few. I think it's a pretty surprising/clever/off-putting use of the simucoins store, but whatever.

As I mentioned I imagine anyone left holding that many coins would simply get a refund.

[Fallen]

If I was actively playing i'd certainly be tempted. Large purchases of silver make me nervous. This is a safe way to spend RL dollars on a high value item.

[Gizmo]

As I mentioned I imagine anyone left holding that many coins would simply get a refund.

Why? I doubt they would honestly.

1) There are a limited release, 2 properties to be exact. You know this going in

2) You are buying coins, for hopes of purchasing the property, it's not a guarantee as they stated it will be limited

3) It's really no different than buying into a lottery ticket, with the exception of still having coins to spend in case you don't win a house.

I'm just curious to hear how you think anyone who merely buys coins, would get a refund?

Now, if say I directly purchased the property thru the site, and the "paperwork" went through and showed signs of me having a successful purchase but suddenly there was a hiccup in the system and it wasn't working properly, then sure I could see the idea of a refund.

But look at things closely and what Simu is doing here, they are only getting people to buy coins. Coins you may or may not be able to use to purchase said property.

[tash]

It's possible. I just don't see the valid justification for getting a refund. Especially given the terms of purchase.

Terms of Purchase

The games provided by Simutronics may include virtual, in-game currency (“Virtual Currency”) including, but not limited to SimuCoins, that may be purchased from Simutronics for money if you are a legal adult. You may purchase SimuCoins which you can use to obtain additional game services and items. You have no right, title or interest in or to any Virtual Currency except for a limited, personal, revocable, non-transferable, non-sublicensable license to use the Virtual Currency. We have the right, in our sole discretion, to regulate, control, modify, manage and/or eliminate the Virtual Currency and will have no liability to you or anyone for exercising our right. You are prohibited from transferring the Virtual Currency except where it is explicitly authorized within the Service. You may not buy or sell Virtual Currency outside of the game. Any attempts to do so may result in termination of your account. All sales of Virtual Currency are final. No refunds must be given. Prices subject to change at any time.

[waywardgs]

I suppose if you were left holding the bag on 150k coins you could eventually ditch em with store item sales for silver, but what a pita.

[Gelston]

Still have to pay rent?

[JackWhisper]

Still have to pay rent?

Apparently, no. Which is cool.

[Gelston]

Apparently, no. Which is cool.

Since it is a straight up cash purchase with Simu.... WHY AREN'T YOU PLAYING ESO YOU FAGGOT LET'S RAID BITCH.

[JackWhisper]

I abjectly refuse to play that game anymore. Unless you can get Emily and Andrew to both play. Pfft.

[Gelston]

I abjectly refuse to play that game anymore. Unless you can get Emily and Andrew to both play. Pfft.

Dude, it goes free in March.

[woteva]

Apparently there will be more properties put up for sale. The first two are just to start it off.

Also in the future will be able to purchase one of the other options not picked i.e., summoning chamber, transporter, fishing area, etc.

[Androidpk]

Call credit card company. Decline charge. Boom.

[JackWhisper]

Dude, it goes free in March.

THEN BUG ME IN MARCH!!!

[Gelston]

I think they should rework the premium house system first. Right now they have no use other then cyber. I think they should have a 5 or 10 item storage in them.

[rolfard]

They confirmed no refund on the officials

[JackWhisper]

There's going to be an absolute fucking uproar about this when someone goes to buy it and it's gone. No refund stated or not. Doesn't matter.

[Androidpk]

There's going to be an absolute fucking uproar about this when someone goes to buy it and it's gone. No refund stated or not. Doesn't matter.

Naturally. Very shitty way of doing this. $1200 for a chance at a property? Pfft.

[Kaldonis]

I think they should rework the premium house system first. Right now they have no use other then cyber. I think they should have a 5 or 10 item storage in them.

Yeah, I snuck that request in to my first reply on the officials.

I tend to think a simple node in the house ought to be free and have come with the home in the first place, but rather obviously they aren't going to bother with that. I had requested that we can purchase them with silvers, but I suspect it's something they will only do with SimuCoins by now. It's kind of lame but if it was $10, I already spent more in silvers on my home than that and rarely use it.

[Gelston]

Naturally. Very shitty way of doing this. $1200 for a chance at a property? Pfft.

I'd just dispute it on my card and quit GS.

[Gelston]

Yeah, I snuck that request in to my first reply on the officials.

I tend to think a simple node in the house ought to be free and have come with the home in the first place, but rather obviously they aren't going to bother with that. I had requested that we can purchase them with silvers, but I suspect it's something they will only do with SimuCoins by now. It's kind of lame but if it was $10, I already spent more in silvers on my home than that and rarely use it.

Even the most basic MMO comes with account wide storage now. GS should too.

[JackWhisper]

I think they should rework the premium house system first. Right now they have no use other then cyber. I think they should have a 5 or 10 item storage in them.

For sex toys, yes? Sage advice.

[Androidpk]

I'd just dispute it on my card and quit GS.

Or dispute it and keep playing.

[Gelston]

For sex toys, yes? Sage advice.

Obviously. How can you turn your house into a sex dungeon otherwise?

[JackWhisper]

Dude, why do you think all my characters are in Paupers?

Diving Board. Pool. Naked time!

[Androidpk]

Aren't private enchant workshops advantageous?

[Gelston]

Or dispute it and keep playing.

If they'd let you keep doing business with them, sure. Even Steam will fuck your account if you dispute a purchase though.

[tash]

Uproar or no, the money will be in the bank. I don't know that Simu would be compelled to legally give a refund.. that is, unless the purchaser of the simucoins is under age and using their parent's credit card without their consent. Calling the credit card company and putting a stop on the charges/disputing them for a simucoin purchase would likely not go as hoped, as adults will most likely be ruled liable given the terms on the simucoins store, that they only purchased simucoins and not specifically the property, and due to the comments that no refunds will be given on the officials for the purchase of simucoins.

That said, the possibility that there may be future properties could soften the blow for someone who wants to throw their hat in here. I just don't see there being 20 or 30 properties coming up in the next.. my lifetime. Upgrading properties only helps people who have a property.. so in that regards, if they buy a property tomorrow, they probably aren't left holding 150k simucoins.

[Kaldonis]

Aren't private enchant workshops advantageous?

For Enchanters, yes. For Ensorcell, not any more than other workshops.

[Kaldonis]

Also, I have to ask. Since you have to have the SimuCoins in your account, and there are no refunds, and it (appears) it will be a fastest-clicker wins....

Is Simu purposely putting a loaded shotgun in their mouth for a good laugh? This has suicide written all over it...

The release concept seems quite good. But it sounds like an execution...

[Gizmo]

Also, I have to ask. Since you have to have the SimuCoins in your account, and there are no refunds, and it (appears) it will be a fastest-clicker wins....

Is Simu purposely putting a loaded shotgun in their mouth for a good laugh? This has suicide written all over it...

The release concept seems quite good. But it sounds like an execution...

Bro...How many people do you really expect to be tweaking out on their mouse anxious to click this?

[Gelston]

Uproar or no, the money will be in the bank. I don't know that Simu would be compelled to legally give a refund.. that is, unless the purchaser of the simucoins is under age and using their parent's credit card without their consent. Calling the credit card company and putting a stop on the charges/disputing them for a simucoin purchase would likely not go as hoped, as adults will most likely be ruled liable given the terms on the simucoins store, that they only purchased simucoins and not specifically the property, and due to the comments that no refunds will be given on the officials for the purchase of simucoins.

That said, the possibility that there may be future properties could soften the blow for someone who wants to throw their hat in here. I just don't see there being 20 or 30 properties coming up in the next.. my lifetime. Upgrading properties only helps people who have a property.. so in that regards, if they buy a property tomorrow, they probably aren't left holding 150k simucoins.

You can dispute anything on a credit card. That is why it is generally safer. On a credit card they put the burden of proof on the vendor. A debit card is like writing a check, the burden falls on you.

[Kaldonis]

Bro...How many people do you really expect to be tweaking out on their mouse anxious to click this?

More than 2.

[Gizmo]

More than 2.

Yea and much less in comparison to ticketed events as you have been using for your comparison heh

[tash]

You can dispute anything on a credit card. That is why it is generally safer.

It's enough money that I think Simu would probably not sit idly by and let a legitimate charge be disputed as not legitimate. It's not a sure thing that the charge would be overturned.

[Kaldonis]

Yea and much less in comparison to ticketed events as you have been using for your comparison heh

There were also more than 2 tickets for those...

[Gelston]

It's enough money that I think Simu would probably not sit idly by and let a legitimate charge be disputed as not legitimate. It's not a sure thing that the charge would be overturned.

You can dispute it. You'd lose the coins and they'd probably do no more business with you. You'd get your money back though.

[tash]

You can dispute it. You'd lose the coins and they'd probably do no more business with you. You'd get your money back though.

Disputing it and winning the dispute are not the same thing. I just look it this more from the.. let's say 30 people decide to roll the dice here. I'm going to keep the math simple because I'm simple that way. Let's call it 30k in purchases for all those coins (it's more), and two people who spent 2k (also a bit more) have properties to work on. If every person who missed out then disputed the charges, that's 28k (again, more) that Simu would be out. Them stopping business with you is not likely where they'd stop. They'd want that entire 28k+ money grab, and that's probably within their legal right if your card authorized the charge for a legitimate simucoin purchase. I mean it's in effect nearly two years of payments for 28 people's premium accounts tomorrow, not over the next two years. I certainly would wish anyone the best of luck in getting their money back, but it's not a sure thing.

The bright side is there is value for those coins, it's just not the value that someone who buys them will necessarily want in this instance. It's certainly possible a dispute would get the money back, but like this offering for the possibility of making this purchase in the simucoin store, it's not guaranteed.

[Androidpk]

I can't imagine a credit card company not declining the charge for the customer. This is probably the dumbest thing Simu has ever done. No fucking sense.

[Jhynnifer]

Seems like a poor way of releasing such an expensive item.

Poor way? It's $2400 fast cash for Simu. To them this is probably an amazing idea. Don't get me wrong, the idea has it's merit and I'd consider it if I had that kind of disposable income. But right now, I'd be happier at a chance to upgrade/expand current properties.

[Gelston]

Disputing it and winning the dispute are not the same thing. I just look it this more from the.. let's say 30 people decide to roll the dice here. I'm going to keep the math simple because I'm simple that way. Let's call it 30k in purchases for all those coins (it's more), and two people who spent 2k (also a bit more) have properties to work on. If every person who missed out then disputed the charges, that's 28k (again, more) that Simu would be out. Them stopping business with you is not likely where they'd stop. They'd want that entire 28k+ money grab, and that's probably within their legal right if your card authorized the charge for a legitimate simucoin purchase. I mean it's in effect nearly two years of payments for 28 people's premium accounts tomorrow, not over the next two years. I certainly would wish anyone the best of luck in getting their money back, but it's not a sure thing.

The bright side is there is value for those coins, it's just not the value that someone who buys them will necessarily want in this instance. It's certainly possible a dispute would get the money back, but like this offering for the possibility of making this purchase in the simucoin store, it's not guaranteed.

The coins are virtual items that can be taken back. The credit issuer has that back of the creditee. I have seen this on multiple things, including Steam. You lose your account.

If there was a physical item, that is different.... but there isn't.

[waywardgs]

Didn't they do something like this in the DR store? How did that pan out?

[Gelston]

Didn't they do something like this in the DR store? How did that pan out?

I thought they said they refunded. Honestly though, if you pay over a grand, you should get a property. It shouldn't be a "oh if you buy in time" deal.

[Drevihyin]

So what are we going to cart out next week in the Simu Store? Private property sales today possibly enchant tickets/potions tomorrow or maybe some weapon weighting. I wonder is this just the start of things to come or will it end at property sales.

[Androidpk]

If they are going to make this much off coin sales then I hope the f2p model is back on the table as Solomon initially promised.

[Kaldonis]

Poor way? It's $2400 fast cash for Simu. To them this is probably an amazing idea. Don't get me wrong, the idea has it's merit and I'd consider it if I had that kind of disposable income. But right now, I'd be happier at a chance to upgrade/expand current properties.

It's a great idea. I think the scope and release are very much consistent with the SimuCoin store.

I just hope for everyone involved (Simutronics, GMs, customers) that they do it in a way that several people are not out sitting on piles of SimuCoins they acquired to get an item they missed. Otherwise, that spells rage for some, or running and hiding under a rock for others (like me).

[Gizmo]

I thought they said they refunded. Honestly though, if you pay over a grand, you should get a property. It shouldn't be a "oh if you buy in time" deal.

I agree.

Given the playerbase, and how small it is.

Why can't you just let anyone who wants to spend say, 1,000 bucks get their own custom home? Just only have the option/ability to only produce so much at a certain rate.

I understand it just means resources are being used to build/design/qc the house and all but still..This game has so much potential that is always passed by, and it sucks

[Gelston]

If someone wants to drop a grand for a property in GS, that shit should available at any time.

[Gelston]

And the GMs involved should get a share of that grand dropped.

[Kaldonis]

Yeah, totally.

I can definitely see saying, "First to click, first to have the option of their house constructed first." Pending if you're right behind Rolfard or not...

[Jhynnifer]

It's a great idea. I think the scope and release are very much consistent with the SimuCoin store.

I just hope for everyone involved (Simutronics, GMs, customers) that they do it in a way that several people are not out sitting on piles of SimuCoins they acquired to get an item they missed. Otherwise, that spells rage for some, or running and hiding under a rock for others (like me).

Of course they will. Everyone who wants one has to have the $1200 worth of simucoins purchased PRIOR to whenever they throw the property up... so geezus, I can't even... Even if only 10 people were interested. Christ. I reaaaaaaally hope GMs get a cut of simucoin sales. They probably don't, but I really wish they did. This would be awesome for them and something I could totally get behind if they did.

[Kaldonis]

Of course they will. Everyone who wants one has to have the $1200 worth of simucoins purchased PRIOR to whenever they throw the property up... so geezus, I can't even... Even if only 10 people were interested. Christ. I reaaaaaaally hope GMs get a cut of simucoin sales. They probably don't, but I really wish they did. This would be awesome for them and something I could totally get behind if they did.

For the mini-quests and such, they have stated that GMs get a cut. Hopefully the same is true here.

[Jhynnifer]

For the mini-quests and such, they have stated that GMs get a cut. Hopefully the same is true here.

Yeah but the mini-quests are coded by the GMs and not sold via the simucoin store. I'll be hopeful, but the realistic half of me figures they don't. =(

[tash]

Yeah but the mini-quests are coded by the GMs and not sold via the simucoin store. I'll be hopeful, but the realistic half of me figures they don't. =(

If this does not benefit the GMs, it's a real travesty considering they will be putting the time in to designing and QC'ing everything.

I do agree this is a neat idea for an offering, and that yes, if you want to spend the cash, make the option available regardless over time. That said, my opinion is that if they would simply allow for simucoins to be used to gift of adventure your account (or any account) at the appropriate conversion rate, I'd be much less put off by the idea of having a bazillion simucoins. At least they would have some real value to every player who wants to continue down the road that is this game.

[Androidpk]

I'd like to know how creative they'll let the owners be with property designs.

[Jhynnifer]

I'd like to know how creative they'll let the owners be with property designs.

I'm sure you have to adhere to normal rules, no boob trophies or schlongs in your bedside table.

[Androidpk]

Now that we know what is on Jhynnifer's bedside table.. :whistle:

[Tgo01]

Is this more of the "exciting new features" Wyrom said would be coming out this year? :/

I can't help but notice most (all?) of the things released so far this year have been in the SimuCoin store...not counting the freebies they hand out to get you hooked on the SimuCoin store that is.

[Androidpk]

Is this more of the "exciting new features" Wyrom said would be coming out this year? :/

I can't help but notice most (all?) of the things released so far this year have been in the SimuCoin store...not counting the freebies they hand out to get you hooked on the SimuCoin store that is.

The option of players buying highly optioned properties? Sure. Why wouldn't that count as a new feature?

[Jhynnifer]

Now that we know what is on Jhynnifer's bedside table.. :whistle:

yes, I keep a small shrine on my bedside table. It consists of various phallic objects and fertility trinkets. My favorite is my cast Steve Buscemi dildo. It's neon green.

[Androidpk]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xXOmB70Qdwo/UChfhFf-EsI/AAAAAAAAMEE/-o6JzDG9rV8/s1600/tumblr_m708giki9u1qipoweo1_500.jpg

[Gelston]

yes, I keep a small shrine on my bedside table. It consists of various phallic objects and fertility trinkets. My favorite is my cast Steve Buscemi dildo. It's neon green.

Steve Buscemi is a great American. Not even joking. Much respect for him. You should feel honored to have the likeness of his penis entering your vag.

[Wrathbringer]

Is this more of the "exciting new features" Wyrom said would be coming out this year? :/

I can't help but notice most (all?) of the things released so far this year have been in the SimuCoin store...not counting the freebies they hand out to get you hooked on the SimuCoin store that is.

You're killing gs. Why do you hate gs?

[Androidpk]

You're killing gs. Why do you hate gs?

Seriously. The way he bitches and cries about Simu you'd think they ran over his dog. Or his mom.

[Kaldonis]

Is this more of the "exciting new features" Wyrom said would be coming out this year? :/

I can't help but notice most (all?) of the things released so far this year have been in the SimuCoin store...not counting the freebies they hand out to get you hooked on the SimuCoin store that is.

Well, whether it's this way or an in-game auction, not going to get a private property for cheap. And you do get to design this one! It's a niche market, but surely one they should be cashing in on.

Spitfire is free, and I know I'm looking forward to that.

But I hear you on the SimuCoins thing. The Enhacive Pauses was a straight-up feature that could have improved the game as a whole at no cost to players, but custom private property seems to fit pretty well into my vision of what should be in the store. People were even directly asking for things like this, more or less.

[Tgo01]

Seriously. The way he bitches and cries about Simu you'd think they ran over his dog. Or his mom.

Shut your mouth and give Simu more money.

[Androidpk]

Shut your mouth and give Simu more money.

Don't tell me what to do, Al Sharpton.

[JackWhisper]

I'd list a huge paragraph, but there's no reason to belabor.

Suffice it to say, if they go through with this, and people are stuck with one thousand plus dollars worth of Simucoins, there will be a riot. And cancellations. *AFTER* they buy fixstats/fixskills and flood the market.

[JackWhisper]

Simu is going to shoot themselves in the foot with this. In a terrible way.

[rolfard]

Just posted my second of two cents on this on the officials and i'm not a buyer at 1k rent monies. (PS: it took the CHE I work with over a year to design, QC, and implement a 4 room annex, I can't imagine this will be a quick buy.


To prevent the previously uttered 'trainwreck' of clicks, is there a possibility of designing a 'buy this now' feature to prevent back-end complaints of "I bought all these simucoins and didn't click fast enough!"?

Let us not forget the year long battle of one winner of a 3-room ship design. That took a YEAR to design and the buyer afterward refunded their private, flying property ship due to reasons. And that was using in game silvers, not the rent check!

[JackWhisper]

To prevent the previously uttered 'trainwreck' of clicks, is there a possibility of designing a 'buy this now' feature to prevent back-end complaints of "I bought all these simucoins and didn't click fast enough!"?



This. Fucking. A. This.

[Fallen]

Is this more of the "exciting new features" Wyrom said would be coming out this year? :/

I can't help but notice most (all?) of the things released so far this year have been in the SimuCoin store...not counting the freebies they hand out to get you hooked on the SimuCoin store that is.

Didn't they add the option of most of the new simucoin offerings being dropped in the normal treasure system as well?

[Ardwen]

After having spent a quarter billion silvers and winding up with nothing to show for it except an eventual refund on a custom property, due to design issues and massive communication issues I wouldn't touch this at a tenth the cost, and if you do the math the airship would have cost me more then twice what this is costing for the simucoin, based on the silver cost at the time.

[JackWhisper]

Yeah but.. you got a refund you said?

[Warriorbird]

This. Fucking. A. This.

It would be foolish not to do this for this particular sale.

[Ardwen]

Yep got a refund, and I have to say the current folks in charge of private homes are worlds better then the ones that were in charge when I won the airship. I literally couldn't get anything fixed in my workshop for like 7 or more years, and a comment in a thread about something else on the officials got something that had been broken a decade fixed in under an hour by the current GM.

[Buckwheet]

I just don't understand why they are okay with people dropping $1000 on property but not $1000 on character advancement.

[JackWhisper]

Yep got a refund, and I have to say the current folks in charge of private homes are worlds better then the ones that were in charge when I won the airship. I literally couldn't get anything fixed in my workshop for like 7 or more years, and a comment in a thread about something else on the officials got something that had been broken a decade fixed in under an hour by the current GM.

Was it the crystal knob that was broken? Shit packs a punch, so I hear.

[Methais]

They confirmed no refund on the officials

This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.

Completely expected from Simu though.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101111223301/uncyclopedia/images/1/14/Jew-jitsu.jpg

Also, did they ever say if the transport to the house is cross realm?

[Parkbandit]

You can dispute it. You'd lose the coins and they'd probably do no more business with you. You'd get your money back though.

Why do you think this? You purchased x# of online currency for $X and received X# of currency.

You want a refund because you didn't win prize? Boo hoo. No refund due.

I would also put a disclaimer that forces you to agree to a couple of times, making you fully aware that there will be absolutely NO refunds.

[JackWhisper]

Why do you think this? You purchased x# of online currency for $X and received X# of currency.

You want a refund because you didn't win prize? Boo hoo. No refund due.

I would also put a disclaimer that forces you to agree to a couple of times, making you fully aware that there will be absolutely NO refunds.


You know, right like this, a lot of people are like EH WOTEVER.

Let's say Ardwen decides to sell his twin 6x claidhmores. YOU KNOW HE HAS THEM SOMEWHERE!!!!

Instead of selling it, he prices them at 150 mil each. You buy the ticket to get the claidhmore. The tickets can be redeemed for any random item from his locker. Not all of them are worth anywhere near the claidhmore in question, but still. It is essentially making the ticket the item purchase, and the claidhmore the reward.
You pay 150mil, but so does another person.
And another.
And another.

And then Ardwen says, "FIRST COME FIRST SERVED x2!!!!!!"

....Oh wait. That makes someone a scammer, a liar, a thief, and any other varied insult you can think of.

What they're doing is wrong because of how they're doing it.

[Parkbandit]

You know, right like this, a lot of people are like EH WOTEVER.

Let's say Ardwen decides to sell his twin 6x claidhmores. YOU KNOW HE HAS THEM SOMEWHERE!!!!

Instead of selling it, he prices them at 150 mil each. You buy the ticket to get the claidhmore. The tickets can be redeemed for any random item from his locker. Not all of them are worth anywhere near the claidhmore in question, but still. It is essentially making the ticket the item purchase, and the claidhmore the reward.
You pay 150mil, but so does another person.
And another.
And another.

And then Ardwen says, "FIRST COME FIRST SERVED x2!!!!!!"

....Oh wait. That makes someone a scammer, a liar, a thief, and any other varied insult you can think of.

What they're doing is wrong because of how they're doing it.

I didn't imply that this sale of property is fair of good for the game or anything of the sort. I simply said that selling online currency for X amount of dollars isn't against the TOS of the Credit Card / Merchant Agreement and no refund would be issued, as long as Simu has all their acknowledgements on their website correct. Just because you didn't get to buy this limited edition item doesn't automatically insure you get a refund.

[JackWhisper]

Not everyone's expecting that. Most people are, however, expecting that a better business model be introduced for this specific situation due to the extreme *relatively* price of said limited item.

[Parkbandit]

Not everyone's expecting that. Most people are, however, expecting that a better business model be introduced for this specific situation due to the extreme *relatively* price of said limited item.

What's everyone not expecting?

I don't get it.

[Ardwen]

except Solomon has said more will sell, probably next month, my doubt is they can create these that fast not that they are scamming people, on the plus side it should bring more high end items out for sale as people leverage coins to cash.

[JackWhisper]

except Solomon has said more will sell, probably next month, my doubt is they can create these that fast not that they are scamming people, on the plus side it should bring more high end items out for sale as people leverage coins to cash.

You mean high end items like.... 6x CLAIDHMORES?!

[Zaigh]

You mean high end items like.... 6x CLAIDHMORES?!

Maybe even one of those 613 self-chargers I've been looking for.

[Androidpk]

You know, right like this, a lot of people are like EH WOTEVER.

Let's say Ardwen decides to sell his twin 6x claidhmores. YOU KNOW HE HAS THEM SOMEWHERE!!!!

Instead of selling it, he prices them at 150 mil each. You buy the ticket to get the claidhmore. The tickets can be redeemed for any random item from his locker. Not all of them are worth anywhere near the claidhmore in question, but still. It is essentially making the ticket the item purchase, and the claidhmore the reward.
You pay 150mil, but so does another person.
And another.
And another.

And then Ardwen says, "FIRST COME FIRST SERVED x2!!!!!!"

....Oh wait. That makes someone a scammer, a liar, a thief, and any other varied insult you can think of.

What they're doing is wrong because of how they're doing it.

Ardwen's lockers are just like Fort Knox.. completely empty! The greatest GS lie ever.

[JackWhisper]

Ardwen's lockers are just like Fort Knox.. completely empty! The greatest GS lie ever.

I saw in his lockers once.

Twenty minutes later, there was a giant spider invasion in the Landing. Thank god, because the sticky webs I was stuck in wouldn't have been explainable otherwise.

[Androidpk]

I saw in his lockers once.

Twenty minutes later, there was a giant spider invasion in the Landing. Thank god, because the sticky webs I was stuck in wouldn't have been explainable otherwise.

So you're saying he keeps a horde of spiders in his lockers?

[JackWhisper]

So you're saying he keeps a horde of spiders in his lockers?

*cough* *thumbtwiddle* Yeah! That's it! The invasion was Ardwen's fault! Right.......yeah.....

[Gelston]

Ardwen's lockers are just like Fort Knox.. completely empty! The greatest GS lie ever.

YOUR SKULL IS EMPTY OF BRAINS DWEEB

[Androidpk]

YOUR SKULL IS EMPTY OF BRAINS DWEEB

So you're saying I have something in common with the God Emperor?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Jean_Paul_Laurens_Le_Pape_Formose_et_Etienne_VII_1 870.jpg

[TheBastardOfStark]

even if someone spends the $1000 dollars for the simucoins...you can still buy and sell fixstats/fixskills and make the money back that way.

[Gelston]

even if someone spends the $1000 dollars for the simucoins...you can still buy and sell fixstats/fixskills and make the money back that way.

Because that is convenient.

[Lord Orbstar]

You may not like the manner in which they are selling it, and I agree, but for fuck's sake at least give SIMU credit for doing something cool. Not everything is a conspiracy by SIMU to fuck out out of your money and secretly destroy the game.

[Gelston]

You may not like the manner in which they are selling it, and I agree, but for fuck's sake at least give SIMU credit for doing something cool. Not everything is a conspiracy by SIMU to fuck out out of your money and secretly destroy the game.

Who is calling it a conspiracy?

[Warriorbird]

I'd actually say the PC is the target demographic. Some folks are just giving advice to try to prevent the wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[Lord Orbstar]

"They" are, Gelston. I cant talk more about it, or they will gra

Who is calling it a conspiracy?

[JackWhisper]

You may not like the manner in which they are selling it, and I agree, but for fuck's sake at least give SIMU credit for doing something cool. Not everything is a conspiracy by SIMU to fuck out out of your money and secretly destroy the game.

This made me lawl hard. Usually, I agree with you on most things Orb, because you don't post much except from a position of knowledge but... uhh...

When HASN'T Simu been all about fucking everyone out of their money?

GM's aren't Simu. So you can't count shit like Kenstrom and Wyrom being pwn.

[Lord Orbstar]

well, it is a profit based endeavor so they must make money. I guess what I was saying is some of the posts seem so over the top with outrage and doomsaying that they ignore the *good* part of what the company is doing. They are not being devious.

Perhaps a better suggestion would be for them to do an in game raffle for those with the desire and means to buy the SIMUcoins for the home. Make that list of ten people...then go down the list from 1 to 10. "Okay number 1, you have 1 hour to buy the coins and make the purchase. If not, we move to person #2 on the list". Just an idea.

I cant read the officials here on government computers, but that is something I hope is occurring: Dont just give them the problem, give a recommendation too.

[Latrinsorm]

Smart way to do it: you don't sell a property, you open a waiting list to buy a property. People click on that as fast as they want for 24 hours. After that, if a person is at the top, THEN they CAN buy the coins and buy the property. If they don't do so within 24 hours, they're off the list and the clock starts on the next person.
If they are going to make this much off coin sales then I hope the f2p model is back on the table as Solomon initially promised.How dare you besmirch Solomon's good name by quoting the words he himself said.
You may not like the manner in which they are selling it, and I agree, but for fuck's sake at least give SIMU credit for doing something cool. Not everything is a conspiracy by SIMU to fuck out out of your money and secretly destroy the game.Secretly?

[Latrinsorm]

Orbstar and Latrinsorm having the same idea independently. Sign of the apocalypse?

[Androidpk]

well, it is a profit based endeavor so they must make money. I guess what I was saying is some of the posts seem so over the top with outrage and doomsaying that they ignore the *good* part of what the company is doing. They are not being devious.

Perhaps a better suggestion would be for them to do an in game raffle for those with the desire and means to buy the SIMUcoins for the home. Make that list of ten people...then go down the list from 1 to 10. "Okay number 1, you have 1 hour to buy the coins and make the purchase. If not, we move to person #2 on the list". Just an idea.

I cant read the officials here on government computers, but that is something I hope is occurring: Dont just give them the problem, give a recommendation too.

I have no problem with them making money but this method is the wrong way of going about it. Your idea is perfect though. Hold an in-game raffle with a high ticket cost, say 100 million silvers or something. Only people who are truly interested in the property are going to drop that much coin for a ticket. Once a winner is picked they have X amount of time to purchase coins and buy the property. After the property is purchased they get the silvers back that was spent on the ticket.

[waywardgs]

You guys need to stop coming up with ideas that make sense. It's bad for business.

[Tgo01]

You may not like the manner in which they are selling it, and I agree, but for fuck's sake at least give SIMU credit for doing something cool. Not everything is a conspiracy by SIMU to fuck out out of your money and secretly destroy the game.

True. True. It's not like an employee at Simu has ever gone in and canceled credit card refunds that had already been issued by another Simu employee then told the customers who requested the refunds in the first place that they were "misleading" the employee who issued the refunds.

Wait...

[JackWhisper]

True. True. It's not like an employee at Simu has ever gone in and canceled credit card refunds that had already been issued by another Simu employee then told the customers who requested the refunds in the first place that they were "misleading" the employee who issued the refunds.

Wait...



Wait wait what? Clarify this please. THIS sounds like a popcorn moment.

[Buckwheet]

I have no problem with them making money but this method is the wrong way of going about it. Your idea is perfect though. Hold an in-game raffle with a high ticket cost, say 100 million silvers or something. Only people who are truly interested in the property are going to drop that much coin for a ticket. Once a winner is picked they have X amount of time to purchase coins and buy the property. After the property is purchased they get the silvers back that was spent on the ticket.

The only thing I don't like is that you need the coins in game. Either make it in game or out of game expensive. So raffle it, and you have 15 minutes to order the Simucoins. Just figure out a better method of doing the pre-order.

[Buckwheet]

Wait wait what? Clarify this please. THIS sounds like a popcorn moment.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?79476-Return-to-Black-Swan-Castle

They changed the prize structure heavily after being asked several times on the officials if it was good before people bought and them saying yes then said..oh no refunds after people called and got them through billing. Then they said these items were not approved.

[Tgo01]

Wait wait what? Clarify this please. THIS sounds like a popcorn moment.

I'm not 100% clear on the details because it was a paid event and I don't do paid events but I think it was the second Droughtman's run. A lot of people signed up expecting prizes to be on par with the first Droughtman's run, then when the prizes were announced they were a little lack luster to say the least...

A lot of people were demanding refunds and Solomon basically said "HAHA! Suckers!"

So people called up the billing guy and he said "No problem!" So people started telling others how to get refunds and Solomon himself went in and canceled all of the refunds the billing guy issued and Solomon posted on the forums that the people who requested refunds were bad bad people for misleading the billing guy.

[Androidpk]

The only thing I don't like is that you need the coins in game. Either make it in game or out of game expensive. So raffle it, and you have 15 minutes to order the Simucoins. Just figure out a better method of doing the pre-order.

A simple raffle would work as well. I only mentioned the high coin cost as a way of assuring people not wasting anyones time.

[JackWhisper]

I remember when that was being talked about. It was a whole taking-advantage-nerf type shit like they did with the RPA ORBS... BECAUSE OF A CERTAIN SOMEONE *COUGHCOUGH* Who shall remain nameless.

Simu's transparency is about as see-through as glass shower doors. After I've been showering in them for a few years.

Fuck cleaning glass.

[JackWhisper]

I'm not 100% clear on the details because it was a paid event and I don't do paid events but I think it was the second Droughtman's run. A lot of people signed up expecting prizes to be on par with the first Droughtman's run, then when the prizes were announced they were a little lack luster to say the least...

A lot of people were demanding refunds and Solomon basically said "HAHA! Suckers!"

So people called up the billing guy and he said "No problem!" So people started telling others how to get refunds and Solomon himself went in and canceled all of the refunds the billing guy issued and Solomon posted on the forums that the people who requested refunds were bad bad people for misleading the billing guy.

I'm really glad all I went to was CCF. Simu has been getting shadier and shadier the last few years. Eesh!

[Methais]

I'm really glad all I went to was CCF. Simu has been getting shadier and shadier the last few years. Eesh!

I wonder what they're gonna pull off on people once they know they're about to shut their doors but before anyone else actually finds out.

I imagine it will be something legendary. So legendary that even Eve Online players will be like "Damn, that's just wrong."

[Tgo01]

I wonder what they're gonna pull off on people once they know they're about to shut their doors but before anyone else actually finds out.

I imagine it will be something legendary. So legendary even Eve Online players will be like "Damn, that's just wrong."

They'll start selling GM powers at 10k a pop.

[Methais]

They'll start selling GM powers at 10k a pop.

I wonder if the ability to ban people will be included in that package.

[Buckwheet]

I'm not 100% clear on the details because it was a paid event and I don't do paid events but I think it was the second Droughtman's run. A lot of people signed up expecting prizes to be on par with the first Droughtman's run, then when the prizes were announced they were a little lack luster to say the least...

A lot of people were demanding refunds and Solomon basically said "HAHA! Suckers!"

So people called up the billing guy and he said "No problem!" So people started telling others how to get refunds and Solomon himself went in and canceled all of the refunds the billing guy issued and Solomon posted on the forums that the people who requested refunds were bad bad people for misleading the billing guy.

So I guess more than once!

[Warriorbird]

I'm not 100% clear on the details because it was a paid event and I don't do paid events but I think it was the second Droughtman's run. A lot of people signed up expecting prizes to be on par with the first Droughtman's run, then when the prizes were announced they were a little lack luster to say the least...

A lot of people were demanding refunds and Solomon basically said "HAHA! Suckers!"

So people called up the billing guy and he said "No problem!" So people started telling others how to get refunds and Solomon himself went in and canceled all of the refunds the billing guy issued and Solomon posted on the forums that the people who requested refunds were bad bad people for misleading the billing guy.

That's when I bailed even though I wasn't a ticket holder. Refund cancelling can even be illegal in certain states.

[Donquix]

I'm not 100% clear on the details because it was a paid event and I don't do paid events but I think it was the second Droughtman's run. A lot of people signed up expecting prizes to be on par with the first Droughtman's run, then when the prizes were announced they were a little lack luster to say the least...

A lot of people were demanding refunds and Solomon basically said "HAHA! Suckers!"

So people called up the billing guy and he said "No problem!" So people started telling others how to get refunds and Solomon himself went in and canceled all of the refunds the billing guy issued and Solomon posted on the forums that the people who requested refunds were bad bad people for misleading the billing guy.

he said they were, if i recall "bad customers" because they wanted to cancel after the obvious bait and switch from OMG l337 EPIC DROPZ to "lol, permanent crystal amulet get fucked"

[Fallen]

The loot from the first Droughtman's was pretty damn insane. That being said, they dun goofed with how they handled that particular issue.

[JackWhisper]

I still laugh when I recall first returning year before last and I was like I NEED TO GET A PERM GOLD RING AND PERM CRYSTAL AMULET!

Lawl. Sigil of Contact/Escape. Fuck spending 40mil/4mil respectively.

[Tgo01]

So I guess more than once!

Probably happens on a daily basis with Solomon around.


That's when I bailed even though I wasn't a ticket holder. Refund cancelling can even be illegal in certain states.

I would imagine it's something that would (or should) be illegal everywhere. It just reeks of illegal. Imagine going to Walmart to return something so they're just like "Yeah yeah yeah, sure, here you go" then they take your returned item then just cancel the refund. Or even if there is no item to return they just say they're going to refund you just to get you out of the store so they can just cancel the refund later. It's just...blick.


he said they were, if i recall "bad customers" because they wanted to cancel after the obvious bait and switch from OMG l337 EPIC DROPZ to "lol, permanent crystal amulet get fucked"

Sort of like his recent comment that people don't really care about GS at all if they don't support Simutronics by buying shit in the SimuCoin store.

[Androidpk]

The loot from the first Droughtman's was pretty damn insane. That being said, they dun goofed with how they handled that particular issue.

They pulled the same thing with another paid quest. The one that had HCP fusion armor as top tier prizes.

[JackWhisper]

Red Thread: Custom Property in the Simucoin Store - Tomorrow Evening

That's very specifically NOT how this is working. There's no surprises. You know up front. You're making up reasons to be mad at this.

Aw how cute, someone with faith Simu isn't going to backdoor nolube anyone. You're so adorbs.

[Tgo01]

Red Thread: Custom Property in the Simucoin Store - Tomorrow Evening

That's very specifically NOT how this is working. There's no surprises. You know up front. You're making up reasons to be mad at this.

Aw how cute, someone with faith Simu isn't going to backdoor nolube anyone. You're so adorbs.

It almost sounds like the person is speaking from the perspective of Simu themselves. Solomon?! Is that you?!

[JackWhisper]

Nah, Solomon would be grey =P. This is a gutless wonder who can't be bothered to sign. I happen to sign my reps teehee.

[Tgo01]

Nah, Solomon would be grey =P. This is a gutless wonder who can't be bothered to sign. I happen to sign my reps teehee.

I'd be willing to bet Solomon has been trolling the rep comments for years now. Maybe Wrathbringer is Solomon!

[Thondalar]

They pulled the same thing with another paid quest. The one that had HCP fusion armor as top tier prizes.

Yeah, Black Swan. I guess they really figured nobody would get top tier that easily, and first few runs they were right...but once the cat was out of the bag, almost every run was getting top tier, so they nerfed the prizes.

[Methais]

Sort of like his recent comment that people don't really care about GS at all if they don't support Simutronics by buying shit in the SimuCoin store.

I must see this.

Link pl0x.

[JackWhisper]

I'd be willing to bet Solomon has been trolling the rep comments for years now. Maybe Wrathbringer is Solomon!

There's gotta be SOME variety. My rep comment history is like..

Tisket ~LAWL
Bristenn ~Choked on coffee wtf man funny
TGO ~SomethingRandomGreen
~Red from coward about my penis being bigger than their brain, but they're too afraid to admit it.
~Shart from Wrathbringer
~Greenrandom
~Redrandom
~Another Shart from Wrathbringer how the FUCK did he manage to cycle that fast?!?!

[Gelston]

Nah, Solomon would be grey =P. This is a gutless wonder who can't be bothered to sign. I happen to sign my reps teehee.

I don't sign mine because I am lazy and rep isn't a big deal.

[Gizmo]

I don't sign mine because I am lazy and rep isn't a big deal.

REP IS A BIG DEAL! I WAS FULL GREEN AND NOW I AM RED THANKS TO SOMEONE!1!

Also: I think said repper has downes.

He repped me this, for the very first OP post...which makes no sense at all :(

Thread: Custom Property in the Simucoin Store - Tomorrow Evening
STFU that's EXACTLY what is happening. Rep coward.

[Gelston]

REP IS A BIG DEAL! I WAS FULL GREEN AND NOW I AM RED THANKS TO SOMEONE!1!

Want to be redder?

[Tgo01]

I must see this.

Link pl0x.

My bad. It was in a discussion about the SimuCoin store but he basically said people who don't tell others to fork over their money to Simutronics don't care about GS.


<<or maybe people who benefit from the change will have more goodwill toward Simu. The company approval rating about matches that of Congress. What love its customers have for the game does not translate to love for the company. Does the company really lose when old players are currently telling new players what a ripoff the standard subscription price is based on the character slots?>>

I posit that old players who are saying such things to new players don't really have love for the game at all, since they're taking active steps to dissuade people from playing.

It's one thing to say something like this if the old players are saying what a shitty and horrible game GS is, but to say people don't care about the game because they tell others they think Simu is milking their customer base dry? Give me a break, Solomon.

But in that same thread is where Solomon gave us the bullshit line that GS supposedly makes such little money from subscriptions and paid events that if they didn't do the SimuCoin store they would be forced to raise everyone's monthly fees:


<<Wow...so the simucoin store allows you to keep our subscription costs at a rate that is 3-4 times higher than the industry average? Pretty pathetic.>>

No, it allows us to keep them at the same levels they've been for years, which is pretty consistent with the rates of other games with monthly subscriptions costs.

Solomon


The net positive outcome is that the game(s) are still running for folks to enjoy and alongside those things you mentioned, other things get created/improved/enhanced that can be used in other areas of the game.

[Gizmo]

Want to be redder?

Yeah, I need to be full red.

It's either all or nothing, not this half ass half red bar bullshit

[Androidpk]

There's gotta be SOME variety. My rep comment history is like..

Tisket ~LAWL
Bristenn ~Choked on coffee wtf man funny
TGO ~SomethingRandomGreen
~Red from coward about my penis being bigger than their brain, but they're too afraid to admit it.
~Shart from Wrathbringer
~Greenrandom
~Redrandom
~Another Shart from Wrathbringer how the FUCK did he manage to cycle that fast?!?!

I would like some variety as well. Here are some I've received this past month..

I'm Wyrom, suck my dick!
Yay clowns, I farted
Turd logs > regular logs
You suck! You suck massive amounts of pewp!
Your butt volcano flows shart lava
Lolsharted
Epic trolld in ur gay butthole
Farts
poop!
Lolsharted
POOP!
i wish jarvans face was in my toilet

Seriously? Is this grade school or xbox live or something? SMH

[Gizmo]

Fuck, now I'm back green.

[Latrinsorm]

I was hurt and offended that my reps to you aren't in there, but then I remembered that legally you can't be held liable.

[Jhynnifer]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xXOmB70Qdwo/UChfhFf-EsI/AAAAAAAAMEE/-o6JzDG9rV8/s1600/tumblr_m708giki9u1qipoweo1_500.jpg

STAY OUT OF MY HOUSE!!

[Jhynnifer]

Steve Buscemi is a great American. Not even joking. Much respect for him. You should feel honored to have the likeness of his penis entering your vag.

I fucking love Steve Buscemi.... or is it I love fucking Steve Buscemi?

[Androidpk]

http://www.dcl16.nl/dvd/screenshot/mrdeeds2.jpg

[Androidpk]

Thread: Custom Property in the Simucoin Store - Tomorrow Evening (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?94295-Custom-Property-in-the-Simucoin-Store-Tomorrow-Evening&p=1739655#post1739655)
I want to know what the degree is about!

It's a Masters in Schlicktology.

[Jarvan]

Yeah but.. you got a refund you said?

I spent 300 million, and waited a year.

Then my Boat poofed...

Then it came back with no of the changes.

Then poofed again.

Luckily.. the GM in charge of it when I finally got it had her shit together and fixed my issues practically in real time. I would email her, and 30 min later.. tada.. Boat is back.

I would say 70% of my problems where communication from a certain GM(ex I think), the other 30% was bad coding.

At the time.. I think silvers were up to like 12-14 per.. so I paid about 3x the price of this for a boat that takes 3 days to go from landing to Teras. 5 rooms in total.. tho 1 isn't really useable.

[Androidpk]

Jarvan's on a boat


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avaSdC0QOUM

[Jarvan]

Smart way to do it: you don't sell a property, you open a waiting list to buy a property. People click on that as fast as they want for 24 hours. After that, if a person is at the top, THEN they CAN buy the coins and buy the property. If they don't do so within 24 hours, they're off the list and the clock starts on the next person.How dare you besmirch Solomon's good name by quoting the words he himself said.Secretly?

Sadly... Latrin's idea isn't half bad. Much better then buying the coins, then maybe not ever getting a property.. or waiting a year.

[Ardwen]

Best thing I ever did was take that refund, and sad to say it they rehired that GM Jarvan. Apparently incompetence isn't always a bad thing at Simu.....

[Wrathbringer]

I would like some variety as well. Here are some I've received this past month..

I'm Wyrom, suck my dick!
Yay clowns, I farted
Turd logs > regular logs
You suck! You suck massive amounts of pewp!
Your butt volcano flows shart lava
Lolsharted
Epic trolld in ur gay butthole
Farts
poop!
Lolsharted
POOP!
i wish jarvans face was in my toilet

Seriously? Is this grade school or xbox live or something? SMH

Exactly 8 of those are mine. LOL

[Donquix]

Best thing I ever did was take that refund, and sad to say it they rehired that GM Jarvan. Apparently incompetence isn't always a bad thing at Simu.....

I was under the impression it was a requirement.

[Jarvan]

Best thing I ever did was take that refund, and sad to say it they rehired that GM Jarvan. Apparently incompetence isn't always a bad thing at Simu.....

The guy had good ideas... sorta. He was just shit at timelines, communication, customer service... you know, the little things.

[Androidpk]

Exactly 8 of those are mine. LOL

You need to expand, man. Throw some titties in there or something.

[Wrathbringer]

You need to expand, man. Throw some titties in there or something.

I'll take that under advisement.

[Silvean]

he said they were, if i recall "bad customers" because they wanted to cancel after the obvious bait and switch from OMG l337 EPIC DROPZ to "lol, permanent crystal amulet get fucked"

God this cracked me up. :D

[Fallen]

So did they sell?

[Candor]

So did they sell?

I only saw one for sale. I logged it at 8:08 and it was already sold.

Of course, it may have been 2 properties under the same heading, in which case, both were sold by 8:08.

[Androidpk]

So did they sell?

Fleurs got both of them.

[Fallen]

Fleurs got both of them.

This will displease Rimalon greatly.

[Candor]

Fleurs got both of them.

The idea that someone might want more than one of these properties admittedly didn't occur to me.

Simu is going to make a few bucks with this idea.

[Methais]

Fleurs got both of them.

Not sure if serious.

[Ardwen]

buy a bunch and build a city!

[Gelston]

buy a bunch and build a city!

For only 50 grand you can have your own town.

[Warriorbird]

Fleurs got both of them.

I wonder if she'll make them almost be the same, just a couple words different.

[Taernath]

For only 50 grand you can have your own town.

This is what I've been saying... pool our resources, and create a shadow Gemstone where GMs aren't allowed and only whoever holds the conch gets to speak.

This would be different from Shattered though.

[rolfard]

Totes.

[Ardwen]

A totes factory! The dwarves shall become slaves in the totes industry!

[Methais]

Did Fleurs really get both of them?

I wouldn't be surprised if so, being it's Fleurs GSIsLife and all, but...not sure if serious.

[Donquix]

Fleurs got both of them.

can you make handbags big enough to live inside?

[Androidpk]

can you make handbags big enough to live inside?

Yes. It even comes stocked with a private handbag workshop.

[Jhynnifer]

It's totes, you mongoloids. Get it right. =D =D

[Donquix]

It's totes, you mongoloids. Get it right. =D =D

shit, that's right. i knew it wasn't handbag but i forgot the exact noun.

[Androidpk]

http://www.geekygirlengineer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/BeJ0WSGCQAA4vAK.jpg

[Fallen]

http://youtu.be/hGxa39_i9PY

[m444w]

Fleurs didn't buy them both

[JackWhisper]

Was she hired as an interior designer for the second?

[JackWhisper]

Hah. Fleurs: When you're designing your private house... I'm goin' be there! You think I'm playin'?!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2Odr15W8rI

[Kaldonis]

The idea that someone might want more than one of these properties admittedly didn't occur to me.

Simu is going to make a few bucks with this idea.

Genius. Toss them in different parts of Elanthia and teleport between your homes whenever you want.

FUCK RIDING ON BOATS, MINECARTS, and PLANAR SHIFT!

[Archigeek]

Genius. Toss them in different parts of Elanthia and teleport between your homes whenever you want.

FUCK RIDING ON BOATS, MINECARTS, and PLANAR SHIFT!

The teleport is local only. Sorry.

[Fallen]

Should definitely run with the enchanting workshop. Actually, does it have to be yours or does being in any private one provide the same boost?

[Allereli]

Should definitely run with the enchanting workshop. Actually, does it have to be yours or does being in any private one provide the same boost?

they are attuned to specific wizards for the bonus. If they are not attuned they have the same bonus as a public workshop (less than guild/CHE)

[caelric]

I thought they were attuned to any wizard on the account owners account?

[Allereli]

I thought they were attuned to any wizard on the account owners account?

I'm not 100% sure, but as you can pass off keys, I believe you can pass off the attunement to the workshop to another player.

[Methais]

The teleport is local only. Sorry.

It's cross realm.

[everan]

they are attuned to specific wizards for the bonus. If they are not attuned they have the same bonus as a public workshop (less than guild/CHE)

What bonus does a private workshop give? Is it the same as a CHE workshop? Or are those considered public workshops?

[Allereli]

What bonus does a private workshop give? Is it the same as a CHE workshop? Or are those considered public workshops?

they are all different, maybe a wizard would like to complete the research.

[Fallen]

What bonus does a private workshop give? Is it the same as a CHE workshop? Or are those considered public workshops?

It gives the highest tier benefit that can be conveyed. I believe the order is Public < CHE < Private.

From the GSWiki:



Magical workshops, formerly known as enchanting workshops, give a significant bonus to the outcome of several powerful spells. These include:


Charge Item (517) (https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Charge_Item_(517))
Enchant Item (925) (https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Enchant_Item_(925))
Ensorcell (735) (https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ensorcell_(735))
Scroll Infusion (714) (https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Scroll_Infusion_(714))
Magic Item Creation (420) (https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Magic_Item_Creation_(420))

Sorcerers (https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Sorcerer) and Wizards (https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Wizard) can use the SENSE (https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Sense) verb to detect whether they are in a magical workshop or not.

Workshops come in three different strengths, the most powerful being a private workshop. Private workshops are rare and are attuned to the owner. If the workshop located in a private property (https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Private_property) is not attuned to a specific wizard, it will have the enchanting bonus of a public workshop.

The next most powerful are workshops found in CHE (https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/CHE) Houses (e.g., White Haven (https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/White_Haven), Twilight Hall (https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Twilight_Hall)) and Wizard (https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Wizard_Guild) and Sorcerer Guilds (https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Sorcerer_Guild). Every Wizard Guild has a workshop, while every Sorcerer Guild except Zul Logoth (https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Zul_Logoth) and Ta'Vaalor (https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ta%27Vaalor) has one.

Finally, the least powerful workshops are open to the public. These are found throughout the lands in places such as the Abandoned Inn (https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Abandoned_Inn).

Note: The magical workshop bonus to Ensorcell (735) (https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ensorcell_(735)) success is unaffected by the type of workshop. All workshops (private, che/guild, or public) provide the same bonus.

[Fallen]

Someone should ask for a bit of clarification on the mechanics. Who is the wizard guru these days?

[Allereli]

Someone should ask for a bit of clarification on the mechanics. Who is the wizard guru these days?

there are no specific profession gurus.

[Fallen]

there are no specific profession gurus.

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/50607451.jpg

[Taernath]

there are no specific profession gurus.

How long has it been like that? I know a couple were empty for a while, and some people covered multiple ones, but did Simu just throw their hands up and say 'fuck it too much work'?

[Allereli]

How long has it been like that? I know a couple were empty for a while, and some people covered multiple ones, but did Simu just throw their hands up and say 'fuck it too much work'?

a while. There is just the "dev team." It probably works better, the continuous abandonment of professions by specific people was really bad for the game. Now all dev is prioritized and projects are worked on by the team so that (hopefully) one person's availability doesn't affect progress as much as it used to. There are 6 GMs and 5 apprentices, and only 2 really post on the officials responding to players consistently (Estild and Keios), so that's about all I know.

[Androidpk]

there are no specific profession gurus.

Except Finros, despoiler of monks.

[Jhynnifer]

a while. There is just the "dev team." It probably works better, the continuous abandonment of professions by specific people was really bad for the game. Now all dev is prioritized and projects are worked on by the team so that (hopefully) one person's availability doesn't affect progress as much as it used to. There are 6 GMs and 5 apprentices, and only 2 really post on the officials responding to players consistently (Estild and Keios), so that's about all I know.

I almost wish this was done with races as well. We have a handful of GMs who are seriously excited about their races and put out new verbs, documentation, etc... then we have things like....ooooooh for example... sylvans. Who haven't had a real update outside of that really shitty clothing document which basically turned them into glorified american indians, in like what.... 10 years? And yes, I'm ignoring that sylvan marriage document, I know.... but that was fought for ridiculously hard for 4 years with copious amounts of begging, pleading and badgering by Gweniveer and a couple of others. It shouldn't be like pulling teeth to show some love to all the races.

[Gelston]

I almost wish this was done with races as well. We have a handful of GMs who are seriously excited about their races and put out new verbs, documentation, etc... then we have things like....ooooooh for example... sylvans. Who haven't had a real update outside of that really shitty clothing document which basically turned them into glorified american indians, in like what.... 10 years? And yes, I'm ignoring that sylvan marriage document, I know.... but that was fought for ridiculously hard for 4 years with copious amounts of begging, pleading and badgering by Gweniveer and a couple of others. It shouldn't be like pulling teeth to show some love to all the races.

Sylvans are a bunch of hippies and shouldn't be cared about.

[Tgo01]

I almost wish this was done with races as well. We have a handful of GMs who are seriously excited about their races and put out new verbs, documentation, etc... then we have things like....ooooooh for example... sylvans. Who haven't had a real update outside of that really shitty clothing document which basically turned them into glorified american indians, in like what.... 10 years? And yes, I'm ignoring that sylvan marriage document, I know.... but that was fought for ridiculously hard for 4 years with copious amounts of begging, pleading and badgering by Gweniveer and a couple of others. It shouldn't be like pulling teeth to show some love to all the races.

Next up in the SimuCoin store: Buying race verbs and documentation updates!

Do you wish your favorite race had more race specific verbs? Do you get tired of all the other races having their documents updated while yours languishes, looking ill and decrepit? Well for a mere 150,000 Simucoins you can have the honor of doing all of this for us! A portion of your purchase will go towards the GM for their time and the rest will go towards Simu.

What's sad is Solomon actually said that last bit on the official forums in regards to custom properties :/

[Methais]

I almost wish this was done with races as well. We have a handful of GMs who are seriously excited about their races and put out new verbs, documentation, etc... then we have things like....ooooooh for example... sylvans. Who haven't had a real update outside of that really shitty clothing document which basically turned them into glorified american indians, in like what.... 10 years? And yes, I'm ignoring that sylvan marriage document, I know.... but that was fought for ridiculously hard for 4 years with copious amounts of begging, pleading and badgering by Gweniveer and a couple of others. It shouldn't be like pulling teeth to show some love to all the races.

You should form the NAASP.

[Lord Orbstar]

Or NAAMBLA

[Jhynnifer]

Next up in the SimuCoin store: Buying race verbs and documentation updates!

Do you wish your favorite race had more race specific verbs? Do you get tired of all the other races having their documents updated while yours languishes, looking ill and decrepit? Well for a mere 150,000 Simucoins you can have the honor of doing all of this for us! A portion of your purchase will go towards the GM for their time and the rest will go towards Simu.

What's sad is Solomon actually said that last bit on the official forums in regards to custom properties :/

Sometimes I really wonder why you still play, you obviously hate Simu. (And I'm not being a bitch here, I'm genuinely curious... ok well maybe kinda a bitch cause this is me, but really though).

[Tgo01]

Sometimes I really wonder why you still play, you obviously hate Simu. (And I'm not being a bitch here, I'm genuinely curious... ok well maybe kinda a bitch cause this is me, but really though).

Oh sure; lots of people have been poking fun at Simu in this thread for this sort of thing and they all get LOLs and green rep. I make one little joke and it's all "Why do you still play?! OMG!"

People! There's just no pleasing you!

Also hating Simu != hating GS, no matter what Solomon tries to tell you.

[Latrinsorm]

Next up in the SimuCoin store: Buying race verbs and documentation updates!

Do you wish your favorite race had more race specific verbs? Do you get tired of all the other races having their documents updated while yours languishes, looking ill and decrepit? Well for a mere 150,000 Simucoins you can have the honor of doing all of this for us! A portion of your purchase will go towards the GM for their time and the rest will go towards Simu.

What's sad is Solomon actually said that last bit on the official forums in regards to custom properties :/You joke but a Patreon business model would really, really, really, really, really help Simu.

[Tgo01]

You joke but a Patreon business model would really, really, really, really, really help Simu.

...shut up!

[Warriorbird]

You joke but a Patreon business model would really, really, really, really, really help Simu.

Simu Patreon in 2025. They do everything 10 years late.

[caelric]

You joke but a Patreon business model would really, really, really, really, really help Simu.

The Patreon model is generally that backers give the 'artist' money ahead of time, and the artist puts more of his/her time towards the things he advertises on Patreon. The business model described in TG01's quote is more along the lines of: GS customers/players do the work of coming up with race verbs/race documents, or whatever area is of interest, and then gives SIMU money, and SIMU takes their work, and their money, and possibly puts it in the game.

In other words, it would be an expansion of SIMU getting people to work for free (in the case of GameHosts and the now-defunct ALAE), or for pizza money (in the case of GMs). It would be people paying SIMU for the privilege of doing SIMU's work.

Huh. Wow. I should propose that to Solomon. Given SIMU and Solomon's attitude, it's quite likely that it will eventually get to be like that.

[Jhynnifer]

Oh sure; lots of people have been poking fun at Simu in this thread for this sort of thing and they all get LOLs and green rep. I make one little joke and it's all "Why do you still play?! OMG!"

People! There's just no pleasing you!

Also hating Simu != hating GS, no matter what Solomon tries to tell you.

LOL, you know what I mean. And I completely get the differentiation, but at some point your hatred for Simu has to encompass "Well I fucking hate them so much I refuse to continue giving them my money" right? =)

[Latrinsorm]

The Patreon model is generally that backers give the 'artist' money ahead of time, and the artist puts more of his/her time towards the things he advertises on Patreon.To clarify, I'm referring to the Patreon per-creation model rather than per-time because up to this moment I didn't know Patreon even offered the latter. "No money until job is done" is the influence I'm going for.
Simu Patreon in 2025. They do everything 10 years late.Hey now, WoW only went F2P in 2011, Simu's got plenty of time to be only five years late. You gotta see the glass one twentieth full instead of nineteen twentieths empty!

[Warriorbird]

Hey now, WoW only went F2P in 2011, Simu's got plenty of time to be only five years late. You gotta see the glass one twentieth full instead of nineteen twentieths empty!

WoW did F2P way after they should have.

[Androidpk]

WoW did F2P way after they should have.

Not at all. They were still raking in massive amounts of cash off subs.

[Warriorbird]

Not at all. They were still raking in massive amounts of cash off subs.

One doesn't necessarily preclude the other. "Raking in massive amounts of cash off subs" doesn't mean one couldn't go after the alternate paths to cash either. That's Simu thinking.

[Androidpk]

One doesn't necessarily preclude the other. "Raking in massive amounts of cash off subs" doesn't mean one couldn't go after the alternate paths to cash either. That's Simu thinking.

Sure it does. The reason why MMOs turn away from the subscription model is because they aren't making enough money. When you have millions of subs there is no need for f2p.

[Warriorbird]

Sure it does. The reason why MMOs turn away from the subscription model is because they aren't making enough money. When you have millions of subs there is no need for f2p.

Many short sighted people think that way.

http://www.pcgamer.com/league-of-legends-has-made-almost-1-billion-in-microtransactions/

[Androidpk]

Many short sighted people think that way.

http://www.pcgamer.com/league-of-legends-has-made-almost-1-billion-in-microtransactions/

Uhh, okay? That doesn't take anything away from what I said. Look at the Star Wars MMO. They switched to f2p because the were hemorrhaging accounts like crazy.

[Warriorbird]

Uhh, okay? That doesn't take anything away from what I said. Look at the Star Wars MMO. They switched to f2p because the were hemorrhaging accounts like crazy.

Right. It's a bad choice doing it then when you could've tapped the microtransaction market earlier and gotten cash to rejuvenate your game. Much like Simu.

[Donquix]

wow never went f2p...it's capped at like level 20. That's the equivalent of the 30day trial month in GS, not f2p.

[JackWhisper]

wow never went f2p...it's capped at like level 20. That's the equivalent of the 30day trial month in GS, not f2p.

How slow of a gamer are you?! =P. Level 20 takes like, quite literally without embellishment, an hour and a half of gameplay.

[Donquix]

How slow of a gamer are you?! =P. Level 20 takes like, quite literally without embellishment, an hour and a half of gameplay.

I agree. Making it even more hilarious to call it "f2p". That's the starter zone + what...half of the next zone? probably less with all the nerfs to EXP needed pre (current_max_level - 5) they do every expansion. And your gold, tradeskills, etc. are all likewise capped hilariously low.

So like, gemstone equivalent is like...you can hunt until like hobgoblins, maybe. and learn cobbling to 50 ranks.

[Gelston]

Yeah, level 20 in WoW takes no time at all. It is like calling a Demo for a game the F2P version.

[Androidpk]

How slow of a gamer are you?! =P. Level 20 takes like, quite literally without embellishment, an hour and a half of gameplay.


That is embellishment.

[JackWhisper]

That is embellishment.

Your face is an embellishment!

[Jhynnifer]

Your face is an embellishment!

...for his skull.

[JackWhisper]

...for his skull.

One of these days I'm going to come by and get the money from the necropolis runs we did. One day... when I'm not SO FUCKING LAZY.

[Jhynnifer]

One of these days I'm going to come by and get the money from the necropolis runs we did. One day... when I'm not SO FUCKING LAZY.

You know what's sad... it's the one time I've done a group run with people and never made a point of divvying it up after. I kind of feel bad about it, but going through my logs makes me cringe.

[JackWhisper]

LOL I wasn't too worried about it. It was annoying loresinging to 40+ items just to get them tagged for sale. One day I'll get my cut! ONE DAY!