Rogue - Ranged or TWC or what

[Viekn]

So I acquired a Rogue that uses a long bow. I've never been interested in ranged and had never tried it. And now that I have, my feelings were confirmed. I just don't like it that much. Would fixskilling to be a TWC user be just as effective? I've always liked TWC. Other than switching to edged and TWC, would I need to change anything else about his training to take advantage of doing TWC? This may be a moot question because it's more about what I like, but I also don't want to hurt the character either. Here are his current skills at level 48...

Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus-----Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 120----------30
Combat Maneuvers...................| 150----------50
Ranged Weapons.....................| 200----------100
Ambush.............................| 200----------100
Physical Fitness...................| 150----------50
Dodging............................| 200----------100
Arcane Symbols.....................| 50-------------10
Harness Power......................| 20-------------4
Disarming Traps....................| 250----------150
Picking Locks......................| 250----------150
Stalking and Hiding................| 209----------109
Perception.........................| 200----------100
Climbing...........................| 105-------------25
Swimming...........................| 50-------------10

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 4

[Lord Orbstar]

You probably already know this, but you do not have to have TWC maxed out. You can keep a couple ranks shaved off and use the points elsewhere with no real downside. I love TWC and my rogues and warriors are always twc, min-maxing aside.

[Lord Orbstar]

working to Ewave will be very useful for you too.

[Palcron]

If you don't mind dropping picking and disarming, you can free up a shit load of TPs. If you want to pick, it's definitely going to be a lot tighter on points.

It was around my 40's that I was able to function well as a TWC ambushing rogue (falchion/shortsword to start and then dual shortswords). Rocked that build until somewhere in the 70's or 80's. And I don't think I ever went more than 1.5x on TWC. My base was 2x S&H, 2x ambush, 2x dodge, 2x edge, 1.5x TWC, 2x PF and 1.5 or 1.75x CM (I forget which). By the time I hit my mid 60's, I was in full plate.

[Jeril]

It isn't just a simple swap. Ranged costs you 9/3 while TWC is going to cost you 8/6 at a minimum, thats 2x edged and 1x TWC. On the plus side you can likely drop your perception down to 1x if you wanted and have no issue with spotting traps and that would make going TWC slightly cheaper on tps, but if you went above 1x you'd be spending more points on it. Of course you also won't be as affective with twc as you would with ranged because you won't be maxing out your AS. When it comes to min/maxing ranged is by far the easier path.

[Viekn]

I'm assuming I could also drop lock pick enhancement and disarm enhancement for awhile and use imbeds so that I could get more than just 1x in TWC?

[Lord Orbstar]

You definately cannot be a lockpicker and TWC at that level. My rogue used twin blunts. Morningstars rock.

[Jeril]

I'm assuming I could also drop lock pick enhancement and disarm enhancement for awhile and use imbeds so that I could get more than just 1x in TWC?

I have a low level combat rogue who is just 1x in twc, it works fine for me. He is also 3x dodge and hiding, only 1x in combat maneuvers though. He'll have extra points later on down the road if I ever started playing him again I'd put those into combat maneuvers over twc.

[Viekn]

I have a low level combat rogue who is just 1x in twc, it works fine for me. He is also 3x dodge and hiding, only 1x in combat maneuvers though. He'll have extra points later on down the road if I ever started playing him again I'd put those into combat maneuvers over twc.

So with only 1x in TWC, it's only your off hand that suffers the lower AS, or both end up being lower?

[Donquix]

So with only 1x in TWC, it's only your off hand that suffers the lower AS, or both end up being lower?

http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Two_Weapon_Combat#Attack_Strength

[Viekn]

Ok, here is what I did (not actually, still hypothetical). Took perception down to 1x, took disarm enhancement away, stalk/hide was 9 ranks over 2x, so I brought that down to a flat 2x. This left OHE at a full 2x and TWC just shy of 1.5x. Here is what it looks like, tell me what you think regarding viability to continue to be a picker and effectively use TWC...

Level 48, MTP's: 0 PTP's: 174 0 converted

Skill----------Ranks
Armor--------30
Edged--------100
TWC----------74
CM------------50
Ambush------100
PF------------50
Dodge--------100
Arcane Sym--10
HP-------------4
Spells---------3
Climb---------25
Swim---------10
Disarm-------150
Lock Pick-----150
Stalk/Hide----100
Perception----50

[m444w]

the difference between 1.5x S/H and 2x S/H for a rogue at your level is negligible.

You'll never be able to hide in front of undead, or "animals" with your build, and you can probably even get away with 1.25x vs normal stuff at your age. That will free up around 400 TPs for you to use on upping your TWC or cmans (you should get dervish at least).

I would not personally recommend dropping below 1.5x TWC at your age due to the fact that the majority of creatures you will be hunting in your gap levels (when you are on the younger side of the next hunting area) you will be missing a lot of damage output with your offhand.

[rolfard]

2x hide is sufficient to have some chance at hiding in front of undead/animals at cap. That being said shadowmastery may help in that area and use of spells like blurs and colors will further up your chances.

[Viekn]

I kept trying with the ranged today and I just don't like it. If I go TWC, can I just choose to be out in the open and forgo stalking and hiding all together? That would free up a lot of TP's toward TWC. I can still ambush effectively from the open, correct?

[Lord Orbstar]

yes, and get in full plate asap. I had a rogue in his 70s that did that just fine. at your level...hide and ambush I think unless you can get into MBP

[Viekn]

Ok, tell me what you think about this build then to continue to at least pick my own boxes (level 48) and be effective at TWC...

Level 48, MTP's: 0 PTP's: 141 0 converted

Skill----------Ranks
Armor--------30
Edged--------100
TWC----------99
CM------------50
Ambush------100
PF------------50
Dodge--------125
Arcane Sym--10
HP-------------4
Spells---------4
Climb---------25
Swim---------10
Disarm-------125
Lock Pick-----125
Stalk/Hide----67
Perception----50

I dropped perception to 1x, I dropped disarm/picking from 3x to 2.5x, and I dropped stalk/hide to 67 ranks which is just 17 ranks over 1x. I increased dodging to 2.5x though and was able to get 1 rank shy of 2x in TWC. I did not drop any spell ranks, so I still have lockpick/disarm enhance.

My plan going forward would be to slowly bring my disarm/pick back to 3x by the time I'm having to pick capped boxes. I'd also slowly start to bring back my stalk/hide ranks as well, but I'm fine with not making it a huge priority. Can someone confirm whether I need the 10 ranks of Arcane Symbols? From what I've read it seems 2.5x in disarm is good enough to disarm scarabs without Arcane Symbols. If so, I could get rid of that and put those mental points back in to some of the other stuff I had to decrease.

[Lord Orbstar]

you do not want to only 1x in TWC. 1.75 or 1.8x is fine, but you dont want to "not" swing or have too low AS with your off hand, so keep your TWC up there. You can shave off *some* points, but going 1x is a bad idea.

[Viekn]

you do not want to only 1x in TWC. 1.75 or 1.8x is fine, but you dont want to "not" swing or have too low AS with your off hand, so keep your TWC up there. You can shave off *some* points, but going 1x is a bad idea.

I didn't. It's almost 2x in the above build. He's level 48 and with that build he's got 99 ranks. My biggest concern is the 2.5x pick/disarm. Which I think is fine for now, but would like to get other opinions.

[Palcron]

If your concern is picking, use a fix skill to clear your stats, bring picking/disarm up to 2x and lore up to 404 and then run ;maxlock to see where you stand (with lore active, of course). If you don't know what sort of locks you typically encounter while hunting, stock up on 6 or 8 just to be safe. At 48, even at only 2x, you should be able to get pretty much everything you find.

As far as the above build, if you're going to be ambushing, you can also drop dodge down to 2x and bring hiding closer to 2x. I'm not sure how much hiding you've done, but shadow mastery and vanish are absolute musts for me, so you might want to check those out for CMs. And like I mentioned before, I ran with TWC at 1.5x for quite a while and never had major issues, so even dropping down to 1.75 could free up points without missing too often. And personally, I've never not gone 2x in perception, so the 1x bugs me, but it very well could be fine, just not something I've done.

[Lord Orbstar]

i would rather have MOC than lockpicking as a combat rogue. it really is your decision and character vision. I would ditch lockpicking. being able to multi strike is awesome, but that is really more for open TWC rogues in better armor. If you can get to MBP (AsG 17), you will be golden in the open. then you can drop the stalk and hide too. Otherwise, i would make your hunting style a traditional hider/ambusher. In which case you need to up your perception and stalk and hide to real levels. It is about survivability. You either stand in the open and live due to dodging, casting 410, fast kills and heavy armor or you hide and kill the old fashioned way. I really think TWC precludes serious lockpicking at that level.

[Palcron]

What Orb said. When I swapped to TWC in my early 40's, I dropped picking/disarm/lore entirely until I swapped to range in my early 80's. Doing that put me into full plate at 66 or 67 with more or less maxed combat skills. It makes for a beastly hunting build, but you do lose the convenience of opening your own boxes.

[blanks]

Just a particular question...


What is YOUR goal with the character?


Do you want to hide and ambush? - You don't need TWC for that

Do you want to open hunt? - You don't need Hide/Ambush, and I would recommend getting into MBP fast compared to staying in brig

Do you want to pick for other people? - You can pick 70%+ of your own level box with 2x lockpick/disarm (with self-lore)

What Combat Manuevers are you planning on picking up?



The rogue class is extremely flexible, if you have more specific information, others can give you more beneficial information.





I can't log in the game currently, but my TWC rogue is something along the lines of

1x Armor
2x Edge
2x TWC
2x CM
35 MoC
1x PF
2x Dodge
12 AS
10 HP
40 Climb
24 Swim
2x Lockpick
2x Disarm
2x Perception

Has up to 404.

Swings two waraxes or falchions. Combat manuevers are wspec, dervish, mobility, defense, surge, and side by side.

[Riltus]

With 200 skill (100 ranks) + 25 DEX bonus + vaalin (2.5 mod) + self-lore (~1.28 mod) your max lock will be approximately -720 which is more than sufficient at level 48 for same-level locks.

(200 + 25) * 2.5 * 1.28 = 720

Mark

[Viekn]

So here are my goals for the character:

Hunting – I would like to use hide/ambush as an opening, but after that I don't feel like hiding again. I'd rather just stay in the open and whack 'em.

Lock picking - pick like level boxes for myself and my level boxes or below for others.

Cman - not sure yet, because there are so many available, but definitely dervish if I can work the moc up over time.

[Lord Orbstar]

you will be a jack of all trades style rogue. You want it all. You will nerf yourself. You do not have the training points to do it all. You can always try and learn the lesson the hard way. Just save a few million for a respec. Maybe it will work for you and I am wrong. Once you commit to either being a combat rogue, a magical rogue, a ranged rogue or a ambusher from teh hide, you will be amazed at how much better you are at that chosen style. Trying to dilute your skills to do it all will leave a bad taste in your mouth. Like a dirty rim job.

[Donquix]

you will be a jack of all trades style rogue. You want it all. You will nerf yourself. You do not have the training points to do it all. You can always try and learn the lesson the hard way. Just save a few million for a respec. Maybe it will work for you and I am wrong. Once you commit to either being a combat rogue, a magical rogue, a ranged rogue or a ambusher from teh hide, you will be amazed at how much better you are at that chosen style. Trying to dilute your skills to do it all will leave a bad taste in your mouth. Like a dirty rim job.

that is completely untrue. rogues can do perfectly fine with a diversified skillset.

the current training he already posted completely does everything he just said more than fine, which is the funny part...

take your edit: (not original, the twc one you posted a bit after) training plan, take pick/disarm down to 2x. 2x without lore is fine to pick nearly all of your own boxes already, up until your 70+ then it starts dropping off. With lore, it's even easier.

take dodge down to 2x.

shoot for twc at 1.5x imo, but then i literally want to put a hole through the wall when i get the cannot find opening message.

throw the remaining points in whatever. either more S/H or cm. with a 2x S/H you just have to pick your targets a little more carefully as others mentioned to avoid the highly perceptive (and even then, most of them you can still hunt just fine)

will others be better than you at picking? sure. with 3x and lore you can pick 100% (as opposed to like...90%) over your own boxes and higher. rough guesstimate every 2 levels if 3x you can go a level over so, at level 50 you could do up to the mid/high 60's probably.

will others be better than you at hunting? again, absolutely.

are you completely viable at both hunting and picking? yes.

[Viekn]

So with being 2x in both ohe and TWC, 2.5x in pick/disarm, 2x ambush, 1.5x stalk/hide I will be nerfed? I'm not arguing, but I'd like to understand more about why you think I'd be nerfed if I did that. The 2x ohe and 2x twc are maxed, and from what I can see the 2.5x pick/disarm is enough to get my own level boxes. The only issues I see are my armor being low and cman only being at 1x. And with stalk/hide being almost 1.5x, I would think with my goal of only wanting to remain hidden long enough to get a first strike in, that should be enough.

Please correct me if I'm wrong in my thinking though. I'm in no way trying to compare myself to other rogues. I'm sure that a rogue that fully 2x's in cman and 3x's stalk/hide could kill me, and that a rogue that 3x's perception, disarm, and lockpick could pick a higher lock than me. But if my path means I can kill level 48 critters and pick level 48 boxes, that's good enough for me.

I haven't used my fixstat yet, so please tell me if I'm not thinking about something right here.

Edit: lol, Donquix posted as I was typing this, so I didn't see it

[Donquix]

I wouldn't go under 2x s/h. i say at least 2x or nothing for a rogue on s/h.

so...even if you have problems hunting with any of these training plans, it won't really manifest until a bit later. things are still pretty forgiving for the most part until a bit higher levels. So, even if these training plans ran into any blockers for you it wouldn't be until then. are you planning on getting to say, 70 before may when the annual fixskill is given again? /shrug.

[Lord Orbstar]

Donquix what you say is true, but a rogue that goes "all in" a particular path is gonna shine moreso than "ok" at everything. It depends where his comfort level lies in the acceptance of mediocrity. Viekn, if you are not going to up hunt or power through, then your jack of all trades plan is fine.

[Viekn]

Let me get this one question answered before I keep trying to figure out the build that works best for me: Do I need the 10 ranks of arcane symbols for disarming scarabs (or for some other reason) if I'm at least 2.5x in disarming traps?

[Viekn]

Donquix what you say is true, but a rogue that goes "all in" a particular path is gonna shine moreso than "ok" at everything. It depends where his comfort level lies in the acceptance of mediocrity. Viekn, if you are not going to up hunt or power through, then your jack of all trades plan is fine.

I could give a shit about uphunting, I just don't want to downhunt more than a level or two. Not sure what "power through" means.

[JackWhisper]

It means grind hunting mobs lower than your level at an experience penalty, which takes longer to fry, which is not very awesome.

[Viekn]

It means grind hunting mobs lower than your level at an experience penalty, which takes longer to fry, which is not very awesome.

Ahh, thank you. So I could "power through" with stuff that is as much as a couple levels down, but anymore than that I think would be too much of a grind.

[Viekn]

So the 2 questions I still need help with...

Do I need arcane symbols if I've got at least 2.5x in disarm?

If my plan is to open hunt 85% of the time and hide/ambush the other 15% (if I'm only ambushing from hidden on my first attack, I figured those %'s are roughly accurate) then is 2x dodge enough?

[m444w]

So with being 2x in both ohe and TWC, 2.5x in pick/disarm, 2x ambush, 1.5x stalk/hide I will be nerfed? I'm not arguing, but I'd like to understand more about why you think I'd be nerfed if I did that. The 2x ohe and 2x twc are maxed, and from what I can see the 2.5x pick/disarm is enough to get my own level boxes. The only issues I see are my armor being low and cman only being at 1x. And with stalk/hide being almost 1.5x, I would think with my goal of only wanting to remain hidden long enough to get a first strike in, that should be enough.

Please correct me if I'm wrong in my thinking though. I'm in no way trying to compare myself to other rogues. I'm sure that a rogue that fully 2x's in cman and 3x's stalk/hide could kill me, and that a rogue that 3x's perception, disarm, and lockpick could pick a higher lock than me. But if my path means I can kill level 48 critters and pick level 48 boxes, that's good enough for me.

I haven't used my fixstat yet, so please tell me if I'm not thinking about something right here.

Edit: lol, Donquix posted as I was typing this, so I didn't see it

1.5x S/H works fine. 2x is a complete waste. (I have done 1.5x for the vast majority of my precap career and now have bumped it up to 1.75x because I snipe on occasion)

GS stealth works like this:

There are 2 types of creatures, very perceptive ones, or blind ones.

2x won't be enough to be able to reliably hide in front of perceptive ones (griffins, various undead and other animals like Pinefar)

1.5x is perfectly fine for blind ones, especially if you only want your opener to be an ambush.

If you're going this mixed, but primarily open combat route you will either need to put on heavier armor, or try to eventually get ewave and as near to 3x dodge as you can manage (and stay in lighter armor).

Picking up mstrike would also be useful when you get older.

These are my current skills:


>skills base
Ondreian (at level 96), your base skill bonuses, ranks and goals are:
Skill Name | Actual Actual
| Bonus Ranks Goals In-Game Time to Goal
Two Weapon Combat..................| 241 141 141
Armor Use..........................| 130 35 35
Combat Maneuvers...................| 237 137 137
Edged Weapons......................| 295 195 195
Ranged Weapons.....................| 296 196 196
Ambush.............................| 228 128 128
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 120 30 30
Physical Fitness...................| 214 114 114
Dodging............................| 361 261 261
Arcane Symbols.....................| 93 21 21
Magic Item Use.....................| 35 7 7
Harness Power......................| 102 24 24
Spirit Mana Control................| 0 0 0
Survival...........................| 126 33 33
Disarming Traps....................| 0 0 0
Stalking and Hiding................| 275 175 175
Perception.........................| 292 192 192
Climbing...........................| 140 40 40
Swimming...........................| 140 40 40


Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 10 10

[Ceyrin]

Only 4 more to go, O.

[Viekn]

Ok, so I think I got this mofo...


Skill----------Ranks
Armor--------80 MBP! baby
Edged--------100 2x max!
TWC----------100 2x max!
CM------------50 1x
MOC----------5 ranks!
Ambush------100 2x
PF------------50 1x
Dodge--------100 2x
Arcane Sym--10
HP-------------4
Spells---------4 disarm/pick lores
Climb---------25
Swim---------10
Disarm-------100 2x
Lock Pick-----100 2x
Stalk/Hide----75 1.5x
Perception----100 2x

Other than a bit of a lack from more CM, my AS is maxed with 2x OHE and 2x TWC.
I got my armor up so I can immediately move to metal breast plate.
With 2x pick/disarm, PLUS self cast pick/disarm lores, I should be able to get most of my own boxes plus my 33 wizard and 21 bard
Perception stays at 2x, which is sufficient.
Stalk/hide is 1.5x, which should be enough for me to hide not IN FRONT OF undead, but be hidden and ambush as a first attack.
I was even able to add 5 ranks of MOC.

Going forward, my priorities on increasing things will be:
1. CM
2. pick/disarm to get to 3x hopefully by cap, if not, maybe a bit post cap
2. MOC to 30 ranks
3. Armor to plate

Unless anyone spots any glaring issues, I think I'm going to go with this. Let me know. And I know I've already said it, but I appreciate everyone's input immensely.

[blanks]

Looks solid.

[Androidpk]

Why only 1x in PF?

[Viekn]

Why only 1x in PF?

That wasn't necessarily a conscious choice. It's just what it ended up having to be because of everything else being a priority. I think to do everything else I want PLUS to do more than 1x PF is unrealistic. If I haven't maxed out my HP's (just haven't run the numbers, not sure if I have or not), I will eventually anyway. The only other reason to do more than 1x would be to help with creature maneuvers. I think at this point I'll take my chance at either dodging the maneuver as is or absorbing whatever damage actually gets through. While being more than 1x would definitely be preferable, I'm just now willing to sacrifice the other areas that I think are more important.

[Rhovan]

You can also drop perception down to 1x. Just keep 402 up while you are disarming. I doubt you'd ever miss anything around your level or below.

[Lord Orbstar]

I forget what you need in Arcane in order to disarm scarabs and shit.. I would look that up and make your decision based on that. Spell burst is not an issue for you now, but yo ustill want to do scarabs

[m444w]

Only 4 more to go, O.
I know! But I'm losing steam... maybe another year and I'll be there

[Neovik1]

I forget what you need in Arcane in order to disarm scarabs and shit.. I would look that up and make your decision based on that. Spell burst is not an issue for you now, but yo ustill want to do scarabs

I can't remember exactly but it is pretty low. Between 10-20... Thinking 10 for some reason. I never had an issue with that many ranks for the longest time

[Viekn]

So I fixskilled to be TWC. I'm fully 2x edged and TWC and my stalk/hide is fine for what I need it at. My only issue is that I've played nothing but a pure wizard since I came back in February and I guess I have no idea how to play a weapon user.

At 48, my DS in offensive is 180 something and my AS in offensive is 308 with a 5x blade. That's with 4x mbp. That low of a DS in offensive seems to be causing some issues. That's with silveries, brights and brills plus signs of warding, defending and shields. So far, I've tried hunting stone sentinel's (I've got a bounty for them) and Kiramon in Darkstone. It'd be one thing if I pretty much chopped heads or legs off every time, but especially if there's more than one of something in a room, I'm getting hit while in full offensive and it's not working. Am I doing something wrong? One of the reasons I switched from ranged/sniping to TWC was because I've never really liked ranged and have always liked TWC. But another reason was that when trying to snipe, eventually I'd end up becoming unhidden anyway and I'd get swung at by something swinging at 250 something while I was 180 DS and I'd get stunned and eventually hacked to death.

If I stay TWC, is there something I need to do to better survive?
Am I expecting too much to think that I shouldn't need every spell in the book to be able to survive?
If I went back to ranged, should I try to increase my stalk/hide so that I'm not becoming unhidden so often when trying to snipe?
Or do that plus try to increase my dodging so as not to take hits so often?
If my DS is what is hurting me, should I just say fuck it and go sword and board? That seems a bit boring but willing to do that if it's the better tactical way to go.
As far as other plans for this character, I only want him to open boxes at or below his level. I know that once I cap I'll need more pick/disarm, but for now I'm sure what I have his fine.

Here are my stats and skills now...(just for reference, further below are what my skills were before I fix-skilled)

Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus----------Ranks
Two Weapon Combat..................| 200-----100
Armor Use..........................| 180----------80
Combat Maneuvers...................| 150----------50
Edged Weapons......................| 200----------100
Ambush.............................| 200----------100
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 25----------5
Physical Fitness...................| 150----------50
Dodging............................| 200----------100
Arcane Symbols.....................| 50----------10
Harness Power......................| 20----------4
Disarming Traps....................| 200----------100
Picking Locks......................| 200----------100
Stalking and Hiding................| 175----------75
Perception.........................| 200----------100
Climbing...........................| 105----------25
Swimming...........................| 50----------10

Normal (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 96 (23)
Constitution (CON): 75 (7)
Dexterity (DEX): 96 (33)
Agility (AGI): 99 (29)
Discipline (DIS): 87 (8)
Aura (AUR): 80 (25)
Logic (LOG): 76 (13)
Intuition (INT): 91 (25)
Wisdom (WIS): 68 (14)
Influence (INF): 51 (-5)

Here are what my skills were before I fixskilled:

Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus----------Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 120----------30
Combat Maneuvers...................| 150----------50
Ranged Weapons.....................| 200----------100
Ambush.............................| 200----------100
Physical Fitness...................| 150----------50
Dodging............................| 200----------100
Arcane Symbols.....................| 50----------10
Harness Power......................| 20----------4
Disarming Traps....................| 250----------150
Picking Locks......................| 250----------150
Stalking and Hiding................| 209----------109
Perception.........................| 200----------100
Climbing...........................| 105-----------25
Swimming...........................| 50----------10

[Rhovan]

I'm tired, but I don't see anything you are missing with your training. 2x dodging in 5x mbp should let you take some hits. If you want to avoid all damage, you need to move on unless a critter is alone. Otherwise your choices are to invest heavily to get whirling dervish, have plenty of stamina and maneuver points for vanish, or use divert.

[ZeP]

Ok, tell me what you think about this build then to continue to at least pick my own boxes (level 48) and be effective at TWC...

Level 48, MTP's: 0 PTP's: 141 0 converted

Skill----------Ranks
Armor--------30
Edged--------100
TWC----------99
CM------------50
Ambush------100
PF------------50
Dodge--------125
Arcane Sym--10
HP-------------4
Spells---------4
Climb---------25
Swim---------10
Disarm-------125
Lock Pick-----125
Stalk/Hide----67
Perception----50

I dropped perception to 1x, I dropped disarm/picking from 3x to 2.5x, and I dropped stalk/hide to 67 ranks which is just 17 ranks over 1x. I increased dodging to 2.5x though and was able to get 1 rank shy of 2x in TWC. I did not drop any spell ranks, so I still have lockpick/disarm enhance.

My plan going forward would be to slowly bring my disarm/pick back to 3x by the time I'm having to pick capped boxes. I'd also slowly start to bring back my stalk/hide ranks as well, but I'm fine with not making it a huge priority. Can someone confirm whether I need the 10 ranks of Arcane Symbols? From what I've read it seems 2.5x in disarm is good enough to disarm scarabs without Arcane Symbols. If so, I could get rid of that and put those mental points back in to some of the other stuff I had to decrease.

Get the 10 arcane symbols ranks. My capped rogue has 15.

[Androidpk]

Learn to stance dance and use a lower level tier like advance or forward.

[Kalishar]

Stance dance, and as a rogue get used to leaving the room when dealing with multiple critters (in most situations).

[Viekn]

Bump. Going to be testing out these strategies over the next couple of days but will welcome any other thoughts people have as well. Thanks.

[Jeril]

One on one situations is what you want as other people have said unless vanish works well enough or the creatures are slow enough. As a rogue you don't quite stance dance like most other people. Hide, wait for creature to do something(usually try to find you), go offensive, ambush, back to defensive when rt is up, then loot/re-hide/whatever as needed. I have fun with TWC myself for a warrior character I go full 2x but for my rogue I went with 1x. I know I am going to miss with that offhand and somewhat often but as a rogue you shouldn't need that offhand to land nearly as often either.

[kutter]

Drop perception to 1.5, my rogue is 60 trains and with that he sees traps he has no chance of getting. Maybe even a little lower but you may have to play with it some to find the sweet spot, I just like 1.5 because I am lazy and the math is easy and it builds in a little cushion. My rogue is also TWC, he is doubled in OHE and TWC and wears either chain or MBP depending on what he hunts, He either swings wakizash/wakizashi or Handaxe/wakizashi, most things do not last more than one hit. If you can swing it, feint is a good opener then hide and ambush or I just sweep and then hide and ambush.