Enchanting Levels

[Versin]

What is the consensus on the appropriate level to start the various major projects for a generic enchanting build (1x Wiz / 2x Spell, 1x MIU/AS, +20 bonuses)

5x - 25?
6x - 40?
7x - 60?
fusion - 75?

Thanks!

[kutter]

I think 7 would be possible before that with that build, I am working on one at 50, one cast to go right now with no issues so far. As for fusion, not even close with that build, you need 150 ranks of MIU to guarantee to not fail the pre-temper pour, so 75 is possible with 2X MIU otherwise you will be failing pre-temper pours, which reportedly are not cheap. I could not say since I am not there yet.

[Trouble]

60 for 7x works for a runestaff style training path.

[Geijon Khyree]

Experience

25 for 5x
37 for 6x
52 for 7x

I think you need 160 MIU just to pour for fusion.

75th for 5x fusion
82-90th for 6x fusion
100+ cap for 7x fusion

The fusion is from what I've gathered. Mileage may vary, but this is with similar training as discussed and in general for the most part.

[Jeril]

Experience

25 for 5x
37 for 6x
52 for 7x

I think you need 160 MIU just to pour for fusion.

75th for 5x fusion
82-90th for 6x fusion
100+ cap for 7x fusion

The fusion is from what I've gathered. Mileage may vary, but this is with similar training as discussed and in general for the most part.

You need about 160 ranks to pour 100% of the time but if you are willing to put up with failures on the pours you could start enchanting fusion sooner then that. Material is also a lot more important when doing fusion. As for just how early you could do fusion, I don't think anyone has done any extensive testing of the limits.

[DaCapn]

Not sure what makes that an enchanting build. What is "spell?" What is "+20 bonuses?"

For non-critical projects, my personal minimum skill set rule of thumb for non-fusion is the final bonus in wizard ranks (i.e 25, 30, 35) and twice that for fusion. This is with a bolting build: 1x HP (higher at lower levels), 2x SA/MIU/AS, ~0.75x wiz, 1x EMC/MjE/MnE.

I've done 3 recent 6x enchants (final step on the 4th project) without incident with a level 45 wizard with 32 in wizard base. I had some minor 6x fusion temper reset troubles on a level 75 wizard with about 55 in wizard base. Now above 60 wizard ranks, I've done two 6x fusion projects without issue. Haven't done 7x fusion yet. That said, I paid someone else to do the 6x enchant on my 3-slot fusion bow.

Recent success stories aside, I started enchanting with those rules of thumb and have completed many other non-fusion 5x, 6x, and 7x projects.

[caelric]

Successfully did a 7x enchantment on a blink weapon last week, 63rd level, 62 wiz ranks, 63 minor ele, 40 major ele, 2x in SA/MIU/AS, 50 ranks EMC

It's my pocket wizard and the goal is 75th level, so I can have 100% success on pre temper for fusion weapons.

[kutter]

I think there is another thread discussing this, but here is my first 7X with my wizard:


>inf
Name: Race: Half-Elf Profession: Wizard (not shown)
Gender: Male Age: 0 Expr: 2650999 Level: 51
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 93 (21) ... 93 (21)
Constitution (CON): 92 (21) ... 92 (21)
Dexterity (DEX): 83 (21) ... 83 (21)
Agility (AGI): 90 (30) ... 90 (30)
Discipline (DIS): 89 (14) ... 89 (14)
Aura (AUR): 83 (16) ... 89 (19)
Logic (LOG): 84 (17) ... 86 (18)
Intuition (INT): 84 (17) ... 84 (17)
Wisdom (WIS): 85 (17) ... 85 (17)
Influence (INF): 62 (11) ... 62 (11)
Mana: 5 Silver: 0
>skil base
(at level 51), your base skill bonuses, ranks and goals are:
Skill Name | Actual Actual
| Bonus Ranks Goals In-Game Time to Goal
Armor Use..........................| 20 4 4
Physical Fitness...................| 151 51 51
Arcane Symbols.....................| 194 94 94
Magic Item Use.....................| 194 94 94
Spell Aiming.......................| 206 106 106
Harness Power......................| 153 53 53
Elemental Mana Control.............| 151 51 51
Elemental Lore - Air...............| 102 24 24
Perception.........................| 151 51 51
Climbing...........................| 105 25 25
Swimming...........................| 90 20 20

Spell Lists
Major Elemental....................| 40 40

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 40 40

Spell Lists
Wizard.............................| 51 51

[gs4-PauperSid]

Heres my first attempt to pour Ayveneh potion for whatever it's worth. . .

1d100: 31 + Modifiers: 97 == 128

Was a 4x-5x fusion pour.

Sidmik soakai Race: Half-Elf Profession: Wizard (shown as: Enchanter)
Gender: Male Age: 165 Expr: 4659438 Level: 72
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 66 (8) ... 66 (8)
Constitution (CON): 65 (7) ... 65 (7)
Dexterity (DEX): 98 (29) ... 98 (29)
Agility (AGI): 95 (32) ... 95 (32)
Discipline (DIS): 100 (20) ... 100 (20)
Aura (AUR): 100 (25) ... 105 (27)
Logic (LOG): 100 (25) ... 105 (27)
Intuition (INT): 83 (16) ... 83 (16)
Wisdom (WIS): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Influence (INF): 71 (15) ... 71 (15)
Mana: 232 Silver: 0
>skill
Sidmik (at level 72), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 25 5
Shield Use.........................| 174 74
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 50 10
Physical Fitness...................| 174 74
Arcane Symbols.....................| 248 148
Magic Item Use.....................| 248 148
Spell Aiming.......................| 248 148
Harness Power......................| 173 73
Elemental Mana Control.............| 175 75
Elemental Lore - Fire..............| 50 10
Survival...........................| 173 73
Perception.........................| 173 73
Climbing...........................| 150 50
Swimming...........................| 150 50
First Aid..........................| 173 73

Spell Lists
Major Elemental....................| 54

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 36

Spell Lists
Wizard.............................| 68
(Use SKILLS BASE to display unmodified ranks and goals)

[rolfard]

Wouldn't hurt to add INT and LOG enhancives before your pour. Finding a +40 to INT set is probably the easiest early on.

[DaCapn]

The formula for the pour roll is on KP.