My prediction

With all the non-stop flaming, objectivity and demeaning posts, it is my prediction that a new set of guidelines will be introduced to those who wish to violate the higher forces' ruling on certain matters.

That is all, Stanley.

[Stunseed]

I agree with the Stan Man here.

[Drew2]

[Edited on 10-8-2004 by Tayre]

[Drew2]

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[Latrinsorm]

He has a Mexican stalker? :D

[Stunseed]

I imagine Kranar just thought Tayre was washing his windows like always.

[Drew2]

[Edited on 10-8-2004 by Tayre]

[Axhinde]

Oh no, let's not force people to be civil. The humanity!!!

[HarmNone]

Heh. It's a damned shame some people have to be FORCED to be civil, isn't it? :rolleyes:

[Drew2]

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[Drew2]

[Edited on 10-8-2004 by Tayre]

[Axhinde]

There may be a time in all of our lives, when our careers and family depend on "Taking it up the ass", for lack of a better term, by being civil to someone who just doesn't deserve it. It's called life, get used to it. If we don't, none of us will go very far in life at all.

[HarmNone]

It is not your decision how people are "allowed to be" on these forums, Tayre. It is Kranar's decision.

[4a6c1]

Originally posted by Axhinde
Oh no, let's not force people to be civil. The humanity!!!

:no:

It might....hurt.

[Drew2]

[Edited on 10-8-2004 by Tayre]

[Bobmuhthol]

<<It is not your decision how people are "allowed to be" on these forums, Tayre. It is Kranar's decision.>>

For all the people that pull this line, zero of them acknowledge the fact that moderators are given the power to do their job as they see fit.

[AkMan]

This is Kranar's house. Kranar is nice enough to let us party here. When stuff starts getting trashed, I'd say it's time to do some housecleaning.

[Drew2]

[Edited on 10-8-2004 by Tayre]

[SpunGirl]

I can't find the new rules and regulations. Someone point me in that direction so I can have an opinion, plz.

-K

[Drew2]

[Edited on 10-8-2004 by Tayre]

[SpunGirl]

No, I wasn't trying to disguise anything, I just figured I wasn't "in the know" yet. I do feel that people act in a hypocritical fashion sometimes, and that some of those people are moderators. I'm sure I've done it myself at times, too - but I'm not the one formulating new rules or anything. So I guess we'll see.

-K

[Chadj]

Wow, Tayre is totally winning, and is mostly correct.

However, I have a feeling that it will make little difference.

[Back]

You misspelled whining, Chadj. <--- shamlessly stolen from someone else on the boards.

Tayre is still a tool. You could always cancel your subscription.

[Drew2]

[Edited on 10-8-2004 by Tayre]

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Backlash
You misspelled whining, Chadj. <--- shamlessly stolen from someone else on the boards.Nieninque (directed at [I think] Chadj who was talking about me).

[Jorddyn]

Originally posted by Tayre
You're damn fucking right.

The world isn't fucking rainbows and butterflies.


No, but if Kranar wants his boards to be rainbows and butterflies, or perhaps just clouds and caterpillars, he can certainly request that his moderators make it that way.

To what cost, you ask? What is he losing if he loses you (general you) as a poster? I see no advertising on this site, and I've yet to receive a bill for posting here.

Jorddyn

[Drew2]

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[Jorddyn]

Originally posted by Tayre
How about we let Kranar decide what Kranar wants/thinks?

That sounds super to me.

Until he does so, stop using that lame argument.

Sounds to me like he already has decided.

Jorddyn

[Drew2]

[Edited on 10-8-2004 by Tayre]

[Back]

So you want to wreck hell and havoc on anyone you can huh? You’ve been at this all day. Dosen’t sound like it was a good one. Sorry to hear it, and sorry to say you aren’t going to fuck up my good one.

[Tsa`ah]

There's a very simple solution to all of this.

Adhere to TOS
Stop acting like a jackass
Don't cry in U2Us or start threads about over zealous mods.

Ultimately it's the person posting who determines an edit or deletion.

Suck it up and behave, if you don't then you have but two options.

Throw a temper tantrum and show your ass ... I've got plenty of U2Us displaying this. Or ... Stop posting.

This is a very very simple thing, it just speaks volumes about the people that can't do it.

[Edited on 10-8-2004 by Tsa`ah]

[Drew2]

[Edited on 10-8-2004 by Tayre]

[HarmNone]

Tayre, your post was referring to a post that was no longer there. It was no longer there because Warclaidhm deleted the content, leaving the post empty, and I deleted the empty post. Now, for you to paraphrase what he said is not acceptable. How does anyone know that's even what he said?

In short, you cannot reference a post that isn't there, and you cannot post "for" someone else which is, in this case, what you were doing. You were posting "for" Warclaidhm by giving your, admittedly imperfect ( "along the lines of" ) , impression of what he said. It's really not rocket science.

[Edited on 10-8-2004 by HarmNone]

[Drew2]

[Edited on 10-8-2004 by Tayre]

[Tsa`ah]

No Tayre. I think you are not understanding something here.

When a post is deleted, be it by a mod or the original poster, posts in reference to the deletion are then off topic.

It would be one thing if the post had been there for a while, but this is not the case. Paraphrased or not, you were commenting on subject matter that was no longer there.

You can say HN and myself are wrong till you're blue in the face, it doesn't make it so.

[GSLeloo]

Originally posted by Tayre


The world isn't fucking rainbows and butterflies.


Pardon the randomness... for some reason i saw that and swore you took it from the maroon 5 song.

[Drew2]

[Edited on 10-8-2004 by Tayre]

[GSLeloo]

I saw the line and my head went "it's not always rainbows and butterflies it's compromise that sees us along (something like that)"

[Scott]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
No Tayre. I think you are not understanding something here.

When a post is deleted, be it by a mod or the original poster, posts in reference to the deletion are then off topic.

It would be one thing if the post had been there for a while, but this is not the case. Paraphrased or not, you were commenting on subject matter that was no longer there.

You can say HN and myself are wrong till you're blue in the face, it doesn't make it so.

Unless I missed something, I don't see anywhere in TOS where is states you aren't allowed to do that. A post was deleted by the POSTER, not a MOD. If I make a post and people rip me apart on it in a minute, I can delete it and every post that is based on that post is deleted?

[Drew2]

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[Drew2]

[Edited on 10-8-2004 by Tayre]

[GSLeloo]

I had a post deleted but it was off topic and not deleted out of malice so I didn't mind. I think until it starts doing things like... I go "I hate Teeoncy" and HN goes "OMG I LUV TEEONCY SO I WILL EDIT THAT BITCH" then everything is fine. In some ways the board is too moderated and in others it's under moderated, it's really just about the situation that is going on at the moment.

[Hulkein]

I agree with Sintik and Tayre. I have seen countless times before a post being deleted by the PERSON and the subsequent quoted posts staying.

In fact I believe I once read from a mod 'just because the poster doesn't like the way a thread they posted in/created turned out doesn't mean it is the mods place to delete the aftermath of what was said.' Something along those lines.

[HarmNone]

The problem was that I deleted the empty post. There was no post to respond to. Once a post has been deleted by a moderator, someone not the original poster cannot come in and quote, or paraphrase, the post that was deleted. It's not there. It's gone.

A secondary problem develops if...let's say I post something, have second thoughts and delete the post. Somebody else comes along and says he/she read the post and "this is what HarmNone said". How do we know that's "what HarmNone said"? The post made by HarmNone is gone. There's not even an empty post left. There's nothing. Would you want someone else coming along and putting up a post saying YOU said something? I don't think so.

Now, if the post had been there awhile, as Tsa`ah said, that would be a different story, and was true in the case of the Klaive thread that was mentioned above. That was not the case here. In the interests of being fair, I won't leave up a post that purports itself to say what someone else said and deleted. It would not be fair to do so, and most posters would not want it done to them.

[SpunGirl]

Originally posted by Hulkein
'just because the poster doesn't like the way a thread they posted in/created turned out doesn't mean it is the mods place to delete the aftermath of what was said.'

Not only was this said, but it is a good philosophy, IMO.

-K

[Drew2]

[Edited on 10-8-2004 by Tayre]

[imported_Kranar]

<< With all the non-stop flaming, objectivity and demeaning posts, it is my prediction that a new set of guidelines will be introduced to those who wish to violate the higher forces' ruling on certain matters. >>

This is true. Unfortunately there are far too many violations that occur that our current methodology of sticking to the spirit of the TOS rather than focusing on technicalities has failed.

Thus, a far more robust and mechanical violation system is being formulated. This way, we can keep exact track of the violations that occur, what the penalties for them are, and instead of going by the spirit of the TOS, there will be a detailed set of rules that will only ever expand as time goes by and only posts that explicitely violate one of those rules will count towards an official forum violation.

It is still my hope and intention that 99 percent of registered members will have no need to worry about any new violation system and will continue using common sense when posting.

[longshot]

Where do I fit in with all this?

Leloo blows dead puppies in the moonlight

[Nieninque]

Tayre youre a fucking hypocrite.
You advocate for free speech when it suits you. When you want to be horrendously insulting to someone its good to have free speech.
At those times you call people who object or moderate "Bleeding hearts" yet you forget the fact that it's those bleeding hearts who give you the freedom to express who you are.
If it wasnt for people saying "there are some things that should not be said" you would be firmly entrenched in the closet. And lets not forget that in your days as a mod on Psinet you were slamming people who were homophobic on OOC.
You dont get it both ways. Moderators have worked for you on the boards, on psinet and in your real life. You forget that when you start throwing your hissy fits and, just the same as they protect you from the shit that idiots may want to throw at you because you are gay, they need to do the same to protect other people who for whatever reason are targetted needlessly by some tosser with nothing better to do than be nasty to people.
Give it up, it's fucking boring.

[Edaarin]

If you disagree with the way the boards are moderated, no one's forcing you to read or post here.

I don't always agree with Tsa'ah, but I've never had a problem having any of my posts being edited. I've probably had fewer than 5 edited ever since the reinception of the boards a year and a half ago. No one can accuse me of sugarcoating anything, either.

If you are having a problem with having a lot of your posts edited, maybe the problem's with the content of your posts. Again, I've never had a problem with any of my posts and I've said some stupid, sexist, occasionally racist shit.

It also seems that it's the same people that have this problem (i.e., you and Bobmuhthol, Tayre). You're being naive if you think moderators are unbiased. I'll freely admit I was a biased moderator. I saw TOS as the floor concerning how you should post. Strive to be above that level while posting. Finding rules and loopholes to show off your cleverness is such an immature thing to do.

[Edited on 10-8-2004 by Edaarin]

[SpunGirl]

Actually, considering what Kranar has to say, I don't see the problem. It seems to me like he's limiting the discretion of his moderators and implementing a hard and fast system of "rules" concerning what constitutes a violation or not. Those rules, I have to assume, would apply to everyone - no matter who you are or if you think people want to "pick" on you.

Doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me.

-K

[Tsa`ah]

A majority of people won't have any more problem with it than they did with discretion.

I think if you had a problem with discretion before ... it's probably not going to be something you want to see.

Kranar and Tsa are the fucking man, man.

Oops, I dun said it, now what.

[Parkbandit]

I remember seeing this same discussion on "the spot" Unofficial Gemstone III message boards at one time... when they were semi-popular.

Rules were enacted by the site admin and it became an absolute ghost board.

I don't think I've ever had a post of mine deleted or a warning sent my way.. but I certainly don't want to worry about what I post or how I post it either. As long as it's reasonable and not completely overbearing as it stops the traffic and posting.. then have at it.

It's a VERY fine line though between censorship and message board control. If I feel I'm being censored.. I will simply find elsewhere to post. My hope is that this doesn't become like The Spot or the Official message boards. I don't visit either of them for a reason.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Tayre


These boards will become a garbage heap of politics and "OH MY GOD BECKY I TOTALLY BOUGHT A NEW DRESS TODAY". With a sprinkle of GS information here and there.




Thats all these boards are anyway, and its been coming to this point for well over a year now. Look at todays posts. Count how many are GS related and NOT flame wars. The number is tiny compared to Off Topic and Social. Half of that is bullshit ass kissing or flaming as well.

[Brattt8525]

Originally posted by StrayRogue

Originally posted by Tayre


These boards will become a garbage heap of politics and "OH MY GOD BECKY I TOTALLY BOUGHT A NEW DRESS TODAY". With a sprinkle of GS information here and there.




Thats all these boards are anyway, and its been coming to this point for well over a year now. Look at todays posts. Count how many are GS related and NOT flame wars. The number is tiny compared to Off Topic and Social. Half of that is bullshit ass kissing or flaming as well.

:yeahthat:

[SpunGirl]

IMO, these boards go through stages, good and bad, lots of flame wars, lots of love-fests, and periods where there's not much going on at all. If I'm not interested in what I'm currently seeing, I just don't post as much. No big deal.

-K

[Brattt8525]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
IMO, these boards go through stages, good and bad, lots of flame wars, lots of love-fests, and periods where there's not much going on at all. If I'm not interested in what I'm currently seeing, I just don't post as much. No big deal.

-K

Very true Spun, this is a great place most of the time. A few bad apples do spoil the bunch tho.

It is nice to be able to speak freely about most anything we want, it is sad when a few people ruin it.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Edaarin
Finding rules and loopholes to show off your cleverness is such an immature thing to do.The question is, are you talking about Tayre or Harmnone?

[DeV]

It also seems that it's the same people that have this problem (i.e., you and Bobmuhthol, Tayre).

[Drew2]

[Edited on 10-8-2004 by Tayre]