Is Money the most important thing in life (NOW)

[Psykos]

Answer. Thanks.

I predict that many people will vote "No - I have it". Even though its a lie.

Psykos

[Psykos]

If its not, please reply what is, and why.

Thanks.

[Xcalibur]

It is the most important thing in life as you need it to have children nowadays.

No money no candy no family nothing.

Rest is just details:D

[Hulkein]

No, it's not even close.

Good relationships with friends and family is.

[Psykos]

Originally posted by Hulkein
No, it's not even close.

Good relationships with friends and family is.

These cannot exist without money.

[Xcalibur]

Nor that good relations won't put you breads on your table, put you a roof bellow you, a car to travel, a tv to laugh, a computer to play, et cetera.

[Brattt8525]

Money, while nice, does not make life any "better" only much more tolerable. I have lived from having more money then I knew what to do with, to watching every penny.

I am very comfortable now, but not back to what I was. That being said, I have come to realize that it's the people around you, your kids, and how you value your self as a person is what really matters.

[Xcalibur]

Lose your job, get a 100k debt because of an accident and so on. Your life will be miserable.

I agree that it's not a necessity, but you need a certain minimum to be happy.

Everyone's minimum, is of course, subjective.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Psykos

Originally posted by Hulkein
No, it's not even close.

Good relationships with friends and family is.

These cannot exist without money.

Hulk's got it right and what do you mean they can't exist without money?

I have to disagree. I've been on both ends with children and wife. After college, and while my wife went on to grad school, we lived in a two bedroom apartment. The bedrooms were the size of closets; the bathroom had just a toilet and shower stall. The sink and mirror were actually in our bedroom. The kitchen and living room were one and the same. We had to deal with roaches, leaking pipes, loud neighbors and public transportation because we couldn't afford our insurance premiums or gas for the car. No air in the summer, poor heat in the winter, and every so often we had hot water that was actually hot. All this and a child, soon to be two with one income of 21k a year.

And guess what, I was happy. My family was far more important than cable, movies on Friday night, or any of the "extras" that I wanted at the time.

Even though I'm unemployed at the moment, the wife and I could literally go out and buy a quarter million dollar home and not have to worry about a mortgage. We could close on the home and still have a nice chunk of money to shove away or even buy a couple of very nice sports or luxury cars.

Am I happier now than I was then? Not at all. My family makes me happy, not my cash. Always has and always will.

[GSLeloo]

I'd say money is very important. My mom just broke her elbow so she won't be working for a while and while it's fine at the moment, we realize things are gonna get hard soon when we truly notice the loss of her income. Having money allows you to at least feel secure in that aspect.

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Tsa'ah's post

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[Edited on 7-10-04 by Nieninque]

anyone who says money is the root of all evil clearly doesn't have any.

[Chyrain]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
anyone who says money is the root of all evil clearly doesn't have any.

anyone who says that money is the root of all evil clearly doesn't know what the original quote is.

the LOVE of money is the root of all evil. loving money more than you family is evil.

i make really good cash, my husband makes six figures...money is sure as hell important. but all the money in the world couldn't fix what was wrong with our marriage...so it is not the most important.

[SpunGirl]

I don't know, the biggest fights Jake and I had in our first few months of marriage (as well as the two years we lived together in college) were over money.

Once he landed his teaching job and I found my job, we started making a lot more money and fighting about our finances a lot less. That said, I'm sure that if we weren't willing to work at our marriage and and if we didn't care about each other/want to be together, no amount of money would fix problems, as Brattt said.

Having money won't make your life perfect or solve problems, but it sure can alleviate a big source of stress.

-K

[SpunGirl]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
put you a roof bellow you

wtf kind of house are you living in?

-K

[Psykos]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
I don't know, the biggest fights Jake and I had in our first few months of marriage (as well as the two years we lived together in college) were over money.

Once he landed his teaching job and I found my job, we started making a lot more money and fighting about our finances a lot less. That said, I'm sure that if we weren't willing to work at our marriage and and if we didn't care about each other/want to be together, no amount of money would fix problems, as Brattt said.

Having money won't make your life perfect or solve problems, but it sure can alleviate a big source of stress.

-K

Marriage counselor = $2000
Porno with entertainment system = $5000

Which brings more happiness?

Exactly.

[SpunGirl]

Wow, thanks for demonstrating your extremely mature and thoughtful outlook on relationships. I'll make sure to call you next time I need advice on handling a problem.

-K

[4a6c1]

Money is needed for life. Life cannot continue on a comfortable level without money. Happiness is irrelevent because it can be faked and the definition of true happiness is not always clear.

In other words, I am a fan of the dollar and finding happiness is not as important as living my life.

Nice poll. Im not telling my vote. :D

[Latrinsorm]

<3 Spun.

Is being rich more comfortable than being poor? Yes.
Is being rich a necessity for being happy? No.
Is being rich a guaranteed method of being happy? No.
If you're not fulfilled, what's the point?

Seems simple enough to me.

[Souzy]

It is important and then again it's not what you should base your life on. Hey, we all gotta pay bills right? So yeah, you need moola. If anyone says, they can be broke and happy just as long as they have that significant other, BS! You're significant other will leave your broke ass if they're supporting you 24-7 and I mean TWENTY FOUR SEVEN. People just need to know the boundaries to not being a bum and knowing your responsabilities. Other than that, I'm good with a stable job, wonderful friends and family, thus I am content. :)

[Back]

Look at it this way. Would you rather spend six months on a deserted island with a million cash, or with a loved one?

Money is not neccessary to life in general. Squirrels do just fine. It is a human construct, an abstract. It only has value because our culture adopted it as a credit/barter system. Of course, now, as in deep as we are with it, it is neccessary in our culture. But why does money have value in the first place?

Services and goods are traded for money. Work is what drives it. Someone said a healthy mind wants to work. You aren’t going to get anywhere if you don’t work even if there was no such thing as money.

Work is important. Friends and family are important. Money is an illusory way for people to say I am better than you are.

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by Backlash
Look at it this way. Would you rather spend six months on a deserted island with a million cash, or with a loved one?

Gimme the million, because when the 6 months are over I still got the jack, and it's a deserted island so I didn't spend any, and I got a long time to spend with loved ones after.

Lemme tell you something. I've been dirt poor. I've been so poor a friend took pity on me and bought me lunches at college because she was tired of not seeing eat, ever. There was a whole month I ate rice twice a day because a 20 lb sack cost $2, and I could get 4 lbs of tomatos for a buck so I had a tomato a day, and I was dancing around trying to keep the utilities from being cut off, and I washed my clothes in the sink because it meant I didn't put quarters in the machine across the hall. The treat for the whole week was baking my own bread Sundays because those fresh baked loaves were so good, and I ate half of it that night.

It's the worst feeling, not being able to go anywhere or do anything and feeling like you're the shit loser of the world. It frigging eats away at your guts and you know you ain't a real man any more.

Now things are okay. I got my business and I'm making good jack. I know I'm pulling my weight and I'm not a leech on my kin and friends.

So I got to say that money is important and anyone who says otherwise never had to go without.

[Ravenstorm]

The questions isn't if money is important. It's if money is THE MOST important thing in life.

I'll have to say no for most of the reasons already discussed.

Raven

[4a6c1]

<Galleazzo's post>

Exactly. If money is an abstract to you, try living without it. Live. Not be happy. Just live.

The point is, you need money to survive. It makes for a better existance. All hippy notions and fantasies of living like squirrels aside, of course.

:lol:

[Hulkein]

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No one said money wasn't important. It's just not the most important, which is what the question is.

[DeV]

Family and friends will be there for you when your broke, and they will be there for you when your stable. They are the most important. Money probably falls second in line.

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by JihnasSpirit
...you need money to survive

Very true. You need money to survive.

But you need much, much more than that to live.

Raven

[Faent]

>>Very true. You need money to survive.

No, you do not need money to survive. You need food and water to survive, and depending on where you are trying to survive, perhaps some shelter. Money is not required for any of those things.

-Scott

[Edaarin]

Money buys happiness.

I'm a firm believer in this.

[Brattt8525]

Originally posted by Edaarin
Money buys happiness.

I'm a firm believer in this.

It will rent it, not buy it.

Money is the most important thing in life. It can buy you everything.

- Arkans

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Edaarin
Money buys happiness.

I'm a firm believer in this.

Well, look who the hell decided to grace us with his presence.

About fucking time. Where the hell have you been?

[Myshel]

Money doesn't buy happiness, I know some very rich people who are very unhappy, it just makes being a asshole easier.

[Miss X]

I hate the whole concept of money, but of course I live in a society where it basically controls everything.

I like having nice things and being comfortable, I wish everyone had the same level of comfort and the same tools with which to achieve this. They don't.

I'm sure if I had no money I would be more unhappy as my situation would be difficult, however I have people that love me and they love me rich or poor. They are the most important thing, they are what keeps me going. I just love being alive and being part of the world, fuck money. It's not like rich people don't die and rot away like poor people.

[Xcalibur]

Money exists since men stoped being nomade and became sedentaire.

As all things in life, it's good to a point until it become an obsession.

And my channel 3 tv told me that at 30 bucks per month, I (YES I) could save the live of an african.

That means a lot:party:

[4a6c1]

Originally posted by Ravenstorm

Originally posted by JihnasSpirit
...you need money to survive

Very true. You need money to survive.

But you need much, much more than that to live.

Raven

Yep. But to live comfortably, money is needed. Happiness is irrelevant because it cannot be defined without philosophy and bringing money into the picture presents a clear bias. Yada yada. Repeating myself.

Yay Psykos for making a thread thats actually worth something and Yay for money.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by JihnasSpirit
Yep. But to live comfortably, money is needed. Happiness is irrelevant because it cannot be defined without philosophy and bringing money into the picture presents a clear bias. Yada yada. Repeating myself. I don't understand how you are equating "easily quantifiable" with "important".

[4a6c1]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by JihnasSpirit
Yep. But to live comfortably, money is needed. Happiness is irrelevant because it cannot be defined without philosophy and bringing money into the picture presents a clear bias. Yada yada. Repeating myself. I don't understand how you are equating "easily quantifiable" with "important".

Look, friend, its not that complex. Sorry for making it seem so. Its just a matter of opinion, really and mine is:

Money = comfortable living, but does not = happiness

[Xcalibur]

There was a big survey made in our town.

Poor people die 10 years before richer people.

All people, here, have acces to free hospitals and very low cost medicaments.

So, it is just a matter of alimentation and habits.

Do you prefer eating minute steaks or rosbeef?

I prefer the latter, and for that you need some money.

Multiply that exemple by 1000 and you end up realizing you need money to be happy.

And happiness needs money to stay.

[Back]

Sex, drugs and rock'n'roll are the most important things in my life.

[Chadj]

No, it is not, however, I do not have it.

I may bitch and complain about lack of money, as it can be a pain in the ass to not have the luxuries that I used to, but I have enough to eat every day, and have a place to sleep. While money is important, it's really my friends get me by in life much better than money could, or ever will. I don't mean to sound corny, or cheesey, but it is true. Several years back, when I was very well off as far as money goes, I had only a few friends, and I was half as happy as I am now. Friends/love > Money.

[Chadj]

Xcalibur, your logic is flawed. According to what you say, you are ASSUMING that the ONLY things in life that could make someone happy, cost money. This is not true. While money can make one happy, it does not guaruntee life-long happiness. All it promises, is that you live comfortably. Since humans are social creatures, unless you have a mental disorder of some type, I am pretty sure that you require social interactions to live a very happy life. Without friends, this social interaction would not happen, and you would go insane. Thus, I repeat, Friends/love > Money.

[Galleazzo]

No, you do not need money to survive. You need food and water to survive, and depending on where you are trying to survive, perhaps some shelter. Money is not required for any of those things. Are you high? Dayum, go about an hour's drive west of you with nothing but what you can carry. See how long you can survive without jack.

Now I camped a lot life and I know a lot of the tricks, and I got me some camping gear, but only a billion or so people froze or starved to death trying to live off the land. I got a couple guns, but I sure as shit don't have the workshop to do handloads. You kinda need money for that. Suppose I could fish for grub, until I got sick and died without the bread to get antibiotics.

[Jazuela]

Money can contribute to happiness, but it can't "make" me happy. I'm the only one who can do that.

Love of other people, comeraderie, comfortable surroundings, enough food to eat - all these things contribute to the happiness factor.

But if you aren't already a happy person inside, no amount of money is gonna help. Money is a false sense of security. It is a tool, just like most things, that assist you in your daily life.

Personally I'd value family above money, so it isn't the most important thing. It's up there on the top 10, definitely, but no, not number one on the list.

[Arshwikk]

Bah, money is great for things, and it does make life easier, or can anyway. However, you absolutely do not need money for good relationships...that's absurd. For some people, yeah, but those are not people I need to have as friends or loved ones.

I've spent a lot of time hiking around the country, and it didn't cost jack, and in fact, were it not for federal and local hunting laws, wouldn't have to cost anything...so if we need money at all today it's because society has forced us to use it, not because we absolutely need it, and it's far from the most important thing in life.

Health is first, without it, your dead...heh, and money may help health often, but it garauntees nothing. You could be rich as hell and get shot, or overdose with your money, and could be broke and live long.

Food, shelter? In Amercia you pretty much need money for these, but not always, and around the world even less so...money helps, again, it does not garauntee.

Friends? If you think money buys friendship or love, you need to check your friends and loved ones.

Money gets you service and attention...if that's what ya think you need, I suggest you have a lot of it.

I plan to, but I'm not shallow enough to think it's the most important thing in life. I've gone long enough with, and without to know better.

In a quest for peace and understanding, money is an adversary, a distraction, a false pretense to the truth.

All the money on earth for the life of a stranger. Honestly, who wouldn't take the money? I wouldn't.