2hw or brawling Cleric

[Viekn]

I am building a 2hw or brawling giantman cleric for RP reasons. Wanted to get some feedback on training recommendations.

I am doing 2hw or brawling because I want to use a weapon and want to have at least one open hand. If I want to remain viable, do you think I can do the 2hw at a cost of 10/3 per train, or do you think I'll have to do brawling in order to fit in everything else I'll need to fit in to be viable because it's only 6/1 per train?

I've already read that at level 60/70, one would want to have a fair amount of spell aim because CS alone isn't a viable hunting option for Illistim. But if I train in a weapon style, would that then negate needing to bolt at that level?

My goal for the character is mainly field rescues and hunting in order to level. I don't care about making chrisms. Also, I don't necessarily mind limiting what I can hunt as long as there will always be something I can hunt that's around my level. My plan is likely to do Voln for RP reasons. But if I wanted to do GOS, would this build be able to tackle warcamps ok?

If I go this route, will my AS and CS be high enough to hunt my level without too many problems? I don't need to over hunt higher levels, but I also don't want to have to hunt things that are 5 levels below me. That would just take too long to fry. I'm not trying to be the most powerful CS cleric in the lands. My only goal here is long term viability while maintaining the build I've described here.

I appreciate your help.

[Jeril]

The build you want should be doable. As long as you can get level +21 in cleric spells your CS shouldn't be horrible. And no, you don't need spell aim from 60/70 or whatever. Dogs in the temple are clerics so they've got a rather high TD against spirit spells but you don't have to hunt them either.

As far as which weapon style to go with, try them out and see which one you like more.

[Versin]

It is fun to freeze something with 301 and then smash it with your THW.

[Viekn]

So I think I've figured out a way to keep my RP plan intact and still do COL if I wanted to (instead of Voln).

That being said, I'm assuming mechanics wise that COL would be the best option because of the combined AS and DS boost?

While symbol of recall and symbol of mana are nice, COL still gives me greater AS/DS boost which I believe I would need being a weapon user. And while GOS gives you the padding, again, I think the AS/DS boost from COL is probably the better way to go. Please give me your thoughts on that.

Also, just as I think I could keep my RP plan intact and do COL, I think I can also have my choice of doing smite or bane. My initial thought is that bane gives me more options because there's more living foes to fight out there than non-living. But given my likely training plan, do you think undead serve as squishier targets or no?

[GuildRat]

You're always going to find more living targets than undead targets. Brawling plays well with a open handed/shield user if you change your mind later.

[Viekn]

So I've been testing out THW and brawling. I understand going THW if you're going to be a warmage and have haste. I don't have the patience to let my AGIDEX grow so that I can swing a THW in a decent amount of time. I am a giantman. So brawling it is. I kind of liked the crits I was getting with it.

I was initially using it with a shield but noticed the messaging that I wasn't getting the full effect with a shield in my hand. Do I lose much UAC effectiveness when I have a shield in my hand?

[Androidpk]

http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Multiplier_modifier#Shield_Penalties

[Viekn]

Thanks Androidpk. Still very new to UAC. Appreciate the help.

[Androidpk]

Others may disagree but I believe the penalty is pretty stiff. MM is a very important stat for UAC.

[Astray]

That penalty looks rough. It's gonna make a world of difference in the lower levels.

[Viekn]

Looking at that table, I tend to agree with you. And as a cleric, I can't even do 2x shield per level to get the penalty down to it's lowest possible level. I think I'll plan on just being in high enchant armor. I'm also currently able to do a full 1x in Cman. I know that doesn't help with lack of DS from not using a shield, but hopefully it ups my UAF enough to where I can kill things faster and don't suffer the possibility of as many hits.

[Versin]

UAC is constructed so that your best bet is to be "pure" - no offhand shields, no brawling weapons. Fair warning that UAC is fundamentally incompatible with "killing things faster."

As a cleric you should have enough self DS and disabling spells to be fine for DS.

The profession is generally geared towards undead, so you will have an easier time with those. It is true that there is more variety of living creatures but I personally have never felt constrained by focusing on undead (and you can still fight living targets, just less effectively). Maybe think about which deity you wish to follow.

COL gives the best raw AS/DS boost, but the AS/DS versions in UAC are less reliant on raw differences. Voln gives a lot of benefits if you hunt undead, and even if you don't the TD and some of the other benefits are nice. (GOS obviously works well for hated enemies.) Basically, choose a society to fit your RP and/or one you like leveling the best.

[Viekn]

If my goal is to do a lot of field rescues, how important will it be to have a shield? If not that important, I plan to continue with brawl because I want the extra physical points to use on other things. Brawl by itself is 6/1, whereas ohe plus shield would be 17/2.

[Versin]

You do not need a shield to do rescues. If you really want to rescue with a shield, be a paladin.

[Viekn]

Thanks Versin. Long as I'll have enough DS to do rescues without a shield, I'll stick to cleric. I'd rather not be restricted to resurrecting only twice a day.

[Androidpk]

Invest in making chrisms if you're going to be a rescuer.

[Viekn]

Bah, I hadn't planned on doing chrisms so I could save the points for other stuff I wanted to do. But you're right, I forgot about that, crap.

Thanks.

[Androidpk]

Bah, I hadn't planned on doing chrisms so I could save the points for other stuff I wanted to do. But you're right, I forgot about that, crap.

Thanks.

You can find a work around. Buy some from a cleric like Kaedra and then offer them, at a charge, to the people you rescue.