Premium Points questions

[Vesi]

Hey, all. Laugh at me if you must, but I swear, I suck at math. Suuuuck. Anyway, can someone explain the formula for, say, padding armor. I see the info on Krakiipedia, like:



Heavy Critical (http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Critical) or Damage (http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Hitpoint) Padding (http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Padding)
1200 pts + (Enchant Bonus * 100) + surcharges



However, my brain rebels against math. Could someone just tell me what this really boils down to? Say I wanted to pad something up to 10x? (would I need to have it enchanted to 10x first?) What would the cost be, if there was zero padding, to start with? Like I said, I know it is spelled out, right there, but when it comes to numbers, my brain goes all whacko. I know I posted awhile back that I was selling points, but I started back playing and was going to do a few things and maybe sell off the rest. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. (and yes, you can make fun of me)

[Allereli]

tell us what the exact item is and what you want done to it.

[Vesi]

I have some 7.5x altered brig that I would like to have enchanted up to 10x and then padded. I guess that's the main one.

[Vesi]

Or, if someone could just write out the formula in a way my brain can understand. I kick ass in trivia or word games, but put numbers before me and I become a blithering idiot.

[Liagala]

Or, if someone could just write out the formula in a way my brain can understand. I kick ass in trivia or word games, but put numbers before me and I become a blithering idiot.
The problem is that the formula differs depending on what you want done. Enchanting 7.5x brig to 10x and then padding it is different than padding 7.5x brig and then enchanting it up to 10x. It would be a third formula if you wanted to enchant it up to 8x, then pad it, then enchant further later... etc. There is no "the formula" that can be easily explained. Hence Allereli's question - if you state specifically what you want to do, someone can math it out and tell you the cost.

[Vesi]

Ok, let's say enchant the 7.5x brig up to 8x and then pad it out to 10x. Maybe that's why when I try to figure it out, it doesn't make sense to me. I thought it was a formula I could just work out, no matter what. (that might not be the smartest way to do this, but I am open to suggestions)

[Vesi]

Thank you to the ones that are trying to help me.

[JackWhisper]

GM's will not enchant half an enchant.

7.5x equals 8.5x. 8.5x to 9.5x then done. They won't do +48 - +50.

[Androidpk]

Most people will say 9.5x is 10x

[Vesi]

Well, then go from 7.5x to 8.5x. I was wondering about that half of an enchant.

[Vesi]

Also, is there any benefit to doing more enchants or paddings at once or is it the same price, either way? Again, thanks for putting up with my questions.

[Allereli]

what is the exact plus of the enchant? 37?

[Vesi]

Damn, been dealing with vertigo all week and it's hitting me again. I'll have my bard sing to it tomorrow and post. (if the world isn't still spinning) Thanks, everyone.

[Androidpk]

Damn, been dealing with vertigo all week and it's hitting me again. I'll have my bard sing to it tomorrow and post. (if the world isn't still spinning) Thanks, everyone.

Maybe your bf can score you some marijuana?

[Vesi]

Hmm... would that help? Also, if I got my bf to do that, my husband might find out about him! ; ) (seems not to be so bad today... fingers crossed)

Anyway, sang to my armor and it wasn't as enchanted as I thought. +32. So, if I wanted to take it to 7.5x and pad (no padding now) up to 10x, how much would that be? (I am probably dreaming about the padding) It is some imflass elven scale armor... which is just fancy brig. Again, thank you for any help.

[Vesi]

Also, damage padding is better for armor than crit padding, right? I have been away for several years and I am almost like a newbie again.

[Androidpk]

Heh, it was mostly a silly reference to Arrested Development, but yes, cannabis does work very well for many people suffering from menieres due to its anti-nausea and anti-anxiety properties. It also helps stop the spinning sensation.

[Vesi]

Since I titled this thread premium points questions, I might as well ask my other two. How much do premium points sell for in silvers and in cash? I tried looking over the threads, but only found one for silvers and they had updated the original post, so I really couldn't figure how much they were asking. I figure if I ask here, I will get an honest answer about their actual worth.

[Androidpk]

How many do you have?

[Vesi]

So many I'm almost embarrassed to post them. I have my account and my two cousins' accounts. When the premium points are used, they said just save their main characters. I am trying to decide how I want to do this. They have played a little in the last few months, but don't think they are staying. They don't care about the premium points. Even though I tried to explain to them the things they could do. That is spread over 3 accounts. I now have them all and the passwords are changed. Two are on hold right now, but the premium points stay with the accounts for 5 years. (so I was told by Simu)

[Androidpk]

Having a lot of points is nothing to be embarrassed about. I know someone that has something like 19/20,000. If you were to unload all of them it would probably be easier to do it as an entire account transfer, rather than trying to find someone working on a big project or breaking them up in chunks.

[Vesi]

Over 50k total on all three accounts. I doubt I will do any account takeovers. Just because none of us want anyone having our characters. Now, if I end up moving their characters to my account, then I *might* consider it. I am just getting my feet wet here, trying to see what they are worth and also getting a few things done for my characters.

[Androidpk]

Also, if I recall correctly 5000 silvers per point seems like the typical asking price. Conversion to cash is about $9-10 per million silvers at the moment.

[Vesi]

Thank you. I *think* my brain can do that math...

[Androidpk]

250m or $2250 at 9 per.

[Vesi]

Someone check me. I have a 16,200 block. I figured it at 81,000,000 silvers or around $700 cash. (a little over) Did I do that right? I know I sound like a 3rd grader, but my brain and numbers have a problem with each other.

[Vesi]

I don't think I did it right. I hate this math block!

[Androidpk]

You'll have to ask yourself if you would prefer to make some high end items or silvers/cash, because once you use them on an item the value isn't nearly as much.

[Vesi]

Oh, you were figuring up the whole 50k. duh

[Androidpk]

Someone check me. I have a 16,200 block. I figured it at 81,000,000 silvers or around $700 cash. (a little over) Did I do that right? I know I sound like a 3rd grader, but my brain and numbers have a problem with each other.

Correct.

[Vesi]

You'll have to ask yourself if you would prefer to make some high end items or silvers/cash, because once you use them on an item the value isn't nearly as much.
Yes, that is why I was asking about how much to do my armor. I have to decide that.

[Vesi]

Heh, it was mostly a silly reference to Arrested Development, but yes, cannabis does work very well for many people suffering from menieres due to its anti-nausea and anti-anxiety properties. It also helps stop the spinning sensation.
I knew about the nausea and the anxiety aspect, but not the spinning. I am in the South, so hell will freeze over before it is legal here. (also love that show)

[Androidpk]

To go from+32 to its maximum of +47 would be 12600 points. 3700, 4200, and 4700 points would be the cost of each enchant. From there the padding would cost 6700 points for heavy padding, which is the most you can get done via premium points.

[Vesi]

To go from+32 to its maximum of +47 would be 12600 points. 3700, 4200, and 4700 points would be the cost of each enchant. From there the padding would cost 6700 points for heavy padding, which is the most you can get done via premium points.
So, is that a flat 6700 for heavy padding? Meaning, I just say pad to the max and it will cost that amount? I know a wizard that enchants, but not sure if they can do 1/2 enchants. Also, does it matter which order I do it in?

[Vesi]

Again, thank you for taking the time to explain this to me.

[Androidpk]

Order does matter, yes. It is much more expensive to enchant something that is already padded or weighted. You can find the cost formula here.

http://www.play.net/gs4/premium/premiumplus.asp

There are no half enchants. I'm not sure how this half enchant would effect the next enchant but generally wizards can enchant up to 7x. Beyond that requires rare/limited enchanting potions.

[Vesi]

Order does matter, yes. It is much more expensive to enchant something that is already padded or weighted. You can find the cost formula here.

http://www.play.net/gs4/premium/premiumplus.asp

There are no half enchants. I'm not sure how this half enchant would effect the next enchant but generally wizards can enchant up to 7x. Beyond that requires rare/limited enchanting potions.

Thank you. Slowly, but surely, this is starting to sink in. So, enchant before padding. And, don't risk my brig with a game wizard! Ha! Ok, it is starting to be clearer. Now, to decide what I want to actually do with these points. Might sell a small block for silvers (because I'm poor) and then go from there. Again, thank you and if anyone else has any input, I am open to what you have to say. Androidpk, you have been a huge help!

[Vesi]

I have never had anything really nice. I am used to running around with 5x gear and that is it. (the others have 4x) Which is challenging, at times.

[Androidpk]

Definitely take some time to think about how you want to use them as you have lots of options.

[Vesi]

Definitely take some time to think about how you want to use them as you have lots of options.
Yes, not going to rush into anything. Except maybe selling a small amount for some silvers.

[Thondalar]

I don't think I did it right. I hate this math block!

You're probably an extremely creative and artistic person. I know many who are really good at math that wish they were good at art. The grass is always greener.

[Thondalar]

Thank you. Slowly, but surely, this is starting to sink in. So, enchant before padding. And, don't risk my brig with a game wizard! Ha! Ok, it is starting to be clearer. Now, to decide what I want to actually do with these points. Might sell a small block for silvers (because I'm poor) and then go from there. Again, thank you and if anyone else has any input, I am open to what you have to say. Androidpk, you have been a huge help!

You could have an IG wizard do the enchant, but it would probably cost more than it would with PP, because the potions required are very limited release and usually used on personal projects or sold to the highest bidder. Also, GMs don't have a base 3% failure chance, as far as I know.

There are also very limited release services to apply a +1 or +2 to an item...a lot of times these are overlooked by the "power players" because they invested in full enchants to begin with. Unfortunately it's not something you can just buy, you have to be there when it's given out, and it's usually in the form of some sort of mini-event prize, like the scavenger hunt at last year's EG. I don't know how hard you hit the events, but that might be something to put on a bucket list if you plan on keeping this partial-enchant item long term.

[Vesi]

You're probably an extremely creative and artistic person. I know many who are really good at math that wish they were good at art. The grass is always greener.
Thank you, Thondalar. Words are my thing. Numbers make me crazy!

[Androidpk]

Ditto. Thank god for google calculator.

[Thondalar]

Thank you, Thondalar. Words are my thing. Numbers make me crazy!

Linguistics is indeed an art. Poetry and lyrical music couldn't exist without it.

[Androidpk]

>Also, GMs don't have a base 3% failure chance, as far as I know.

That would be terrible if they did!

[Vesi]

You could have an IG wizard do the enchant, but it would probably cost more than it would with PP, because the potions required are very limited release and usually used on personal projects or sold to the highest bidder. Also, GMs don't have a base 3% failure chance, as far as I know.

There are also very limited release services to apply a +1 or +2 to an item...a lot of times these are overlooked by the "power players" because they invested in full enchants to begin with. Unfortunately it's not something you can just buy, you have to be there when it's given out, and it's usually in the form of some sort of mini-event prize, like the scavenger hunt at last year's EG. I don't know how hard you hit the events, but that might be something to put on a bucket list if you plan on keeping this partial-enchant item long term.
The armor was a gift and I thought it was a flat 6x until I had my bard sing to it. I would probably rather risk the GMs doing it at this point, than a game wizard. Just because of the odd enchants on it. I imagine it was sold that way at some event. I thought someone might know, since I put the description of it on here. Thank you for your information. You guys are great.

[Vesi]

>Also, GMs don't have a base 3% failure chance, as far as I know.

That would be terrible if they did!

That! For some reason, I really love this armor. Because it came from a friend that no longer plays, so it has sentimental value, also.

[Androidpk]

Imflass has a wonky base enchant of +12.

[Androidpk]

Oh, and for brig armor most would probably agree that crit padding is better.

[Vesi]

Imflass has a wonky base enchant of +12.
I was thinking it was all leather and that was just a description. That +12 would explain it, though.

[Vesi]

Oh, and for brig armor most would probably agree that crit padding is better.

You are the second to say that, so I will probably go with that if I take this route.

[Androidpk]

I don't know the exact origin but it seems that armor was sold off the shelf sometime during GS3.

[Vesi]

I don't know the exact origin but it seems that armor was sold off the shelf sometime during GS3.

That sounds about right. I have been around since 1998. So, while not a true old timer, I have been through some changes here!

[Thondalar]

I don't know the exact origin but it seems that armor was sold off the shelf sometime during GS3.

I had to look back to see, but yes, that armor was sold off the shelf at an event...I just can't remember exactly which one. It's been a while.


I was thinking it was all leather and that was just a description. That +12 would explain it, though.

Technically, brigandine armor is a leather base with metal plates sewn into or onto it. It inspects in-game as rigid leather armor, but there is certainly a metallic aspect to it, historically at least. As far as game mechanics goes, studded leather and up can inspect as whatever the base metal is, even though it's technically leather armor.

I've noticed you mention the partial enchant a few times, as far as enchanting it...I just wanted to reiterate that whether you enchant it via PP or player, it'll still be a partial enchant, unless you catch a special service at an event that will bring it up to a full enchant...the only problem with player enchanting is that after 7x, you need special potions that will probably cost more than your PP is worth, assuming you can A) even find some, and B) willing to accept the fact that player enchanting always has a chance of failure. Since you're already at 7.5x, this would be the case...your most cost-efficient method, in this case, would be to PP enchant it up to +47, and then heavy pad it, which will cost what PK posted for you.

If you're worried about that +47 instead of +50 (which I wouldn't be, but some people are), the ONLY remedy is to catch one of the special services that bring a partial enchant up to a full...as far as I know, these are only given out as prize options for various events throughout the year.

[Vesi]

I had to look back to see, but yes, that armor was sold off the shelf at an event...I just can't remember exactly which one. It's been a while.



Technically, brigandine armor is a leather base with metal plates sewn into or onto it. It inspects in-game as rigid leather armor, but there is certainly a metallic aspect to it, historically at least. As far as game mechanics goes, studded leather and up can inspect as whatever the base metal is, even though it's technically leather armor.

I've noticed you mention the partial enchant a few times, as far as enchanting it...I just wanted to reiterate that whether you enchant it via PP or player, it'll still be a partial enchant, unless you catch a special service at an event that will bring it up to a full enchant...the only problem with player enchanting is that after 7x, you need special potions that will probably cost more than your PP is worth, assuming you can A) even find some, and B) willing to accept the fact that player enchanting always has a chance of failure. Since you're already at 7.5x, this would be the case...your most cost-efficient method, in this case, would be to PP enchant it up to +47, and then heavy pad it, which will cost what PK posted for you.

If you're worried about that +47 instead of +50 (which I wouldn't be, but some people are), the ONLY remedy is to catch one of the special services that bring a partial enchant up to a full...as far as I know, these are only given out as prize options for various events throughout the year.

Ah, thanks for the explanation on the metal bits on the brig. I've always been curious.

I would definitely go with GM enchant with my premium points (if I go that route) as opposed to an in game wizard. With my luck, even if I had all the silvers in Elanthia, I would be in that 3% fail! Also, I'd be just fine with a +47 instead of a +50. I don't look at that as a big gap. Then, if I ever did run across a merchant, I might take it up or let it be.

[Archigeek]

I agree the crit padding would be better. Also, 5000 silvers per point is on the low side, but it does fluctuate quite a bit. If you decide to sell, auction it with a minimum bid of 5500 - 6000 / point. Sale price seems to fluctuate between 5500 and 8500 / point.

Also, trust is a very big thing. People will pay a premium if they feel you can be trusted with their stuff

[Vesi]

I agree the crit padding would be better. Also, 5000 silvers per point is on the low side, but it does fluctuate quite a bit. If you decide to sell, auction it with a minimum bid of 5500 - 6000 / point. Sale price seems to fluctuate between 5500 and 8500 / point.

Also, trust is a very big thing. People will pay a premium if they feel you can be trusted with their stuff

Thanks for the info! I am still thinking on all of this. I know trust might be an issue. I have bought silvers a few times, some years ago, from someone on here. I don't know if that would help or not. Me saying I'm trustworthy isn't going to mean a hill of beans. So, that's why I might decide to do some, in small blocks, for in game silvers. Well, at least one big block of them. Then figure out what I want to do with the rest.

[Androidpk]

You could always build a vault and just hoard your points.

https://38.media.tumblr.com/a6487c623de001bfec9f8fbf88ce6648/tumblr_mguvnp3YQL1rjbosmo1_500.gif

[Archigeek]

With the quantity you have, I would definitely sell some. You should be able to get a good price for good sized blocks. If you can part with one of the accounts, that would be the easiest way, or if some reputable folks will vouch for you, that helps too.