Sucks

Yeah, if some of you remember, I posted a few pictures of myself and one of my friend Dan. He was the heavily pierced one. Well, apparantly he just got arrested on warrants and they found heroin on him.

I know no one cares and everyone will be like, "GOOD HE IZ JUNKEE", but it sucks. He was a really good friend and one that never pushed his lifestyle on me. Okay, flame away I guess, just glad to be able to tell someone.

- Arkans

[Xenostrus]

Damn, thats messed up. Maybe its better for him cuz Heroin is some serious shit.

[Snapp]

Yeah, seriously. You should think of it as a blessing for him.

[HarmNone]

Your friend needs help, Arkans. Perhaps, this way he will get the help he needs. If he keeps going the way he's going (if he's using heroin) his life isn't going to be worth living anyway. :(

[AnticorRifling]

It could be worse but it still sucks. I've had a few friends get busted for having various chemicals on them and even though I don't partake it still sucked when they got busted. Hopefully his time in jail will allow him to clean up and then you can get your friend back. I just hope the junk doesn't ruin his life because then you're friend is gone for good, right now he's just away for abit.

Sorry to hear your bro got snagged.

That sucks man.

I think that with that specific type of problem, the way your friend ended up right now, pales in significance to some of the alternate scenarios presented by use of that drug. And that as corny as it may sound, hopefully this can be some kind of learning experience.

[Warriorbird]

A friend of mine tried to saw his own arm off while going through heroin withdrawal. It's a hellish thing. Hopefully he ends up better for being imprisoned, but honestly, a lot of people do not.

[Kuyuk]

:wedgie:


K.

[xtc]

No flame here. As has already been posted this may be a blessing in disguise. A friend of mine is the Executive Director for an outpatient drug treatment counselling program in Toronto. Heroin is a tough one, if this guy was my friend I would talk to him about a good drug treatment program. Some people in the addictions field like methadone clinics some don't, either way there are programs for both out there. Narcotics Anonymous may help as well. Good Luck with your friend Arkans

http://www.na.org/

[Betheny]

Jail is rarely the right place for people with addictions. Hopefully they will let him seek the help he needs. And hopefully he will take it seriously.

[Cayge]

I agree with Maimara. Our judicial system isnt a huge fan of rehabilitating people with Heroin or Cocaine addiction, they would rather piss away our tax dollars incarcerating people who are no harm to anyone but themselves, MOST of the time. If hes stealing VCRs to get by, its a diff. story. But simple possession and use should be treated by medical professionals, not judges. Good luck to him either way, hope he can get the help he actually needs rather than be #4323493295 in our system.

Thanks for the support. Perpahs he will get the help he needs from this event. He was the weirdest heroin addict I've ever heard of though. No stealing VCRs or anything, but actually held down a job and payed for everything himself. Either way, only thing I can do is hope for the best.

- Arkans

[longshot]

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[Blazing247]

I'd be surprised if he did a real day of prison time for the heroin possession. As for recovering from heroin, you can't. Don't believe me? Go to a N.A. meeting and talk to the long term recovering heroin addicts there. If you have trouble finding one, it's cause they're all dead. Heroin is hands down the nastiest drug you can ever do. It WILL kill you. I am sure someone will post obscure references to this person or that celebrity who did it a few times and has stopped, but I can bet my paychecks for a lifetime that you can't point out one person who was a habitual user that isn't dead, still using, or has relapsed 30-40 times in their life.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Blazing247
I'd be surprised if he did a real day of prison time for the heroin possession. As for recovering from heroin, you can't. Don't believe me? Go to a N.A. meeting and talk to the long term recovering heroin addicts there. If you have trouble finding one, it's cause they're all dead. Heroin is hands down the nastiest drug you can ever do. It WILL kill you. I am sure someone will post obscure references to this person or that celebrity who did it a few times and has stopped, but I can bet my paychecks for a lifetime that you can't point out one person who was a habitual user that isn't dead, still using, or has relapsed 30-40 times in their life.

I can point you out one..... me.

[SpunGirl]

It's usually what people do while they're ON drugs, rather than the actual posession of the drugs themselves, that land them behind bars for extended periods of time. Then you wind up with all these pathetic losers saying, "I'm just in here because I wanted to get high, man."

Heroin is supposedly one of the hardest drugs to kick. Anyone ever see HBO's "Black Tar Heroin" documentary? I hope your friend gets better, Arkans, and he can get some kind of rehab help.

-K

[Blazing247]

You're 1 in 100 million, then. Of the five people who started using heroin with my brother about 13 years ago, he is the only one left (barely) surviving. Then again, I don't know your specifics so I can't say for sure if you are the type of user I am talking about.

[Souzy]

Half of my cousins are addicted to heroin. Maybe he wasn't really that deep into it, seeing that he hasn't completely fucked up his life yet. I would think they'd just send him to rehab instead of doing time? Unless this isn't his first conviction? Maybe jail time will help him, maybe not...seeing that you can get shit inside while being incarcerated.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Blazing247
You're 1 in 100 million, then. Of the five people who started using heroin with my brother about 13 years ago, he is the only one left (barely) surviving. Then again, I don't know your specifics so I can't say for sure if you are the type of user I am talking about.

I may be one in a million, but I quit.... I was on heroin for quite awhile. I spent more on heroin in my life then most people will make in a lifetime. I'd say I'm the user your talking about.....

Quitting was the hardest thing I've ever done, but it isn't impossible. I've quit and have never even thought about touching it again.

[Blazing247]

<I may be one in a million, but I quit>

And I wasn't attempting to belittle that feat. That is amazing, and I am thankful that there are those (albeit fractions of a percent) that can rip themselves away from it after having done it for an extended period of time (over 5 years). I wish my brother had your kind of strength, but he doesn't.

[Souzy]

Hey...speaking of which. One of my friends sold a script to...ummm....ummm...some big time film co., it's called "Chasing the Dragon". If they don't make a movie in 2 more years, he can resell the script again. He sold the script for 80 g's, not so bad. Watching people you love fall apart each day because of drugs is such a devastating thing. I've seen my sister fuck up her life from coke, I've seen my cousins fuck their lives up cos of heroin, I've seen old friends whither away from crack. Life is crazy, thank God my sister has a family that loves her and picked her up when she fell into the pits of Hell. I can't even begin to get on the subject of being that person on the other side of the story. I'm glad you was strong enough to pull yourself out of it Scott. I'm glad you never want to look back. I'm sure the people that love you are thinking the same thing.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Blazing247
<I may be one in a million, but I quit>

And I wasn't attempting to belittle that feat. That is amazing, and I am thankful that there are those (albeit fractions of a percent) that can rip themselves away from it after having done it for an extended period of time (over 5 years). I wish my brother had your kind of strength, but he doesn't.

I didn't take it as "oh well you probably weren't doing it much." I wish the best for your brother, I hope he can take everything he has left and quit. I can't imagine being on that stuff again. After looking back at what it put me through, that in itself is all the encouragement I need to keep me from trying again.

[Scott]

The problem is most people don't have a reason to quit. I always thought, why quit... what's the point? I'm at the lowest point possible in my life.... why spend the time and suffering when you have nothing waiting for you on the other side when your clean?

[Souzy]

So true, but I'm sure there's someone that has been by your side. I tried so hard with my cousin, who's like my little brother. What pissed me off was that he started heroine during HS and I was in my Jr. going on to my Sr. year of HS. He'd always ask me for money and me not thinking twice, cos I didn't know he was addicted always gave it to him. The thing that pissed me off the most was that I was living on my own and had my own apartment! Hell if I was going to support a head for his habit, when every penny mattered to me at that point. I had thought it was for other reasons. I told him I'd break his neck if I ever found out. I found out, tried my best to help him out with recovering. It's about 9 years later...I have no idea where he is, he ran off. The things drugs do to you, sometimes I feel like crying for him. Drugs are fucked up.

[SpunGirl]

Isn't "chasing the dragon" slang for like, heroin smoke or something?

-K, sheltered.

[Souzy]

Yeah...when they smoke it from the foil thing. Then they chase the dragon.

Edit: or glass bulb.

[Edited on 10-6-2004 by Lalana]

Smoking it from foil is "chasing the dragon", but a bulb can be used.

As far as quitting, he always just enjoyed the high. He worked, supported his habit, and supported a place to stay. I guess he was the exception.

Anyway, he made the choice to run. He never showed up for his court date and asked me to drive him to the bus stop. Hopefully, he'll come back in about 6 months or so after he hides out for a while.

- Arkans

[Souzy]

Erm...he's going to get a longer sentence if he runs. He should've just fought it out and said it was an addiction and they would've sent him to rehab.

He wasn't having going to rehab to rehab. Either way, guess he plans on staying away for a while to avoid getting caught.

- Arkans

[SpunGirl]

That was a dumb move on his part. If you're his friend, Arkans, you're not doing him any favors by helping him out in digging himself a deeper hole.

This is exactly what I was talking about. He'll get caught and then by like, "I'm only in jail for my addiction, man, wtf is wrong with the system?" And it'll be because he ran that he'll get put in jail. Dur.

-K

Well, I wasn't about to tell him to "Fuck off" when he came to me for a favor. That'd be pretty scumbag of me.

- Arkans

[SpunGirl]

No, but you could refuse to be a part of helping him fuck his life up any further. If he was having withdrawls or freaking out because he needed some more heroin and didn't have any cash, would you lend the money to him? You don't have to say fuck off, to tell someone "no." It's not so black and white.

-K

[Edited on 10-6-2004 by SpunGirl]

I'm also not the one to decide for him what he can do or can't do with his life. If he wants to run, by all means, it's his choice and as his friend I should respect that.

- Arkans

[SpunGirl]

But you don't have to be a part of it, that's all I'm saying. Friends are there to support each other in the good times and the bad, but if was doing something outstandingly stupid, my friends would tell me. They care about me more than that.

-K

PS You didn't answer the question.

[Satira]

Can't say I agree with you giving him a ride, but then again I think drugs should be legalized.

Hopefully he at least made some good music while he was on it.

[SpunGirl]

I noticed that you said he was arrested on other outstanding warrants. Sounds like he's done some other shady stuff as well... this isn't about drugs. This is about him doing some other shit, and happeneing to have the trappings of his addiction with him when the other shit finally caught up with him.

-K

His other warrants were just stuff that wasn't cleared up in court, nothing major. I think he completed an AA program he was on, but never checked that in.

As far as withdrawals? Well, if he had them, probably. I know he'd get me the money back. I tell him when he does things that I don't agree with and I tell him his other options, but I'm not going to sit there and preech to him. That isn't my business and nobody wants to hear that. I told him his options when he was talking about running and he told me he thought running would be the best choice. Fine by me, I gave my input, I'm not going to sit over him and pretend to be his mother.

It just sucks to see him really start turning his life around, getting a job and holding it down, saving money, having a place, and then this happens. Really does suck.

- Arkans

[faiyth]

Well hopefully he will be able to clean up and never do herion again. My cousin JUST died after a 2 year fight to get a liver transplate (which they wouldn't do because he recked the first one himself) from him addiction to herion. So I hope as his friend you never have to go through that. It was definately not pretty. He stayed alive on the machines for a few days so we could all say goodbye, but it was so hard to see someone you love and KNOW that they are going to die and there's absolutely nothing you or even the hospital can do about it.

It's stories like that that pretty much kept him from shooting it up.

- Arkans

[Shadya]

Too bad he ran...odviously just going to further his problem. I have a girlfriend that won't shoot it. She works as a makeup artist, has a nice car and pad......ect. Because she only snorts it she thinks she's got a handle on it. But you can't stop them as much as you want to think you can. They have to want to quit. It's a very slow process..you watch them slip away......It's an escape from life......easier to be a drug addict then to live life sober.

[DeV]

Running just made it that much worse for him once he's caught. Watching someone throw their life away for Herion is very sad, but they're are some encouraging recovery cases out there. It is a extremely slow process and a painful one at that, it is possible to turn your life around.
Snorting is one small step away from shooting up.. it's almost inevitable.

Hopefully, he won't get caught, but I think that's just wishful thinking.

- Arkans

[HarmNone]

Since he chose to go on the run, he has no job; therefore, he has no income. He's addicted to heroin. How is he going to feed that addiction? Things are going to get awfully difficult for this poor guy. Eventually, I'm afraid he's bound to get caught. Question is, will he get caught before he ends up doing things that will make things far worse than they already are? I really feel badly for him. His life is hanging in the balance.

I know how hard this must be on you, as well, Arkans. To see a friend heading down the road to nowhere really sucks.

As far as work, he knows people in Colorado. He told me it was hard as hell to get a job there before, but managed to do it. I guess he's hoping that he can get some job that won't do a backround check or an under the table job.

What is interesting is that the last time he went to Colorado he could not find heroin there at all. He said it pretty much cleaned up out there, except for the methadone he might buy off the street or something, so there is a chance he won't get fucked super hard.

- Arkans

[Axhinde]

That sucks man, I hope your friend gets past all of it. Getting into drugs is never a good thing, I know from experience. Luckily the service has forced me to grow up. People need to experience life in different ways. I just hope for your friend that this isn't the path he follows for life. Either way, he'll need support from his friends and family if he ever wishes to get out of this mess.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Shadya
Too bad he ran...odviously just going to further his problem. I have a girlfriend that won't shoot it. She works as a makeup artist, has a nice car and pad......ect. Because she only snorts it she thinks she's got a handle on it. But you can't stop them as much as you want to think you can. They have to want to quit. It's a very slow process..you watch them slip away......It's an escape from life......easier to be a drug addict then to live life sober.

You're girlfriend won't shoot it now, but she probably will down the road. Once you get hooked, that's it, and when it starts getting worse and worse, you need to find a new way to stop that. I've seen so many people say "I'll never use a needle" only to see them later say "Needles are the only way."

[carolienaine]

Originally posted by Arkans
Yeah, if some of you remember, I posted a few pictures of myself and one of my friend Dan. He was the heavily pierced one. Well, apparantly he just got arrested on warrants and they found heroin on him.

I know no one cares and everyone will be like, "GOOD HE IZ JUNKEE", but it sucks. He was a really good friend and one that never pushed his lifestyle on me. Okay, flame away I guess, just glad to be able to tell someone.

- Arkans

I can totally relate, and I'm not going to bag. I'm sorry your friend got in trouble. My mommy did/does drugs. If she got arrested it would tear our family even more apart. Even though her attempting to strangle me didn't help bring us closer...atleast not emotionally. But I am really sorry about your friend. :no:

Well, a bit more info for those of you who are interested.

Apparantly, he'll be back a for a little while around Christmas time, which isn't that bad. Hopefully everything will blow over for him here and he won't have to take off.

Either way, the old saying goes, "You can never leave Norwood." I think we've got the record for the most townies in the Guiness Book of World Records.

- Arkans

[Blazing247]

<Hopefully everything will blow over for him here and he won't have to take off. >

I don't get what you mean. Warrants do not "blow over". I've seen people with 2 year old bench warrants for failure to appear for a parking ticket get pulled over for speeding, and get arrested on the spot.

Blow over by the police not activly keeping an eye out.

- Arkans

[HarmNone]

Arkans, hon, if your friend can't get a handle on his addiction, it's only a matter of time before he's picked up for something again. It happened this time, and it will happen again. When it happens, he's caught. The warrant will show up on a check. :(

He can lay only so low, I realize, but maybe if he gets caught next time he'll just clear up whatever time he has to do then.

- Arkans

[SpunGirl]

I'm sure he thought that about these last warrants... "I'm sure I'll just clear those up next time I get picked up." The more he runs, the worse it is for him. Not to mention that next time they probably won't let him go and hope he'll show for court... they'll leave him to rot in a nice jail cell until they want to deal with him. What a life to choose.

-K

[Ravenstorm]

Indeed. He's obviously a flight risk and being a wanted felon will mean he's going to get the book thrown at him. Better he give himself up and ask for help in getting clean. He's only harming himself this way. So far.

Raven

[SpunGirl]

I couldn't ask for a better example of one of my biggest irritations with criminals. People bitch and moan about how every drug on the planet should be 100% legal for any reason, because of "all those people" in jail "just because of drugs!" Yes, this person's main problem is drugs, but when he's in jail, it WON'T be for drugs. It'll be because he behaved like an idiot and couldn't be bothered to stand up to the consequences of his actions.

-K

[Scott]

Jail is the last thing that going to clean someone up.... Withdrawl from Heroin is horrible, and being miserable in a jail cell while going through it would be last thing that's going to clean him up. I remember being in so much pain that I couldn't move.... I don't think I could have spent that time in a cramped cell.

Your friend needs to show up and get it over with. It's only going to get worse for him, and running is going to get him jail time when he gets caught. If he shows up he's got a chance to avoid jail, I'd take the chance.

Plus, in jail, if you know the right people, you can get plenty of drugs on the inside. This includes heroine.

- Arkans