Adrian Peterson

[Gelston]

He spanked his kid. He used a switch. I have been spanked with a switch before. This is bullshit.

[Rallorick]

I have been spanked with a switch before. This is bullshit.

nobody wants to hear about your personal life.

[Gelston]

nobody wants to hear about your personal life.

Do you feel that Adrian Peterson is in the wrong?

[Rallorick]

honestly - I don't know the severity of the situation... the media here paints it as pretty aggressive. Either way, just my opinion, it doesn't take a genius to know that if you're a professional football player, for at least the next few months, you better not be within 5 square miles of anything that hints of domestic abuse.

particularly if it involves an ex-wife/girlfriend.

[Gelston]

honestly - I don't know the severity of the situation... the media here paints it as pretty aggressive. Either way, just my opinion, it doesn't take a genius to know that if you're a professional football player, for at least the next few months, you better not be within 5 square miles of anything that hints of domestic abuse.

particularly if it involves an ex-wife/girlfriend.

From what I read... It is a switch. A small stick. No different from when I was a kid and got in trouble. Peterson has said exactly what he did. Sounds like parenting to me.

[Rallorick]

Yeah, I'm also familiar with the switch. I get your point.

I guess the thing is I would hope that all professional teams would have, by now, gathered their players together and explained how the media works. Are you honestly surprised they ran with the story? I'm not - not even in the slightest.

[Gelston]

Yeah, I'm also familiar with the switch. I get your point.

I guess the thing is I would hope that all professional teams would have, by now, gathered their players together and explained how the media works. Are you honestly surprised they ran with the story? I'm not - not even in the slightest.

I get it. I just think it is bullshit. I hope he doesn't get in legal trouble for it though.

[Ardwen]

I'm curious have you seen the pictures and read the story Gelston? Punishing a child shouldn't leave visible welts on them period, he is already in legal trouble, and depending how the rest of this works out it could wind up very serious legal trouble.

[Androidpk]

Rednecks don't read.

[Gelston]

I'm curious have you seen the pictures and read the story Gelston? Punishing a child shouldn't leave visible welts on them period, he is already in legal trouble, and depending how the rest of this works out it could wind up very serious legal trouble.

I have seen the pictures. So? What the fuck do you think happens when you are spanked?

You are one of those people that thinks when a kid does something wrong he shouldn't face punishment. That is what is wrong with this country.

[Androidpk]

There is a difference between discipline and abuse. What this guy did was abuse.

[Gelston]

There is a difference between discipline and abuse. What this guy did was abuse.

Bullshit. How was it abuse?

[Wrathbringer]

I have seen the pictures. So? What the fuck do you think happens when you are spanked?

You are one of those people that thinks when a kid does something wrong he shouldn't face punishment. That is what is wrong with this country.

Lol have another, Mr. Warmonger, and tell us again why other people are the problem.

[Gelston]

Lol have another, Mr. Warmonger, and tell us again why other people are the problem.

Yes, because you make sense.

[Wrathbringer]

nobody wants to hear about your personal life.

+1

[Gelston]

Show how I am a warmongerer. Pretty sure I have been saying to stay out of shit.

[Gelston]

Don't know why I would even argue with you. You are on the same level as my dogs. Well, no, they are above you. They pay taxes via me.

[Androidpk]

Bullshit. How was it abuse?

Look at the pictures again and tell me you would do that to your 4 year old, leave him covered in bloody welts.

[Parkbandit]

From what I read... It is a switch. A small stick. No different from when I was a kid and got in trouble. Peterson has said exactly what he did. Sounds like parenting to me.

If you are leaving welts and open wounds.. it's well past parenting.

[JackWhisper]

To each their own, quite honestly. It takes all types of parenting. But what they lost me at and I jawdropped... is the kid said his dad punches him in the face. And shoves leaves in his mouth.

The facepunching = Just got nothing that's so fucked up.
The leaves in the mouth thing = Buffalo Bill much? What's the point other than degrading and/or humiliating your child? I mean can someone explain this to me?

Anyhoo, continue on!

[Ker_Thwap]

I have seen the pictures. So? What the fuck do you think happens when you are spanked?

You are one of those people that thinks when a kid does something wrong he shouldn't face punishment. That is what is wrong with this country.

There are many ways in which you can punish a child when they do something wrong. It's even smarter to teach the kid what your expectations are and that the punishment will be commiserate with the misdeed.

I've told this story at least twice on the PC, but it bears repeating. I hit one of my kids, once. She was a toddler, and trying to play with the electrical outlet, I said "no" and and quickly got up, moved across the room and removed her from the situation. She giggled and went right back to the outlet. She got a little swat on the backside, and started crying. Problem solved.

That said, I was a very strict parent, not their friend. I set rules, and enforced them. When they screwed up, they lost something that was related to how they screwed up for a long period of time. I very rarely even yelled at them, and even then, it was after quite a bit of warning. They're adults now, well adjusted, getting along quite well.

What's wrong with this country, is that parents don't take the time to lead by example, don't take the time to set expectations, don't teach their kid about critical thinking, about how actions have consequences. Resorting to violence because a child pushes another child, just teaches more violence. Stuffing their mouth with leaves is really some sort of sick control freak situation.

Now, all that being said. I'm not entirely down on Peterson, because that's all he knows. It was likely how he was raised. He, like you survived that kind of crap and just doesn't know enough to break the cycle of entirely unnecessary violence. Just because you were raised that way and survived it, doesn't mean it was a particularly effective way.

[Buckwheet]

Vikings should release him. We need the cap space.

[Parkbandit]

Vikings should release him. We need the cap space.

As soon as I saw the story break, I picked up the backup RB. I hope he delivers!

[SHAFT]

Bullshit. How was it abuse?

I had that happen to me twice when I was a kid. On the thigh with welts and bruises and all, but from a belt. Still to this day I hate the guy who did it and consider him to be the worst of the worst. Fuck him. It isn't necessary to beat a child to the point they have cuts, bruises, and welts. Even if it happened to you or me as a kid.

[Showal]

I think the furthest disciplining should go is forcing hands on the stove for a set amount of time, 5-10 seconds, and also maybe punches to the gut, marking face with sharpies with derogatory words, and hog-tying with burlap sack over face and laying face down in an empty van that travels over poorly maintained rocky dirt roads no faster than 45 mph for a half hour. Anything beyond that is abuse.

[Showal]

I might update that post as I see appropriate or think of other acceptable means of disciplining kids as young as two years and three months.

[JackWhisper]

Taking the front wheel of their tricycle away and forcing them to pop wheelies to get around the back yard. Punishment!

[Latrinsorm]

I feel like the most important point of this case is being somewhat obscured (albeit justifiably) by the disgust at child abuse. The most important point is this:

1. Peterson has not been convicted, only indicted.
2. Peterson is not playing tomorrow.
3. Greg Hardy was convicted.
4. Greg Hardy is playing tomorrow.

Why is this important? Because Roger Goodell released a(nother) blatant lie yesterday, claiming that Ray Rice's description of the events was "starkly different" from what was shown on the tape... except court documents specifically stated Rice struck his then-fiancee and rendered her unconscious, and multiple sources have confirmed that Rice said the same to Goodell before the two game suspension. And because Goodell serves at the pleasure of the owners as a whole. Any individual owner could take the step that the Vikings owner did, and while it's plausible he only did so because of the current public relations climate that climate applies even more for Carolina. The owners as a whole could fire Goodell today if they wanted to...

...but they haven't, even as he piles lies on top of lies and (seemingly) puts less and less effort into crafting them. This is what the owners (as a whole) think of you. That you're so addicted to the pigskin that they can feed you any bullshit and you'll keep tuning in, keep buying tickets. I'm not saying you should boycott the NFL, I'm just urging you to keep this in mind the next time you have the opportunity to side with ownership, for instance during a lockout.
Don't know why I would even argue with you. You are on the same level as my dogs. Well, no, they are above you. They pay taxes via me.You couldn't be more wrong about the Peterson case, but this was still the sickest burn of the week.

[Tisket]

nobody wants to hear about your personal life.

Speak for yourself. Hearing personal details helps understand why someone would feel a certain way.

[Tisket]

I didn't suffer corporal punishment from my parents as a child and I don't utilize it now on my own children. However, my grandfather used a switch on me once when I spent a summer with them. I think I was like 9 or 10 at the time. I don't feel I learned any useful lesson from the experience but I did learn to fear the man after that. Not a takeaway I want my own kids to have.

(originally posted in wrong thread. No you aren't seeing things if you caught that)

[JackWhisper]

I spank my kid for one thing. Lying. I have absolutely no tolerance for it in my household. Everything else, he gets a stern talking to. Every so often I tell him I'm going to send him to his grandfather to be punished if he keeps acting up. He is TERRIFIED that his grandfather will spank him. The man has never lifted a finger to my son, nor will he, without my permission. When I was a kid, I was a horrible child. I lied, I stole, I did everything under the sun. Including setting my house on fire. Twice. Once at 3 years old, once at 13. I see both sides of this because I was the horrible kid, but I have no qualms about whomping my kid when he does something I will not condone. But, I am very against the marks he left in the photos.

That being said, I simply won't take the kid's words as gospel because, as it's been stated in this thread... Kids say a lot of bullshit that isn't true, to deflect blame so they don't get in as much trouble.

And when I was a kid, I got the fuck all spanked out of me until I was just about 11. Then my mom wised up and realized I started wearing sweats under my pants. LAWL TROLLED.

[SHAFT]

I feel like the most important point of this case is being somewhat obscured (albeit justifiably) by the disgust at child abuse. The most important point is this:

1. Peterson has not been convicted, only indicted.
2. Peterson is not playing tomorrow.
3. Greg Hardy was convicted.
4. Greg Hardy is playing tomorrow.

Why is this important? Because Roger Goodell released a(nother) blatant lie yesterday, claiming that Ray Rice's description of the events was "starkly different" from what was shown on the tape... except court documents specifically stated Rice struck his then-fiancee and rendered her unconscious, and multiple sources have confirmed that Rice said the same to Goodell before the two game suspension. And because Goodell serves at the pleasure of the owners as a whole. Any individual owner could take the step that the Vikings owner did, and while it's plausible he only did so because of the current public relations climate that climate applies even more for Carolina. The owners as a whole could fire Goodell today if they wanted to...

...but they haven't, even as he piles lies on top of lies and (seemingly) puts less and less effort into crafting them. This is what the owners (as a whole) think of you. That you're so addicted to the pigskin that they can feed you any bullshit and you'll keep tuning in, keep buying tickets. I'm not saying you should boycott the NFL, I'm just urging you to keep this in mind the next time you have the opportunity to side with ownership, for instance during a lockout.You couldn't be more wrong about the Peterson case, but this was still the sickest burn of the week.

The Panthers have an old school owner. They're going to let the legal process play out. The Vikings obviously felt the pressure.

[Ardwen]

So if hardy loses this appeal and appeals up the chain the Panthers are going to continue to let him play? If thats the case he may as well keep appealing to the supreme court by then he'll be retired and it wont matter. The teams can inactivate players based on the appearance of impropriety which clearly happened with Hardy, and then some

[Astray]

I was disciplined with an oak paddle that had holes in it. When I was a smarmy little shit who would disrespect his elders. Only twice.

I would get a switch across the back when I was a disruptive jackass. Only once.

Any man, woman, parental figure that goes until a child is a bloody, bruised pulp is doing it because they are sick in the head.

[Latrinsorm]

The Panthers have an old school owner. They're going to let the legal process play out. The Vikings obviously felt the pressure.Hardy was convicted! How far does the legal process have to play out? I recognize that Ardwen already made this point, but come on now.

[Aiska]

This is going to be a really exhausting season, isn't it

[Androidpk]

This is going to be a really exhausting season, isn't it

Wait until we get to act II, you haven't seen anything yet!

[Gompers]

This is going to be a really exhausting season, isn't it
Only if you enjoy listening to football on talk radio. Those that do are listening to hosts and guests talk about subjects that they have no business (and no idea how) to talk about... Dedicating hours to it and applying countless buzzwords through out their cast. Last week was bad. Really bad. This week, I'll listen in Monday and then stick with music for the rest of the week.

[SHAFT]

Hardy was convicted! How far does the legal process have to play out? I recognize that Ardwen already made this point, but come on now.

The legal process is currently bring played out. The owner of the panthers said he was awaiting the process to play out. Take it up with mr Richardson.

[Gelston]

I guess we were all brought up different ways. I stand by my statements. I don't think he was wrong.

When I got in trouble I was told "go pick a switch". I don't know, it is reminiscent to how I was raised. I respect Adrian Peterson for disciplining his kids and not letting them grow up to be a bunch of dumbass thugs.

[Thondalar]

I guess we were all brought up different ways. I stand by my statements. I don't think he was wrong.

When I got in trouble I was told "go pick a switch". I don't know, it is reminiscent to how I was raised. I respect Adrian Peterson for disciplining his kids and not letting them grow up to be a bunch of dumbass thugs.

My dad named the hickory tree out back after me. I was never spared the rod. This isn't that...you can't honestly look at pictures of that boy's broken skin and think it's acceptable. I'm all for corporal punishment, but this goes a bit beyond that.

[Gelston]

My dad named the hickory tree out back after me. I was never spared the rod. This isn't that...you can't honestly look at pictures of that boy's broken skin and think it's acceptable. I'm all for corporal punishment, but this goes a bit beyond that.

The pictures I saw don't look bad at all.

[Wrathbringer]

The pictures I saw don't look bad at all.

Check them sober.

[Gelston]

Check them sober.

I have, bitch ass moocher. Maybe if you were raised properly you wouldn't be one.

[Wrathbringer]

I have, bitch ass moocher. Maybe if you were raised properly you wouldn't be one.

Lol. Yeah, if I were raised properly I'd be arguing how abuse is okay because I was abused. That's solid logic, right? I'd also state how I agree with and support said abuser and abuse because without abuse kids become thugs. Riiight...you we're raised properly, obviously. You go sober up now.

[Gelston]

Lol. Yeah, if I were raised properly I'd be arguing how abuse is okay because I was abused. That's solid logic, right? I'd also state how I agree with and support said abuser and abuse because without abuse kids become thugs. Riiight...you we're raised properly, obviously. You go sober up now.

And this is where we see it differently. I don't think it is abuse.

Regardless of the state I may or may not be in, however, I am an adult and execute my civil duties by paying taxes... That support moochers like you.

[Wrathbringer]

And this is where we see it differently. I don't think it is abuse.

Due to your fine upbringing, we know. Again, solid logic.

[Gelston]

Due to your fine upbringing, we know. Again, solid logic.

Oh, you obviously had great up bringing. You are no more than a thief.

[Wrathbringer]

And this is where we see it differently. I don't think it is abuse.

Regardless of the state I may or may not be in, however, I am an adult and execute my civil duties by paying taxes... That support moochers like you.

And I appreciate it. I'll take your change of topic and attempted insults as concession of my (and everyone else's but yours here) point.

[Gelston]

And I appreciate it. I'll take your change of topic and attempted insults as concession of my (and everyone else's but yours here) point.

Not changing the topic. I stick to my original post that started this thread that it isn't abuse. I just like pointing out that you are a shitty human being and a horrible American.

[Gelston]

I'm curious have you seen the pictures and read the story Gelston? Punishing a child shouldn't leave visible welts on them period, he is already in legal trouble, and depending how the rest of this works out it could wind up very serious legal trouble.

I apologize for the response I made to this post. While I do stick to my views, I do retract my comment that you are what is wrong with this country.

[Gompers]

The pictures I saw don't look bad at all.
Do you have any kids? I have a four year old - those pictures are proof that he went over board..

Edited to add: Besides, this is Texas we are talking about. If he was facing felony child abuse charges in New Hampshire I'd probably not be as inclined to agree with the situation. Texas will let someone else beat your child and not give a shit.

[Gelston]

Do you have any kids? I have a four year old - those pictures are proof that he went over board..

Edited to add: Besides, this is Texas we are talking about. If he was facing felony child abuse charges in New Hampshire I'd probably not be as inclined to agree with the situation. Texas will let someone else beat your child and not give a shit.

My parents would be in jail forever is all I am saying. I suppose we were all raised differently.

[Archigeek]

I think that when you're an absentee father you kind of lose the right to whip your kid so hard you break the skin in a dozen spots, including getting him on the scrotum, and no one should be stuffing leaves in their kid's mouth to keep them quiet during discipline.

I'd be less inclined to believe the story if it were just the kid's saying stuff, because kids can be coached, but the photos appear to be the handiwork of someone who went too far.

I never would have guessed this from him, as he has always seemed like such a super nice guy.

[JackWhisper]

I assume the following about the story.

1) He went too far with the punishment, physically speaking.
2) The statement of the child is suspect. It just is. Having gone through that kid's age, and having a child of my own, what he says shouldn't be taken as gospel. There's too much of a chance it's deflection. It needs to be corroborated and/or proven somehow.
3) If the mother is the one who coached the kid, for some personal gain of some sort, that sucks, but it does happen. NFL players are rich. Wives of NFL players usually are not as well off.


Anything else is just speculation until we see proceedings about this case.

PS: Hitting a kid anywhere near the nuts is asking for CPS to take your kids. A kid even SAYING their parent touched their genitalia in a violent way is asking for CPS to take your kids. And somewhere down the line, given enough of this, it will not matter, CPS will remove children from the parents care, PURELY to avoid the possibility. It happens a LOT. If enough is offered up for abuse, even without proof, your children will be taken to avoid the chance you are abusing them, and simply hiding it well. It then goes to the court system where you have to prove you're innocent, because you're assumed guilty due to your presence there. It happens. And it sucks.

[Warriorbird]

I assume the following about the story.

1) He went too far with the punishment, physically speaking.
2) The statement of the child is suspect. It just is. Having gone through that kid's age, and having a child of my own, what he says shouldn't be taken as gospel. There's too much of a chance it's deflection. It needs to be corroborated and/or proven somehow.
3) If the mother is the one who coached the kid, for some personal gain of some sort, that sucks, but it does happen. NFL players are rich. Wives of NFL players usually are not as well off.


Anything else is just speculation until we see proceedings about this case.

PS: Hitting a kid anywhere near the nuts is asking for CPS to take your kids. A kid even SAYING their parent touched their genitalia in a violent way is asking for CPS to take your kids. And somewhere down the line, given enough of this, it will not matter, CPS will remove children from the parents care, PURELY to avoid the possibility. It happens a LOT. If enough is offered up for abuse, even without proof, your children will be taken to avoid the chance you are abusing them, and simply hiding it well. It then goes to the court system where you have to prove you're innocent, because you're assumed guilty due to your presence there. It happens. And it sucks.

Fortunately or unfortunately the pictures back up what the kid said to a degree.

[JackWhisper]

Oh, I agree he punished his child far too severely. But I am shying away from the face hitting and leaf-eating statements. It's sort of fantastical, considering the situation. The welts though, yeah. I got my ass whupped when I was a kid, but I never had open wounds. Maybe a few raised blotches of skin here and there. But that kid looks like he took some lashes.

[Androidpk]

My parents would be in jail forever is all I am saying. I suppose we were all raised differently.

You were also raised in a different century. These days this is abuse.

[Ker_Thwap]

I think that when you're an absentee father you kind of lose the right to whip your kid so hard you break the skin in a dozen spots, including getting him on the scrotum, and no one should be stuffing leaves in their kid's mouth to keep them quiet during discipline.

I'd be less inclined to believe the story if it were just the kid's saying stuff, because kids can be coached, but the photos appear to be the handiwork of someone who went too far.

I never would have guessed this from him, as he has always seemed like such a super nice guy.

This! A part time father loses the right show up in a household and discipline a four year old. If you're there for the hard part of parenting, namely paying attention, setting expectations, setting an example, then the kid can learn right from wrong. Just showing up occasionally and expecting the kid to behave, sets the kid up for failure. AP whipped that child for APs failure as a parent.

[SHAFT]

Hardy was convicted! How far does the legal process have to play out? I recognize that Ardwen already made this point, but come on now.

The panthers have deactivated Greg hardy for this week.

[Latrinsorm]

Better late than never. Now, about firing Goodell...

[Keller]

I will never, ever physically batter my children.

But I'll be livid if another man's livelihood is taken away for what he views, and society has historically respected, as disciplining his child.

[Wrathbringer]

I will never, ever physically batter my children.

But I'll be livid if another man's livelihood is taken away for what he views, and society has historically respected, as disciplining his child.

No one ever respected leaving bloody whelps on a child's scrotum.

Edit: except gelston

[Furryrat]

I will never, ever physically batter my children.

But I'll be livid if another man's livelihood is taken away for what he views, and society has historically respected, as disciplining his child.

^

[Androidpk]

No one ever respected leaving bloody whelps on a child's scrotum.

Gelston does.

[Wrathbringer]

Gelston does.

My edit posted same time as your post. I'm leaving it. Also, hahahahaha

[Keller]

No one ever respected leaving bloody whelps on a child's scrotum.

Edit: except gelston

Does the child have bloody whelps on his scrotum?

[Tgo01]

Does the child have bloody whelps on his scrotum?

I sure hope he doesn't have bloody children or puppies on his scrotum :O

As far as bloody welts on his scrotum, Adrian apparently admitted he hit the child in the scrotum in a tweet. Granted he said it was an accident but I want to know what kind of punishment he was administering where you hit the kid in the nuts on accident.

[Keller]

I sure hope he doesn't have bloody children or puppies on his scrotum :O

As far as bloody welts on his scrotum, Adrian apparently admitted he hit the child in the scrotum in a tweet. Granted he said it was an accident but I want to know what kind of punishment he was administering where you hit the kid in the nuts on accident.

I assume it was a bottom whooping and the child's scrotum was hanging between his legs, which has been known to happen.

[Wrathbringer]

I assume it was a bottom whooping and the child's scrotum was hanging between his legs, which has been known to happen to children with huge scrotums.

I guess?

[Androidpk]

His scrotum was burned by dragon whelps!

[JackWhisper]

Whelps?! WHERE?!

LEFT SIDE! NOW! HANDLE IT!

http://youtu.be/0yKqKg6DfTY?t=2m36s

[Androidpk]

Seriously. I hope Peterson docked his son 50dkp for that bullshit.

[JackWhisper]

Dumbass noob didn't know how to reset his aggro.

[Warriorbird]

Trolling back at Latrin. A fine NBA opinion.

http://deadspin.com/charles-barkley-every-black-parent-in-the-south-hits-1634585481

[Tgo01]

Trolling back at Latrin. A fine NBA opinion.

http://deadspin.com/charles-barkley-every-black-parent-in-the-south-hits-1634585481

Isn't Charles Barkley the black Republican who turned Democrat as soon as Obama entered the running? And here he is defending a black man who beat his child because that's just how black people do things in the south. I have to fight the urge to roll my eyes because I'm afraid they are going to roll right out of their sockets if I do.

I also don't agree with the notion of "that's how things were done when I was younger."

Yes, 100 years ago women couldn't vote. 100 years before that it was probably legal to rape your wife. Sometimes change is good.

[SHAFT]

That's just turrible.

[JackWhisper]

Little factoids. Look em up with super googlefu if you want to know more.

200-250 years ago men had to pay another man if they raped the woman of the other man, for damaged goods. And more so if they killed/caused the death of the woman. Not countrywide in the USA, but it was around in various states.
Men paid a bride price to the family, the same as purchasing livestock. NOT the same as a dowry, for someone that thinks so.
And somewhere by the late 1800s, early 1900s, through different times across the country, women became no longer property, because when the rules changed, they could then OWN property, and at that time, property could not own property, as it all belonged to the owner of the original property.

And CB was an idiot, backing everything up with 'this is how we did shit down in the south' like that's okay.
Slavery was accepted in the South. That shit wasn't okay, now was it?!

That south stuff is a bunch of backwards redneck hick bullshit. Sorry if any of you live in a southern state, but it's not progressive, forward-thinking, or very live-and-let-live at all. It just isn't. There's a lot of good places to live in the south, but there's damn sure a lot of bad places. Just like the north. And east. And west. But since CB is 'from the south' he gets the shotgun to the foot. Saying shit like he had lacerations from his parents. THAT ISN'T OKAY, DUHHHH.

[Stretch]

People need to stop misusing the word factoid.

Also, my folks left worse marks on me as a kid, and at a similar age. This won't be the thing that screws the kid up (or at least wouldn't have been, until AP is made into an example). There's a fine line between discipline and abuse, but over correcting and taking away someone's livelihood/freedom can fuck up a family a lot more than it would help to prevent one or two switchings.

[Wrathbringer]

People need to stop misusing the word factoid.

Also, my folks left worse marks on me as a kid, and at a similar age. This won't be the thing that screws the kid up (or at least wouldn't have been, until AP is made into an example). There's a fine line between discipline and abuse, but over correcting and taking away someone's livelihood/freedom can fuck up a family a lot more than it would help to prevent one or two switchings.

No one is taking away his right to work. There are plenty of fast food jobs out there.

[Androidpk]

No one is taking away his right to work. There are plenty of fast food jobs out there.

Seriously. The only thing sad and shocking is that this dumb motherfucker stands to make $100 million for running around with a football. Where is the outrage over that? Nope, gotta stay focused on hating the people asking to at least get paid a living wage for working a full time job.

[Sorcasaurus]

Wow, I just saw the pictures. To be honest, I expected much worse from the way people are reacting to them.

Did he go too far on this? Sure, I think he did. Had the kid been wearing jeans, we likely wouldn't be talking about it. Do I think he is a chronic child abuser, and should have his career and child taken away from him? No, not for this singular incident. More information will come out, and he has already been indited. I'll wait to crucify him until after the investigation.

[Parkbandit]

Seriously. The only thing sad and shocking is that this dumb motherfucker stands to make $100 million for running around with a football. Where is the outrage over that? Nope, gotta stay focused on hating the people asking to at least get paid a living wage for working a full time job.

Business... HOW DOES IT WERK!?

[Wrathbringer]

Wow, I just saw the pictures. To be honest, I expected much worse from the way people are reacting to them.

Did he go too far on this? Sure, I think he did. Had the kid been wearing jeans, we likely wouldn't be talking about it. Do I think he is a chronic child abuser, and should have his career and child taken away from him? No, not for this singular incident. More information will come out, and he has already been indited. I'll wait to crucify him until after the investigation.

I imagine the kid didn't have jeans on because he didn't even have underwear on. Obviously Adrian pulled them down to be sure blood could be drawn.

[Wrathbringer]

I imagine the kid didn't have jeans on because he didn't even have underwear on. Obviously Adrian pulled them down to be sure blood could be drawn.

From his balls. With a switch.

[Atlanteax]

Corporal punishment is effective when utilized *properly* ... AP apparently went too far...


I imagine the kid didn't have jeans on because he didn't even have underwear on. Obviously Adrian pulled them down to be sure blood could be drawn.

From his balls. With a switch.

... as that is obviously a bit excessive. Just use the belt over the buttocks, to demonstrate that you 'mean business' in expecting 'good behavior' from your kid... intentionally trying to draw blood from 'a sensitive area' is a bit too much...

[Sorcasaurus]

I do find it interesting the way the dialog about this has gone. In Texas it's legal to discipline a child with a switch. That alone seems odd to me. It is though, whether we like it or not. So, with a starting condition that hitting a child with a stick is OK, this case doesn't seem to be as vile as it's made out to be.

Given the endless depth of stupidity when you deal with large quantities of people, how does "You can go hit each other with sticks, just make sure you swing no harder than my ever changing scope of what's reasonable allows" seem like a good idea?I'd rather see the public outcry for changing the law.

[Buckwheet]

As far as his entire NFL career goes, it doesn't matter to me one bit. He plays in MN, MN has laws about 4 year old kids and under where leaving bruises or marks from corporal punishment is a felony. Many citizens believe in these laws and may not want to have someone of his stature going against laws they believe are valid and fair.

Yes this happened in Texas and maybe nothing will happen to him per Texas law, but that certainly doesn't mean that the fan base in MN is in agreement with what he did. Ultimately I think that is what is going to decide what happens to players like AP, Vick and Rice. If the fanbase doesn't support their actions and you happen to be the player who is used on billboards and all the marketing campaigns in the state for the franchise, you should probably expect to be traded, released, or whatever else there is from the team.

Right now I dislike him as a person as I don't agree or condone what he did, and I certainly don't want my kid looking to him as some kind of role model, and I have zero plans to support anything the organization is going to do. I could be alone, but maybe I am not.



In determining reasonableness, Minn. Stat. § 609.377 makes clear that substantial or great bodily harm to a child of any age is never considered reasonable and is a felony offense. Substantial bodily harm 7 MINN. STAT. § 609.377.
8 MINN. STAT. § 609.377.
9 See State v. Bridges, C9-01-1842, 2002 WL
31368016 (Minn. Ct. App. 2002).
10 In the Matter of the WELFARE OF
the CHILDREN OF N.F. and S.F, 749 N.W.2d 802
(Minn. 2008).
is defined as “bodily injury which involves a temporary but substantial disfigurement, or which causes a temporary but substantial loss or impairment of the function of any bodily member or organ, or which causes a fracture of any bodily member.


His face is all over for the new stadium, the current outdoor season, and I think he presents a large detraction from the organization in general. He should be traded or released from the Vikings if the general fan base is going to be turned off by his actions.

[Sorcasaurus]

As an aside to this: Whenever stories like this plaster every media outlet, my first reaction is to see what Congress/Senate have done in the past week. They always seem to magically find a common ground while the media is looking elsewhere.

[Keller]

No one is taking away his right to work. There are plenty of fast food jobs out there.

Aren't you a self-espoused libertarian?

[Keller]

players like AP, Vick and Rice.

Is this one of those, "which one of these does not belong" games?

I get that some people, myself included, do not condone corporal punishment. But the man was doing what, in his opinion, would be best for his child.

[Buckwheet]

Is this one of those, "which one of these does not belong" games?

I get that some people, myself included, do not condone corporal punishment. But the man was doing what, in his opinion, would be best for his child.

Way to quote me out of context. Lets make it simple.

Player X does Y thing and is charged with a crime or is borderline criminal. I believe the "fanbase" will ultimately determine if that player ever plays for that team again especially if they are a player who is used as a primary marketing tool.

I don't give a shit what AP thinks. If a large percentage of MN fans actively stop buying merchandise and outwardly oppose Adrian being used to market for the Vikings, and it is a large negative distraction from the organization, they should trade him or release him. That is all I am saying.

Edit:

MN fans may hate AP while TX fans might love him due to the different cultures/laws/understanding. If that was the case he could leave MN and go to TX and still play. It wouldn't be a NFL thing at that point.

[Jace Solo]

The hardest part for me to get over is the age of the child.
I'm with Lanny on the excessive nature of the burning and what not and the kid obviously isn't old enough or of proper mind to be mouthing off (although depending on his mother that might not be true) and even if he were it doesn't excuse the bruising from the switch. Kids like 4 or something, right?

[Wrathbringer]

Aren't you a self-espoused libertarian?

No. I have a wife.

[Wrathbringer]

Is this one of those, "which one of these does not belong" games?

I get that some people, myself included, do not condone corporal punishment. But the man was doing what, in his opinion, would be best for his child.

Then he's also an incompetent parent, instead of just an abuser.

[Tgo01]

No. I have a wife.

Did you make your own marriage certificate too? /rimshot

Sorry, couldn't resist :p

[Wrathbringer]

Did you make your own marriage certificate too? /rimshot

Sorry, couldn't resist :p

Lol no way. I wanted the tax break. Heh

[Keller]

Then he's also an incompetent parent, instead of just an abuser.

You'll get no argument from me that corporal punishment is anything but lazy, uncreative, and ineffective punishment.

So I agree he is an incompetent parent.

[Keller]

No. I have a wife.

That makes sense.

[Ker_Thwap]

Did you make your own marriage certificate too? /rimshot

Sorry, couldn't resist :p

All libertarians are married, someone has to support them. /rimshot

This is too easy.

[Androidpk]

You'll get no argument from me that corporal punishment is anything but lazy, uncreative, and ineffective punishmen

Don't forget cruel.

[Wrathbringer]

All libertarians are married, someone has to support them. /rimshot

This is too easy.

:lol:

[g++]

Had Ray rice and Peterson in fantasy fml

[Keller]

Don't forget cruel.

Some may consider telling a child they can't have ice cream until they eat their broccoli is cruel, too.

I am not in the business of telling parents how to raise their children. I will judge them - but I'm not going to tell them what to do.

[Androidpk]

>Some may consider telling a child they can't have ice cream until they eat their broccoli is cruel, too.

Except that has absolutely nothing in common with beating a 4 year old with a stick.

[Wrathbringer]

Some may consider telling a child they can't have ice cream until they eat their broccoli is cruel, too.

I am not in the business of telling parents how to raise their children. I will judge them - but I'm not going to tell them what to do.

:spaz:

[Tgo01]

I am not in the business of telling parents how to raise their children.

I think this attitude is part of the reason we have so many shitty parents.

"It's none of my business!"

Or better yet when the abusive parent says "This is my house! It's none of your business!"

Maybe it's about time people started telling shitty parents how to raise their kids, maybe we wouldn't have as many pieces of shit adults in jail.

[Wrathbringer]

I think this attitude is part of the reason we have so many shitty parents.

"It's none of my business!"

Or better yet when the abusive parent says "This is my house! It's none of your business!"

Maybe it's about time people started telling shitty parents how to raise their kids, maybe we wouldn't have as many pieces of shit adults in jail.

Certainly in cases of blatant abuse such as this.

[Tgo01]

Unless these are pics of some other child that was beaten then these pictures look pretty bad to me...

https://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/adrian-peterson-son-injuries-4.jpg

http://nfldraftdiamonds.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/adrian-petersons-kids-leg.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRA7YwJgcBTt8PM0a6z1CcVErBYbdpT-kJA-RD2sr_Usoa_3E4EvQ

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRsElLPDLJMA17rWKIz0DptkWxV-ZgXECuXZxcohoksAcCmfu5AXA

And unless I'm mistaken these pics were taken after the wounds had some time to heal, right? This looks horrible.

What gets me is if this kid was walking around with a black eye and Peterson tweeted he had punched his son in the eye then this wouldn't even be up for debate as to whether or not the guy beat his child. But a dozen or so marks over his back, legs and hand and some people are like "Meh, what you gonna do? It's the south!"

[Warriorbird]

I think this attitude is part of the reason we have so many shitty parents.

"It's none of my business!"

Or better yet when the abusive parent says "This is my house! It's none of your business!"

Maybe it's about time people started telling shitty parents how to raise their kids, maybe we wouldn't have as many pieces of shit adults in jail.

You're being kicked out of the Republican Party in 5,4...

[Drevihyin]

Vikings reinstate Adrian Peterson after child abuse charge Hmmm...

[Sorcasaurus]

Did a bit more reading because I was a little confused about how the bruises are wrapping around his legs. I guess the stick chosen was long and thin/flimsy (not to belittle or dismiss it. just explain the bruise patterns) and was wrapping around/whipping his sides/front. That's what tagged the scrotum. Seemed like AP didn't know until after he was done hitting him. At least that's what the texts to his wife said. Mostly him feeling bad, and that she'd be pissed at his leg.

Not trying to excuse his actions, just understand what happened. He went too far, and knew it.

Also, if this all happened in May, how is it just coming out now? He was indicted this past week, but was questioned by the police when it happened initially...

EDIT: can has spelling? Thank you whoever pointed it out.

[Sorcasaurus]

Vikings reinstate Adrian Peterson after child abuse charge Hmmm...

Press release:

"Today's decision was made after significant thought, discussion and consideration," owners Zygi Wilf and Mrak Wilf said in a joint statement issued by the team.

"As evidenced by our decision to deactivate Adrian from yesterday's game, this is clearly a very important issue. On Friday, we felt it was in the best interests of the organization to step back, evaluate the situation, and not rush to judgment given the seriousness of this matter. At that time, we made the decision that we felt was best for the Vikings and all parties involved.

"To be clear, we take very seriously any matter that involves the welfare of a child. At this time, however, we believe this is a matter of due process and we should allow the legal system to proceed so we can come to the most effective conclusions and then determine the appropriate course of action. This is a difficult path to navigate, and our focus is on doing the right thing. Currently we believe we are at a juncture where the most appropriate next step is to allow the judicial process to move forward.

"We will continue to monitor the situation closely and support Adrian's fulfillment of his legal responsibilities throughout this process."

[Androidpk]

You're being kicked out of the Republican Party in 5,4...

That would be a win for the Republicans.

[Tgo01]

That would be a win for the Republicans.

You better check yourself before you wreck yourself!


Press release:

So in other words "Winning a football game is more important than the welfare of a child so we're going to ignore all of the evidence at our disposal and use the lame cop out of allowing the legal process to do its job first because let's face it *stifles a laugh* we all know the courts are going to let him walk with a warning so we're in the clear by going this route! HIGH FIVES ALL AROUND!"

[Keller]

Those pictures are consistent with getting hit with a switch.

Some of you led very sheltered lives if you think that is child abuse.

The world is a wicked, wicked place. What Adrian Peterson did to his son is a 2 on the scale of child "abuse."

[Wrathbringer]

Press release:

Translation: we got blown out this past week. With the abuser, we only lose by 14. He's playing until we're out of the playoff picture in week 8, then we'll sit him because it's the right thing to do.

[Wrathbringer]

Those pictures are consistent with getting hit with a switch.

Some of you led very sheltered lives if you think that is child abuse.

The world is a wicked, wicked place. What Adrian Peterson did to his son is a 2 on the scale of child "abuse."

Ah, the old "morality is relative" argument. Silly liberals. Apparently everyone led sheltered lives except you and gelston.

[JackWhisper]

Okay, since this simply has to be said, I'll put it up.

Read close. VERRA CLOSE.

Drawing blood from your child IS WRONG. IT IS ABUSE. I don't care if it's accidental, on purpose, or anything inbetween. It. Is. Wrong.

So are other things, but in this instance. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

No ifs/ands/buts about it. If this was blood from his nose, he'd be in jail. Location doesn't matter. He drew blood. That's way too far.

[Androidpk]

Okay, since this simply has to be said, I'll put it up.

Read close. VERRA CLOSE.

Drawing blood from your child IS WRONG. IT IS ABUSE. I don't care if it's accidental, on purpose, or anything inbetween. It. Is. Wrong.

So are other things, but in this instance. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

No ifs/ands/buts about it. If this was blood from his nose, he'd be in jail. Location doesn't matter. He drew blood. That's way too far.

Luckily for AP no one cares about black male on black male crime. If, however, he had beat a girl with a stick you know things would have turned out differently.

[Keller]

Apparently everyone led sheltered lives except you and gelston.

And another few billion people. But I'm Gelston and I are in that group.

[Jeril]

But I'm Gelston

That is a surprise twist I didn't see coming.

[Keller]

Gelston is my SECSECSEC persona.

[JackWhisper]

I LOLed at that, Jeril.

[Wrathbringer]

And another few billion people. But I'm Gelston and I are in that group.

I knew it!

[Buckwheet]

Those pictures are consistent with getting hit with a switch.

Some of you led very sheltered lives if you think that is child abuse.

The world is a wicked, wicked place. What Adrian Peterson did to his son is a 2 on the scale of child "abuse."

Considering what he did has been illegal in several states since the mid 70s why would that be hard to comprehend? I never got hit with a switch because it was illegal in MN before I was ever born, so some how that makes me live a "sheltered" life?

Look, I don't think hitting your kid with a wooden spoon, belt, fist, open hand, or with a piece of wood from a tree so hard that you break skin and cause unintended injuries is acceptable behavior from an adult. I was spanked as a child both with pants on and with pants off and the message it sent was pretty loud and clear, and I didn't have to worry about my dad's hand accidentally slapping the baby batter out of my balls by mistake. I don't care what people's stance on corporal punishment is in terms of to do it or not do it, but I will say if you are going to do it you better be in god damned control of what you are slapping around. As soon as the control on the part of the parent is gone, then it has moved into abuse in my opinion.

I mean jesus he has whip marks across his butt/back and they don't look nearly as bad as the whip marks on his leg? Why? Because AP even said it was too long and was getting extra force from whipping around his backside and slapping his leg.

It just paints a picture of an out of control, physically angry man, beating the piss out of some 4 year old kid.

From the Ray Rice thread someone said "Rice is a big strong guy who could have just gotten away from her, there was no need to become physical".

Well, AP is a "big strong guy who had no reason to whip this kid with a stick when his hand, leathery from years of NFL play, would have sufficed." And let me tell you, I think a bare ass spanking from AP would have blown my Dad's away, and that should be fear enough.

[Latrinsorm]

Trolling back at Latrin. A fine NBA opinion.

http://deadspin.com/charles-barkley-every-black-parent-in-the-south-hits-1634585481I don't get the reference.
Those pictures are consistent with getting hit with a switch.

Some of you led very sheltered lives if you think that is child abuse.

The world is a wicked, wicked place. What Adrian Peterson did to his son is a 2 on the scale of child "abuse."Is that like how what Roman Polanski did isn't rape rape?

[JackWhisper]

If you can threaten someone with the 'I will beat you like I beat my child!' card, it's child abuse.

[Jeril]

If you can threaten someone with the 'I will beat you like I beat my child!' card, it's child abuse.

What if they had a real redheaded stepchild?

[JackWhisper]

Dude, be real. Nobody ADMITS to fostering a ginger to adulthood.

[Jeril]

Dude, be real. Nobody ADMITS to fostering a ginger to adulthood.

I bet plenty of people admit to it. Just because you wouldn't doesn't mean everyone else feels the same!

[Tisket]

Those pictures are consistent with getting hit with a switch.

Some of you led very sheltered lives if you think that is child abuse.

The world is a wicked, wicked place. What Adrian Peterson did to his son is a 2 on the scale of child "abuse."

The world evolves. Used to be you could do anything and, as long as the child lived through it, nothing could touch you. Thankfully, we don't live in that world any longer.

I don't doubt that Peterson loves his children and I think he probably viewed his actions as a loving father administering needed discipline and I do not at all believe he should have his child(ren) removed. But counseling would be a good thing I think. Sometimes even well-intentioned parents need guidance.

[Jeril]

The world evolves. Used to be you could do anything and, as long as the child lived through it, nothing could touch you. Thankfully, we don't live in that world any longer.

I don't doubt that Peterson loves his children and I think he probably viewed his actions as a loving father administering needed discipline and I do not at all believe he should have his child(ren) removed. But counseling would be a good thing I think. Sometimes even well-intentioned parents need guidance.

Agreed.

[Keller]

The world evolves. Used to be you could do anything and, as long as the child lived through it, nothing could touch you. Thankfully, we don't live in that world any longer.

I don't doubt that Peterson loves his children and I think he probably viewed his actions as a loving father administering needed discipline and I do not at all believe he should have his child(ren) removed. But counseling would be a good thing I think. Sometimes even well-intentioned parents need guidance.

This is exactly my view.

[Keller]

Is that like how what Roman Polanski did isn't rape rape?

Not at all.

Hope that helps.

[SHAFT]

I don't agree with what Peterson did, but I do agree with letting the legal process play out. I'd rather the Vikings sit him the rest of the year however. I own asiata on a bunch of teams and Peterson nada.

[Androidpk]

Dude, be real. Nobody ADMITS to fostering a ginger to adulthood.

That would explain a lot about my parents.

[JackWhisper]

You heard it here folks. PK is a ginger, and god DAMMIT... HE HAS A SOUL!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY39fkmqKBM

[Androidpk]

Well, I'm a partial ginger, thanks to my facial hair. I don't have a soul though. I don't prescribe to that voodoo nonsense.

[Ardwen]

I think the Vikings handled it the right way, sat him while they checked the facts, as soon as they were comfortable how it was working out they are letting the legal process work out. Exactly the opposite of whatever the hell the Panthers are doing. Not exactly sure how the Niners are handling their issue, but since they refuse to even comment about it other then to say they are letting the legal system do its thing its worrisome, I mean we saw what the legal system accomplished in the Rice case.

[JackWhisper]

The Rice case got all kinds of blown out of proportion because Goodell tried to hide the evidence to save the NFL bad publicity. That is going to cost him his career, likely.

[Ardwen]

The NFL portion almost certainly is out of hand, but the legal system itself was a joke in this instance, just look up the statistics on how often what he did results in what he got as a penalty. All in all that tape being released is likely to make heads roll in more places the just the NFL offices.

[JackWhisper]

Oh, I think the entire video should have been put on CNN immediately. Rice would have been destroyed absolutely from jump street, as a HUGE example of what NOT to do if you are a role model in the NFL. But all this back room politics shit... ugh. It's redundant and mindless.

[g++]

The Rice case got all kinds of blown out of proportion because Goodell tried to hide the evidence to save the NFL bad publicity. That is going to cost him his career, likely.

He will be back in a year tops and he gets his money for this year anyway.

[Ardwen]

I think JW was commenting about Gooddell being gone not Rice.

[g++]

Ah got it.

[JackWhisper]

Yup, Ardwen is correct.

[SHAFT]

He's being investigated for other incidents.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KHOU/status/511644523861004288

* so it seems he's been cleared of this already

[Buckwheet]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24711257/vikings-didnt-use-due-process-excuse-when-they-cut-player-last-year

I think if you have a possible felony conviction awaiting outcome, you get sat until the legal issue resolves itself.

[JackWhisper]

I gotta ask this, and I'd really like some feedback.

Eight digits.

Eight. Fucking. Digits.

What in the HELL do people do with their common sense when they make THAT much money per year? I mean really? If it was me, I'd buy a rollercoaster for my backyard for my son, a four story house for my mom and dad, and I'd literally sit and play video games when I wasn't doing my job. Same thing as I do right now, except I don't make 10 million per year PFFT. What the heck is wrong with people?

[SHAFT]

He's also responsible for the greatest season a running back in the nfl has ever had. He ran for over 2k yards while suffering a torn acl the season before. LATE in the season mind you. Acl tears can ruin a person career, and he came back and went for over 2k rushing yards. Only 6 people had ever hit 2k before him. Adrian Peterson is pretty close to what the human race has to offer when looking for superman.

Which makes him beating his child with a stick all the more puzzling. Really? A stick?

[Androidpk]

I gotta ask this, and I'd really like some feedback.

Eight digits.

Eight. Fucking. Digits.

What in the HELL do people do with their common sense when they make THAT much money per year? I mean really? If it was me, I'd buy a rollercoaster for my backyard for my son, a four story house for my mom and dad, and I'd literally sit and play video games when I wasn't doing my job. Same thing as I do right now, except I don't make 10 million per year PFFT. What the heck is wrong with people?

Lets ask Aaron Hernandez.

[Parkbandit]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24711257/vikings-didnt-use-due-process-excuse-when-they-cut-player-last-year

I think if you have a possible felony conviction awaiting outcome, you get sat until the legal issue resolves itself.

I don't disagree with you in this case, since he's already admitted to using a switch on his 4 year old.. but as a rule, you are innocent until proved guilty. I don't think we should start firing people before they have their day in court.

[Androidpk]

I don't disagree with you in this case, since he's already admitted to using a switch on his 4 year old.. but as a rule, you are innocent until proved guilty. I don't think we should start firing people before they have their day in court.

Probably not but if it is employment at will..

business.. how does it work!?

[Tgo01]

Probably not but if it is employment at will..

business.. how does it work!?

When a rich white guy and money love each other very much...

[Parkbandit]

Probably not but if it is employment at will..

business.. how does it work!?

It works exactly the way it currently is. The Vikings have decided to let Peterson come back to work for them while the legal system works to decide the fate of Peterson.

[Androidpk]

It works exactly the way it currently is. The Vikings have decided to let Peterson come back to work for them while the legal system works to decide the fate of Peterson.

That's nice and all but they are under no obligation to wait for the legal system to decide before they themselves make a decision in order to protect themselves.

[Wrathbringer]

It works exactly the way it currently is. The Vikings have decided to let Peterson come back to work for them while the legal system works to decide the fate of Peterson.

Then why deactivate him in the first place?

[Sorcasaurus]

Then why deactivate him in the first place?

They are allowed to change their minds, or just suspend him until they investigate further. In this case they investigated the scoreboard at the end of the game and decided that a better chance at winning games was better for their business.

Maybe they plan to pull a Kobe and change his number, then pretend nothing ever happened.

[Buckwheet]

I don't disagree with you in this case, since he's already admitted to using a switch on his 4 year old.. but as a rule, you are innocent until proved guilty. I don't think we should start firing people before they have their day in court.

You aren't fired if you are just on the bench. I didn't say release or not pay. I just said...you don't play.

[Keller]

If there is one take-away from this whole mess, it is that if all four year olds carried switches, child abuse wouldn't happen.

[Parkbandit]

That's nice and all but they are under no obligation to wait for the legal system to decide before they themselves make a decision in order to protect themselves.

Absolutely.. just like they are under no obligation to not wait for the legal system to decide (unless the NFL mandates it)

[Wrathbringer]

Absolutely.. just like they are under no obligation to not wait for the legal system to decide (unless Obama mandates it)

.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I saw the pictures of the marks on the kid. They don't look as horrible as I imagined they would be from the comments in this thread, on the radio, etc. I know I came inside from playing when I was 4 with worse marks, countless times. I actually am in favor of corporal punishment, spankings specifically - not punching a child. I'm also ok with a belt for an ass whipping.

I think AP was disciplining his child. He thinks he was also (not like he hid anything). Not sure how it got to nationwide attention, but I cannot imagine the father/son relationship will get better for it. I'm glad I don't have any children.

As for the football team, I don't give a damn what they do. Neither do 99% of you, because it won't change a thing in your behavior, which leads to no change in theirs. The only thing happening now is a bunch of theatrics of how this is so terrible, yet if you watched football before, you are still watching it. If you didn't watch football before, you still aren't watching it.

Be the change you want to see, and stand by your convictions or just shut up about it.

[AnticorRifling]

I saw the pictures of the marks on the kid. They don't look as horrible as I imagined they would be from the comments in this thread, on the radio, etc. I know I came inside from playing when I was 4 with worse marks, countless times. I actually am in favor of corporal punishment, spankings specifically - not punching a child. I'm also ok with a belt for an ass whipping.

I think AP was disciplining his child. He thinks he was also (not like he hid anything). Not sure how it got to nationwide attention, but I cannot imagine the father/son relationship will get better for it. I'm glad I don't have any children.

As for the football team, I don't give a damn what they do. Neither do 99% of you, because it won't change a thing in your behavior, which leads to no change in theirs. The only thing happening now is a bunch of theatrics of how this is so terrible, yet if you watched football before, you are still watching it. If you didn't watch football before, you still aren't watching it.

Be the change you want to see, and stand by your convictions or just shut up about it.

I'm going to need a few more assumptions in your next post please, almost 3% of the the above quoted text is sans assumption. Thanks.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm going to need a few more assumptions in your next post please, almost 3% of the the above quoted text is sans assumption. Thanks.

Was my opinion any more or less assumptive than everyone elses here?

[AnticorRifling]

Was my opinion any more or less assumptive than everyone elses here?

Nope but I've not had a chance to give you a bowl of shit in a while. TAKE THAT!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Nope but I've not had a chance to give you a bowl of shit in a while. TAKE THAT!

I'm assuming you agree with me. ;)

[AnticorRifling]

I'm assuming you agree with me. ;)

I don't agree that bruises from playing are the same as bruises from a beating. But I do agree that this isn't national news to me and it won't change people watching the NFL.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I don't agree that bruises from playing are the same as bruises from a beating. But I do agree that this isn't national news to me and it won't change people watching the NFL.

I can respect that. And I wouldn't liken my playing cuts, scrapes or bruises (or breaks - I was either a very dangerous kid, or stupid, or both) to disciplining/beating/abusing either. Just they didn't look as bad as I'd assumed, based on the outrage.

[AnticorRifling]

I can respect that. And I wouldn't liken my playing cuts, scrapes or bruises (or breaks - I was either a very dangerous kid, or stupid, or both) to disciplining/beating/abusing either. Just they didn't look as bad as I'd assumed, based on the outrage.

They're on a 4yr old, they're bad. Pain might retain but I don't think he's old enough to really understand the lesson/intent and if there's no lesson is it punishment or is it abuse? This is why I had twins, I just hit one with the other so it's a bruise that looks just like them. PERFECT CRIME!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

All you people with dream killers / germ donkeys over react. Just like I do when it's about helpless dogs!

[Latrinsorm]

I saw the pictures of the marks on the kid. They don't look as horrible as I imagined they would be from the comments in this thread, on the radio, etc. I know I came inside from playing when I was 4 with worse marks, countless times. I actually am in favor of corporal punishment, spankings specifically - not punching a child. I'm also ok with a belt for an ass whipping.

I think AP was disciplining his child. He thinks he was also (not like he hid anything). Not sure how it got to nationwide attention, but I cannot imagine the father/son relationship will get better for it. I'm glad I don't have any children.

As for the football team, I don't give a damn what they do. Neither do 99% of you, because it won't change a thing in your behavior, which leads to no change in theirs. The only thing happening now is a bunch of theatrics of how this is so terrible, yet if you watched football before, you are still watching it. If you didn't watch football before, you still aren't watching it.

Be the change you want to see, and stand by your convictions or just shut up about it.I can't find any historical database for NFL TV ratings, but according to this article (http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2014/09/nfl-tv-ratings-2014-cbs-chiefs-broncos-week-two-overnights/) ratings were down for Week 2. The national window part can be explained to some degree by Kansas City being a cow town, but they reference earlier games too. Just something to consider.

[Tgo01]

Uh-oh. (http://www.aol.com/article/2014/09/16/anheuser-busch-visa-voice-nfl-disapproval/20963380/?icid=maing-grid7|maing15|dl11|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D530231)


Major sponsors including Anheuser-Busch are adding to the chorus of disapproval over the National Football League's recent scandals, but the companies are stopping short of pulling advertising.

Anheuser-Busch said Tuesday that it has spoken with the NFL about concerns related to recent incidents that are sparking outcry from fans, including an investigation into how long the NFL and its commissioner Roger Goodell knew about a video that shows Baltimore Raven Ray Rice beating his then-fiancee; as well as the Minnesota Vikings' decision to let Adrian Peterson play while he faces an abuse charge for spanking his 4-year-old son with a wooden switch.

McDonald's, Visa and Campbell Soup Co. say they have also voiced similar concerns to the league.

The statements come after Radisson hotels said Monday that it was pulling its sponsorship of the Minnesota Vikings. No other brands have pulled sponsorships from teams or the NFL.

But the statements from sponsors are becoming increasingly strongly worded.

Only last week, several big sponsors like GM and FedEx said they were monitoring the situation or watching it closely. Others like Anheuser-Busch and Procter & Gamble stayed silent.

This week, sponsors are making it clear they have made the NFL aware of their concerns. A-B used the harshest language, saying it was "disappointed and increasingly concerned."

The NFL responded to the sponsors' statements late Tuesday with a short statement of its own:

"We understand. We are taking action and there will be much more to come," the organization said.

As the NFL and various team executives navigate scandal, much is at stake: The money companies pay each year to be official sponsors -not including advertising and promotions- is worth about $1.07 billion for the league and all of its teams, according to sponsorship consultancy IEG. The NFL is a coveted partner for brands since an average of 17.4 million people tune in during a regular season NFL game, about 65 percent men and 35 percent women, according to Nielsen.

Experts say that brands are taking their cues by how upset consumers seem.

"It takes something pretty dramatic before those league sponsors who have invested in some cases hundreds of millions in their relationship with NFL seek to end their partnership or do something like that," said Jim Andrews, senior vice president of content strategy at IEG. "They follow the fans. They will be constantly monitoring and testing the waters to see what the fan reaction to this is."

For Anheuser-Busch, those sponsorship fees alone are worth an estimated $50 million. The beer maker said Tuesday that it is "disappointed and increasingly concerned" by the recent incident.

"We are not yet satisfied with the league's handling of behaviors that so clearly go against our own company culture and moral code," the company said in a statement. "We have shared our concerns and expectations with the league."

Also on Tuesday, McDonald's issued a similar statement, saying "we have questions surrounding these evolving situations and are closely monitoring as the appropriate parties investigate these matters," The company added it has "communicated our concerns to the league, and we expect it to take strong and necessary actions to address these issues."

On Monday, Visa said domestic violence in any form is unacceptable and has no place in the NFL and society.

"As a long-standing sponsor we have spoken with the NFL about our concerns regarding recent events, and reinforced the critical importance that they address these issues with great seriousness."

Campbell Soup said it had also spoken to the NFL about the Ray Rice video investigation.

"Upon completion of the investigation, we expect the NFL to take appropriate action," Campbell Soup Co. said in a statement. "We have shared our views with the NFL."

Also on Tuesday, Procter & Gamble responded to a fake Covergirl NFL ad that went viral on social media. The ad depicted a woman with a black eye. The company posted a statement on its Covergirl Facebook page saying "domestic violence is completely unacceptable". The company went further, saying that it has "encouraged the NFL to take swift action on their path forward to address the issue of domestic violence."

It might start affecting their bottom line. Shit is about to get real.

[Ardwen]

I am curious if you read the tweets SHM, I mean I am curious just how often children at the age of 4 come home with bloody welts on their private parts after being out playing. He went way overboard. All switching a child that young does is create a crying angry child, unless of course you do it often enough for the leson to stick I suppose....

[Thondalar]

I can't find any historical database for NFL TV ratings, but according to this article (http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2014/09/nfl-tv-ratings-2014-cbs-chiefs-broncos-week-two-overnights/) ratings were down for Week 2. The national window part can be explained to some degree by Kansas City being a cow town, but they reference earlier games too. Just something to consider.

"The Week 2 NFL national window, featuring Chiefs/Broncos in 56% of markets, drew a 14.6 overnight rating on CBS Sunday afternoon — down 18% from coverage featuring the Broncos/Giants ‘Manning Bowl’ last year (17.8) but up 1% from coverage featuring Jets/Steelers in 2012 (14.4)"

So...ratings were down for a game nobody gives a shit about compared to a game so hyped they have a special name for it? You don't say.

You're right, though, they do reference earlier games...in that they were up 1% over 2 years ago. Hmm.

[Buckwheet]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11541346/minnesota-vikings-reverse-decision-suspend-adrian-peterson

AP suspended.


Tuesday, Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton weighed in, saying Peterson's actions as described "are a public embarrassment to the Vikings organization and the State of Minnesota," and that "I believe the team should suspend Mr. Peterson, until the accusations of child abuse have been resolved by the criminal justice system."

Like I said before, this isn't about the law in Texas anymore. It is about how it is viewed in the area in which you play and who you represent. Vikings should start shopping him around immediately.

[Sorcasaurus]

AP is on some special list where he can't play, get's paid and doesn't take up a roster spot.

Glad to see the NFL is maintaining the same level of consistency they started this season with.

[Buckwheet]

AP is on some special list where he can't play, get's paid and doesn't take up a roster spot.

Glad to see the NFL is maintaining the same level of consistency they started this season with.

I think it just needs to become standard practice for the NFL. Felony charges pending? You sit until its resolved.

[waywardgs]

I'm from mn. I know several people-football fans- who were just going to watch the gophers instead.

[Maviur]

I think it just needs to become standard practice for the NFL. Felony charges pending? You sit (and get paid)until its resolved.

That'll show them.

Sad as it is to say--If this wasn't an election year would everything be handled as it was. (16 women from congress chime in)(Gov of Min chimes in)(The F'n Pres chimes in)

[waywardgs]

I think it just needs to become standard practice for the NFL. Felony charges pending? You sit (and get paid)until its resolved.

That'll show them.

Sad as it is to say--If this wasn't an election year would everything be handled as it was. (16 women from congress chime in)(Gov of Min chimes in)(The F'n Pres chimes in)

I don't think so. Plenty of football loving parents were sickened by this. They looked at the charges and AP's response and concluded that it wasn't the sort of thing they wanted to support, fans or not. Public pressure.

[Buckwheet]

I'm from mn. I know several people-football fans- who were just going to watch the gophers instead.

Exactly. Lots of people here at work were going to watch the game this sunday and they were going to cancel their parties if he played.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I am curious if you read the tweets SHM, I mean I am curious just how often children at the age of 4 come home with bloody welts on their private parts after being out playing. He went way overboard. All switching a child that young does is create a crying angry child, unless of course you do it often enough for the leson to stick I suppose....

I only looked at I think three pictures. I don't know one way or the other if it's abuse or not, just my impression of it so far is the pictures I saw were not horrific as everyone said, and it wasn't like he was hiding from it. I think the courts should dictate the answer to the question of is it abuse or not.

I'm not vested in one decision or the other though. I only know cursory "details" and I'm sure it could be far worse/better than what little I know. Obviously kids (or anyone) should not be abused, so I guess it's down to what is abuse? Were it to happen to someone I know, I'm sure I'd be more upset, so I guess that means I think it's abuse.

Abuse or not, it will not make a lasting impact to the NFL or it's fans though. Short term, maybe some sponsors drop off, but nothing will change there. Doesn't anyone remember the late 90's when all the coked up cowboys were getting plastered all over the news? Those guys are all still living large today. And if
disappointed and increasingly concerned is the most tersely worded advertiser criticism, it would not appear as if this is the straw the broke the camels back, lol.

[Latrinsorm]

"The Week 2 NFL national window, featuring Chiefs/Broncos in 56% of markets, drew a 14.6 overnight rating on CBS Sunday afternoon — down 18% from coverage featuring the Broncos/Giants ‘Manning Bowl’ last year (17.8) but up 1% from coverage featuring Jets/Steelers in 2012 (14.4)"

So...ratings were down for a game nobody gives a shit about compared to a game so hyped they have a special name for it? You don't say.

You're right, though, they do reference earlier games...in that they were up 1% over 2 years ago. Hmm.Earlier games in the day, not from earlier years. The part where it says "regional action... down 8%... down 15% from 2012". Allow me to express my amazement that you would seize on one game's tiny increase and ignore more games' large decrease...

:|
AP is on some special list where he can't play, get's paid and doesn't take up a roster spot.

Glad to see the NFL is maintaining the same level of consistency they started this season with.In a sense, though, this is the best way to effect change. Letting owners void a contract whenever the player does something heinous greatly reduces the cost to them. Forcing them to pay the player while not getting any production from him hurts their wallets, which incentivizes them to not tolerate this sort of behavior. Surely we are all aware that AD is not the only player who has abused his child. It took an unprecedented (and apparently illegal) leak of police files to bring about change for him.

[Androidpk]

Vikings changed their mind and deactivated Peterson indefinitely.

[Atlanteax]

Vikings changed their mind and deactivated Peterson indefinitely.

Fear the power of modern media...

[Latrinsorm]

Fear the power of modern media...The mob has always had power. The rich are much better off when this power is restricted to verbal action as opposed to physical.

[Buckwheet]

AP is now suspended without pay for the rest of season. Time for MN to trade him.

Even if he appeals and he wins, the sentiment towards the player is pretty blah right now. I guess by the time the 2015 season opens people might have forgiven him up here, but is it worth the gamble and the money?

[Gsgeek]

AP is now suspended without pay for the rest of season. Time for MN to trade him.

Even if he appeals and he wins, the sentiment towards the player is pretty blah right now. I guess by the time the 2015 season opens people might have forgiven him up here, but is it worth the gamble and the money?

Couple issues.
MN resident here if not necessarily a Viking fan.

The sentiment toward him is blah, because the team is blah right now. I guarentee if having Peterson back on the team now meant that they wouild make the playoffs, that most Viking fans would welcome him back with open arms.

As for his actual future with the team in 2015 and being worth the gamble, that was even in doubt before all this went down this year. Running backs have a finite life usually int he NFL, even the elite. Peterson's age, wear and tear and especially his salary cap hit I'm sure were becoming major factors. The speculation on local sports radio here was all over that before the season began and whether to trade him then and beyond while he sill had value, etc etc.

After this incident regardless of how most viking fans feel, Id wager that ownership doesnt want to deal with the headache and probably with their sponsers too and will try to trade or cut him, knowing his longevity is nearing its end.

[Geijon Khyree]

MN resident.

His cap hit is something like 14 million next year. The 2nd highest paid running back is McCoy at around 9.4 million. He's going to get cut. Only 4 teams had space for him and really nobody can absorb a 30 year old running back who turns 31 in week 5 or 6 next year at 5 million over anyone else. This is a passing league now. He'll play 2-3 more years, but this effectively ended his prime.

[Buckwheet]

What does it matter where you live? I live in MN too!

Anyways, most of the people in the office who wore Peterson jerseys have replaced them with Bridgewater jerseys. All the Peterson jerseys vanished from my neighborhood tailgating parties as well. Most people don't pay attention to his salary, at least not in the less hardcore circles I wander around in. Nobody seems upset he isn't going to come back is all I meant.

[Skip]

Am I crazy to think that AP is different from almost all other running backs in that he will be effective well into his 30s?

Public opinion of peterson while intensely negative at the time of the indictment, has already seemed to mellow. Mike Vic, who served jail time, is starting for the jets and nobody bats an eye a few years later.

I would bet peterson plays at a high level again soon, and this whole thing will just be a small footnote to a HOF career

[Sorcasaurus]

Am I crazy to think that AP is different from almost all other running backs in that he will be effective well into his 30s?

Public opinion of peterson while intensely negative at the time of the indictment, has already seemed to mellow. Mike Vic, who served jail time, is starting for the jets and nobody bats an eye a few years later.

I would bet peterson plays at a high level again soon, and this whole thing will just be a small footnote to a HOF career

I think he will last longer than normal for RBs for sure. Given his track record and the way he recovered from previous injuries, he may be the closest thing the human race has to superman. (not my line, I just got a kick out of it)

[SHAFT]

MN resident.

His cap hit is something like 14 million next year. The 2nd highest paid running back is McCoy at around 9.4 million. He's going to get cut. Only 4 teams had space for him and really nobody can absorb a 30 year old running back who turns 31 in week 5 or 6 next year at 5 million over anyone else. This is a passing league now. He'll play 2-3 more years, but this effectively ended his prime.

I expect the Vikings to release him as well. They have Mckinnon and will likely draft another RB this spring.

Someone will likely pick up Peterson and I expect him to have another year or 2 of excellent production. Not 1500-2000 yards, but probably in the 1000-1400 area. He's a unique talent.

[waywardgs]

Am I crazy to think that AP is different from almost all other running backs in that he will be effective well into his 30s?

Public opinion of peterson while intensely negative at the time of the indictment, has already seemed to mellow. Mike Vic, who served jail time, is starting for the jets and nobody bats an eye a few years later.

I would bet peterson plays at a high level again soon, and this whole thing will just be a small footnote to a HOF career

Hell, you can get a Michael Vick jersey for your dog. People have short memories.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Mike Vic, who served jail time, is starting for the jets and nobody bats an eye a few years later.

I recognize I'm only one person, but I stopped watching football when he returned. He tarnished the entire league, for me. I'm not PETA crazy, but I'm crazy enough I'll never watch a football game again unless something dramatically changes.

[Intrantes]

Am I crazy to think that AP is different from almost all other running backs in that he will be effective well into his 30s?

Public opinion of peterson while intensely negative at the time of the indictment, has already seemed to mellow. Mike Vic, who served jail time, is starting for the jets and nobody bats an eye a few years later.

I would bet peterson plays at a high level again soon, and this whole thing will just be a small footnote to a HOF career

I'd have said the same thing before the NFL hired Lisa Friel, Jane Randel and Rita Smith specifically to devolp the nfl's response and position on these player conduct issues. Seeing as how this is their collective first big decision when it comes to the nfl's stance on these issues of player conduct along with the ray rice saga, I can't see those ladies coming down with any decision that will allow either peterson or rice to play in the nfl this year, and i'd bet for the foreseeable future.

Sherriff Goodell's New Posse is gonna let the heads roll starting with rice and peterson, and i'd dare say greg hardy's done too.

[Intrantes]

just in on epsn

"Arbitrator Shyam Das ruled in favor of the NFL on Tuesday evening, saying the league can keep Adrian Peterson on the commissioner's exempt list, effectively ending any chance the Minnesota Vikings running back will play again this season."

Damn i'm good.

Full article here: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11899414/arbiter-shyam-das-rules-adrian-peterson-minnesota-vikings

[Atlanteax]

Goodell is a moron.

The NFL is treating Peterson like he did something on the scale of Sterling & the NBA.

Peterson is not what imperils the NFL's image...

[Gsgeek]

You know it isnt so much the penalty that bugs me, but the fact that the NFL and Goodell seem to be making it up on the spot or as they go along that does. Maybe like with Rice, they tell the player one thing and later on proceed to do what they want or what better benefits their public image. That's the perception I get from these last couple instances and probably the main reason the PA is so strongly defending them. Anyway.

Oh the state semi-mattered because of the sheer volume and detail you heard about Peterson both preseason and through the current one on his future status.

[Lord Orbstar]

it is because he is black

[Intrantes]

it is because he is black

Don't forget young and successful.

[Archigeek]

In the end this will come down to a comparison of his punishment by the courts in comparison to whatever the league might do. What probably bothers me the most (besides what he did of course) is that allowing him to stay on the exempt list for the rest of the season does nothing but punish the Vikings. I hope they are able to get through arbitration quickly, and I'll bet money that worst case he is suspended for a couple of games. Arbitration will view being held out for an entire season as pretty strong punishment.

[Skip]

1 year later(necro-bump) and AP is leading the league in rushing yet again.

Watching announcers awkwardly tiptoe around the reason why he was out all of last year has been a fun bonus to being a vikings fan.