312 to 318 screw Pally's

[Andrath]

Fuck you GMs, stealing 312 from clerics make me think you guys have serious mental issues with grasping reality, fuck Paladin's, they should get a weak rezz spell at higher levels because they are half-breeds, not be able to rezz BEFORE clerics who are suppose to be THE rezzers..

[Bobmuhthol]

Dear You,

This is old news, and you are retarded. I'll have the proof shortly.

[Artha]

What. The. Fuck?

Paladins aren't getting raise until 40*, and it's going to be limited to like once per day.

*Assuming they 1x spells. They are expected to .75x.

[Edited on 10-3-2004 by Artha]

[Bobmuhthol]

As opposed to having 312, 318, and 340, the three spells have been combined to 318. At 40 spell ranks, you also get the previous bonuses that 340 carried. In GemStone III, you had to have 210,000 experience for 312, 420,000 experience for 318, and 2,000,000 experience for 350. In GemStone IV, you need 167,000 experience for 312, 382,000 experience for 318, and 1,730,000 experience for 340. Add on to this the 2.5x, 6-hour experience modifier every 7 days. It becomes much easier to hit those limits, so the raise dead minimum became 318.

Now, let's talk about paladins. The paladin resurrect spell will be 40th level. That's a 2,000,000 GSIII and 1,730,000 GSIV MINIMUM. 382k or 1730k... let's compare here. IT TAKES OVER 4 TIMES AS LONG AS A PALADIN.

[Cayge]

Andrath=Double PWNED, buddy.

[Bobmuhthol]

He may be referring to this, but if he is, it means he's retarded:


Greetings future Paladins!

I've all but wrapped up my other Paladins spell assignments, and was looking at that glaring hole in the 12 spot, so I got to thinking, maybe I should see if anyone here has reviewed the list, and wanted to make a request?

Thoughts and discussion from everyone (stop lurking ;) are welcome and encouraged. After all, You'll be playing them the most, and I'd like to make your experience as enjoyable as possible.

note:
I'll be away from nearly all computers until Thursday, but then I'll be right back to this thread.


Taken from the official boards. It doesn't say anywhere that Paladins are getting a resurrect spell in their 12th slot, just that they don't currently have anything.

[Xcalibur]

With DR or losing stats points, death is even less something bad in gs4.

So why bother?

[StrayRogue]

The new death will be nasty, I think.

[Xcalibur]

Explain?

[StrayRogue]

Why do you care if you don't play, even though I know you do. Read the proposal of the new death system. It will be alot worse than it is now.

[Xcalibur]

Change your disk.

Explain what is the new system or if someone knows about it, explain it please.

[Kitsun]

Relatively longer lasting maybe but I wouldn't throw nasty as a label. I think you'll have crippled stats for anywhere from 12-40 minutes post-death. That varies based on deed, raised/depart, use of Chrism, etc. Then you have a CO point loss until you hunt it off or go through some quest to have it removed.

Unless you die frequently and let the CO points cumulate to stupid amounts and never have deeds yet always depart, it shouldn't be too terrible.

[Xcalibur]

What I saw before. That isn't a big issue for pures...

[StrayRogue]

Oh I agree. I don't see people decaying so willingly as they do these days, though.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<It will be alot worse than it is now.>>

Obviously, this isn't the intended death system. The way DR is supposed to be set up, it's a lot worse than death's sting. It just wasn't implemented.

10k or 20k DR, or 30 or 40 minute stat loss. How could you ever say the new system is worse?

[Xcalibur]

StrayRogue failed his logical course at high school.

That or he failed all his math courses.

[Edited on 3-10-04 by Xcalibur]

[StrayRogue]

Or you're a dumbass. The DR system was never properly implemented, and it never will be. The new death system, which isn't Deaths Sting, will be alot worse than it is now.

[LordWarclaidhm]

He's trying to say, FUCK YOU ALL YOU ALL SUCK.

LOL

[Xcalibur]

What means lol?

:rant:

I have bigger arms compared to that guy and I don't brag = I am cool.

[Andrath]

I don't give a flying flip about pally's, I want rezz back at 312...why have it at 318..why not do the 25/40 thing to 312..although Fervent Reproach is a devastating spell..it should be tweaked and put to 318..I know Warclaidhm is with me...FUCK PALLYS

[StrayRogue]

There is hardly a difference between it being in the 312 or the 318 slot.

[Artha]

I know Warclaidhm is with me

This is generally something that you don't want to mention.

Like if I were a vegetarian, I would be saying "Hitler was a vegetarian, so it's all good."

[Xcalibur]

6*40k, it's a lot of difference.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<fuck Paladin's, they should get a weak rezz spell at higher levels because they are half-breeds, not be able to rezz BEFORE clerics who are suppose to be THE rezzers..>>

<<I don't give a flying flip about pally's>>

<<I know Warclaidhm is with me...FUCK PALLYS>>

Of course, that's clearly sending the same message.

Also, WHAT THE MOTHERFUCK IS PALLYS?

[StrayRogue]

Are you a total retard? Exp doesn't go up like that any more and hasn't since GS4 started.

[Xcalibur]

Total retard = not knowing an information?

Guess the whole planet is fucking retard by your logical, smally.

I am sure you are smart enough to understand what I meant.

If not, let me tell it: 6 more levels before getting the spell.

[StrayRogue]

I would call anyone who tries to give an uninformed opinion or advice when they themselves do not understand the basic premise or mechanics behind the problem, a total retard. Ergo, you are a total retard. 12 -18 is less than a weeks hunting these days.

[Kitsun]

Seriously, 6 levels isn't a big deal (at the lower levels ie <20). I've almost got my secondaries to level 20 by pissing around 3-6 hours a week for a couple months. If you care enough to be upset, putting a little dedication into a few levels shouldn't be a problem.

[Xcalibur]

On your standart. Still it's 6 more levels.

6 more levels before using it.

That's like putting 419 at 425, putting 506 in 512, putting 509 in 515, putting 1005 in 1011... all the 1100 circle getting a raise of 6 levels... et cetera.

That sux for the one that used it as their primary way to level.

:up:

[StrayRogue]

I'd like to see someone level off raising alone.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<12 -18 is less than a weeks hunting these days.>>

Sorry, no, it's only 25000 experience less than what it used to be. Anyone that can get 215k in less than a week isn't hunting like a normal person.

[StrayRogue]

Just because hunting for you is so difficult Bob, it isn't for the rest of us. A week was an exaggeration. 12-18 is not difficult, nor time consuming enough to warrant whining about this spell change. 312 alone pretty much makes up for it.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<A week was an exaggeration.>>

Making you wrong.

[StrayRogue]

Hush, child. I'm sure it could probably done. However, anything less than a months worth of hunting is hardly anything these days, and thats the point.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<I'm sure it could probably done.>>

Me: Anyone that can get 215k in less than a week isn't hunting like a normal person.

You're not telling me anything I don't already know.

<<However, anything less than a months worth of hunting is hardly anything these days, and thats the point.>>

Time has never changed. Just because GSIII did doesn't mean time goes any faster now. "These days" are the same as "those days": hunting for a month still takes a month to do.

[StrayRogue]

Hunting for a month in GS4, will gain you more experience at lower levels than hunting for a month in GS3 would.

[Andrath]

The afore metioned comment wasn't made to arise anger from anyone in these forums. OR get called a retard. I haven't been called a retard since 4th grade you unexcusable nitwit. 6 levels is alot of experience wether you think so or not...and Warclaidhm isn't a bad guy, just alittle misguided at times.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<OR get called a retard. I haven't been called a retard since 4th grade you unexcusable nitwit.>>

You can't read. Get the fuck off a message board.

[Artha]

omg something takes time oh no.

With XXX in, getting to 18 is not that long or that big of a deal.

[Andrath]

Me? Bob...you telling me to get off the boards? I didn't do anything...

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Andrath
Me? Bob...you telling me to get off the boards? I didn't do anything...

Heh. Nevermind, Andrath. Only Kranar can actually tell you to get off these boards. ;)

HarmNone

[AlahnnaDenale]

Methinks this one is one frenchfry short of a Happy Meal.

But yeah. I'm all for 312 going up to 318. You don't see a Sorc imploding at 12, a Wizard enchanting at 12, a Ranger getting his companion at 12, or a bard.. well. Bards are useless. :)

But yeah. It also helps lower the number (or at least frustrate) the MAing snerts who run their cleric in and vulture anytime someone thinks about dying.

[BigBadBonar]

312-318 is nothing. Everyone knows that your typical scripting powerhunter can hit 20 in a month. Go cry about lores being required for infusions with bane/smite.