Ferguson, Guns, and Cameras

[Androidpk]

I believe exhaling is part of breathing. Think about it. My original statement is correct, your response is just weird.

Your statement isn't true.

[Ker_Thwap]

Your statement isn't true.

"Pfft, if they can breathe well enough to speak, you don't start mouth to mouth resuscitation. Everyone knows that."

When a person is having a conversation with you, do you often interrupt them to give them mouth to mouth resuscitation? Do you just start right in, or do you give the Heimlich first?

[Taernath]

Your statement isn't true.

Just so we're being clear, you're saying the choke hold he was placed in was preventing him from breathing, not preventing blood from reaching his brain, correct?

[Wrathbringer]

"Pfft, if they can breathe well enough to speak, you don't start mouth to mouth resuscitation. Everyone knows that."

When a person is having a conversation with you, do you often interrupt them to give them mouth to mouth resuscitation? Do you just start right in, or do you give the Heimlich first?

Depends how hot they are and if that particular day is a great day for America, obviously.

[Androidpk]

Just so we're being clear, you're saying the choke hold he was placed in was preventing him from breathing, not preventing blood from reaching his brain, correct?

I'm saying that it is possible for someone to say they can't breathe if they are having trouble getting air into their lungs.

[Ker_Thwap]

I'm saying that it is possible for someone to say they can't breathe if they are having trouble getting air into their lungs.

... and how in the hell does that invalidate what I said? You know who else doesn't admit when he's wrong? Yeah, you know.

[Androidpk]

"If they can breathe well enough to speak.." is what is wrong. You can do one without the other.

[Wrathbringer]

"If they can breathe well enough to speak.." is what is wrong. You can do one without the other.

Could be a poop and pee kind of thing. You know, how you can pee and not poop but you can't poop and not pee.

[Ker_Thwap]

"If they can breathe well enough to speak.." is what is wrong. You can do one without the other.

You can indeed do one without the other. You can breathe and not speak. You can not speak without breathing, unless you limit the definition of breathing to a fucking party trick. What kind of an utter moron responds to half a sentence. This is why people believe you're stoned half the time.

[Wrathbringer]

You can indeed do one without the other. You can breathe and not speak. You can not speak without breathing, unless you limit the definition of breathing to a fucking party trick. What kind of an utter moron responds to half a sentence. This is why people believe you're stoned half the time.

So I was right.

[Tgo01]

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/12007630/kobe-bryant-los-angeles-lakers-wear-breathe-shirts-warmup


LOS ANGELES -- Kobe Bryant and nearly all of his Los Angeles Lakers teammates wore black T-shirts that read "I Can't Breathe" before a 98-95 win against Sacramento on Tuesday night.

The Lakers each had the T-shirts on their chairs in the dressing room before the game. Every player except backup center Robert Sacre wore the shirts.

"I think it's us supporting that movement and supporting each other as well as athletes," Bryant said after the game. "I think the beauty of our country lies in its democracy. I think if we ever lose the courage to be able to speak up for the things that we believe in, I think we really lose the value that our country stands for.

"It's important that we have our opinions. It's important that we stand up for what we believe in and we all don't have to agree with it and it's completely fine. That's what makes this a beautiful country."

Bryant and the Lakers followed the lead of LeBron James, Derrick Rose, Kevin Garnett and other athletes across American sports by wearing the shirts to support the family of Eric Garner, who died July 17 after a police officer in New York placed him in a chokehold while Garner was being arrested. A recording of Garner's arrest showed him gasping "I can't breathe" during the fatal encounter, and thousands have protested a grand jury decision not to indict the officer.

Players are required to wear attire of Adidas, the NBA's official apparel provider, but a league source told ESPN's Jeremy Schaap earlier in the week that the NBA will not fine players who wore the shirts in warm-ups.

"I respect Derrick Rose and all of our players for voicing their personal views on important issues, but my preference would be for players to abide by our on-court attire rules," commissioner Adam Silver said Monday.

Lakers coach Byron Scott said he would support his players.

"Freedom of choice and freedom of speech," Scott said. "That's their choice, and whatever they choose, from my standpoint as a coach, I'm going to support them, but that's their choice."

Bryant insisted the growing unrest is not limited to issues of race.

"I think it would be a serious disservice to limit this to a race issue. It's a justice issue," he said. "You're kind of seeing a tipping point right now, in terms of social issues. It's become now at the forefront right now as opposed to being a local issue. It's really been something that has carried over and spilled into the mainstream, so when you turn on the TV and you watch the news or you follow things on social media, you don't just see African-Americans out there protesting.

"It's become a thing where people are really standing up for their rights and really questioning the justice system and questioning the process of the legal system and those who have authority -- and whether or not they're abusing authority and what's the threshold to use deadly force and so forth and so on. But that's what our nation is founded on, man. We have the ability to question these things in a peaceful fashion. That's what makes us a great country. We have the ability to voice up, we have the platform to speak up, and we have the platform to affect change."

What a bunch of pieces of shit. Just play the damn game you are way too over paid to play and shut the fuck up. A bunch of law breakers supporting a law breaker. Who woulda thunk it?

[Androidpk]

You can indeed do one without the other. You can breathe and not speak. You can not speak without breathing, unless you limit the definition of breathing to a fucking party trick. What kind of an utter moron responds to half a sentence. This is why people believe you're stoned half the time.

It's like you've never taken a bio course.

[Methais]

Could be a poop and pee kind of thing. You know, how you can pee and not poop but you can't poop and not pee.



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Poop, but pee, too. Poop, as well as pee. One can pee and not poop, but one cannot poop and not pee, grasshoppa.

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[Wrathbringer]

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:lol:

[Taernath]

It's like you've never taken a bio course.

If you can't breathe, your trachea is blocked or closed off. If your trachea is closed, you can't pass air over your vocal chords. If you can't pass air over your vocal chords, you can't talk.

[Jarvan]

It's like you've never taken a bio course.

I can see it now in PK's world...

A cop puts an Arm lock on a person to facilitate arresting them... the person screams "You're breaking my arm!" the cop is legally required to desist... the person grabs the cops gun and kills him.

A cop takes down a suspect and has him on the ground, face down in the cement with his knee on his back, the person says.. "I can't Breath!" the cop lets him up.. and the suspect runs away, or strikes the officer.

Cause I mean... criminals don't lie, right? We must respect the criminal's rights to defend themselves....

[Wrathbringer]

I can see it now in PK's world...

A cop puts an Arm lock on a person to facilitate arresting them... the person screams "You're breaking my arm!" the cop is legally required to desist... the person grabs the cops gun and kills him.

A cop takes down a suspect and has him on the ground, face down in the cement with his knee on his back, the person says.. "I can't Breath!" the cop lets him up.. and the suspect runs away, or strikes the officer.

Cause I mean... criminals don't lie, right? We must respect the criminal's rights to defend themselves....

Innocent until proven guilty.

[Androidpk]

If you can't breathe, your trachea is blocked or closed off. If your trachea is closed, you can't pass air over your vocal chords. If you can't pass air over your vocal chords, you can't talk.

You can also have trouble breathing if your lungs are restricted. If you're lying down on your back or chest and someone is putting pressure on you, so your lungs are incapable of expanding, you're going to be very hard pressed to breathe normally. You can still exhale the air in your lungs though, hence speaking while having trouble breathing.

[Androidpk]

I can see it now in PK's world...

A cop puts an Arm lock on a person to facilitate arresting them... the person screams "You're breaking my arm!" the cop is legally required to desist... the person grabs the cops gun and kills him.

A cop takes down a suspect and has him on the ground, face down in the cement with his knee on his back, the person says.. "I can't Breath!" the cop lets him up.. and the suspect runs away, or strikes the officer.

Cause I mean... criminals don't lie, right? We must respect the criminal's rights to defend themselves....

A broken arm isn't going to kill anyone.

[Warriorbird]

I understand that some people don't believe that violating departmental guidelines and excessive force exist. They do, whether you believe that is fortunate or not. So do wrongful death suits.

[Jarvan]

I understand that some people don't believe that violating departmental guidelines and excessive force exist. They do, whether you believe that is fortunate or not. So do wrongful death suits.

I do hope they also sue McDonalds for making the guy fat. They also need to sue the city of new york for increasing cig taxes which directly resulted in his death as well.

[Taernath]

I understand that some people don't believe that violating departmental guidelines and excessive force exist. They do, whether you believe that is fortunate or not. So do wrongful death suits.

He violated department guidelines, sure, and should probably be fired. I didn't see anything excessive or 'p0l1c3 br00t4l1ty' about putting that giant dude in a chokehold to get compliance though. It's not like cops have the luxury of being able to get someone's full medical history before they try to make an arrest.

[Androidpk]

He violated department guidelines, sure, and should probably be fired. I didn't see anything excessive or 'p0l1c3 br00t4l1ty' about putting that giant dude in a chokehold to get compliance though. It's not like cops have the luxury of being able to get someone's full medical history before they try to make an arrest.

Put cuffs on and sit him up.

[Taernath]

Put cuffs on and sit him up.

Nobody was leaning on him 30 seconds after he was taken down and put in cuffs. The video might have skipped some time, but it's hard to tell.

[Tgo01]

He violated department guidelines, sure, and should probably be fired. I didn't see anything excessive or 'p0l1c3 br00t4l1ty' about putting that giant dude in a chokehold to get compliance though. It's not like cops have the luxury of being able to get someone's full medical history before they try to make an arrest.

Excuse me sir; do you have any medical problems that could be complicated by use of a taser gun or a take down move?

Even if the cops did ask that I could see it now "Cops violate HIPAA by asking personal medical questions! Why do these pigs think they have the right to our personal medical information? Vaccines are current, don't shoot!"

[waywardgs]

I love watching the mental gymnastics involved in blaming the victim. Some of you guys could be Olympians.

[Tgo01]

I love watching the mental gymnastics involved in blaming the victim. Some of you guys could be Olympians.

I'm not blaming the victim, I'm just not idolizing a law breaker as if he were some sort of hero.

I think it's a good lesson to send to assholes out there; don't break the law and the racist white cops won't kill you.

[Latrinsorm]

I'm not blaming the victim, I'm just not idolizing a law breaker as if he were some sort of hero.

I think it's a good lesson to send to assholes out there; don't break the law and the racist white cops won't kill you."It is probably wrong for people to be killed for selling cigarettes illegally."
"WAY TO IDOLIZE LAW BREAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111"

[Tgo01]

"It is probably wrong for people to be killed for selling cigarettes illegally."
"WAY TO IDOLIZE LAW BREAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111"

Stop Latrining.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

When are they going to start arresting the fucks?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4Jr1xxgBI4#t=74

And is some motherfucker is standing on the highway, I hope to fuck they get run over and crippled for life.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Fucking give me a break.

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[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

She can't spell either.
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[Tgo01]

I wonder how many of these people are crying over all of the police officers killed in the line of duty who can no longer breathe.

What's really strange is there are black police officers killed in the line of duty so this is obviously not just a race thing otherwise they would be crying over the slain black police officers, right? The only thing left is what Latrin doesn't want to hear; people are crying because a criminal died.

[Androidpk]

I wonder how many of these people are crying over all of the police officers killed in the line of duty who can no longer breathe.

What's really strange is there are black police officers killed in the line of duty so this is obviously not just a race thing otherwise they would be crying over the slain black police officers, right? The only thing left is what Latrin doesn't want to hear; people are crying because a criminal died.

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[Tgo01]

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pk hates the truth :(

[Androidpk]

I like the truth but I enjoy laughing at stupid comments even more.

[Tgo01]

I like the truth but I enjoy laughing at stupid comments even more.

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[Fallen]

I wonder how many of these people are crying over all of the police officers killed in the line of duty who can no longer breathe.

What's really strange is there are black police officers killed in the line of duty so this is obviously not just a race thing otherwise they would be crying over the slain black police officers, right? The only thing left is what Latrin doesn't want to hear; people are crying because a criminal died.

Were there any cops killed where the guy who killed them didn't even go to trial?

[Tgo01]

Were there any cops killed where the guy who killed them didn't even go to trial?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/06/henry-goedrich-magee-murder-shooting_n_4740369.html


DALLAS (AP) — A grand jury has declined to charge a Central Texas man for killing a sheriff's deputy who entered his home to carry out a search warrant.

Henry Goedrich Magee was accused of capital murder for the Dec. 19 death of Burleson County Sgt. Adam Sowders. Magee's attorney, Dick DeGuerin, said Thursday the grand jury did not return a capital murder indictment against Magee.

Sheriff's deputies entered Magee's rural home near Somerville to search for guns and marijuana. DeGuerin has said Magee awoke and thought burglars were entering his home about 90 miles northwest of Houston, reached for a gun and opened fire.

Magee was charged with possession of marijuana after deputies recovered a handful of plants and seedlings.

District Attorney Julie Renken did not immediately comment.

If you can't indict a cop killer in Texas then you know something is up.

A cop is killed in the line of duty and it receives a 7 sentence blurb in the news.

A criminal is killed while resisting arrest and it's world wide news and sparks protests and national debates and gets the president and his cabinet to weigh in on the matter.

What is the difference other than one is a cop and one is a criminal?

[waywardgs]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/06/henry-goedrich-magee-murder-shooting_n_4740369.html



If you can't indict a cop killer in Texas then you know something is up.

Sounds like failure to identify as a cop. As far as that guy knew it was a burglary. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often with the rise of no-knock warrants. That's what happens when the government decides it can enter private residences for any reason it feels like.

[Tgo01]

Sounds like failure to identify as a cop. As far as that guy knew it was a burglary.

There you go blaming the victim again!

Sounds like fatty failed to not be fat and not have a lot of health conditions then decided to break the law then decided to resist arrest. As far as the cops knew he should have been able to handle 15 seconds of rough housing considering he started it.

A cop is killed in the line of duty and it receives a 7 sentence blurb in the news.

A criminal is killed while resisting arrest and it's world wide news and sparks protests and national debates and gets the president and his cabinet to weigh in on the matter.

What is the difference other than one is a cop and one is a criminal?

[waywardgs]

There you go blaming the victim again!

Sounds like fatty failed to not be fat and not have a lot of health conditions then decided to break the law then decided to resist arrest. As far as the cops knew he should have been able to handle 15 seconds of rough housing considering he started it.

A cop is killed in the line of duty and it receives a 7 sentence blurb in the news.

A criminal is killed while resisting arrest and it's world wide news and sparks protests and national debates and gets the president and his cabinet to weigh in on the matter.

What is the difference other than one is a cop and one is a criminal?

In this case, the "victim" was the guy who was under the impression that his house was being broken into. I thought you conservatives were all about personal liberty and rights? Stand your ground and all that?

[Androidpk]

The dude was selling loose cigarettes not raping kids.

[waywardgs]

You know what sucks about that situation? A cop died for a "handful of plants and seedlings."

What a fucking joke our government is sometimes.

[Tgo01]

In this case, the "victim" was the guy who was under the impression that his house was being broken into. I thought you conservatives were all about personal liberty and rights? Stand your ground and all that?

Wait, the victim in this case was the criminal whose house was being raided and was sent to jail because of what the raid turned up and not the police officer who was killed just for doing his job?

Okay...

A cop is killed in the line of duty and it receives a 7 sentence blurb in the news.

A criminal is killed while resisting arrest and it's world wide news and sparks protests and national debates and gets the president and his cabinet to weigh in on the matter.

What is the difference other than one is a cop and one is a criminal?


The dude was selling loose cigarettes not raping kids.

A cop is killed in the line of duty and it receives a 7 sentence blurb in the news.

A criminal is killed while resisting arrest and it's world wide news and sparks protests and national debates and gets the president and his cabinet to weigh in on the matter.

What is the difference other than one is a cop and one is a criminal?

The thing is I can totally see where the grand jury was coming from in the cop dying in the raid too. If a bunch of police basically break into someone's home (even though legally, the guy doesn't know that) then it's kind of hard to fault the guy for defending himself.

The funny part is my arguments are pretty consistent; a cop is killed and I don't think it was murder and think it's okay that the grand jury didn't indict, a criminal resists arrest the police try to get him to comply and he dies in the process I don't think it was murder and it's okay the grand jury didn't indict.

Who are the ones jumping through mental gymnastics trying to differentiate between these two cases now?

[Androidpk]

I love how you keep saying criminal. That offense carries as much weight as jay walking.

[waywardgs]

Wait, the victim in this case was the criminal whose house was being raided and was sent to jail because of what the raid turned up and not the police officer who was killed just for doing his job?

Okay...

A cop is killed in the line of duty and it receives a 7 sentence blurb in the news.

A criminal is killed while resisting arrest and it's world wide news and sparks protests and national debates and gets the president and his cabinet to weigh in on the matter.

What is the difference other than one is a cop and one is a criminal?



A cop is killed in the line of duty and it receives a 7 sentence blurb in the news.

A criminal is killed while resisting arrest and it's world wide news and sparks protests and national debates and gets the president and his cabinet to weigh in on the matter.

What is the difference other than one is a cop and one is a criminal?

The thing is I can totally see where the grand jury was coming from in the cop dying in the raid too. If a bunch of police basically break into someone's home (even though legally, the guy doesn't know that) then it's kind of hard to fault the guy for defending himself.

The funny part is my arguments are pretty consistent; a cop is killed and I don't think it was murder and think it's okay that the grand jury didn't indict, a criminal resists arrest the police try to get him to comply and he dies in the process I don't think it was murder and it's okay the grand jury didn't indict.

Who are the ones jumping through mental gymnastics trying to differentiate between these two cases now?

I see your point now and am inclined to sympathize. I think the larger issue at hand, for me, is police overstepping their boundaries. No knock warrants have skyrocketed. Police are militarized. There's a lot of issues at play here, not the least of which is our silly war on "plants and seedlings." It's sad. I blame poor public policy for that cop's death.

[Tgo01]

I love how you keep saying criminal. That offense carries as much weight as jay walking.

Wait, I thought you liked the truth?

criminal:

a person who has committed a crime.

Did the person not commit a crime? Was the person not under arrest for committing a crime at the time of his death?

A cop is killed in the line of duty and it receives a 7 sentence blurb in the news.

A criminal is killed while resisting arrest and it's world wide news and sparks protests and national debates and gets the president and his cabinet to weigh in on the matter.

What is the difference other than one is a cop and one is a criminal?


Police are militarized.

Police wearing kevlar vests and helmets because they get shot at and have rocks thrown at them by the people they are sworn to protect means they are militarized?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The dude was selling loose cigarettes not raping kids.


I love how you keep saying criminal. That offense carries as much weight as jay walking.

Why did he resist arrest then?

[Androidpk]

Why did he resist arrest then?

Why were they trying to arrest him?

[Androidpk]

It isn't just kevlar and helmets, it's assault rifles and armored military vehicles.

[Tgo01]

It isn't just kevlar and helmets, it's assault rifles and armored military vehicles.

Aren't rifles easier to aim and more accurate than pistols?

[waywardgs]

Why does Doraville, GA, pop 8000, need a tank? DOD has a glut of leftover military shit being repurposed for police. Crime is at an all time low. Doesn't jive. It's unnecessary and dangerous. Serving a no-knock warrant in the middle of the night based on a tip that there might be some pot in a house is silly, dangerous and bad policing in general.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Why were they trying to arrest him?

Are you obtuse?

[Tgo01]

Why does Doraville, GA, pop 8000, need a tank?

I have no idea. All of the insurgents over there?


Serving a no-knock warrant in the middle of the night based on a tip that there might be some pot in a house is silly, dangerous and bad policing in general.

I don't know. Are knock warrants more or less dangerous? Does it tip the person (people?) inside that police are waiting outside and gives them time to arm themselves?

[Methais]

I have no idea. All of the insurgents over there?



I don't know. Are knock warrants more or less dangerous? Does it tip the person (people?) inside that police are waiting outside and gives them time to arm themselves?

The person knows who's at his door before they enter the house.

If I woke up to people kicking my doors in or crashing through my windows I'd start shooting too. I wouldn't be like "Perhaps I should just stay in bed and do nothing, it could just be the police here to protect and serve the shit out of me."

[Androidpk]

Are you obtuse?

No.

[Androidpk]

Aren't rifles easier to aim and more accurate than pistols?

So you're okay with police having military gear?

[Tgo01]

The person knows who's at his door before they enter the house.

Yeah, I think that's why they do no knock warrants. I imagine if everyone cooperated with a knock warrant it would be standard procedure. There has to be a reason no knock warrants exist and I find it hard to believe it's because every police officer wants to be Rambo, although I suppose it's possible.


If I woke up to people kicking my doors in or crashing through my windows I'd start shooting too. I wouldn't be like "Perhaps I should just stay in bed and do nothing, it could just be the police here to protect and serve the shit out of me."

Yeah like I said I don't blame the guy one bit for defending himself. There doesn't appear to be a good solution to this, other than just demolishing the house with a bulldozer Gaze style, baby!

[Tgo01]

So you're okay with police having military gear?

Well what sort of loose definition of "military gear" are we using? Anything the military uses is considered military gear?

[waywardgs]

The person knows who's at his door before they enter the house.

If I woke up to people kicking my doors in or crashing through my windows I'd start shooting too. I wouldn't be like "Perhaps I should just stay in bed and do nothing, it could just be the police here to protect and serve the shit out of me."

x2

[Thondalar]

I see your point now and am inclined to sympathize. I think the larger issue at hand, for me, is police overstepping their boundaries. No knock warrants have skyrocketed. Police are militarized. There's a lot of issues at play here, not the least of which is our silly war on "plants and seedlings." It's sad. I blame poor public policy for that cop's death.

All of this boils down to incarceration being big business, coupled with our "nation of laws" mentality. Doesn't it bother anyone else that it's almost impossible to figure out how many laws we actually have? In 1982 the Justice Department tried to get an actual count of the criminal laws...and failed after 2 years. Nobody has even bothered trying since. How many more laws have been added in the last 30 years?


"There is no one in the United States over the age of 18 who cannot be indicted for some federal crime," said John Baker, a retired Louisiana State University law professor who has also tried counting the number of new federal crimes created in recent years. "That is not an exaggeration."

:gawk:

[waywardgs]

All of this boils down to incarceration being big business, coupled with our "nation of laws" mentality. Doesn't it bother anyone else that it's almost impossible to figure out how many laws we actually have? In 1982 the Justice Department tried to get an actual count of the criminal laws...and failed after 2 years. Nobody has even bothered trying since. How many more laws have been added in the last 30 years?



:gawk:

I actually think it should be a requirement for a while that if you want to pass a new law you have to take ten off the books. It's absurd.

[Tgo01]

All of this boils down to incarceration being big business, coupled with our "nation of laws" mentality. Doesn't it bother anyone else that it's almost impossible to figure out how many laws we actually have? In 1982 the Justice Department tried to get an actual count of the criminal laws...and failed after 2 years. Nobody has even bothered trying since. How many more laws have been added in the last 30 years?



:gawk:

I wonder how easy/difficult it would be to count the number of laws people are actually in prison for or have received tickets for.

[Androidpk]

Well what sort of loose definition of "military gear" are we using? Anything the military uses is considered military gear?

M16s, M4s, grenade launches, MRAPs..

[Tgo01]

M16s, M4s, grenade launches, MRAPs..

Grenade launchers are very necessary for fighting crime.

Also why do people have a problem with APCs? Same goes for kevlar vests and helmts; they are a defensive tool. Do we really have a problem with the police defending themselves?

[Thondalar]

I wonder how easy/difficult it would be to count the number of laws people are actually in prison for or have received tickets for.

Fairly difficult. You would have to have access to (usually) restricted court records and/or inmate records for every County/Court district and jail/prison in the US.

[Androidpk]

Grenade launchers are very necessary for fighting crime.

Also why do people have a problem with APCs? Same goes for kevlar vests and helmts; they are a defensive tool. Do we really have a problem with the police defending themselves?

They need military equipment to protect themselves from American citizens?

[Tgo01]

They need military equipment to protect themselves from American citizens?


Crime fighting has taken its toll. Since the first recorded police death in 1791, there have been over 20,000 law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty. Currently, there are 20,267 names engraved on the walls of the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial.

To answer your question; yes.

[waywardgs]

Grenade launchers are very necessary for fighting crime.

Also why do people have a problem with APCs? Same goes for kevlar vests and helmts; they are a defensive tool. Do we really have a problem with the police defending themselves?

No one said Kevlar and helmets. But there is something in our constitution about a "standing army..." What was it... Oh yeah... We aren't supposed to have one.

[Androidpk]

Crime fighting has taken its toll. Since the first recorded police death in 1791, there have been over 20,000 law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty. Currently, there are 20,267 names engraved on the walls of the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial.

To answer your question; yes.

Police doesn't even make the top 10 list of most dangerous jobs in the US.

[waywardgs]

To answer your question; yes.

People talk all the time about how dangerous policing is. As far as death goes, roofing is more dangerous. Sorry. Policing isn't even in the top ten.

[Tgo01]

But there is something in our constitution about a "standing army..." What was it... Oh yeah... We aren't supposed to have one.

Huh

[waywardgs]

Police doesn't even make the top 10 list of most dangerous jobs in the US.

Dammit Iphone! Foiled!

[Tgo01]

Police doesn't even make the top 10 list of most dangerous jobs in the US.


People talk all the time about how dangerous policing is. As far as death goes, roofing is more dangerous. Sorry. Policing isn't even in the top ten.

That's great to hear. Would you chide a roofer for wanting every piece of equipment he can get his hands on to make his job more safe? Or are you going to look him in the eye and say "You get back on that ladder right now and fix my fucking roof! I don't care how dangerous it is!!!"

[Tgo01]

"You want rubber gloves and safety glasses just because you are working with corrosive chemicals?! Get the fuck out of here! Your job isn't as dangerous as roofing!"

[Androidpk]

That's great to hear. Would you chide a roofer for wanting every piece of equipment he can get his hands on to make his job more safe? Or are you going to look him in the eye and say "You get back on that ladder right now and fix my fucking roof! I don't care how dangerous it is!!!"

Back, what are you doing logged onto Tgo's account?

[waywardgs]

"You want rubber gloves and safety glasses just because you are working with corrosive chemicals?! Get the fuck out of here! Your job isn't as dangerous as roofing!"

No, but don't go howling about how police are in life threatening danger on a constant basis. Guess what? Everyone is. It's disengenuous to frame it as though they're somehow exceptional.

[Tgo01]

Back, what are you doing logged onto Tgo's account?


I like the truth

http://www.animated-gifs.eu/leisure-circus-clowns/0215.gif

[Methais]

All of this boils down to incarceration being big business, coupled with our "nation of laws" mentality. Doesn't it bother anyone else that it's almost impossible to figure out how many laws we actually have? In 1982 the Justice Department tried to get an actual count of the criminal laws...and failed after 2 years. Nobody has even bothered trying since. How many more laws have been added in the last 30 years?



:gawk:

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/05/louisiana_is_the_worlds_prison.html

[Tgo01]

No, but don't go howling about how police are in life threatening danger on a constant basis. Guess what? Everyone is. It's disengenuous to frame it as though they're somehow exceptional.

The national murder rate of the US per 100,000 people is about 4.4 (population of 316,128,839, ~14,000 murders a year.)

The national murder rate of US police officers per 100,000 is about 17 (900,000 police officers, 150 officers murdered a year.)

In regards to murder rate it sure sounds as though police officers are exceptional. Perhaps more roofers are murdered every year while on the job though so we should just thumb our noses at the police.

[waywardgs]

The national murder rate of the US per 100,000 people is about 4.4 (population of 316,128,839, ~14,000 murders a year.)

The national murder rate of US police officers per 100,000 is about 17 (900,000 police officers, 150 officers murdered a year.)

In regards to murder rate it sure sounds as though police officers are exceptional. Perhaps more roofers are murdered every year while on the job though so we should just thumb our noses at the police.

Murder is a subsection of death. If death is really what we're concerned about when we talk about safety the method doesn't really matter.

[Tgo01]

Murder is a subsection of death. If death is really what we're concerned about when we talk about safety the method doesn't really matter.

I absolutely agree. Just as I would want to see a roofer have all of the necessary safety equipment to make their job safer I would also like to see the police have all of the necessary safety equipment to make their job safer.

I don't necessarily think tanks are necessary because those are usually more offensive than defensive, but an APC? What's wrong with an APC?

[Androidpk]

When is the last time a cop was killed in his police cruiser by a land mine or improvised explosive device?

[Tgo01]

When is the last time a cop was killed in his police cruiser by a land mine or improvised explosive device?

I have no idea but police officers get killed in their police cruisers quite often. So I guess the problem is it's too much armor? Like, okay, bullet proof vehicles are okay but anything more than that is bad because...?

[Androidpk]

I have no idea but police officers get killed in their police cruisers quite often. So I guess the problem is it's too much armor? Like, okay, bullet proof vehicles are okay but anything more than that is bad because...?

How often is quite often? And is it due to automotive accidents or gunfire?

[waywardgs]

I have no idea but police officers get killed in their police cruisers quite often. So I guess the problem is it's too much armor? Like, okay, bullet proof vehicles are okay but anything more than that is bad because...?

I'm with you. Cops should have all the defensive protection they can get. The issue is that they aren't acting detensively. They're acting, and being outfitted to act, inappropriately and excessively offensively. That's a lot of ely's. Too many I say!

[Warriorbird]

A second police officer would suit my school district a lot more than a MRAP.

[Tgo01]

How often is quite often?

Does it matter?


And is it due to automotive accidents or gunfire?

Well here is one story of it happening:

http://www.kfvs12.com/story/22422079/police-officer-shot-and-killed-in-cruiser

This story received a whopping 10 sentences devoted to it!

[Tgo01]

A second police officer would suit my school district a lot more than a MRAP.

I'm sure 10 roofers with no safety equipment could fix your roof faster than 1 roofer with safety equipment. I wonder what other cost saving tactics we could use...

[Androidpk]

Does it matter?



Well here is one story of it happening:

http://www.kfvs12.com/story/22422079/police-officer-shot-and-killed-in-cruiser

This story received a whopping 10 sentences devoted to it!

Police are getting killed left and right in their cruisers but suddenly it doesn't matter how often it happens? Make up your mind.

[waywardgs]

I'm sure 10 roofers with no safety equipment could fix your roof faster than 1 roofer with safety equipment. I wonder what other cost saving tactics we could use...

In general I think the job of policing is undervalued. Police need to be well trained and above average, and compensated for it. Right now we substitute sweet gear for good training and high expectations. The gear doesn't make a good officer.

[Warriorbird]

I'm sure 10 roofers with no safety equipment could fix your roof faster than 1 roofer with safety equipment. I wonder what other cost saving tactics we could use...

Terrible analogy. The MRAP doesn't apply to 99.9999999999 of the situations that he experiences.

[Tgo01]

In general I think the job of policing is undervalued. Police need to be well trained and above average. Right now we substitute good training and high expectations for sweet gear. The gear doesn't make a good officer.

There are almost 1,000,000 police officers. How many of them are so bad it shows in the lack of training? I'm sure there would be a new roofer story every day if we had a camera trained on every roofer.

"This here roofer just fucked up my roof! Now it's leaking more than before!"


Terrible analogy. The MRAP doesn't apply to 99.9999999999 of the situations that he experiences.

Neither do rubber gloves or safety goggles for someone who might need them when cleaning something yet I bet they still appreciate them being available by their employer.

Heck I own some safety goggles and rubber gloves for when I work with corrosive stuff at home and that's only maybe 10 days out of the whole year.

[waywardgs]

The point about the militarization of the police is that if they're doing their job correctly they shouldn't need that shit. But if you give it to them, you're contributing to the us-vs-them mentality that plagues communities and contributes to the cases that this thread is about. It's an aggregate thing that can't be boiled down to individual cases.

[Warriorbird]

Neither do rubber gloves or safety goggles for someone who might need them when cleaning something yet I bet they still appreciate them being available by their employer.

Heck I own some safety goggles and rubber gloves for when I work with corrosive stuff at home and that's only maybe 10 days out of the whole year.

You would really have me if your numbers were appropriate. MRAP's are hardly needed 10 days a year for police in schools and our maintenance staff uses gloves (for a reason) far more frequently than 10 days a year.

[Tgo01]

We'll all just have to agree that I'm right.

[Wrathbringer]

I'm with you. Cops should have all the defensive protection they can get. The issue is that they aren't acting detensively. They're acting, and being outfitted to act, inappropriately and excessively offensively. That's a lot of ely's. Too many I say!

I've the same issue with national defense. It's defense, not offense. Clearly outfitting our police with life saving nuclear weapons is the only humane course here to stop the fighting and save American lives.

[Wrathbringer]

I'm sure 10 roofers with no safety equipment could fix your roof faster than 1 roofer with safety equipment. I wonder what other cost saving tactics we could use...

This is true. Amish roofers are fast, good and cheap. No way I'd call some roofer union guys and pay 8x the cost for shoddy work that takes 8x as long just because osha.

[Luntz]

Does it matter?



Well here is one story of it happening:

http://www.kfvs12.com/story/22422079/police-officer-shot-and-killed-in-cruiser

This story received a whopping 10 sentences devoted to it!

People like you are fucking disgusting acting as if you care about dead cops when you just use them for your own political purpose. I have no love for cops but a quick google search shows you to be completely and utterly wrong http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2014/05/23/bardstown-police-officer-jason-ellis-anniversary/9445715/


State police still have one detective dedicated solely to solving the murder, with eight others pitching in when they can. The reward for Ellis' killer has swelled to nearly $200,000 — thought to be the largest in Kentucky history.

Don't let that interrupt your dumbass false narrative though.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

People like you are fucking disgusting acting as if you care about dead cops when you just use them for your own political purpose. I have no love for cops

People who act like they care/don't care about <insert any cause here> but instead use <insert examples here> for their own political narrative are <insert adjectives here>.

Now I think we've covered everyone :)

[Methais]

The national murder rate of the US per 100,000 people is about 4.4 (population of 316,128,839, ~14,000 murders a year.)

The national murder rate of US police officers per 100,000 is about 17 (900,000 police officers, 150 officers murdered a year.)

In regards to murder rate it sure sounds as though police officers are exceptional. Perhaps more roofers are murdered every year while on the job though so we should just thumb our noses at the police.

How many dogs are killed by police every year?

"It's coming right for us!!!"

Cop unloads 3 clips in dog's face.

"I was fearing for my life! What? I could have just gotten back in my car until the owner brought the dog inside, or stayed out of that person's fenced yard? What a preposterous idea, that chihuahua was dangerous! You must really hate law enforcement, we're gonna have to charge you with obstruction of justice!"

[Wrathbringer]

How many dogs are killed by police every year?

"It's coming right for us!!!"

Cop unloads 3 clips in dog's face.

"I was fearing for my life! What? I could have just gotten back in my car until the owner brought the dog inside, or stayed out of that person's fenced yard? What a preposterous idea, that chihuahua was dangerous! You must really hate law enforcement, we're gonna have to charge you with obstruction of justice!"

Should have just used nuclear weapons on the dog in order to save lives and be humane.

[Tgo01]

People like you are fucking disgusting acting as if you care about dead cops when you just use them for your own political purpose.

I hope the irony isn't lost on you. Like you gave one shit about Michael Brown before or after he died.


Don't let that interrupt your dumbass false narrative though.

You're not even making sense at this point, Luntz.

[Parkbandit]

Is this stupidity really still going on.. even after the mountain of evidence came out?

lolol...

[Tgo01]

How many dogs are killed by police every year?

I'm not sure.

According to this article (http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019809359_rosie02m.html) "nearly three-quarters of the police shootings in Milwaukee, Wis., from 2000 to 2002 involved dogs."

Sounds like a lot though.

[Atlanteax]

I'm not sure.

According to this article (http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019809359_rosie02m.html) "nearly three-quarters of the police shootings in Milwaukee, Wis., from 2000 to 2002 involved dogs."

Sounds like a lot though.

Seriously?!? 75% ??

[Androidpk]

Hooray for no knock raids and police brutality

http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/local/dublin/2014/12/10/david-hooks-shot-twice-in-back/20213383/

[Wrathbringer]

Seriously?!? 75% ??

There were probably 4 shootings total.

[Atlanteax]

Absolutely ridiculous...

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019777053_rosie28m.html

Does seem like the officers decided early on to just shoot the dog...

[Androidpk]

Turns out the guy killed was a vetted military contractor with no history of drug use. A meth head was caught breaking into his house and he told the police he was breaking in because he knew there were drugs in the house (there wasn't.) No knock raid during middle of the night, cops go in blazing, 1 dead innocent civilian.

[crb]

Absolutely ridiculous...

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019777053_rosie28m.html

Does seem like the officers decided early on to just shoot the dog...

That shit happens all the time and is a far more reasonable attack on police than the shit in Ferguson.

Thanks to our stupid drug "war" police think they're rambo and the use of swat teams has vastly increased, typically to serve warrants on non violent drug offenders. The modus operandi is they get all suited up, chug some jolt, and go knock on the wrong door, through a flashbang into some baby's crib, jump through the window, and shoot the dog. Before realizing they've got the wrong house.

Statistically the use of swat for the serving of warrants has gone up exponentially and, since a certain subsection of police join the force just to shoot their guns, once they realized they could justify shooting family dogs, that too has gone up. You can find numerous news cases all over the country where the family pooch was shot in front of kids, all because it barked at the intruder dressed in black acting threatening.

True, some drug dealers use vicious pit bulls or other breeds that are purposefully abused to be nasty dogs to guard their houses, but most often that is not the case.

http://reason.org/news/show/the-drug-wars-collateral-damag

Legalize it.

[Methais]

Is this stupidity really still going on.. even after the mountain of evidence came out?

lolol...

You know better...when have liberals ever let facts get in the way of their narrative?

[waywardgs]

That shit happens all the time and is a far more reasonable attack on police than the shit in Ferguson.

Thanks to our stupid drug "war" police think they're rambo and the use of swat teams has vastly increased, typically to serve warrants on non violent drug offenders. The modus operandi is they get all suited up, chug some jolt, and go knock on the wrong door, through a flashbang into some baby's crib, jump through the window, and shoot the dog. Before realizing they've got the wrong house.

Statistically the use of swat for the serving of warrants has gone up exponentially and, since a certain subsection of police join the force just to shoot their guns, once they realized they could justify shooting family dogs, that too has gone up. You can find numerous news cases all over the country where the family pooch was shot in front of kids, all because it barked at the intruder dressed in black acting threatening.

True, some drug dealers use vicious pit bulls or other breeds that are purposefully abused to be nasty dogs to guard their houses, but most often that is not the case.

http://reason.org/news/show/the-drug-wars-collateral-damag

Legalize it.

Hey, I'm agreeing with crb!

[Methais]

Absolutely ridiculous...

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019777053_rosie28m.html

Does seem like the officers decided early on to just shoot the dog...


The officers had responded to a report of a loose dog in the Des Moines neighborhood, phoned in by a neighbor who was concerned that the animal might get hurt. The Wrights were out of town. When police arrived, there was Rosie, all 115 pounds of her, woofing away.

"Hi, there's a big dog running around the neighborhood, I'm worried that he might get hurt."

"DON'T WORRY MA'AM WE'RE ON OUR WAY!"

2 minutes later:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11_04/Rambo1_468x289.jpg

Why there isn't a Ferguson level of uproar and prosecutions over this kind of shit, especially with the frequency and bullshit conditions it happens with, is beyond me. There are tons of clips on YouTube where a cop flat out executes a dog that is either already under control and/or obviously posing no threat to anyone, yet the cops always manage to get away with the "I was in fear for my safety" excuse while they go on paid vacation as the department investigates itself.

If cops are so scared of dogs that they start shooting them all over the place like this, then perhaps they should choose a profession better suited to them, like a fluffer in a gay porn studio.

Maybe if the media would start covering this kind of shit 24/7 instead of some race baiting glorification of a dude attacking a cop after robbing a store, people could actually unite on something. Everyone loves dogs. Even queers.

[Wrathbringer]

The officers had responded to a report of a loose dog in the Des Moines neighborhood, phoned in by a neighbor who was concerned that the animal might get hurt. The Wrights were out of town. When police arrived, there was Rosie, all 115 pounds of her, woofing away.

"Hi, there's a big dog running around the neighborhood, I'm worried that he might get hurt."

"DON'T WORRY MA'AM WE'RE ON OUR WAY!"

2 minutes later:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11_04/Rambo1_468x289.jpg

Why there isn't a Ferguson level of uproar over this kind of shit, especially with the frequency and bullshit conditions it happens with, is beyond me.

Maybe if the media would start covering this kind of shit 24/7 instead of some race baiting glorification of a dude attacking a cop after robbing a store, people could actually unite on something. Everyone loves dogs. Even queers.

I don't, but I'm straight. I do prefer them to blacks though.

[Androidpk]

That shit happens all the time and is a far more reasonable attack on police than the shit in Ferguson.

Thanks to our stupid drug "war" police think they're rambo and the use of swat teams has vastly increased, typically to serve warrants on non violent drug offenders. The modus operandi is they get all suited up, chug some jolt, and go knock on the wrong door, through a flashbang into some baby's crib, jump through the window, and shoot the dog. Before realizing they've got the wrong house.

Statistically the use of swat for the serving of warrants has gone up exponentially and, since a certain subsection of police join the force just to shoot their guns, once they realized they could justify shooting family dogs, that too has gone up. You can find numerous news cases all over the country where the family pooch was shot in front of kids, all because it barked at the intruder dressed in black acting threatening.

True, some drug dealers use vicious pit bulls or other breeds that are purposefully abused to be nasty dogs to guard their houses, but most often that is not the case.

http://reason.org/news/show/the-drug-wars-collateral-damag

Legalize it.

To add onto that SWAT BS you have this going on now.

As it turns out, a number of SWAT teams in the Bay State are operated by what are called law enforcement councils, or LECs. These LECs are funded by several police agencies in a given geographic area and overseen by an executive board, which is usually made up of police chiefs from member police departments. In 2012, for example, the Tewksbury Police Department paid about $4,600 in annual membership dues to the North Eastern Massachusetts Law Enforcement Council, or NEMLEC. (See page 36 of linked PDF.) That LEC has about 50 member agencies. In addition to operating a regional SWAT team, the LECs also facilitate technology and information sharing and oversee other specialized units, such as crime scene investigators and computer crime specialists.Some of these LECs have also apparently incorporated as 501(c)(3) organizations. And it’s here that we run into problems. According to the ACLU, the LECs are claiming that the 501(c)(3) status means that they’re private corporations, not government agencies. And therefore, they say they’re immune from open records requests

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/27/1309949/-Mass-SWAT-Teams-Deny-Records-Request-Claiming-They-Are-Private-Corporations

[Methais]

I don't, but I'm straight. I do prefer them to blacks though.

You're not an American if you don't like dogs.

[Wrathbringer]

You're not an American if you don't like dogs.

I'm good with that.

[Methais]

To add onto that SWAT BS you have this going on now.

As it turns out, a number of SWAT teams in the Bay State are operated by what are called law enforcement councils, or LECs. These LECs are funded by several police agencies in a given geographic area and overseen by an executive board, which is usually made up of police chiefs from member police departments. In 2012, for example, the Tewksbury Police Department paid about $4,600 in annual membership dues to the North Eastern Massachusetts Law Enforcement Council, or NEMLEC. (See page 36 of linked PDF.) That LEC has about 50 member agencies. In addition to operating a regional SWAT team, the LECs also facilitate technology and information sharing and oversee other specialized units, such as crime scene investigators and computer crime specialists.Some of these LECs have also apparently incorporated as 501(c)(3) organizations. And it’s here that we run into problems. According to the ACLU, the LECs are claiming that the 501(c)(3) status means that they’re private corporations, not government agencies. And therefore, they say they’re immune from open records requests

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/27/1309949/-Mass-SWAT-Teams-Deny-Records-Request-Claiming-They-Are-Private-Corporations

Didn't that "immunity" shit get shut down by a judge a while back? I remember hearing something about it but don't remember for sure what happened with it.

Since they're private corporations though, then anyone who fights back shouldn't be charged with assault on a police officer or resisting arrest or whatever, right? At least according to logic.

[Methais]

I'm good with that.

You're not white if you don't like dogs either.

[Wrathbringer]

You're not white if you don't like dogs either.

Racist.

[Methais]

Racist.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/image.php?u=80&dateline=1417798172


a certain subsection of police join the force just to shoot their guns, once they realized they could justify shooting family dogs, that too has gone up.

This x19473104893473204.

Once they figure out what else they can get away with shooting, they'll start doing that all over the place too.

[Wrathbringer]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/image.php?u=80&dateline=1417798172



This x19473104893473204.

Once they figure out what else they can get away with shooting, they'll start doing that all over the place too.

If you're talking about mexicans, they need to get on it.

[Androidpk]

Didn't that "immunity" shit get shut down by a judge a while back? I remember hearing something about it but don't remember for sure what happened with it.

Since they're private corporations though, then anyone who fights back shouldn't be charged with assault on a police officer or resisting arrest or whatever, right? At least according to logic.

No, it's still ongoing.

[Johnny Five]

Lets all just take a deep breath and enjoy this.
http://media.giphy.com/media/GTP8BvVZPlCMw/giphy.gif

[Ker_Thwap]

Lets all just take a deep breath and enjoy this.
http://media.giphy.com/media/GTP8BvVZPlCMw/giphy.gif

I would shoot that otter in the face.

[Johnny Five]

I would shoot that otter in the face.

http://guesthollow.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/otter.jpg

Better watch what you say.

[Latrinsorm]

I believe that a small percentage of the people who go to jail because of marijuana do so for tasting it, or for personal use in general. While intent to distribute is only implied as a function of weight in the legal code, I am confident that the majority of the jailed are for distribution vs. personal use. I haven't been able to find stats on that yet, but I have a promising avenue I will pursue by week's end. I'll be sure to keep you posted! :)I found some stats. :D This source (http://static.prisonpolicy.org/scans/whos_in_prison_for_marij.pdf) has quite a few, but as I expected it demonstrates how the majority of incarceration occurs for offenses well beyond marijuana usage alone. In 1997, 12% of federal inmates had some involvement with marijuana, but only 1% were sentenced on charges of possession alone and had no prior marijuana offenses. If we take this 1/12th rule and update a previous point of mine:

500 in 100,000 rate of schizophrenia from marijuana (casual)
25 in 100,000 rate of incarceration from marijuana (possession)
8 in 100,000 rate of death from aspirin (all)

Put another way, the chance of you (general) going to prison for smoking marijuana is much closer to the chance of you dying from taking aspirin, yet you use that as your example of an absurdly remote outcome. Ha! Ha! Ironic, yes? :)

[Warriorbird]

I found some stats. :D This source (http://static.prisonpolicy.org/scans/whos_in_prison_for_marij.pdf) has quite a few, but as I expected it demonstrates how the majority of incarceration occurs for offenses well beyond marijuana usage alone. In 1997, 12% of federal inmates had some involvement with marijuana, but only 1% were sentenced on charges of possession alone and had no prior marijuana offenses. If we take this 1/12th rule and update a previous point of mine:

500 in 100,000 rate of schizophrenia from marijuana (casual)
25 in 100,000 rate of incarceration from marijuana (possession)
8 in 100,000 rate of death from aspirin (all)

Put another way, the chance of you (general) going to prison for smoking marijuana is much closer to the chance of you dying from taking aspirin, yet you use that as your example of an absurdly remote outcome. Ha! Ha! Ironic, yes? :)

Now let's analyze the problem with your utilization of statistics. What big picture flaw is there with your "hypothesis"?

[Astray]

The police aggression is so strong I can't even leave my house in black face anymore.

[Latrinsorm]

Now let's analyze the problem with your utilization of statistics. What big picture flaw is there with your "hypothesis"?Can you be more specific?

[Warriorbird]

Can you be more specific?

How many people take aspirin constantly versus how many people smoke up constantly?

[Latrinsorm]

How many people take aspirin constantly versus how many people smoke up constantly?Yeah this is a weird thing Andy did too. Here is how the calculations went:

Aspirin deaths per year / number of people on aspirin => implying that all take aspirin once a year
Rate of schizophrenia quoted as that for casual use => implying that all users are casual

The rate of aspirin deaths is observed empirically and is therefore a fixed numerator. If the number of aspirin DOSES (denominator) increases, the death rate goes DOWN. Conversely, if people use marijuana more heavily they are at HIGHER risk of developing schizophrenia, because the drug demonstrates a dose-response pattern. The number of schizophrenics due to marijuana were not observed empirically, observing causation is impossible. Rather, the difference in rates was observed, and after we controlled for other variables we declared a rate due to marijuana.

If you're saying that I'm probably even more right than I already am, that is true. I try to make the best case for my opponent as I can, because (1) it's good sportspersonship and (2) if they're wrong even then, we can be really sure they're wrong. I suspect this is not what you're saying, though.

[Warriorbird]

Yeah this is a weird thing Andy did too. Here is how the calculations went:

Aspirin deaths per year / number of people on aspirin => implying that all take aspirin once a year
Rate of schizophrenia quoted as that for casual use => implying that all users are casual

The rate of aspirin deaths is observed empirically and is therefore a fixed numerator. If the number of aspirin DOSES (denominator) increases, the death rate goes DOWN. Conversely, if people use marijuana more heavily they are at HIGHER risk of developing schizophrenia, because the drug demonstrates a dose-response pattern. The number of schizophrenics due to marijuana were not observed empirically, observing causation is impossible. Rather, the difference in rates was observed, and after we controlled for other variables we declared a rate due to marijuana.

If you're saying that I'm probably even more right than I already am, that is true. I try to make the best case for my opponent as I can, because (1) it's good sportspersonship and (2) if they're wrong even then, we can be really sure they're wrong. I suspect this is not what you're saying, though.

It would indeed be really telling. That is if it all didn't rest on us believing the unproven "marijuana causes schizophrenia." statistics.

[Latrinsorm]

It would indeed be really telling. That is if it all didn't rest on us believing the unproven "marijuana causes schizophrenia." statistics.You're on your own there, everyone else here has accepted that fact. The whole point of Evarin's aspirin comparison (for example) was to demonstrate that other drugs are just as dangerous, not that marijuana isn't at all. It turned out to be quantitatively wrong, but if he didn't believe marijuana had risks there would be no point in saying other drugs did too, right?

[Warriorbird]

You're on your own there, everyone else here has accepted that fact. The whole point of Evarin's aspirin comparison (for example) was to demonstrate that other drugs are just as dangerous, not that marijuana isn't at all. It turned out to be quantitatively wrong, but if he didn't believe marijuana had risks there would be no point in saying other drugs did too, right?

Not necessarily. He might be trying to reason with your beliefs which he doesn't agree with.

On Ferguson topic, apparently some of the witnesses used were...interesting.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/unmasking-Ferguson-witness-40-496236

[Latrinsorm]

Not necessarily. He might be trying to reason with your beliefs which he doesn't agree with.

On Ferguson topic, apparently some of the witnesses used were...interesting.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/unmasking-Ferguson-witness-40-496236Here's your justice system, America. Universal surveillance doesn't sound so bad now, eh?

[Tgo01]

Two NY cops can no longer breathe after they were executed in their non bullet proof police cruisers. Where are the protests? Where are the riots? I thought all lives mattered?

[waywardgs]

Two NY cops can no longer breathe after they were executed in their non bullet proof police cruisers. Where are the protests? Where are the riots? I thought all lives mattered?

Yeah. It was an ugly, sad thing. But what do you think people should be protesting? Pretty sure everyone agrees it was awful.

[Tgo01]

Yeah. It was an ugly, sad thing. But what do you think people should be protesting? Pretty sure everyone agrees it was awful.

Were people dancing in the streets when Michael Brown was shot or something? :/

[Androidpk]

Tgo has gone full retard.

[waywardgs]

Were people dancing in the streets when Michael Brown was shot or something? :/

Are people doing that now, in the case of these two cops? I'd protest that.

[Tgo01]

Tgo has gone full retard.

Sounds like somebody is mad because he is so against police officers having access to bullet proof vehicles because police officers are never murdered inside of their cruisers.


Are people doing that now, in the case of these two cops? I'd protest that.

...

[Androidpk]

Sounds like somebody is mad because he is so against police officers having access to bullet proof vehicles because police officers are never murdered inside of their cruisers.



...

I'm mad because cops were killed? Like I said, you've gone full retard.

[Tgo01]

I'm mad because cops were killed? Like I said, you've gone full retard.

Hey you are the one against police officers having access to bullet proof vehicles because you said they don't need them. How am I the retarded one in this scenario? Me thinks you need to stop projecting.

[Androidpk]

Hey you are the one against police officers having access to bullet proof vehicles because you said they don't need them. How am I the retarded one in this scenario? Me thinks you need to stop projecting.

Bullet proof cruisers != heavy weight military vehicles.

[Parkbandit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4ARsxrZh8#t=24

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/nypd-cops-turn-backs-de-blasio-hospital-article-1.2052215

[Jarvan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4ARsxrZh8#t=24

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/nypd-cops-turn-backs-de-blasio-hospital-article-1.2052215

And then they put their money where their mouth is and do it.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/21/2-nypd-cops-shot-in-car-critically-injured/

[Tgo01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4ARsxrZh8#t=24

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/nypd-cops-turn-backs-de-blasio-hospital-article-1.2052215

When is Al Sharpton going to take responsibility and personally apologize to the families of these two cops, and to the entire world, for his role in their slayings?

[Wrathbringer]

When is Al Sharpton going to take responsibility and personally apologize to the families of these two cops, and to the entire world, for his role in their slayings?

Black people don't take responsibility for anything. Everything is other people's fault all the time. Obama is a prime example.

[Candor]

Black people don't take responsibility for anything. Everything is other people's fault all the time. Obama is a prime example.

WB needs to be put back into his cage.

[~Rocktar~]

As as long as they say this isn't what they really meant when chanting "What do we want, dead cops, when do we want it, now" it's ok, right?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/protest-leaders-hurry-to-disavow-nypd-slayings/ar-BBh5nHi

[Parkbandit]

As as long as they say this isn't what they really meant when chanting "What do we want, dead cops, when do we want it, now" it's ok, right?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/protest-leaders-hurry-to-disavow-nypd-slayings/ar-BBh5nHi

'When we yell "Pigs in a blanket", we actually just want them to be warm when they go to bed!'

[Wrathbringer]

WB needs to be put back into his cage.

Good one! More shart rep left.

[Atlanteax]

Two NY cops can no longer breathe after they were executed in their non bullet proof police cruisers. Where are the protests? Where are the riots? I thought all lives mattered?

white cop killed by white/black/etc criminal? no outrage
black cop killed by white/black/etc criminal? no outrage
white person killed by white/black/etc criminal? no outrage
black criminal killed by white cop = *OUTRAGE OUTRAGE*

[Atlanteax]

http://cdn.diply.com/img/f4a649be-76cb-42e9-bd99-576491048e0a.jpg

[Wrathbringer]

http://cdn.diply.com/img/f4a649be-76cb-42e9-bd99-576491048e0a.jpg

LOL Also, I can't help but wonder if life saving nuclear weapons shouldn't be an option on the table for situations like this. Seems irresponsible not to save lives.

[Methais]

WB needs to be put back into his cage.

WB = Warriorbird

Shartguy = Wrathbringer

[Johnny Five]

http://cdn.diply.com/img/f4a649be-76cb-42e9-bd99-576491048e0a.jpg

:lolwave:

[Wrathbringer]

WB = Warriorbird

Shartguy = Wrathbringer

It's difficult to know, since I've seen Warriorbird refer to me as WB. The world made sense until that moment, so now anytime I see WB I just use it as a trolling op.

[Jeril]

It's difficult to know, since I've seen Warriorbird refer to me as WB. The world made sense until that moment, so now anytime I see WB I just use it as a trolling op.

You mean you don't see every moment as a chance to troll? Are you feeling alright? Do you need some obamacare to go see a doctor?

[Wrathbringer]

You mean you don't see every moment as a chance to troll? Are you feeling alright? Do you need some obamacare to go see a doctor?

Well...valid point. Do you have extra obamacare I can use? I'll trade you some pollution credits.

[Jeril]

Well...valid point. Do you have extra obamacare I can use? I'll trade you some pollution credits.

Sounds like a great deal to me.

[Gnome Rage]

gun control psa (http://www.youngcons.com/new-gun-control-ad-encourages-kids-steal-parents-gun-take/)

lolwhat is this kid's teacher supposed to do with his parent's gun? Its probably registered... wouldn't they have to just... return it?

lolwhat.
what

I thought the message of the video was going to be "you can change your mind" and the kid was going to take the gun then decide not to do it and give it to a teacher, but it looks like the kid just took it to give it to the teacher. wat.

[Taernath]

"My 3rd period English teacher has connections, I'll give the stolen gun to her."

[Gnome Rage]

Kid brings the gun in to school and gets caught with it before he finds the time to turn it in to his teacher... goes to jail... gets out of jail... can't find a job because he has a record... becomes a criminal... gets a gun ... goes back to jail.

ALL BECAUSE OF YOUR PSA

[Atlanteax]

gun control psa (http://www.youngcons.com/new-gun-control-ad-encourages-kids-steal-parents-gun-take/)

lolwhat is this kid's teacher supposed to do with his parent's gun? Its probably registered... wouldn't they have to just... return it?

lolwhat.
what

I thought the message of the video was going to be "you can change your mind" and the kid was going to take the gun then decide not to do it and give it to a teacher, but it looks like the kid just took it to give it to the teacher. wat.


"My 3rd period English teacher has connections, I'll give the stolen gun to her."


*slams backback on desk*
BLAM!!!
"Oh, $h!+, Mrs. Johnson! Are you okay? Mrs Johnson? MRS. JOHNSON!!!! Oh f**k, oh f**k, oh F******K! HELP! Somebody! HELP!!!!"
*resource officer enters*
"Hey kid, what's going on? Oh my God! What have you....."
"Please officer! I brought my parents' gun, and...."
"GET DOWN NOW!"
"But sir! I just..."
"NOW! GET DOWN! I'm not telling you again!"
*runs toward resource officer* "I'm so traumatized! I just need someone to...."
"HE'S GOT A GUN!!!!"
BLAM! BLAM-BLAM-BLAM-BLAM-BLAM-BLAM!!!!

LOL @ this comment response to the article.

In the meantime, there probably would be no difference between the kid pulling out a knife instead of a gun (still would be armed and dangerous)

fist < stick/club < knife/sword < projectile/gun

it is not the gun per se, but *violence* itself

[Candor]

WB = Warriorbird

Shartguy = Wrathbringer

Gotcha. From now on I'll refer to Wrathbringer as Shartguy.

[Latrinsorm]

gun control psa (http://www.youngcons.com/new-gun-control-ad-encourages-kids-steal-parents-gun-take/)

lolwhat is this kid's teacher supposed to do with his parent's gun? Its probably registered... wouldn't they have to just... return it?

lolwhat.
what

I thought the message of the video was going to be "you can change your mind" and the kid was going to take the gun then decide not to do it and give it to a teacher, but it looks like the kid just took it to give it to the teacher. wat.I wasn't sure about the "all-out jihad" part, but they did find a single odd video on Youtube. What more evidence could you want?

[Atlanteax]

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sleeper-13-Productions/629051637112949

Facebook page of the designers behind the ad


Sleeper 13 Productions is a collaborative production company founded by 3 Bay Area filmmakers.

Welp, that explains the asinine ad.

[Gnome Rage]

I wasn't sure about the "all-out jihad" part, but they did find a single odd video on Youtube. What more evidence could you want?

I don't care about the article. I didn't really read it, I just watched the video and my comment was based on the video alone.

its a ridiculous video.

[Latrinsorm]

I don't care about the article. I didn't really read it, I just watched the video and my comment was based on the video alone.

its a ridiculous video.I care about it. A great deal. >:|

[waywardgs]

I don't care about the article. I didn't really read it, I just watched the video...

'Murka.

[Gnome Rage]

>:|

[Latrinsorm]

O_O

[Taernath]

I neither watched the video nor read the article.

[Methais]

gg on teaching gun non-safety too:

http://i.imgur.com/yhhMmgA.png
http://i.imgur.com/oZ3bIj2.png

If you're gonna steal your parent's gun to make things safer, make sure your finger is on the trigger.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47Yxa9IeJEc

[Androidpk]

I neither watched the video nor read the article.

I didn't read this comment

[Methais]

I don't read these forums.

[Methais]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4NED0WCAAA6tum.jpg

[Jeril]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4NED0WCAAA6tum.jpg

LOL, people will never make sense.

[Gelston]

Saw a graphic on how the shooting occurred. A "bullet proof" police car wouldn't have prevented it. Question me on it if you want.

[Tgo01]

Saw a graphic on how the shooting occurred. A "bullet proof" police car wouldn't have prevented it. Question me on it if you want.

I question you.

ETA: So what it sounds like you're saying is a military grade armored vehicle might have prevented it?

[Gelston]

I question you.

ETA: So what it sounds like you're saying is a military grade armored vehicle might have prevented it?

Okay, what do you question? Shooting through windows? Bullet proof glass isn't actually glass, and you can't roll it down.

[Tgo01]

Okay, what do you question? Shooting through windows? Bullet proof glass isn't actually glass, and you can't roll it down.

Would a military grade armored vehicle have prevented the killings?

[Gelston]

Would a military grade armored vehicle have prevented the killings?

More than likely. Do we want those rolling around as our standard police vehicle? Are we Iraq?

[Tgo01]

More than likely. Do we want those rolling around as our standard police vehicle? Are we Iraq?

Yes and yes.

[waywardgs]

Yes and yes.

Safety at all costs… you're starting to sound like Latrin.

[Tgo01]

Safety at all costs… you're starting to sound like Latrin.

Starting to?

[waywardgs]

Starting to?

Oh, right. It's the Latrin/Clyde/Tgo trinity!

[Methais]

Oh, right. It's the Latrin/Clyde/Tgo trinity!

That can't be a trinity when 2 of them are the same person.

[waywardgs]

That can't be a trinity when 2 of them are the same person.

Tell that to the Christians.

[Androidpk]

Tell that to the Christians.

http://i.imgur.com/k0Xygbv.gif

[Methais]

Tell that to the Christians.

By golly you're right!

http://www.silenzio-in-sala.com/immagine_robin-hood-principe-dei-ladri_9837.jpg
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTkxMzk4MjQ4MF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMzExODQxOA@@._ V1_SX214_CR0,0,214,317_AL_.jpghttp://cdn.business2community.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Christian-2.jpg

[Latrinsorm]

Safety at all costs… you're starting to sound like Latrin.Objection.

[waywardgs]

Objection.

Counselors approach the bench.

[Methais]

Counselors approach the bench.

http://abnormaluse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/my-cousin-vinny-suit-court.jpg

[Latrinsorm]

Everything that guy just said is b***shit.

[Back]

Everything that guy just said is b***shit.

G**asp!

[Candor]

From now on I'll refer to Wrathbringer as Shartguy.

Actually, Shartbitch will be better.

[Wrathbringer]

Actually, Shartbitch will be better.

I'm flattered that you talk to yourself about me. Shart rep left.

[Tgo01]

Victim mentality! (http://rare.us/story/judge-loses-it-after-lawyer-tries-to-invoke-michael-brown-and-eric-garner-for-leniency)


A Broward County judge lost his cool after a public defender argued that his African-American client ran from the cops because he was scared he would be a victim of police brutality.

Twenty-six-year-old Steven Clarke fled after allegedly shooting at an officer, and was later found hiding under a boat dock wearing a firearms holster.

“Your honor, in light of what’s happening in this country with unarmed black men being killed by police, him running from shots being fired is a very reasonable response,” public defender Dale Miller argued in front of Judge John “Jay” Hurley.

“Don’t give me that,” Hurley hollered at Miller. “That is so off base.”

As Miller attempted to argue his case, Hurley cut him off, chastising the public defender.

“We’ve got a young man, I don’t care what color he is, he’s in a neighborhood he doesn’t live in at 1:41 in the morning, hiding under somebody’s dock in the water with a holster on after a police officer had a shot taken at him,” Hurley said, recounting Steven Clarke’s arrest.

“Don’t hand me this, ‘running from police brutality,’…That is not appropriate in this case. I’m not going to let you poison this case with bringing in something that has nothing to do with it,” he said.

I was with the judge up until he apologized. Why did he feel the need to apologize?

[Gelston]

Sleazebag lawyers aren't a new thing, pal.

OMG... Tgo is ClydeR.

[Tgo01]

Sleazebag lawyers aren't a new thing, pal.

Yes they are!!!


OMG... Tgo is ClydeR.

Tgo01 = Latrinsorm = ClydeR

[Atlanteax]

http://media.cagle.com/62/2015/01/06/158272_600.jpg

[Androidpk]

That would be hilarious if it wasn't true.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/al-sharpton-racist-label-post/2015/01/04/id/616270/

[Atlanteax]

That would be hilarious if it wasn't true.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/al-sharpton-racist-label-post/2015/01/04/id/616270/

Guess the PC needs to start a Warriorbird compensation fund.

[Warriorbird]

Guess the PC needs to start a Warriorbird compensation fund.

That chip on your shoulder must be bigger than a mountain.

[Atlanteax]

That chip on your shoulder must be bigger than a mountain.

OMG, why do you obsess over me?

[~Rocktar~]

That would be hilarious if it wasn't true.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/al-sharpton-racist-label-post/2015/01/04/id/616270/

This is news? Jessie Jackson and others have been extorting money from all kinds of organizations for over 20+ years with the race card.

[Androidpk]

This is news? Jessie Jackson and others have been extorting money from all kinds of organizations for over 20+ years with the race card.

It isn't new news but it is news none the less.

[Gelston]

http://www.shawnlankton.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/cornbread.jpg

[Tgo01]

http://www.aol.com/article/2015/01/09/in-poor-new-york-neighborhoods-residents-ask-where-are-the-po/21127726/


(Reuters) - On the sidewalk of a public housing development in Brooklyn, New York notorious for gang violence and drug activity, the words "Fascist pig, go home!" in black spray paint are fading but still legible.

These are the Marcy Houses, 27 brick H-block buildings, each six stories high, that are home to nearly 4,300 people, many of whom are black or Latino. The rapper Jay-Z, who grew up in the complex, described Marcy as "a block away from hell," the place where "news cameras never come," in a song called "Where I'm From."

In recent years, Marcy has had a group of very reliable visitors: the police, who patrol on foot and in cars as part of a controversial "broken windows" strategy that focuses on cracking down on small crimes to prevent bigger ones. Until three weeks ago, they had been an ever-present, highly visible presence in Marcy Houses.
Now, the police have all but disappeared, raising safety concerns among some residents while pleasing others who view the police strategy as oppressive. A reporter saw only one police car on a visit on Thursday.

The shooting of two police officers in their patrol car a block away from the development on Dec. 20 has widened a rift between the police unions and New York Mayor Bill de Blasio, who they accuse of making anti-police statements and fuelling a hostile environment for police, allegations he denies.

Police department data shows the number of arrests and court summonses has plunged across the city since the shooting. But it is in higher crime areas like Marcy Houses, and neighborhoods such as Mott Haven in the Bronx, that the lower police profile may be of most concern.

No court summonses were issued in the 79th police precinct, which includes Marcy Houses, in the week following the murder of the two policemen, compared to 401 summonses in the same period in 2013, according to police data. There were only 10 summonses issued last week, compared to 405 a year earlier.

New York Police Commissioner William Bratton confirmed for the first time on Friday that there has been a widespread work slowdown by police officers. Police unions deny orchestrating any slowdown.

SPOT THE COP

Marcy Houses resident Nisaa, a 22-year-old black woman who declined to give her last name, pointed to a nearby street corner and said that until a few weeks ago, there was always a patrol car parked there.

She thought the decrease in police presence was a good thing because so many of Marcy's residents feared confrontations with the cops. "It actually makes people feel better," she said.

Before the December shooting, patrol cars could be seen parked in regular spots along the perimeter of the eight-block compound. Police officers were often seen on the rooftops of the buildings and on foot throughout the complex, according to residents.

On Thursday, there were no marked police cars parked in the spots some residents said were their normal posts. One NYPD patrol car circled the complex but did not stop.

"I drive my husband to work every morning at 3 a.m. and when I would come back they would be there," said Luz Delia, 34, pointing to a parking spot along the edge of the complex. She said she liked parking her car and going back into her apartment knowing they were there. "I used to feel more safe."

There was no immediate comment from the NYPD.

The president of the Police Benevolent Association Patrick Lynch has said the union has not initiated or supported a slowdown, but experts say officers do have discretion in how they choose to enforce some infractions.

If police officers are engaged in a slowdown, it could backfire if it continues, said Robert Snyder, an associate professor at Rutgers University who has written about police and community relations.

"Police officers are not going to look good if they put on their uniform on and don't fight crime," Snyder said.

TOO AFRAID TO GO OUT

More than 11 miles from Marcy Houses lies Mott Haven in the South Bronx. The shops that line the main street of this poor neighborhood, population 91,000, are rarely the name-brand national chains, while music in Spanish spills out onto the streets from small stores.

Take the No. 6 train from Manhattan and into the Bronx, and the cars slowly become less white. The Bronx area that includes Mott Haven is almost exclusively black or Latino, according to a Census survey.

Just a few minutes of conversation with residents in the neighborhood is enough to draw out stories of shootings, stabbings, murder, or other violent crime, either experienced personally or witnessed. Police stops are considered a normal part of life, just another every day occurrence.

Yahaira Quinones, 37, said her building was normally patrolled by police under the Clean Halls crime prevention program but "I haven't seen that in a while."

She has also noticed fewer police officers in her neighborhood lately. In the past, if she needed to send her teenage daughter to the corner store, she would wait until she saw a cop on the street. Now, she doesn't feel safe sending her daughter out alone any more.

While crime in the Bronx has plummeted in recent years, residents in Mott Haven remain wary. Some of those interviewed said they simply try to socialize elsewhere and keep themselves and their children off the streets.

Not everyone sees a change in the police presence, and some of those that do are glad that there are fewer officers on the streets because they perceive police stops as demeaning.

Marissa Rivadeneira, 22, said she has definitely noticed fewer police around Mott Haven. She is now afraid when she walks home late at night from the subway station.

Rivadeneira used to call her mother on her way home, but now does not want to pull out her cellphone. When asked if her mother worries about her, Rivadeneira said, "Yeah, she does."

Well I guess some people are getting what they want; fewer pigs around to commit crimes. Guess it will be up to the local residents to pick up the slack.

Although I gotta say, I think doing a "slow down" actually kind of proves peoples' points about the police :/

Go do your jobs!

[Jarvan]

http://www.aol.com/article/2015/01/09/in-poor-new-york-neighborhoods-residents-ask-where-are-the-po/21127726/



Well I guess some people are getting what they want; fewer pigs around to commit crimes. Guess it will be up to the local residents to pick up the slack.

Although I gotta say, I think doing a "slow down" actually kind of proves peoples' points about the police :/

Go do your jobs!

A slow down really is stupid. That being said, it's a no win for Police. If they do a slow down, they look wrong, if they keep enforcing the law, they will be called racist pigs trying to keep the black man down or some such.

[waywardgs]

New York City started feelin' the revenue crunch. Gotta fire up that backdoor taxation machine again!

http://gothamist.com/2015/01/11/no_vacation_time_or_lunch_breaks_un.php

"The machine that pumps revenue into the city and reassurance back into its ruling class is slowly creeping back to life. “The slowdown is over in the sense that the numbers are starting to go back up again,” Commissioner Bratton told reporters on Friday, adding that he expects our court system to be clogged with turnstile jumpers and open container tickets "by early next week." To ensure the return to normalcy, NYPD leaders are preventing any officer from taking vacation leave or lunch breaks until low-level enforcement increases."

[~Rocktar~]

Could be me but I am pretty sure that a lunch break for workers having an 8 hours shift is indeed a Federal law.

[Tgo01]

Could be me but I am pretty sure that a lunch break for workers having an 8 hours shift is indeed a Federal law.

Surprisingly it's not. I think the law just states that if an employer does provide a lunch break they can't make an employee work during it. Or something.

[Gelston]

It is state laws that put in lunch break requirements.

http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/meal.htm

[Taernath]

It is state laws that put in lunch break requirements.

http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/meal.htm

That's private sector though.

Cops don't really get a lunch break. They call dispatch and say they might be stopping at a place to eat a sandwich for a few minutes, but they're still on call if anything happens near them.

[Gelston]

That's private sector though.

Cops don't really get a lunch break. They call dispatch and say they might be stopping at a place to eat a sandwich for a few minutes, but they're still on call if anything happens near them.

That is generally completely based on the department. Larger ones you call in a break, smaller ones, you do it when you can and if a call comes in, it is over.

[Latrinsorm]

Could be me but I am pretty sure that a lunch break for workers having an 8 hours shift is indeed a Federal law.What are they going to do about it, call the cops?

[~Rocktar~]

What are they going to do about it, call the cops?

In this case, they will likely call their union representative and if irritated enough about it, file a lawsuit. Fail troll is fail.

[Atlanteax]

A slow down really is stupid. That being said, it's a no win for Police. If they do a slow down, they look wrong, if they keep enforcing the law, they will be called racist pigs trying to keep the black man down or some such.

Well, if the alternative is dying... I cannot blame the police for choosing a slow-down.

[Jarvan]

Could be me but I am pretty sure that a lunch break for workers having an 8 hours shift is indeed a Federal law.

Nope.

[Tgo01]

Looks like the FBI cleared Darren Wilson of the bullshit charges the justice department brought against him.

[Warriorbird]

Looks like the FBI cleared Darren Wilson of the bullshit charges the justice department brought against him.

An investigation happened. That's different than "charges were brought."

[Tgo01]

An investigation happened. That's different than "charges were brought."

Your face was brought!

[Warriorbird]

Your face was brought!

I also need the Colonel, Murdock, and B.A. Baracus. I love it when a plan comes together.

[Atlanteax]

An investigation happened. That's different than "charges were brought."

Rabble-rouses wanted charges tho... and in the NYC 'cannot breath' and Trayvon Martin cases as well.

[Ker_Thwap]

I also need the Colonel, Murdock, and B.A. Baracus. I love it when a plan comes together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyz_2DEah4o

Worst theme song ever, probably.

[Parkbandit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyz_2DEah4o

Worst theme song ever, probably.

YOU SHUT YOUR STINKING LYING PIE HOLE YOU FUCKING HATER

[Candor]

Worst theme song ever, probably.

Nope. Try this one though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH6j63lhAAc

[Ker_Thwap]

Nope. Try this one though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH6j63lhAAc

Heathen, everyone loves a wailing french horn, everyone!

[Atlanteax]

California being California again...

http://www.ozy.com/pov/why-we-should-pay-gangs/38628?utm_source=CM1&utm_medium=pp&utm_campaign=pp


It’s not an easy pitch to voters: At the end of each month, we’re going to use taxpayer money to reward young, unemployed black men with a check for up to $1,000 — because they haven’t shot anyone. Oh, and we’re going to take them on trips around the world, too. Good luck getting re-elected after passing that one.

Still, the idea is piquing the interest of municipalities after the Northern California city of Richmond, worn to the fray by violence, did just that — though, in this particular instance, the funding for traveling and stipends comes from private foundations while the city pays operational expenses. And while the media may sensationalize Richmond’s Operation Peacemaker Fellowship as paying off gang members, the approach is worth the attention it’s attracting.

In the meantime, what about young unemployed white or hispanic men?

[Tgo01]

California being California again...

http://www.ozy.com/pov/why-we-should-pay-gangs/38628?utm_source=CM1&utm_medium=pp&utm_campaign=pp



In the meantime, what about young unemployed white or hispanic men?

Eh, giving them cold hard cash sounds stupid but otherwise it actually sounds like a good idea. If these people are serious about wanting to be more than just gang bangers then I think it's a good idea to help them go through school/college and help teach them some skills. The alternative is they stay on the streets and shoot people.

Yeah it might not be fair to those who are already on a good path but life isn't fair.

[Candor]

Eh, giving them cold hard cash sounds stupid but otherwise it actually sounds like a good idea. If these people are serious about wanting to be more than just gang bangers then I think it's a good idea to help them go through school/college and help teach them some skills. The alternative is they stay on the streets and shoot people.

Yeah it might not be fair to those who are already on a good path but life isn't fair.

Not cash. Vouchers for school is definitely a topic to discuss. Cash...no.

[Parkbandit]

Eh, giving them cold hard cash sounds stupid but otherwise it actually sounds like a good idea. If these people are serious about wanting to be more than just gang bangers then I think it's a good idea to help them go through school/college and help teach them some skills. The alternative is they stay on the streets and shoot people.

Yeah it might not be fair to those who are already on a good path but life isn't fair.

Wait.. maybe I missed something.. the cash payments aren't for going to school tuition reimbursement.. it's going to them because they haven't shot anyone... right?

[Tgo01]

Wait.. maybe I missed something.. the cash payments aren't for going to school tuition reimbursement.. it's going to them because they haven't shot anyone... right?

The article is rife with sarcasm and low on details but it sounds like they get a check while being "steered" towards a better path. I don't know if the "steered" towards a better path includes education and skills building or if they just mean they aren't shooting anyone and receiving a paycheck to do so therefore they are "better" than they were.

[Taernath]

I thought this was a pretty good writeup on the stuff going on in Albuquerque.

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/when-cops-break-bad-albuquerque-police-force-gone-wild-20150129?page=13

[Atlanteax]

http://asset-d.soup.io/asset/9307/4279_d9c1_500.jpeg

[JackWhisper]

Seriously, take a hard look at that computer chair the black guy sits on. Doesn't it look like he's sitting on a floating chair?!

[Gelston]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/db/db00bfe5bb49e9890012e01ae7f36752f02d7be01201ad2115 0c14a3d9dc4486.jpg

[Ker_Thwap]

Seriously, take a hard look at that computer chair the black guy sits on. Doesn't it look like he's sitting on a floating chair?!

No, you can literally see the support column next to his leg. You can see it!

[JackWhisper]

No, you can literally see the support column next to his leg. You can see it!

Lies. He's got dat ole' black magic.

[Gelston]

Lies. He's got dat ole' black magic.

WHYS IT GOTTA BE BLACK?

[Ker_Thwap]

Lies. He's got dat ole' black magic.

I'm fairly sure that's just the seat back dangling down.

[JackWhisper]

WHYS IT GOTTA BE BLACK?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82r9VQuet_k

[Methais]

Did the cop decide he was gonna use the white pieces?

If so he's obviously racist.

[waywardgs]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/us/justice-department-finds-pattern-of-police-bias-and-excessive-force-in-ferguson.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&bicmp=AD&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id&bicmst=1409232722000&bicmet=1419773522000&_r=0

Justice Department Finds Pattern of Police Bias and Excessive Force in Ferguson

WASHINGTON — Police officers in Ferguson, Mo., have routinely violated the constitutional rights of the city’s black residents, the Justice Department has concluded in a scathing report that accuses the officers of using excessive force and making unjustified traffic stops for years.

The Justice Department, which opened its investigation after a white Ferguson police officer shot and killed a black teenager last summer, says the discrimination was fueled in part by racial stereotypes held by city officials. Investigators say the officials made racist jokes about blacks on their city email accounts.

Officials: US Report Finds Racial Bias in Ferguson PoliceMARCH 3, 2015
After Michael Brown’s shooting in Ferguson, Mo., many black residents protested what they called unfair treatment by the police.Justice Department to Fault Ferguson Police, Seeing Racial Bias in Traffic StopsMARCH 1, 2015
Ferguson is a largely black city with a government and a police force that are mostly white. After the shooting of the teenager, Michael Brown, the city erupted in angry, sometimes violent protests and looting. Since then, Ferguson has been at the center of a national debate over race and policing that has drawn in President Obama, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. and the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey.

The report’s findings were summarized by a federal law enforcement official. The full report is expected to be released on Wednesday. A separate report is expected to clear the officer, Darren Wilson, of any civil rights violations in the shooting of Mr. Brown.

Ferguson officials now face the choice of either negotiating a settlement with the Justice Department or potentially being sued by it on charges of violating the Constitution.

In compiling the report, federal investigators conducted hundreds of interviews, reviewed 35,000 pages of police records and analyzed race data compiled for every police stop. They concluded that, over the past two years, African-Americans — who make up about two-thirds of the city’s population — accounted for 85 percent of traffic stops, 90 percent of citations, 93 percent of arrests and 88 percent of cases in which the police used force.

Black motorists were twice as likely as whites to be searched but were less likely to be found in possession of contraband such as drugs or guns.

The findings reinforce what the city’s African-American residents have been saying publicly for the past year: that years of discrimination and mistrust created the volatile environment that erupted after Mr. Brown’s shooting.