Liberal, Conservative, and everything else.

[Back]

Well, after derailing xtc’s topic, I thought maybe it would be better to start a new one. Any moderators want to move it all here?

Liberal vs. Conservative. After thinking about it, I’ve come to some conclusions.

Liberal means generous. Conservative means stingy. People who are generous probably don’t have as much money as people who are stingy. Generous means selfless, stingy means selfish.

Everyone has all of these traits to varying degrees. Indeed, the basic mode of survival dictates selfishness. Where is the reward for selflessness? The reward is the benefit of all over the self. To move from a singular to a plural mindset, therefore, transcends base instinct and evolves us into our real potental.

Liberal = evolve. Conservative = survive.

Debate.

[TheEschaton]

"What self-centered men have torn down, men other-centered shall build up once again."


Preach on, brother.


Liberal and damn proud.

-TheE-

[xtc]

[i]

Liberal vs. Conservative. After thinking about it, I’ve come to some conclusions.

Liberal means generous. Conservative means stingy. People who are generous probably don’t have as much money as people who are stingy. Generous means selfless, stingy means selfish.

Everyone has all of these traits to varying degrees. Indeed, the basic mode of survival dictates selfishness. Where is the reward for selflessness? The reward is the benefit of all over the self. To move from a singular to a plural mindset, therefore, transcends base instinct and evolves us into our real potental.

Liberal = evolve. Conservative = survive.

Debate.


lol @ Backlash are those Oxford dictionary definitions of liberal and conservative? No insult intended your obvious bias gave me a chuckle

[Latrinsorm]

Liberal and conservative are bad labels because people mean vastly different things when they say them. Politicians shouldn't be allowed to use any labels for each other besides pronouns and their names.

[Betheny]

Which topic are you referring (the xtc one?) I gotta see this shit.

[TheEschaton]

xtc, I think the whole point is that PB's "definitions" of liberals sparked in him a desire to have a discussion NOT on the definition of those terms, but what we thought constituted being a liberal/conservative.


-TheE-

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Backlash
Well, after derailing xtc’s topic, I thought maybe it would be better to start a new one. Any moderators want to move it all here?

Liberal vs. Conservative. After thinking about it, I’ve come to some conclusions.

Liberal means generous. Conservative means stingy. People who are generous probably don’t have as much money as people who are stingy. Generous means selfless, stingy means selfish.

Everyone has all of these traits to varying degrees. Indeed, the basic mode of survival dictates selfishness. Where is the reward for selflessness? The reward is the benefit of all over the self. To move from a singular to a plural mindset, therefore, transcends base instinct and evolves us into our real potental.

Liberal = evolve. Conservative = survive.

Debate.

You should work for CBS...

or DO YOU already??

[TheEschaton]

PB, Barry whatever-the-fuck's his name's book on being a "CBS Insider" was nothing but a bitter tirade against a former employer. Most of that book was (not shockingly) disproved by actual facts, instead of "insider info".

-TheE-

[Back]

Nah, I’m a free agent.

And to expound a bit... I don’t see either as bad, and have qualities of both, but I do hold one as preferable.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
PB, Barry whatever-the-fuck's his name's book on being a "CBS Insider" was nothing but a bitter tirade against a former employer. Most of that book was (not shockingly) disproved by actual facts, instead of "insider info".

-TheE-

Wow.. sounds like you read Paul O'Neill's book.. or Richard Clarke's. It's amazing how honest they 'obviously' were.. yet Barry whatever the fuck is just a bitter ex-employee.

:lol:

[Miss X]

I think it kind of depends on the person, I mean it's hard to put yourself into a category. I would consider myself liberal, left wing etc but I wouldn't suggest that it defines my generosity in terms of what I do for or what I give other people. I don't put money in every charity box I see, I'm not exactly selfless. I do a lot of things for the good of myself although I hope not at the expense of others.

I suppose the core of my personal generosity comes from what I am prepared to give to society. For example, tax doesn't bother me. If I earn more I am quite happy to pay more for the benefit of those who don't earn as much. I know as a nurse I will earn less but work more than a Doctor but that doesn't bother me, it's what I give to the patients that is important.

However, I'm not sure that it is directly linked to personal political ideology. There are so many other things that directly effect our ideas and personality and I think there are positive and negative aspects of every political party or opinion. I think I have always seen liberal people as far more accepting and tolerant of others. I hate that attitude some conservatives have towards what they would consider 'low life' or the dregs of society. The whole work ethic and conservative obsession with hard work = value to society is frustrating. I think under a conservative government I would worry more about the prospects for those people who need our help.

Anyway, I think I have got all muddled in what I wanted to say. Long day practising clinical skills! ;)

[Staceyrain]

I think conservative vs. liberal is fairly close to the original definition of this thread from Backlash, I have one difference to show however. Conservative = Status Quo where as Liberal = Change.
The real reason I am not a conservative is because without change you can not have progress. I believe we have to progress beyond where we are to evolve, in all ideals, in all sciences, including political. Those who have power however, will always argue for status quo. When we look beyond our own selfish survival instincts and try using our minds and logic to guide us towards a better future, progress is the obvious choice.

[TheEschaton]

I didn't like Paul O'Neill's book. It had the same aspects to it.


Clarke's book, I haven't read, but, after hearing Condi Rice's testimony to the 9/11 commission, as well as his, I feel like he's probably got a legitimate gripe, considering he was told to do a job, and when he did it, people just shuffled their feet on it.

If there's one aspect to it I imagine it to have, though, which is not in its favor, it's probably got a bit of "I told you so, you dumb fucks" sorta tone. Anyone who's read it?

-TheE-

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
I didn't like Paul O'Neill's book. It had the same aspects to it.


Clarke's book, I haven't read, but, after hearing Condi Rice's testimony to the 9/11 commission, as well as his, I feel like he's probably got a legitimate gripe, considering he was told to do a job, and when he did it, people just shuffled their feet on it.

If there's one aspect to it I imagine it to have, though, which is not in its favor, it's probably got a bit of "I told you so, you dumb fucks" sorta tone. Anyone who's read it?

-TheE-

I don't think those 4 people post here.

Sorry :P

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Miss X
I think I have always seen liberal people as far more accepting and tolerant of others. I always saw it as each side is more accepting of opposite groups; the "liberals" love the downtrodden and scorn the mighty while the "conservatives" spit at the "dregs" and schmooze the powerful (ok, maybe not spit, but you get the idea). Case in point: the 60's, or Michael Moore (although to be fair he'll spit on almost anybody).

[Some Rogue]

Originally posted by Backlash

Where is the reward for selflessness? The reward is the benefit of all over the self. To move from a singular to a plural mindset, therefore, transcends base instinct and evolves us into our real potental.



Anyone else notice the similarity to communist thought in that line?

[Some Rogue]

Originally posted by Staceyrain
Conservative = Status Quo where as Liberal = Change.


I think most conservatives are perfectly willing to change when there is a good reason to. Change for the sake of change isn't a good reason.

[Snapp]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Liberal and conservative are bad labels because people mean vastly different things when they say them. Politicians shouldn't be allowed to use any labels for each other besides pronouns and their names.

:yeahthat: If I was labeled, I'm sure it'd be "liberal." I hate that because my views aren't always the "liberal" way (just the majority ;)).

[GSTamral]

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Liberal, Conservative, and everything else.

Well, after derailing xtc’s topic, I thought maybe it would be better to start a new one. Any moderators want to move it all here?

Liberal vs. Conservative. After thinking about it, I’ve come to some conclusions.

Liberal means generous. Conservative means stingy. People who are generous probably don’t have as much money as people who are stingy. Generous means selfless, stingy means selfish.

Everyone has all of these traits to varying degrees. Indeed, the basic mode of survival dictates selfishness. Where is the reward for selflessness? The reward is the benefit of all over the self. To move from a singular to a plural mindset, therefore, transcends base instinct and evolves us into our real potental.

Liberal = evolve. Conservative = survive.

Debate.
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Come on Backlash. It goes a lot deeper than this.

Liberal has nothing to do with evolving. Liberal tends towards a socialistic utopia, whereas conservatism tends towards a more laissez faire evolution of minds.

Liberal philosophy tends to cater more towards individuals whereas conservative thinking tends more towards the masses.

[Warriorbird]

Laissez faire.. unless people want to do things like have sex... or get married...

[Back]

Tam, the sun is really really hot. And bright.

[waits for Tamral to explain how its cold and dark]

My above hypothesis came straight from definitions of the two words. Look them up. Its over simplified and more just using this forum as a sounding board for crazy theories. When it comes to problems, I look for simple answers like people usually try to do with mathmatic equations.

I see liberals as more of idealists and conservatives as realistis. Feeling good about yourself won't solve world problems, knowing what you gotta do and doing it is what counts.

- Arkans

[Celexei]

just following Arkans the post whore........on to the next one!

Post whoring is what I do in the mornings. I need to keep the count up, since the Sims 2 is pwning my nights.

- Arkans

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Celexei
just following Arkans the post whore........on to the next one! I haven't read the latest edition of the Big Book of Board Rules, but I doubt you're allowed to call someone a post whore when you have more posts than him or her... and you joined much more recently.
Originally posted by Backlash
When it comes to problems, I look for simple answers Well that's easy. Liberal = always wrong. :saint:

Someone just got served.

- Arkans