Leader of the free world - To tired /sigh

[Dwaar]

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-longs-break-white-house-bubble-120614293--politics.html

Leader of the free world complaining like a little bitch (I use that simply because this guy has no idea what real work is-campaigning, stump speeches and fundraisers sure). I'm pretty sure in the past 6 months, he took a huge Christmas break, a 2 week vacation after that, and now this? Now I don't fault him for taking Sunday off, got it... but another 4 day, when so damn much is going on? Perception is a lot, and I sadly deceive him as a weak man, take the politics out of it... he just "appears" weak to me.

But to complain that Washington is to constraining? He wanted the job and now he just whines and whines. God, can we please get a guy (or gal) in the White House with some fortitude?

For those that want to say "BUSH BUSH!" ... just don't. Again... I don't give a crap what others did, I care what the guy in there now is doing. Obama plays more golf than me, and I play every weekend (that I can - cause with my job I have to work weekends a lot of times).

I swear this guy... he'd probably walked off his post if he thought he had to do a 15 month deployment too, he's cut of that cloth.

Sorry venting a bit, but an article trying to make us all feel sorry for him and how hard he has it, just... gahahhahahahaha.

[Dwaar]

His own comments... just reek of "I really wish I wasn't the President."

He needs to stop already and realize, he got everything he wanted.

[Gelston]

But how can he be our President For Life if he is tired and wishes he wasn't the President?

[Warriorbird]

Presidents take a decent amount of vacation. They need it. If you don't think the job is hard, compare him from before he was elected to now.

[Dwaar]

But how can he be our President For Life if he is tired and wishes he wasn't the President?

Haha... I just can't stand the "woe is me" articles. He chose to run for President, he said he could do it better, he said he could handle it... and we're supposed to feel bad for him? Cause Washington and leading the free world "is tough"?? He needs to sack up some.

Just like Hillary and her, "oh we were so, so broke" booo hooo.. STFU!

Real people have it tough, these poser wanna-be's are a bunch of talking heads. Literally they just have to talk all day. That's it. Talk and some more talk, and everyone else makes it happen. Wanting us to feel for them, when they chose that life and they talk!! TALK! Hmmm... "I think we should do this"... go play golf, come back in 3 days... "Is that done? No? Then lets make it happen"... go to fundraiser, come back in 2 days... "It done? Why not? Congress said no?? Why? Well make it happen! Talk to congress?? I'm not talking to those fools"... pull pen out, write EO, go on golfing trip, hang out with Jay-Z, come back 4 days later.... "Wait...what's going on? Holy shit, I saw it on the news. I know right, that's crazy! Wait, what? I should say something to the press? Okay."... Press conference... "God that sucked them asking me questions. The politics in Washington is hard. I need a shake and burger from Wendy's. Where's my cigarettes? Oh yea can't let them see that. I need a vaca.".... 2 weeks in Hawaii.

/bitch slap

[Gelston]

They are never really on vacation, even when on vacation. I saw a show that basically showed the White House as a President's prison.

[Dwaar]

Presidents take a decent amount of vacation. They need it. If you don't think the job is hard, compare him from before he was elected to now.

Geezus.. you're right... I mean why should we expect more from our leaders? Did you read the article? The comments come across as if he doesn't want the job at all. And it's ohhhh sooo hard. Well no shit dumbass. It's the PRESIDENCY!

Of course there is nothing to be worked on over the past 4 days. No one to call at all. Just issue edicts from on high, come back in 4 days and see what has shaken out.

[Dwaar]

They are never really on vacation, even when on vacation. I saw a show that basically showed the White House as a President's prison.

I know they do work when on vacation. I'm not so crazy. For me it is the perception of it. I'm not sure how many times/articles I've read Obama say, "this is hard, I need a break, or I wish I was anonymous." Say it once, got it... when you say it over and over and over, year after year after year... just shut up already.

I'm venting a tad, I'm not totally crazy.. this guy just reeks of weakness though. ALPHA MALE it up!

[Warriorbird]

Geezus.. you're right... I mean why should we expect more from our leaders? Did you read the article? The comments come across as if he doesn't want the job at all. And it's ohhhh sooo hard. Well no shit dumbass. It's the PRESIDENCY!

Of course there is nothing to be worked on over the past 4 days. No one to call at all. Just issue edicts from on high, come back in 4 days and see what has shaken out.

I read the article. I just don't instantly freak out with hatred whenever I read his name.

[Tgo01]

I just don't instantly freak out with hatred whenever I read his name.

Well isn't it about time?

[Warriorbird]

Well isn't it about time?

Not really. He's pretty middle of the road to me as far as Democratic Presidents go. Better than Carter. Worse than Clinton.

[Dwaar]

Presidents take a decent amount of vacation. They need it. If you don't think the job is hard, compare him from before he was elected to now.

Compare photos of guys before they go on a 15 month deployment compared to when they finish.

Those guys have it hard, Politicians have it hard because they worry so much about people liking them.

I'm not saying the Presidency is easy... I can't stand people that are complaining about it, while they are in that position. If a Commander of a Military unit, or the CEO of a business was continually complaining about how hard he had it, how much work he had to do, how it was so hard on him and not the workers.... that guy would be universally hated. Since it's our President, I guess we should all let it slide.

[Dwaar]

I read the article. I just don't instantly freak out with hatred whenever I read his name.

I don't care about his name. It's his actions, the statements.... I don't care if he was named the Terminator. Get this... I don't care that his name is Obama... I can only go off of his actions/statements. If you were to replace that story with most anyone else or slightly different job... most people would be like really? Really?

Just to me... he seems like an emo pajama boy sipping on a latte.

[Warriorbird]

Compare photos of guys before they go on a 15 month deployment compared to when they finish.

Those guys have it hard, Politicians have it hard because they worry so much about people liking them.

I'm not saying the Presidency is easy... I can't stand people that are complaining about it, while they are in that position. If a Commander of a Military unit, or the CEO of a business was continually complaining about how hard he had it, how much work he had to do, how it was so hard on him and not the workers.... that guy would be universally hated. Since it's our President, I guess we should all let it slide.

Being Pope usually kills the people who do it. I don't think being President is that tough but I do think it is more akin to being Pope than what you are pushing. Just because you don't understand the pressures doesn't mean they aren't there. Do you think Bush is the same after his Presidency? You don't possess knee jerk hatred of him. Pretty much what he does is sit around the house and paint cute little pictures of dogs and his toes in the bathtub. No matter what you think of Bush do you think that was what he would've done before the Presidency? It took some of the life out of him.


I don't care about his name. It's his actions, the statements.... I don't care if he was named the Terminator. Get this... I don't care that his name is Obama... I can only go off of his actions/statements. If you were to replace that story with most anyone else or slightly different job... most people would be like really? Really?

Just to me... he seems like an emo pajama boy sipping on a latte.

I think you only care because he is Obama. You wouldn't disrespect or dehumanize other Presidents like this.

[Androidpk]

Lift hard, play hard.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEgqZYehpbw

[Dwaar]

Being Pope usually kills the people who do it. I don't think being President is that tough but I do think it is more akin to being Pope than what you are pushing. Just because you don't understand the pressures doesn't mean they aren't there. Do you think Bush is the same after his Presidency? You don't possess knee jerk hatred of him. Pretty much what he does is sit around the house and paint cute little pictures of dogs and his toes in the bathtub. No matter what you think of Bush do you think that was what he would've done before the Presidency? It took some of the life out of him.

Fair points. The Presidency does take the life out of the people that serve in it. A lot of jobs do. I don't think our Leaders should continually complain about it. He wanted to be the President of the United States. He wanted to lead the #1 country in the world. The number of times this guy has made the statements that he wishes he could walk away, or be anonymous, or just take it easy is astounding.

I'm pretty sure, 4 out of our last 5 Presidents are still alive. I'm pretty sure the last Pope is still alive. Both are stressful, that is or should be understood by the people seeking that position. It will require fortitude. It will drain your strength. But it is your responsibility if you are chosen to stay strong. It is your responsibility to care for those you represent/lead. It is your responsibility to not complain, and hear the complaints of others. That is what it means to be a leader.

Do whatever you want when you're out of office. Go paint or ride bikes or take photos of sunsets... I don't care. Your life is yours to live how you wish. But if you are going to represent the strongest Nation on earth, don't complain so much while you are in the position.

Read any guide on leadership... the qualities that are required... the qualities that allow great men/women to become influential leaders and shapers of the world... I'm not sure this person displays those qualities.

[Warriorbird]

Fair points. The Presidency does take the life out of the people that serve in it. A lot of jobs do. I don't think our Leaders should continually complain about it. He wanted to be the President of the United States. He wanted to lead the #1 country in the world. The number of times this guy has made the statements that he wishes he could walk away, or be anonymous, or just take it easy is astounding.

I'm pretty sure, 4 out of our last 5 Presidents are still alive. I'm pretty sure the last Pope is still alive. Both are stressful, that is or should be understood by the people seeking that position. It will require fortitude. It will drain your strength. But it is your responsibility if you are chosen to stay strong. It is your responsibility to care for those you represent/lead. It is your responsibility to not complain, and hear the complaints of others. That is what it means to be a leader.

Do whatever you want when you're out of office. Go paint or ride bikes or take photos of sunsets... I don't care. Your life is yours to live how you wish. But if you are going to represent the strongest Nation on earth, don't complain so much while you are in the position.

Read any guide on leadership... the qualities that are required... the qualities that allow great men/women to become influential leaders and shapers of the world... I'm not sure this person displays those qualities.

You only see it as serious complaints because of your ideology. The PUA style grunting about alphaness just adds to that.

EDIT:
At this rate I'd expect you to put up a "BRO DO YOU EVEN LIFT" jpg in a thread with a video of Obama lifting.

[Androidpk]

They are never really on vacation, even when on vacation. I saw a show that basically showed the White House as a President's prison.

Oh yeah well I have an uncle who works for Nintendo and he says that's not true.

[Androidpk]

I think you only care because he is Obama. You wouldn't disrespect or dehumanize other Presidents like this.

Not with that attitude he won't.

[Dwaar]

What's odd... if anyone sought as much time off, complained as much, said this is to hard, in the community that I work in... they would be ostracized within a year and a half. Chances would be given to change their attitude. Mentoring provided. Opportunities given for them to excel. If it continued... transitioned out... moved on... you're a great person, just not right for this.

Not everyone is wired the same way, nothing wrong or better/worse about it. But people are different. If you know what type of person you are, then you can have a much better, fulfilling life. Know your strengths and weaknesses. Just don't fill a position, because you like the limelight, but because you can take the pressure... because you can handle the stress... because you will be and set the ideal for others to admire and want to follow...

I'll get off the soapbox now... I just hate the perception of weak leaders /sigh. I think this of most of our Politicians btw... Why Congress gets so many breaks and average like 2 or 3 days of work a week pisses me off to no end. Those guys ... GAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH.

[Warriorbird]

What's odd... if anyone sought as much time off, complained as much, said this is to hard, in the community that I work in... they would be ostracized within a year and a half. Chances would be given to change their attitude. Mentoring provided. Opportunities given for them to excel. If it continued... transitioned out... moved on... you're a great person, just not right for this.

Not everyone is wired the same way, nothing wrong or better/worse about it. But people are different. If you know what type of person you are, then you can have a much better, fulfilling life. Know your strengths and weaknesses. Just don't fill a position, because you like the limelight, but because you can take the pressure... because you can handle the stress... because you will be and set the ideal for others to admire and want to follow...

I'll get off the soapbox now... I just hate the perception of weak leaders /sigh. I think this of most of our Politicians btw... Why Congress gets so many breaks and average like 2 or 3 days of work a week pisses me off to no end. Those guys ... GAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH.

I think acknowledging the need for some downtime is important in all sorts of high stress fields. Places that overdo it like investment banking, big law, business consulting, inside/outside sales, Amazon warehouse jobs and so on that don't want to admit weakness also have a much higher rate of burnouts.

You're likely just hyper sensitive if you're in one of those fields. It layers on top of the conservativeness.

To me this didn't seem like serious complaining. Even under a President I disagreed with (Bush) I only complained about him vacationing during a national disaster. I mean the guy had a movie made about murdering him. Obama had a look alike actor cast as Satan in a movie about Jesus. And that's just the tip of the iceberg for what a President goes through.

[Dwaar]

You only see it as serious complaints because of your ideology. The PUA style grunting about alphaness just adds to that.

EDIT:
At this rate I'd expect you to put up a "BRO DO YOU EVEN LIFT" jpg in a thread with a video of Obama lifting.

For the last time WB... IT IS NOT MY IDEOLOGY... read some stuff on leadership, and the qualities that make good leaders... I'm sure you have teaching history. Now take an objective look at our current Leaders, the President included. Does he really present those qualities? Take the politics out of it. Does he instill pride? Does he instill a desire to follow? Is he fair to all those he has been tasked to lead? Does he listen to all viewpoints, and make the best decisions regardless of his own ideologies? Does he work harder than those he asks to work for him? I could go on and on.

You think it's my "ideology".... it's just basic looking at leadership qualities.

Don't tell me that well the US has always been like this. I get worked up with most our leaders through all the scandals. It is about wanting someone better for all of us. Is that the wrong ideology?

[Gelston]

Oh yeah well I have an uncle who works for Nintendo and he says that's not true.

People still buy Nintendo products?

[Tgo01]

The problem with house members is their terms only last 2 years so they are constantly campaigning to keep their jobs.

[Androidpk]

People still buy Nintendo products?

Mario Kart 8 was just released and sold over a million copies in the first weekend.

[Warriorbird]

For the last time WB... IT IS NOT MY IDEOLOGY... read some stuff on leadership, and the qualities that make good leaders... I'm sure you have teaching history. Now take an objective look at our current Leaders, the President included. Does he really present those qualities? Take the politics out of it. Does he instill pride? Does he instill a desire to follow? Is he fair to all those he has been tasked to lead? Does he listen to all viewpoints, and make the best decisions regardless of his own ideologies? Does he work harder than those he asks to work for him? I could go on and on.

You think it's my "ideology".... it's just basic looking at leadership qualities.

Don't tell me that well the US has always been like this. I get worked up with most our leaders through all the scandals. It is about wanting someone better for all of us. Is that the wrong ideology?

My next post pointed to it maybe being some sensitivity because of your job.

For my own part I think we've had a lot of Presidents, some of them terrible. I think nearly all of them worked hard.

I think you see none of those qualities in Obama because of your politics and maybe your job. If he had none of them he wouldn't have won two Presidential elections.

[Androidpk]

Can you imagine if, mid WW2, someone like MacArthur talked like this?

[Gelston]

Mario Kart 8 was just released and sold over a million copies in the first weekend.

That's because everyone that bought a Wii U finally has a game to buy.

Haha, 6.17 Wii Us have sold, so 1/6th of the Wii U ownership has bought that game.

[Warriorbird]

Can you imagine if, mid WW2, someone like MacArthur talked like this?

I don't think we're mid WW2. Mid WW2 we also hadn't had Nixon and Clinton shattering the image of the Presidency.

[waywardgs]

Pretty amusing how you read a fluff piece about how Obama likes to take walks and your response is LOOK AT THIS LAZY PIECE OF SHIT NO FORTITUDE OMG GOLF FUCK!!!11

[Androidpk]

That's because everyone that bought a Wii U finally has a game to buy.

Haha, 6.17 Wii Us have sold, so 1/6th of the Wii U ownership has bought that game.

That game release also made a lot of people go out and buy a Wii U. Upcoming games like Zelda and Metroid will probably do so even more.

[Warriorbird]

That game release also made a lot of people go out and buy a Wii U. Upcoming games like Zelda and Metroid will probably do so even more.

I'd need like Oculus support before I think I'd get it.

[Tgo01]

Pretty amusing how you read a fluff piece about how Obama likes to take walks and your response is LOOK AT THIS LAZY PIECE OF SHIT NO FORTITUDE OMG GOLF FUCK!!!11

You gotta admit that during Obama's first term he spent more time doing news interviews, talking about basketball, playing golf and campaigning than anything else. It does seem like he's mellowed on this stuff a little bit recently though, which is kind of ironic since now he doesn't need to win another term.

[Dwaar]

Just from Forbes.. we could get into more scientific works, but a general idea of what I'm trying to get at.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tanyaprive/2012/12/19/top-10-qualities-that-make-a-great-leader/

1. Honesty - I think we all know he fails miserably on that front. 2/10
2. Ability to Delegate - I'll give this a 50/50.. as depending how you see it, he delegates a ton of stuff, sadly who he delegates to is a huge topic of discussion. 5/10
3. Communication - Foreign policy wise he sucks, and he seriously won't talk to others across the aisle, but he sounds good at speeches 6/10
4. Sense of Humor - Nice smile, but he definitely has a thin skin when it comes to being self-deprecating. He likes cracking jokes about others though. 5/10
5. Confidence - He definitely has that, but his consistent whining about how hard he has it is off putting. 4/10
6. Commitment - This is one that really gets me - would require a lot of discussion, but in my view. 3/10
7. Positive Attitude - again goes back to confidence. 4/10
8. Creativity - Short term politically speaking 8/10 - couple mess-ups but he is politically savvy. Actual policy wise/decision making skills and long term effects 5/10.
9. Intuition - Again, politically 7/10. Actual work related decision making processes 4/10.
10. Ability to inspire - Politically 9/10. Actual work related issues? 2/10 - unless you are a complete ideologue.

So that I take this to a more subjective tone.. how would you rate him WB? Seriously.

[Gelston]

That game release also made a lot of people go out and buy a Wii U. Upcoming games like Zelda and Metroid will probably do so even more.

Yeah, neither of those games or Mario Kart would convince me to buy a Wii U.

[Dwaar]

The problem with house members is their terms only last 2 years so they are constantly campaigning to keep their jobs.

Agree TG. Sad, but true.

[Androidpk]

Nintendo would be silly to not considering Oculus. That and Metroid would be pretty insane.

[Androidpk]

Agree TG. Sad, but true.

Extend it to 4 and, along with the senate, ​impose term limits!

[Dwaar]

Pretty amusing how you read a fluff piece about how Obama likes to take walks and your response is LOOK AT THIS LAZY PIECE OF SHIT NO FORTITUDE OMG GOLF FUCK!!!11

If you think I care that he goes for a walk, then you definitely don't get it.

[waywardgs]

Can you imagine if, mid WW2, someone like MacArthur talked like this?

They probably did, there just wasn't a thousand reporters sticking microphones all over the place to catch their every breath and inject it into the 24hr news cycle.

[Elantari]

You gotta admit that during Obama's first term he spent more time doing news interviews, talking about basketball, playing golf and campaigning than anything else. It does seem like he's mellowed on this stuff a little bit recently though, which is kind of ironic since now he doesn't need to win another term.

Your President (bow your knee) makes conservative whores and shills like you weep, cry and rage. That alone makes me happy. He shoved the ACA down your throat, and while you're gagging right now, you're going to learn to like it the good little whore you are. I'm laughing my ass off.

[Warriorbird]

You gotta admit that during Obama's first term he spent more time doing news interviews, talking about basketball, playing golf and campaigning than anything else. It does seem like he's mellowed on this stuff a little bit recently though, which is kind of ironic since now he doesn't need to win another term.

http://i.imgur.com/48FWVE3.jpg

[Dwaar]

Extend it to 4 and, along with the senate, ​impose term limits!

I would like to see it at 3-4 year terms and 2-6 year terms is the max allowed. Cap both at 12, the Presidency at 8.

Our politicians have turned our Government into their own private playground.

[Warriorbird]

Just from Forbes.. we could get into more scientific works, but a general idea of what I'm trying to get at.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tanyaprive/2012/12/19/top-10-qualities-that-make-a-great-leader/

1. Honesty - I think we all know he fails miserably on that front. 2/10
2. Ability to Delegate - I'll give this a 50/50.. as depending how you see it, he delegates a ton of stuff, sadly who he delegates to is a huge topic of discussion. 5/10
3. Communication - Foreign policy wise he sucks, and he seriously won't talk to others across the aisle, but he sounds good at speeches 6/10
4. Sense of Humor - Nice smile, but he definitely has a thin skin when it comes to being self-deprecating. He likes cracking jokes about others though. 5/10
5. Confidence - He definitely has that, but his consistent whining about how hard he has it is off putting. 4/10
6. Commitment - This is one that really gets me - would require a lot of discussion, but in my view. 3/10
7. Positive Attitude - again goes back to confidence. 4/10
8. Creativity - Short term politically speaking 8/10 - couple mess-ups but he is politically savvy. Actual policy wise/decision making skills and long term effects 5/10.
9. Intuition - Again, politically 7/10. Actual work related decision making processes 4/10.
10. Ability to inspire - Politically 9/10. Actual work related issues? 2/10 - unless you are a complete ideologue.

So that I take this to a more subjective tone.. how would you rate him WB? Seriously.

5 or 6 out of 10. It still doesn't mean I think he doesn't work hard.


I would like to see it at 3-4 year terms and 2-6 year terms is the max allowed. Cap both at 12, the Presidency at 8.

Our politicians have turned our Government into their own private playground.

Do you want politicians even more owned by big donors/unions?

[Androidpk]

Our politicians have turned our Government into their own private trust fund.

:spin2:

[Dwaar]

5 or 6 out of 10. It still doesn't mean I think he doesn't work hard.

What do you feel he works hard on?

International relations?
Economy?
Energy?
Trade policies?

You can work hard, but still work on the wrong things. I think he has focused on the wrong things, but that would be my "ideology". I was (even though I was ranting a bit), trying to get to what I expect out of a Leader. I just feel he is a weak leader. Doesn't mean I don't think he is a good person, I'm sure he is. But as a leader, in my opinion, he is horrible. Better to have at a dinner party, than running my business.

[Dwaar]

:spin2:

WHOOOOOOOOOAAAAAA....

Flipping the script PK!

Flipping the script!

[Warriorbird]

What do you feel he works hard on?

International relations?
Economy?
Energy?
Trade policies?

You can work hard, but still work on the wrong things. I think he has focused on the wrong things, but that would be my "ideology". I was (even though I was ranting a bit), trying to get to what I expect out of a Leader. I just feel he is a weak leader. Doesn't mean I don't think he is a good person, I'm sure he is. But as a leader, in my opinion, he is horrible. Better to have at a dinner party, than running my business.

I see his main failing as his stupid attempts to cooperate with the Republican Party. Thankfully he's mostly moved past that.

[Dwaar]

I see his main failing as his stupid attempts to cooperate with the Republican Party. Thankfully he's mostly moved past that.

Oh good lord, baby jesus help us. I'm not even going to touch that one right now, I need a night I'm slightly drunk. :)

[Gelston]

I see his main failing as his stupid attempts to cooperate with the Republican Party. Thankfully he's mostly moved past that.

So attempt to compromise is a major failing in your eyes?

[Warriorbird]

Oh good lord, baby jesus help us. I'm not even going to touch that one right now, I need a night I'm slightly drunk. :)

It's fine. I know you guys like to pretend a year of negotiations and meetings and him dissipating his mandate don't exist.

[Dwaar]

It's fine. I know you guys like to pretend a year of negotiations and meetings and him dissipating his mandate don't exist.

If you think I only worry about one issue, when there is 6 years worth of things, then you seek an easy argument my esteemed, learned teacher of young minds.

[Tgo01]

I see his main failing as his stupid attempts to cooperate with the Republican Party. Thankfully he's mostly moved past that.

He's moved right past that and isn't all that interested in negotiating with his own party.

[Warriorbird]

He's moved right past that and isn't all that interested in negotiating with his own party.

Of course. He's never been good at that. Then again, if Reid and Pelosi weren't absolutely terrible at their jobs (see Lyndon Johnson, Tipp O'Neill, or Frank Underwood for better examples) he wouldn't have had to do so much of that.

[Latrinsorm]

Can you imagine if, mid WW2, someone like MacArthur talked like this?To be fair, that dude smoked weed every day.

[Androidpk]

To be fair, that dude smoked weed every day.

I wouldn't doubt it. A dab a day kept the japs at bay.

[Warriorbird]

I wouldn't doubt it. A dab a day kept the japs at bay.

http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/9/8/9/29989.jpg


If you think I only worry about one issue, when there is 6 years worth of things, then you seek an easy argument my esteemed, learned teacher of young minds.

That's when any chance of future negotiation left.

[Androidpk]

That is one odd looking pipe.

[Warriorbird]

That is one odd looking pipe.

http://2neatmagazines.com/Life-Magazine-Covers/1964/Life-Magazine-1964-01-10.jpg

http://www.water-bongs-glass-pipes.com/ImgGalery/Dictionary/douglas-mac-arthur.jpg

He sure did love his pipes. The corncob one's the most iconic but there are others.

[Androidpk]

I made a rather nice looking pipe out of a stick but I never got around to curing it, if that's the right terminology. Someday.