How to create your own job!

[Dwaar]

https://www.yahoo.com/food/we-got-a-champion-barista-to-rank-the-sub-par-coffee-87315012866.html

We used to call them waiters and waitresses. They used to be high school kids that were working summer jobs. They used to be the out of work actors and actresses.

Now, college educated kids, who couldn't find work in the real world, have revolutionized the service industry. Barista!

Unless you're Italian, living in the countryside, making the coffee yourself as the beans are brought in by the 80 year old farmer from the land daily..... You are a waiter/waitress.

No wonder there is so much student debt out there.

[Taernath]

No wonder there is so much student debt out there.

It's more because college tuition is up by 1000% from 30 years ago.

[Back]

https://www.yahoo.com/food/we-got-a-champion-barista-to-rank-the-sub-par-coffee-87315012866.html

We used to call them waiters and waitresses. They used to be high school kids that were working summer jobs. They used to be the out of work actors and actresses.

Now, college educated kids, who couldn't find work in the real world, have revolutionized the service industry. Barista!

Unless you're Italian, living in the countryside, making the coffee yourself as the beans are brought in by the 80 year old farmer from the land daily..... You are a waiter/waitress.

No wonder there is so much student debt out there.

Thats a very narrow minded viewpoint. The service industry is serious. You can easliy make 50k a year as a server at a good restaurant thats busy.

Specialized knowledge has even more value. Pastry chefs, sommeliers, mixologists, are all examples of people who know a special aspect of their profession. Barista is absolutely a specialized skillset. I guarantee if I put you behind a legit espresso machine your cappucino is not going to beas good as a barista's.

People who aren't in the service industry think it's easy. It's not. Not by a long shot.

Blame student debt on students? How about blaming the outrageous cost of education and the student loan system first.

[Tgo01]

How about blaming ... the student loan system first.

What's wrong with the student loan system?

[Taernath]

Thats a very narrow minded viewpoint. The service industry is serious. You can easliy make 50k a year as a server at a good restaurant thats busy.

Specialized knowledge has even more value. Pastry chefs, sommeliers, mixologists, are all examples of people who know a special aspect of their profession. Barista is absolutely a specialized skillset. I guarantee if I put you behind a legit espresso machine your cappucino is not going to beas good as a barista's.

People who aren't in the service industry think it's easy. It's not. Not by a long shot.

Definitely true. My cousin is a legit world famous mixologist. He flies around the world, gets billing at clubs, and creates new drinks at competitions. From the outside looking in you'd think a mixologist is just a jumped up bartender, but it's not.

[Kakoon]

We serve espresso in the book store I work at and there are a lot more coffee drinks then just the normal latte, mocha, cappuccino, etc. Some of the drinks can get pretty complicated and the guidelines for making the drinks can get strict too. From the time the espresso sits in the shot glasses to the type of milk and temperature, hell even pouring the espresso over ice rather than ice into espresso changes the taste. Plus you get the assholes who get so picky about having their drink at exactly 186 degrees or whatever. You also get the customers who you ask if they want a wet or dry cappuccino and they look at you like you're speaking Italian. Coffee just isn't as simple as pouring black liquid out of a pot anymore.

[Gelston]

I don't see anything wrong with them being called Baristas, anymore then I don't see anything wrong with the women at Medieval Times being called serving wenches. It is for atmosphere.

[Androidpk]

I'm not a custodian I'm a sanitation engineer.

[Tgo01]

I'm not a custodian I'm a sanitation engineer.

I went to a restaurant once where our waiter said he was going to be our "food engineer" for the evening.

[Gelston]

I went to a restaurant once where our waiter said he was going to be our "food engineer" for the evening.

Did you ask to see his credentials?

[Androidpk]

I went to a restaurant once where our waiter said he was going to be our "food engineer" for the evening.

"Welcome to Applebee's, my name is Todd and I'll be your nourishment logistician for the evening."

[Elantari]

I am always puzzled by the moron conservative fucktard rejects who hate on people working hard in decent jobs. There are no doubt plenty of waiters and waitresses who make more money than Dwaar-fuck does. I know this because Dwaar-fuck is obviously a poor little idiot who has never eaten at a nice restaurant. For if he had, he wouldn't be shitting on the people who make his experience so wonderful. Dwaar's idea of a good meal out is probably a meal at Long John Silvers. Hey Dwaar, how's that Chicken Plank? Did you take your little wife to Applebee's for your anniversary? Fucking redneck.

[diethx]

I am always puzzled by the moron conservative fucktard rejects who hate on people working hard in decent jobs. There are no doubt plenty of waiters and waitresses who make more money than Dwaar-fuck does. I know this because Dwaar-fuck is obviously a poor little idiot who has never eaten at a nice restaurant. For if he had, he wouldn't be shitting on the people who make his experience so wonderful. Dwaar's idea of a good meal out is probably a meal at Long John Silvers. Hey Dwaar, how's that Chicken Plank? Did you take your little wife to Applebee's for your anniversary? Fucking redneck.

...wut

[Dwaar]

I am always puzzled by the moron conservative fucktard rejects who hate on people working hard in decent jobs. There are no doubt plenty of waiters and waitresses who make more money than Dwaar-fuck does. I know this because Dwaar-fuck is obviously a poor little idiot who has never eaten at a nice restaurant. For if he had, he wouldn't be shitting on the people who make his experience so wonderful. Dwaar's idea of a good meal out is probably a meal at Long John Silvers. Hey Dwaar, how's that Chicken Plank? Did you take your little wife to Applebee's for your anniversary? Fucking redneck.

I eat just well thanks, and Long John Silvers is horrible. Go to the grocery store and buy some real food and cook it yourself. Now go get me my coffee wai... mmm, barista.

[Androidpk]

I eat just well thanks, and Long John Silvers is horrible. Go to the grocery store and buy some real food and cook it yourself. Now go get me my coffee wai... mmm, barista.

You mean wench.

[Wrathbringer]

Thats a very narrow minded viewpoint. The service industry is serious. You can easliy make 50k a year as a server at a good restaurant thats busy.

Specialized knowledge has even more value. Pastry chefs, sommeliers, mixologists, are all examples of people who know a special aspect of their profession. Barista is absolutely a specialized skillset. I guarantee if I put you behind a legit espresso machine your cappucino is not going to beas good as a barista's.

People who aren't in the service industry think it's easy. It's not. Not by a long shot.

Blame student debt on students? How about blaming the outrageous cost of education and the student loan system first.

Back, student debt is exactly that. Debt incurred by a student. A conscious decision was made by a student to enter into debt under the conditions agreed. No responsibility in liberal land though amirite?

[Dwaar]

Before this gets to out of hand... I was being semi-facetious. I didn't mean to offend anyone by it, just working at Starbucks is not a "career". Neither is working at a fast-food restaurant at the counter. Using that starting position to move up, assistant-manager, manager, regional as the years progress.. hopefully that is what people strive for.

I actually used to be a waiter and bartender at various restaurants/bars in the D.C. area when I was young myself. Made a ton of money relatively speaking. It definitely wasn't my end goal in life though. I just hope people continue to improve themselves, and move up the ladder of whatever chain they work in. I fully respect anyone that has a job and puts in an honest days work. Lets just not glorify stuff to much.

I did like the nourishment logistician one though :)

[Tgo01]

I don't see anything wrong with people making a career out of these jobs.

Maybe someone likes the relatively stress free job of just being required to work a cash register and memorizing what comes on a Big Mac.

I only have a problem when these same people then demand to make 20 dollars an hour.

[Androidpk]

I don't see anything wrong with people making a career out of these jobs.

Maybe someone likes the relatively stress free job of just being required to work a cash register and memorizing what comes on a Big Mac.

I only have a problem when these same people then demand to make 20 dollars an hour.

Fluffers get $35 an hour!

[Back]

Back, student debt is exactly that. Debt incurred by a student. A conscious decision was made by a student to enter into debt under the conditions agreed. No responsibility in liberal land though amirite?

Predatory lending practices and the high cost of education are issues. Banks have us by the short hairs from college to the grave.

[Warriorbird]

Starbucks is stepping up.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/15/news/economy/starbucks-schultz-education/index.html

[Tgo01]

Fluffers get $35 an hour!

Exactly! If you want the big bucks you better be prepared to play with a dude's junk.

[Back]

Before this gets to out of hand... I was being semi-facetious. I didn't mean to offend anyone by it, just working at Starbucks is not a "career". Neither is working at a fast-food restaurant at the counter. Using that starting position to move up, assistant-manager, manager, regional as the years progress.. hopefully that is what people strive for.

I actually used to be a waiter and bartender at various restaurants/bars in the D.C. area when I was young myself. Made a ton of money relatively speaking. It definitely wasn't my end goal in life though. I just hope people continue to improve themselves, and move up the ladder of whatever chain they work in. I fully respect anyone that has a job and puts in an honest days work. Lets just not glorify stuff to much.

I did like the nourishment logistician one though :)

Working at Starbucks certainly can be a career. Starbucks would not exist if it wasn't. Nobody thinks minimum wage is career. It's a starting point.

I had this conversation with my dad. He started getting all self righteous about what he's done with his life compared to a guy working at a supermarket stocking shelves. I told him that the guy stocking shelves is just as important. Who is going to do it? My dad? No way in hell. But he depends on them like we all do.

[Androidpk]

Starbucks is stepping up.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/15/news/economy/starbucks-schultz-education/index.html

Wow, and I thought the free drinks was nice :)

[Warriorbird]

Exactly! If you want the big bucks you better be prepared to play with a dude's junk.

Okay Spottswoode

http://www.modigmovie.com/uploads/7/8/0/7/7807744/724261689.gif

[Androidpk]

Exactly! If you want the big bucks you better be prepared to play with a dude's junk.

Nah, I'm gonna outsource my job to your hand. Don't let me down, Tgo. Or rather, don't let that dude's junk down.

[subzero]

Fluffers get $35 an hour!

I suppose we shouldn't ask...

[Androidpk]

I googled it.

[Tenlaar]

Is that a professional term?

[Parkbandit]

What's wrong with the student loan system?

Banks?

eta: lolol


Predatory lending practices and the high cost of education are issues. Banks have us by the short hairs from college to the grave.

[Wrathbringer]

Predatory lending practices and the high cost of education are issues. Banks have us by the short hairs from college to the grave.

No one is forcing anyone to buy education. Yet. As such, if you can't afford it, don't buy it. Short ones saved.

[Ker_Thwap]

Student loans are dirt cheap these days. Predatory lending practices exist, but not in the student loan realm.

Colleges on the other hand, sure some/most? are into the massive profit, empire building mode. But you can indeed shop around and get some very affordable tuition, and by the end of four years, you don't end up with much more than a car loan.

The people who are getting themselves into massive debt are doing so because they aren't working during the school year, because they're treating college as a wonderful four year party with their peers, they weren't bright enough to earn scholarships, because they're taking loans to fund their room and board.

As for the barista deal, more power to them. There's nothing wrong with starting at the bottom rung of a company and working your way up. If you can convince someone your services are valuable, show up every day and work hard, eventually you'll end up with a better job. (http://thechive.com/2014/04/30/mike-rowes-brilliant-response-to-a-mans-request-to-help-find-him-the-perfect-job-7-photos/)

[Taernath]

Student loans are dirt cheap these days. Predatory lending practices exist, but not in the student loan realm.

No, there are predatory student loans as well. That's why there has been a push to limit monthly payments among other things:
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-06-11/heres-why-the-student-loan-market-is-completely-insane


Colleges on the other hand, sure some/most? are into the massive profit, empire building mode. But you can indeed shop around and get some very affordable tuition, and by the end of four years, you don't end up with much more than a car loan.

The people who are getting themselves into massive debt are doing so because they aren't working during the school year, because they're treating college as a wonderful four year party with their peers, they weren't bright enough to earn scholarships, because they're taking loans to fund their room and board.


You can go the community college transfer route and save some money, but if you're planning on more than an AA or a very specific set of BAs eventually you'll have to deal with an actual college which is far more expensive. Also, keep in mind not everyone is a partyhard dudebro or shiftless drama major. Internships (where you gain connections and experience for your career) can be unpaid and/or temporary, which interferes with actual wage earning, and doing more than 12 credits if you're working full time is a huge pain in the ass and has an effect on your GPA. The bottom line is an undergrad is unlikely to be able to afford the 15k-30k tuition plus living expenses without outside help. This is why student loans are common and a major issue right now.

[Ker_Thwap]

No, there are predatory student loans as well. That's why there has been a push to limit monthly payments among other things:
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-06-11/heres-why-the-student-loan-market-is-completely-insane



You can go the community college transfer route and save some money, but if you're planning on more than an AA or a very specific set of BAs eventually you'll have to deal with an actual college which is far more expensive. Also, keep in mind not everyone is a partyhard dudebro or shiftless drama major. Internships (where you gain connections and experience for your career) can be unpaid and/or temporary, which interferes with actual wage earning, and doing more than 12 credits if you're working full time is a huge pain in the ass and has an effect on your GPA. The bottom line is an undergrad is unlikely to be able to afford the 15k-30k tuition plus living expenses without outside help. This is why student loans are common and a major issue right now.

Interesting article, but it didn't describe a predatory lending practice, it just kind of mentions that some might exist. A predatory lending practice to me is one in which a bank PROFITS by giving a loan that they know can't be paid back. This allows the bank to foreclose on that juicy delicious collateral.

Pfft, my genius baby got a full scholarship to B.U., she worked, she was a nanny to save on room and board, had her internship in London and graduated cum laude last year, she's employed, paying back her loan and is still able to live in NYC. It's not my fault that other people's children are inferior.

[Tenlaar]

Thinking that things are fine with college costs right now is crazy to me.

http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/images/charts/Education/education_sm.jpg

[Atlanteax]

Kill the student financial aid program ... problem solved as colleges scramble to cut tuition across the board to ensure they maintain attendance.

[Dwaar]

Predatory lending practices and the high cost of education are issues. Banks have us by the short hairs from college to the grave.

Not really. There are plenty of people that are debt free. Though interestingly, they do sort of have us by the balls. In 2008 I bought a brand new car. I could have paid cash, but wanted to keep some on hand, so I called my bank up. Those SOB's didn't want to give me a loan. When I asked why, they said because you don't have much of anything on your credit report. I said, but I don't owe anyone anything! They said, you haven't used anything for credit in the past 12 years. I said, I know! I don't owe anyone anything! They said, well you need to build your credit! I said, look at my bank account, do you really think I won't pay it off?? They thought about it said okay. Gave me a 5 year, 0% interest on first 12 months for my car.

I paid it off in 6 months. F them and their interest rates.

[Dwaar]

Thinking that things are fine with college costs right now is crazy to me.

http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/images/charts/Education/education_sm.jpg

Definitely agree that costs have skyrocketed for no apparent reason. A bill that I think would be interesting, any state school price increases should be capped at CPI or inflation growth. They're state schools right? They get some money from somewhere. Private colleges can do whatever they want, they're private.

http://www.ordoludus.com/10.html

If you cut out the room and board, most in state tuitions are EASILY doable. Just work during the breaks and should not be to difficult at all. Get an apartment with 3 roommates, call it a day.

[Dwaar]

Interesting article, but it didn't describe a predatory lending practice, it just kind of mentions that some might exist. A predatory lending practice to me is one in which a bank PROFITS by giving a loan that they know can't be paid back. This allows the bank to foreclose on that juicy delicious collateral.

Pfft, my genius baby got a full scholarship to B.U., she worked, she was a nanny to save on room and board, had her internship in London and graduated cum laude last year, she's employed, paying back her loan and is still able to live in NYC. It's not my fault that other people's children are inferior.

Congrats for your kid! Sounds like you raised a good one and she is doing well. Always happy to hear a success story.

[Thondalar]

What's wrong with the student loan system?

I thought Obama fixed all that.

[Thondalar]

Definitely agree that costs have skyrocketed for no apparent reason.

Liberals control education. Prices skyrocket everywhere liberals control. Makes sense to me.

[Dwaar]

Liberals control education. Prices skyrocket everywhere liberals control. Makes sense to me.

Touché' good sir, touché'.

[Wrathbringer]

Liberals control education. Prices skyrocket everywhere liberals control. Makes sense to me.

this

[Atlanteax]

Liberals control education. Prices skyrocket everywhere liberals control. Makes sense to me.

Perfection.

[Warriorbird]

Liberals control education. Prices skyrocket everywhere liberals control. Makes sense to me.

It really didn't have a damn thing to do with that. Unless you consider Reagan a liberal. Some do.

[Dwaar]

It really didn't have a damn thing to do with that. Unless you consider Reagan a liberal. Some do.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

I will refer you to number 12 sir.

[Warriorbird]

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

I will refer you to number 12 sir.

It doesn't mean they were what raised college tuition costs. K-12 teachers hardly raised those. Also a LOL to that entirely inadequate/biased list.

[Dwaar]

It doesn't mean they were what raised college tuition costs. K-12 teachers hardly raised those. Also a LOL to that entirely inadequate/biased list.

I could also quote that a study was done that showed 96% of all National political donations went to Democratic candidates. I'm sure you wouldn't like that one either.

[Warriorbird]

I could also quote that a study was done that showed 96% of all National political donations went to Democratic candidates. I'm sure you wouldn't like that one either.

If it shamelessly ignored the Chamber of Commerce and every single Republican Super PAC/PAC I probably wouldn't. Hell, it even ignores a bunch of Democratic ones.

It'd help if you note this from the list itself


We are working to revise this list to take into account the new realities of campaign finance created by the Citizens United decision, but as it currently stands, there are significant omissions.