Latrinsorm
06-04-2014, 07:21 PM
I've been thinking about Paul George and Kawhi Leonard recently. They each had debutante 7 games series against Miami last year: 19 6 5 on 48% and 15 11 1 on 51% while semi-credibly guarding LeBron. (He still put up 29 7 5 on 51% and 25 11 7 on 45% against them, but that counts.) This led many to proclaim that both were poised to explode into superstardom this year, including a literally incredible article claiming George (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1880078-which-superstar-would-you-rather-build-around-kevin-durant-or-paul-george) was a better option to build around than Kevin God Damn Durant.
But then... neither really got there.
George improved by 4 points per game but lost a rebound, half an assist, and bumped his poor FG% by a mere .005. Overall, his PER increased 3.3 but his USG increased 4.8.
Leonard's improvement was more overall but less dramatic: 1 point, 0.2 boards, 0.4 assists, .03 FG% to get above 50%. His composite metrics fared better: +3 PER to only +1.9 USG. He also missed 14 games due to a broken finger.
Both PERs are right around 20, and I feel like 25 PER is a pretty reasonable ask for a perimeter superstar. If we look at all players in the past 10 years to put up 2 or more such seasons, we get 12 guys, 7 of whom are listed at 6'10" or under: LeBron, Wade, Paul, Durant, Kobe, Love, Amar'e. Of those, 6 put up their first 25+ PER season by their 4th season - Kobe is a huge outlier in his 7th. 5 of the 7 did so aged 23 or younger - Kobe and Wade were both 24. These cutoffs are interesting because George is going into his 5th season, age 24. It wouldn't be totally unprecedented for him to get there, but 79% of those who became superstars were already there. Kawhi's will be going into season 4 age 23 so he's got more time, only trying to catch up with 64%.
That metric is pretty small, though, so I also wondered what an overall PER aging curve would look like. This is tricky because as I've mentioned in the past there are 3 basic types of NBA careers: 1 year, 3 year, and 11 year. A 1 year player is lousy no matter what his age, that's why he only plays 1 year. If we're talking about superstars, we're talking about guys who stick around. There are the Bill Waltons of the world, but the guys who don't suffer catastrophic injury are far more common. Thus I decided to take any guy who had at least 10 1000+ MP seasons in his career. I'm not sure how many that is yet, but I took the 50 retired players who fit the bill and got this...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/johnnyoldschool/NBAAgingPERCurve_zps6e6ca4a1.png
Mixed news for George: average player PER doesn't hit an extended peak until 25, but it also only goes up by 2.5 points from the age 23 season. I'm pretty pleased how smooth the curve is already without having to factor in injuries, usage, playing time, etc. I've got a lot more data to get through, then we can do things like see if Paul George starting off at 13.0 PER hurts him, or if Kawhi only improving by 2.8 from 1st year to 3rd hurts him. Too much ground to make up or going too slow to do so, in other words.
Full data:
19 19.6 1
20 39.7 2
21 192.8 11
22 597.9 37
23 765.4 46
24 859.9 49
25 937.7 50
26 936.1 49
27 943.3 50
28 915.2 48
29 934.1 49
30 923.2 50
31 876.2 48
32 884.7 50
33 864.3 50
34 815.1 49
35 719.9 45
36 588.5 38
37 429.2 28
38 266.5 18
39 134.8 8
40 70.7 4
41 23 2
42 13 1
I only graphed the bins with 20+ count pretty much arbitrarily.
But then... neither really got there.
George improved by 4 points per game but lost a rebound, half an assist, and bumped his poor FG% by a mere .005. Overall, his PER increased 3.3 but his USG increased 4.8.
Leonard's improvement was more overall but less dramatic: 1 point, 0.2 boards, 0.4 assists, .03 FG% to get above 50%. His composite metrics fared better: +3 PER to only +1.9 USG. He also missed 14 games due to a broken finger.
Both PERs are right around 20, and I feel like 25 PER is a pretty reasonable ask for a perimeter superstar. If we look at all players in the past 10 years to put up 2 or more such seasons, we get 12 guys, 7 of whom are listed at 6'10" or under: LeBron, Wade, Paul, Durant, Kobe, Love, Amar'e. Of those, 6 put up their first 25+ PER season by their 4th season - Kobe is a huge outlier in his 7th. 5 of the 7 did so aged 23 or younger - Kobe and Wade were both 24. These cutoffs are interesting because George is going into his 5th season, age 24. It wouldn't be totally unprecedented for him to get there, but 79% of those who became superstars were already there. Kawhi's will be going into season 4 age 23 so he's got more time, only trying to catch up with 64%.
That metric is pretty small, though, so I also wondered what an overall PER aging curve would look like. This is tricky because as I've mentioned in the past there are 3 basic types of NBA careers: 1 year, 3 year, and 11 year. A 1 year player is lousy no matter what his age, that's why he only plays 1 year. If we're talking about superstars, we're talking about guys who stick around. There are the Bill Waltons of the world, but the guys who don't suffer catastrophic injury are far more common. Thus I decided to take any guy who had at least 10 1000+ MP seasons in his career. I'm not sure how many that is yet, but I took the 50 retired players who fit the bill and got this...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/johnnyoldschool/NBAAgingPERCurve_zps6e6ca4a1.png
Mixed news for George: average player PER doesn't hit an extended peak until 25, but it also only goes up by 2.5 points from the age 23 season. I'm pretty pleased how smooth the curve is already without having to factor in injuries, usage, playing time, etc. I've got a lot more data to get through, then we can do things like see if Paul George starting off at 13.0 PER hurts him, or if Kawhi only improving by 2.8 from 1st year to 3rd hurts him. Too much ground to make up or going too slow to do so, in other words.
Full data:
19 19.6 1
20 39.7 2
21 192.8 11
22 597.9 37
23 765.4 46
24 859.9 49
25 937.7 50
26 936.1 49
27 943.3 50
28 915.2 48
29 934.1 49
30 923.2 50
31 876.2 48
32 884.7 50
33 864.3 50
34 815.1 49
35 719.9 45
36 588.5 38
37 429.2 28
38 266.5 18
39 134.8 8
40 70.7 4
41 23 2
42 13 1
I only graphed the bins with 20+ count pretty much arbitrarily.