Crazy large assembled high level group run amuck in lowbie area

[Yasutoshi]

I encountered a really strange situation over the last few days.

When playing a lower level character of mine I keep running into a group of (11 grouped characters) that consists of some very high level people (80ish to 100th level) and some lowbies. They run amuck in some level 5 areas at full speed (probably scripting is my guess), never talk or communicate out loud, kill everything in sight, and sometimes would run into my room, loot my monsters, and move on in under a second or two. One of the higher end monks is using the spell that attracts/angers monsters to increase numbers in the area.

At first I thought, ah probably just a group that is working to help some younger folks in one of the houses. But, I'm not so sure now since they have been doing this for hours and for days. I finally ended up reporting them and one of the GMs sent me a response of "Thanks for the heads up!!" but day after day there they are, eating up this level 5ish to 10ish area.

I'm curious as to what this is really about. Is it some coordinated group helping out house members? A coordinated group scripting and taking advantage of grouped exp bonuses? A coordinated group power-level scripting multiple alts?

I'd rather not name names here.

Thoughts?

[Gelston]

It could be any of those. Either way, their lower level guys will out level you eventually, and they'll be out of your hair.

[Yasutoshi]

I'd prefer if they were scripting that they at least fix their scripts so they don't autoloot my corpses. The other thing I thought about was maybe they were also doing undead/favor watching. I was more curious about the advantages of what they were doing. Bard was leading, they had two monks, a cleric, an empath, and haven't looked up the others. No biggie really.

[Gelston]

I'd prefer if they were scripting that they at least fix their scripts so they don't autoloot my corpses. The other thing I thought about was maybe they were also doing undead/favor watching. I was more curious about the advantages of what they were doing. Bard was leading, they had two monks, a cleric, an empath, and haven't looked up the others. No biggie really.

There is a setting that will allow only you to loot your kill. Might even mess with their script even you leave a bunch of unlooted corpses about.

[Luntz]

Was it Banthal, Rummirasal etc and that entire group of shitlords? That guy ruins every hunting ground, is constantly reported by people, and is still around. GMs are either purposefully ignoring him or are just useless pieces of shit, either way wouldn't surprise me.

[Anebriated]

There is a setting that will allow only you to loot your kill.


This. Also if he is responding to the GM's script checks then he wont be busted for anything as annoying as it is.

[Yasutoshi]

Was it Banthal, Rummirasal etc and that entire group of shitlords? That guy ruins every hunting ground, is constantly reported by people, and is still around. GMs are either purposefully ignoring him or are just useless pieces of shit, either way wouldn't surprise me.

Well since you mentioned it:

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And the reports:

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[subzero]

is constantly reported by people, and is still around.

Sounds like it's time for people to get the hint and knock it off.

[Tenlaar]

That's pretty crazy. Wonder if it's somebody trying to sell a handful of level 20ish characters before the end of their 30 day free trials?

[Kembal]

Do they stay grouped together or do they run through the rooms individually at warp speed? I ask because when I'm hunting my cleric in mezics, I'll see a bunch of people suddenly run though the room at once. I haven't paid attention to names, but sounds similar to this group. It's irritating, but I don't have anything to report beyond that, so I haven't said anything.

[Whirlin]

Does Banthal post here?

[Allereli]

That's pretty crazy. Wonder if it's somebody trying to sell a handful of level 20ish characters before the end of their 30 day free trials?

I thought there was a 10 level limit for trial accounts

[Yasutoshi]

Do they stay grouped together or do they run through the rooms individually at warp speed? I ask because when I'm hunting my cleric in mezics, I'll see a bunch of people suddenly run though the room at once. I haven't paid attention to names, but sounds similar to this group. It's irritating, but I don't have anything to report beyond that, so I haven't said anything.

They stay grouped together. Always at least 11 people minimum led by Banthal. Korabas runs the monk rage spell. Banthal also does the auto-looting because I even screen captured him running into the room and looting corpses several times. It definitely seems scripted. I thought about trying to jump/join them to see what happens. But, I didn't want to find myself dragged off to some castle and put into slavery. LOL

[azim17]

Mwave and go to town on the entire group? I dont think you would get too much pushback from GMs...might want to find a new area to hunt for a while though. This is around Solhaven? What area exactly?

[Methais]

Well since you mentioned it:

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And the reports:

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That's some pretty serious business.

Also I want that monk spell that brings more critters. The fact that wizards don't have it is racist.

[Yasutoshi]

Mwave and go to town on the entire group? I dont think you would get too much pushback from GMs...might want to find a new area to hunt for a while though. This is around Solhaven? What area exactly?

Mist Wraiths, Revenants, and Werebears.

They seem to come out at night or in the evening.

[Archigeek]

There is a setting that will allow only you to loot your kill. Might even mess with their script even you leave a bunch of unlooted corpses about.

This is a great thing, but I'd like to add that if you participate in invasions, please please please flip this switch back to allowing anyone and everyone to loot any kill. Some of us like to clean up the battle field, which we can't do if they can't loot your kill and it's first in the queue. In some cases, the attack method being used doesn't play nice with targeting, so it's a real PITA if they can't loot.

[m444w]

I specifically turned this on for invasions because I got tired of asshats running into my room, looting my kills with a script and running off (usually under invisibility).

You large groups of people may not notice it because of all the scroll.

[Flap]

I thought there was a 10 level limit for trial accounts

Nope. I'm on a trial, level 20.

[Archigeek]

I specifically turned this on for invasions because I got tired of asshats running into my room, looting my kills with a script and running off (usually under invisibility).

You large groups of people may not notice it because of all the scroll.

It's a pain in the ass for hurling, which doesn't work well with targeting. I can't just type "hurl", I have to type "hurl bandit" or "hurl third bandit" etc. That's why I ask people to allow anyone to search kills during invasions. I do agree that running a script to pick up loot during an invasion is weak. As far as I'm concerned, if you're in a large invasion fighting group and you're picking up all the loot, you're the one being the ass-hat. Unless your group has a plan to share everything out etc. I try to encourage everyone to pick up some loot.

Anyway, it's a good toggle to switch for the OP, to disallow the looting.

[Drakefang]

It's a pain in the ass for hurling, which doesn't work well with targeting. I can't just type "hurl", I have to type "hurl bandit" or "hurl third bandit" etc. That's why I ask people to allow anyone to search kills during invasions. I do agree that running a script to pick up loot during an invasion is weak. As far as I'm concerned, if you're in a large invasion fighting group and you're picking up all the loot, you're the one being the ass-hat. Unless your group has a plan to share everything out etc. I try to encourage everyone to pick up some loot.

Anyway, it's a good toggle to switch for the OP, to disallow the looting.

One, I agree, it's a pain on archers to get their arrows back during an invasion if you aren't letting anyone loot. Second, I search as much and as fast as I possibly can during an invasion for three reasons. One, to get my arrows. Two, because ranged users don't suffer from encumbrance the same as melee folks do. Three, because it helps to be able to see what the hell is in the room. It's likely I keep most of the silvers but return them during various Drake function later on. I'll pick up higher end gems instead of just leaving them lay there, which we very often do during invasions. I turn around and make orb gems for raises, in which I give away all of them without asking for returns or tips.

Kembal, it's possible you saw the Drakes come through Mezics last night to go to a grim warcamp. We hit a Solhaven warcamp about once a week, two out of three weeks or so.

[Zaigh]

I thought there was a 10 level limit for trial accounts

You might be thinking about WoW, EQ, etc... that used to do those limited level trials.

[poloneus]

They stay grouped together. Always at least 11 people minimum led by Banthal. Korabas runs the monk rage spell. Banthal also does the auto-looting because I even screen captured him running into the room and looting corpses several times. It definitely seems scripted. I thought about trying to jump/join them to see what happens. But, I didn't want to find myself dragged off to some castle and put into slavery. LOL

Hit me up and I'll go hunting with you. Nature's Fury works wonders on swarms of zombies. Of course I mean the undead zombies in IMT ;)

[Allereli]

You might be thinking about WoW, EQ, etc... that used to do those limited level trials.

no I don't play those games.

[Astray]

I have yet to encounter the group but it appears they are going to out level their area pretty quick, all things considered. It's a shame that nothing was likely done on behalf of the GMs.

[Lulfas]

no I don't play those games.

There is some form of a trial right now where it is level 10 only. Possibly there is a system to get to the old trial still?

[Methais]

I have yet to encounter the group but it appears they are going to out level their area pretty quick, all things considered. It's a shame that nothing was likely done on behalf of the GMs.

I'll be happy to randomly major ewave some kobolds out there sometime...

[Yasutoshi]

They just showed up. They seem to come out between 8 pm and 10 pm EST and then stay awhile.

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Room numbers are in the pic.

[Yasutoshi]

I may go out there and help my friend out.

[m444w]

Someone should just get a capped bandit task in the area and just wander around until they spawn enough bandits to wipe out their capped characters.

[Yasutoshi]

Okay here you go - the proof!

Look and read through these. By the way when I asked them all to say hi within 5 seconds, they synchronized and all said Hi at once while werebears were attacking. No way anyone can do that simultaneously within 1 second inbetween a swing. Would have been more believable if they happened in different time increments. But, all at once?

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Now when will a GM do something about them?

[Yasutoshi]

The other 5 here:

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[Yasutoshi]

And the last one:

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[Yasutoshi]

Banthal was the only one interacting the entire time until I requested to say Hi in 5 seconds. He didn't do it in 5 seconds though. But, when it happened it all happened simulatenously within less than a second. My guess is he's using a multiboxing utility so that he can simultaneously attack. He sets the attack up on one key for each person that needs to attack and they all attack at once. Sort of an assist mechanism.

By the way, here's the newest report:

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[cwolff]

Looks like someone's MA'ing to get some characters through Voln.

[Tenlaar]

Ok, so...you decided to AFK script check him yourself, he was at the keyboard, and then you proceeded to post shots of him being at the keyboard as proof of his doing something wrong...except he wasn't?

[Gelston]

Hey, it sucks when someone goes through that obviously has that many accounts. In graphical MMOs it is called multiboxing and it is illegal if you are using a macro/bot to control more than one account. In GS, it is way hard to prove. However, no one is required by TOS to respond to you. Now, they DO have to respond to a GM. So, keep reporting them. If it is effecting your gameplay that much, maybe they'll be hit with being disruptive.

[Buckwheet]

He could just be using macros and crosscharcom also. I used it very effectively for a long long time. The hunting style was pretty much mastered by the original Sabreon I believe. He would go to a room in OTF and just camp there. When UAC came out everyone can jab spam with the monk spell running and there is zero chance of dying really. 1s Jab spam with flaring weapons.

[subzero]

Okay here you go - the proof!

Look and read through these. By the way when I asked them all to say hi within 5 seconds, they synchronized and all said Hi at once while werebears were attacking. No way anyone can do that simultaneously within 1 second inbetween a swing. Would have been more believable if they happened in different time increments. But, all at once?

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Now when will a GM do something about them?

Scripting isn't against the rules. He's clearly responding to you, thus not afk. Get over it.

[subzero]

Hey, it sucks when someone goes through that obviously has that many accounts. In graphical MMOs it is called multiboxing and it is illegal if you are using a macro/bot to control more than one account. In GS, it is way hard to prove. However, no one is required by TOS to respond to you. Now, they DO have to respond to a GM. So, keep reporting them. If it is effecting your gameplay that much, maybe they'll be hit with being disruptive.

Multiboxing, in my experience, is generally not 'illegal'. People use programs like ISBoxer which isn't a bot; you're inputting commands, not having a program do it all for you. Botting is typically against the rules in most games, but that is not synonymous with multiboxing.

[Aluvius]

Yeah, I guess this person is following the rules and not technically violating the TOS while operating 11 characters simultaneously in a hunting group because really that's all that matters in a game like Gemstone. I guess.

I think I ran across this group at a Thrak's table with a completely different set of names about 6 months ago. I didn't take any of the 50 or so boxes laying on the floor and let the person take the table back over (guess there was a snafu with the code/disconnect). It was disheartening to see someone playing the game in that manner.

I wonder if it helps explain why there are sudden loot drop-offs in many of the 10 to 30's areas in WL/Solhaven even with such low overall player numbers if someone is consistently running up character groups there in that level range. I level up a lot of single alts in the area from 0-30 and it can be like someone suddenly turned off a light switch one day in an area when it comes to loot. These are areas where I don't see another soul for weeks.

[Ardwen]

Actually since you need to be actively watching every character engaged in any activity gaining any benefits this would technically b illegal, its basically how Emeradan banned one of the more famous multi-character players, eventually he found afk script checks that werent checkable and bam that was that, you need to be watching every character and with that many something tells me it isnt happening.

[Methais]

I bet if you asked to join his group he'd give you first hit on most/all critters to get you a quick and easy fry.

Worst that'll happen is he says no.

[m444w]

Scripting isn't against the rules. He's clearly responding to you, thus not afk. Get over it.

Scripting disruptively, afk or not is against the rules. Ala, stealing the loot that he would get from the creatures he has killed, spamming the shit out of his room while he's wandering around by an excessively fast wandering mechanism, etc.

[Buckwheet]

There is no need for him to run around using provoke and that number of guys anyways. He should be causing a pretty nice swarm and could just camp one room.

[Yasutoshi]

There is no need for him to run around using provoke and that number of guys anyways. He should be causing a pretty nice swarm and could just camp one room.

I think what some other folks don't seem to realize (people that disagree with this line of thinking) is that I reported him because:


He was looting my lower character's monsters and my friend's monsters.
He was being disruptive moving 11 characters between a small amount of rooms with disks and creating tons of spam.
He was enraging mobs so that occasionally the room my friend and I were hunting in would have 6 or 7 monsters pop in at once. Werebears charge so several times we were hurt.
He is creating an unfair advantage for himself with all of the higher level characters linked together and also taking advantage of exp bonuses.
And, lastly, what for? Selling accounts? Rinse and repeat next month with a new batch?


If he stood around in just one room, it may in fact be less disruptive and the loot issue would not have come about.

[cwolff]

I think what some other folks don't seem to realize (people that disagree with this line of thinking) is that I reported him because:


He was looting my lower character's monsters and my friend's monsters.
He was being disruptive moving 11 characters between a small amount of rooms with disks and creating tons of spam.
He was enraging mobs so that occasionally the room my friend and I were hunting in would have 6 or 7 monsters pop in at once. Werebears charge so several times we were hurt.
He is creating an unfair advantage for himself with all of the higher level characters linked together and also taking advantage of exp bonuses.
And, lastly, what for? Selling accounts? Rinse and repeat next month with a new batch?


If he stood around in just one room, it may in fact be less disruptive and the loot issue would not have come about.

You're right. All those MA'ers and the players who heavily script in Prime do make the whole game worse for everyone. It's just that no one's going to do anything about it. The game's probably dying anyway so the way to look at it is that at least the MA'ers are paying many monthly subscriptions.

[Allereli]

the loot issue wouldn't come about if you just change your loot settings. the scripter is annoying, but your screenshots show nothing.

[Whirlin]

You're right. All those MA'ers and the players who heavily script in Prime do make the whole game worse for everyone. It's just that no one's going to do anything about it. The game's probably dying anyway so the way to look at it is that at least the MA'ers are paying many monthly subscriptions.

Ok Elantari.

[cwolff]

Ok Elantari.

No problem Park Bandit.

[Buckwheet]

I think what some other folks don't seem to realize (people that disagree with this line of thinking) is that I reported him because:


He was looting my lower character's monsters and my friend's monsters.
He was being disruptive moving 11 characters between a small amount of rooms with disks and creating tons of spam.
He was enraging mobs so that occasionally the room my friend and I were hunting in would have 6 or 7 monsters pop in at once. Werebears charge so several times we were hurt.
He is creating an unfair advantage for himself with all of the higher level characters linked together and also taking advantage of exp bonuses.
And, lastly, what for? Selling accounts? Rinse and repeat next month with a new batch?


If he stood around in just one room, it may in fact be less disruptive and the loot issue would not have come about.

Your lists like this are a weakening your arguments. You need to separate out the issues that are okay and the issues that are not.

Looting your characters kills, scrolling the room, and taking your loot is wrong. Everything else is your list is not. Enraging is a spell and it has already been nerfed due to other players use. Get over it. Unfair advantage? How is it unfair? He pays for 11 accounts he is free to do whatever he wants within the game guidelines. There are several MAers in general who do what he is doing but just not on the scale of it or to the harassment level of moving and stealing kills. Higher level characters being linked to lower level characters has been used several times and also to the opposite effect.

Using lower level characters to give buffs to high level characters, pick boxes, slave heal, slave rez, sell to the shops, locker mules etc. The point is a group is a group is a group. It doesn't matter who is paying for it, it doesn't matter who is playing it. The group just needs to be more aware of the two legit issues you have mentioned.

It doesn't matter what its for. Kitsun did 6 capped characters for the purpose of well capping. I have 13 characters for the purpose of well, capping. There is another person who uses 8 characters in Nelemar to..cap. Sabreon used 8 characters in OTF...to cap. You can't speculate on the motives nor does it matter. They could be to cap, they could be to level up a bunch of mid level slaves to support the capped characters to do bandits or Warcamps, it could be to just provide high enough levels of utility to support their capped characters, it could be sell, or sell coins, or do just about anything.

In the end your enjoyment would have not been impacted illegally if they just had camped the room and provoked, thereby negating all the harassing looting, killing and screen scroll.

[Dendum]

Your lists like this are a weakening your arguments. You need to separate out the issues that are okay and the issues that are not.

Enraging is a spell and it has already been nerfed due to other players use.
It is not a spell designed for the lower level areas. Provoke is a 35 level spell for a class that struggles to 1x spells. It was never designed to be dumped into hobgoblins and I think any reasonable person would recognize that fact.

[Buckwheet]

It is not a spell designed for the lower level areas. Provoke is a 35 level spell for a class that struggles to 1x spells. It was never designed to be dumped into hobgoblins and I think any reasonable person would recognize that fact.

You designed the spell? The GM that did design it didn't put any restrictions on what it provokes. If they wanted that restriction they would have coded it.

[m444w]

the loot issue wouldn't come about if you just change your loot settings. the scripter is annoying, but your screenshots show nothing.

Yeah, he's clearly asking for it by not having his flags up.

What if he hunts with an ambushing partner?

The onus is not on him to deal with an asshat, that's what GMs are for and I'm amazed at the number of people defending this sort of disruptive behavior.

If this guy would just add a sleep cycle of even 1 second in between wanderings, and you know... not loot other people's kills, people probably wouldn't care, but that's just too much to ask.

[Yasutoshi]

You designed the spell? The GM that did design it didn't put any restrictions on what it provokes. If they wanted that restriction they would have coded it.

He's saying it is a 35th level spell being used in a 5th-10th level area that adversely impacts other adventuring parties. Keep in mind my character in the area was a cleric stancing from defensive to just guarded while casting. My friend has a sorcerer doing the same thing. We are hunting at our level and very seldom some charging gets through by werebears that can injure us. But, we don't take on more than 3 or 4 tops in a room. You throw in 7 or more that just randomly appear out of nowhere and it has a negative impact. What if both of us were in offensive and playing melee classes. If characters died from the impact of this spell in this area, would you change your line of thinking?

And, who is to say he is paying for those accounts? What if 6 of them are trial accounts he is leveling to sell off to someone? Is it then fair to disrupt the play of a prime sub with this type of activity using trial accounts?

[Taernath]

He was looting my lower character's monsters and my friend's monsters.
Change loot settings.


He was being disruptive moving 11 characters between a small amount of rooms with disks and creating tons of spam.
Squelch.


He was enraging mobs so that occasionally the room my friend and I were hunting in would have 6 or 7 monsters pop in at once. Werebears charge so several times we were hurt.
Swarming is a part of Gemstone. Werebears is usually completely empty.


He is creating an unfair advantage for himself with all of the higher level characters linked together and also taking advantage of exp bonuses.
Grouping mechanics working as intended.

And, lastly, what for? Selling accounts? Rinse and repeat next month with a new batch?
Who knows? Doesn't really matter.

[Allereli]

Yeah, he's clearly asking for it by not having his flags up.

What if he hunts with an ambushing partner?

The onus is not on him to deal with an asshat, that's what GMs are for and I'm amazed at the number of people defending this sort of disruptive behavior.

If this guy would just add a sleep cycle of even 1 second in between wanderings, and you know... not loot other people's kills, people probably wouldn't care, but that's just too much to ask.

ambushing/hiding/grouping was fixed a couple of years ago and the ambusher will stay in the group.

I said I agree with him that the larger group is annoying. he is reporting it and doing what he can, except he is not changing his loot setting, which would fix one of his main annoyances.

Also, this is not the place to contact GMs. Feedback or the officials is.

[Whirlin]

I think it's less about the actions themselves, and more about courtesy, and awareness of the impacts you're having on others... You know, what shit that empaths have... Empathy (1108)?

Sabreon used to openly declare when he was going hunting, offering healing, picking, spells, and rescue services to anyone in Ta'Illistim, and used to invite anyone OTF level to hunt with the group.

I know when I was script hunting Oceanianianianiaianian through Maaghara, I used to send ;chats to anyone I passed in the first 10 minutes and state that I was scripting, and that if I was ever being a dick, or invasive in their hunting, to let me know, and I'll either swap hunting grounds, offer spells with Whirlin, or log off for the evening.

If the group hunter had approached Yasutoshi and explained what was happening, offer spells, support, etc... I doubt there'd be as much of an issue... It's really the lack of consideration that's worth noting, and makes for a valid character complaint thread. Shit, I have a whole complaint thread dedicated to me because I didn't see Loralaii, e-waved her, and then stole her kill in OTF.

[Dendum]

You designed the spell? The GM that did design it didn't put any restrictions on what it provokes. If they wanted that restriction they would have coded it.

They did put a restriction on it, they restricted it to people above level 35, they probably didn't account for a low level dip of this nature, because...guess what Simu is far from mistake free when it comes to design decisions.

Sub level 10 the critters don't have much in the way of spells or maneuvers or strange mechanics, it is all about numbers.

. I never really have a problem with script hunters, except in cases just like this where they are actively being dicks about other peoples time. In the end if enough scripters are douchey enough they will hinder their own business because no one will want to play in the little world they are fucking up. There are very considerate scripters, and some moderately inconsiderate scripters, neither bother me but this is a clear example of an action that will negatively impact other people, and probably roll down with more stupid nerfs just because one person with 11 characters has decided not to think things through.

[Taernath]

They did put a restriction on it, they restricted it to people above level 35, they probably didn't account for a low level dip of this nature, because...guess what Simu is far from mistake free when it comes to design decisions.

Sub level 10 the critters don't have much in the way of spells or maneuvers or strange mechanics, it is all about numbers.

So you can't cast spikethorn on a kobold? You can't implode a rat? A level based restriction is not a restriction on what you can use it on.

[Dendum]

So you can't cast spikethorn on a kobold? You can't implode a rat? A level based restriction is not a restriction on what you can use it on.

You can't get a mechanical reward for doing so no.
It really is up to Simu at this time to nerf the ability if they don't want it used that way, have it only work if the creatures grant exp or the like. Which would be a shame because it had some valid down hunt and assist functions outside of bot leveling.

[m444w]

ambushing/hiding/grouping was fixed a couple of years ago and the ambusher will stay in the group.


While stealth combat is breaking down this to one specific type of hunting partner, this is not always true, especially if you use the "unhide" verb and a few other cases, it still breaks the group. You just don't have to spam stalk after every single hide.

[Allereli]

While stealth combat is breaking down this to one specific type of hunting partner, this is not always true, especially if you use the "unhide" verb and a few other cases, it still breaks the group. You just don't have to spam stalk after every single hide.

I have no issues with the group mechanics when hunting with my rogue, and I am shitty when it comes to any character with physical combat. you are pulling at straws in order to salvage some level of validity.

[Tenlaar]

. I never really have a problem with script hunters, except in cases just like this where they are actively being dicks about other peoples time. In the end if enough scripters are douchey enough they will hinder their own business because no one will want to play in the little world they are fucking up. There are very considerate scripters, and some moderately inconsiderate scripters, neither bother me but this is a clear example of an action that will negatively impact other people, and probably roll down with more stupid nerfs just because one person with 11 characters has decided not to think things through.

I think you are greatly exaggerating things. Actively being a dick? Nobody is saying looting another person's kill is ok, and if I were him I would cut the disks out and just have the higher level characters scooping up loot. Beyond those two things he is doing absolutely nothing wrong and people are simply going off of a gut feeling that running that many characters is "bad."

[Johnny Five]

I think you are greatly exaggerating things. Actively being a dick? Nobody is saying looting another person's kill is ok, and if I were him I would cut the disks out and just have the higher level characters scooping up loot. Beyond those two things he is doing absolutely nothing wrong and people are simply going off of a gut feeling that running that many characters is "bad."

I bet you loved hunting OTF when Sab was around. 13901283018230 webs, each room had 5+ mobs, 123091293081223901 constructs.

[Dendum]

I think you are greatly exaggerating things. Actively being a dick? Nobody is saying looting another person's kill is ok, and if I were him I would cut the disks out and just have the higher level characters scooping up loot. Beyond those two things he is doing absolutely nothing wrong and people are simply going off of a gut feeling that running that many characters is "bad."

Those two things are what separate a good script (and scripter) from a dick.
I hunt alongside the pinefar scripting crew often, I have no problem with them, the scripts are well made and even though they are almost constantly running the area they have never stolen or interfered in my hunt besides screen scroll (which doesn't really bother me...try playing DR). There are others who run some half assed script they threw together in stormfront while high off of peyote that can't seem to notice me, my disk, and my animal companion and a pile of arrows on the ground...they zoom around doing odd things they pick up boxes you are dragging...not to mention this guy is just begging for another provoke nerf.

[Yasutoshi]

Just to throw this out there. I don't have any problems with scripting in general. I wrote smarthunt, smartmonk, smartsorcerer, and smartcleric, many which are sitting on the repo and fully explained in the lich subsection of the forum here. But, a group of these are combat scripts for use while at the keyboard, and only smarthunt is a wrapper script that can be used while at the keyboard or away from the keyboard. The scripts are intelligent in that you can make them go fast or slow. If slow, there is considerable pause when navigating rooms. The script knows whether you are hunting live monsters, undead monsters, both, etc. It knows when a player is in the room and when to bypass it.

Do I personally care if someone scripts or multiboxes? No.

When they do it with the grace of half-assed monkey with its toes cut off and cause problems for others, and then duplicate that by the power of 11, yeah.. I pretty much think it is time to report them.

[Allereli]

so have you written to feedback or posted on the officials?

[Yasutoshi]

so have you written to feedback or posted on the officials?

I just did two reports - two different days - and only when he was really causing problems. I'm not going to report him anymore though. They know about him. It's up to them on whether or not they care or don't care what he's doing. I'll be out of that area soon enough.

[Allereli]

I just did two reports - two different days - and only when he was really causing problems. I'm not going to report him anymore though. They know about him. It's up to them on whether or not they care or don't care what he's doing. I'll be out of that area soon enough.

reports don't do much besides bother the GMs logged on in the background and give an initial indication that something is wrong. if you really want it dealt with, officials and feedback are the way to go.

[Tenlaar]

Those two things are what separate a good script (and scripter) from a dick.

The number of characters in a group with disks is half of what separates a good script(er) from a dick? Really? I think you are grasping at absolutely anything you possibly can to prove they are some terrible person.

This thread should have started "This guy looted my kill!" because other than that it's a bunch of people bitching about somebody who isn't breaking rules. Get the fuck over it.

[Buckwheet]

So let's say this was happening in Bowels. Its okay now because you are above the 35th level?

I loved when Sabreon was in OTF. It actually made it a challenge and even then not so much.

Provoke is causing some of the swarm but also the group's size is as well. You probably would be having issues even without provoke. So you need a better excuse.

He kills your shit and loots it and spams the area with movement. Everything is within game guidelines.

[Mobius1]

The old Sabreon was a blight to OTF, and it's wonderful that more people can hunt there now.

I don't care if the swarms are better for a small handful of people. For many, they are a bad thing, and can completely ruin your ability to hunt in the area.

When someone else disrupts my ability to hunt, I think it's reasonable to complain. And the same goes for the OP.

[Taernath]

I disagree, you're putting the onus on the wrong person regardless.

The onus of what, exactly? If he sets loot options (which I really don't know why he hasn't already) and squelches, half his problems vanish immediately. This is a multiplayer game. Sometimes you need to adjust your play style around others, particularly if the GMs have apparently already investigated and found nothing wrong with the situation.

[Johnny Five]

Someone should use that monk spell in the south scatter, that would be amazing.

[ZeP]

The old Sabreon was a blight to OTF, and it's wonderful that more people can hunt there now.

I don't care if the swarms are better for a small handful of people. For many, they are a bad thing, and can completely ruin your ability to hunt in the area.

When someone else disrupts my ability to hunt, I think it's reasonable to complain. And the same goes for the OP.

Oh my god this is so weak.

[Buckwheet]

The old Sabreon was a blight to OTF, and it's wonderful that more people can hunt there now.

I don't care if the swarms are better for a small handful of people. For many, they are a bad thing, and can completely ruin your ability to hunt in the area.

When someone else disrupts my ability to hunt, I think it's reasonable to complain. And the same goes for the OP.

More people in an area is the same thing as Sabreon playing. If 10 more people are in the hunting area at a time it still causes monster generation to go up and if there is a solo monk using provoke there is no difference.

[Laviticas]

Damn MA'rs and them sending money to SIMU.

[subzero]

Scripting disruptively, afk or not is against the rules. Ala, stealing the loot that he would get from the creatures he has killed, spamming the shit out of his room while he's wandering around by an excessively fast wandering mechanism, etc.

I'm not going to get into this tangent again. Instead, I'll let you ponder the fact that he's been reported, apparently several times, and is still doing his thing.

[subzero]

The onus of what, exactly? If he sets loot options (which I really don't know why he hasn't already) and squelches, half his problems vanish immediately. This is a multiplayer game. Sometimes you need to adjust your play style around others, particularly if the GMs have apparently already investigated and found nothing wrong with the situation.

Oh, no you diin't! In Gemstone, you play the way the other little bitches want you to.

[Elantari]

Sounds like the game is doing just fine. Nothing to see here folks. Oh, and Banthal always has been a moron. He might be ever so slightly less of a moron than Parkbandit, but it's close.

[gs4-PauperSid]

I think song of mirrors should also up critter gen rate just like the monk spell since many mirror images of the bard appear. Maybe the powers that be could unlock the ability right about the time when pure bard sonic disruption song becomes viable. :)


...

I don't mind scripting. I do mind the afk scripters, i dont mind folks reporting suspected ones. Like others mentioned, the loot flag option seems reasonable. The excessive scroll argument/increased gen/too high of spells for a given area, not so much.

[Yasutoshi]

Well I haven't seen him or his 11 member group on in the last 24-hours. So, food for thought.

[m444w]

Oh, no you diin't! In Gemstone, you play the way the other little bitches want you to.

Yeah, stupid little bitches demanding like people to not be dbags and disrupt game play for others. Next they'll be telling us we cant like meteor swarm town, blare my music however loud I want in the middle of the night and shit like that.

[Tenlaar]

Yeah, stupid little bitches demanding like people to not be dbags and disrupt game play for others.

If three capped members of a MHO decide to organize group hunts in that area for eight younger members every day of the week, would you be in here complaining about how they are dbags and disrupt game play for others with their actions?

[Yasutoshi]

If three capped members of a MHO decide to organize group hunts in that area for eight younger members every day of the week, would you be in here complaining about how they are dbags and disrupt game play for others with their actions?

This was 1 Dbag with 11 characters who had zero consideration of others. You are comparing this to an MHO hunt (which probably would be announced)? An MHO organized rally would probably be very considerate, ask other people in the nearby area if they would like to join, etc. You reach any further, and your hand might even be up my ass.

[Buckwheet]

This was 1 Dbag with 11 characters who had zero consideration of others. You are comparing this to an MHO hunt (which probably would be announced)? An MHO organized rally would probably be very considerate, ask other people in the nearby area if they would like to join, etc. You reach any further, and your hand might even be up my ass.

Would this have been a problem if they did what I suggested? Camp one room and not move? Keeping in mind that with or without provoke you would be subject to swarms.

[m444w]

If three capped members of a MHO decide to organize group hunts in that area for eight younger members every day of the week, would you be in here complaining about how they are dbags and disrupt game play for others with their actions?

Depends. Are they running a wander script that causes more screen scroll than my combat?

If so I don't care if they are giving away silver like Robin Hood and his merry band of men.

The onus is not on a player to handle disruptive behavior, that's what we pay Simutronics to enforce. I'm sure it isn't a coincidence that he hasn't been around doing his asshattery recently, GMs read these boards too after all

[Taernath]

Depends. Are they running a wander script that causes more screen scroll than my combat?

It takes seconds to squelch him and make that problem literally disappear. At this point I think you're trying to be inconvenienced.

[subzero]

Yeah, stupid little bitches demanding like people to not be dbags and disrupt game play for others. Next they'll be telling us we cant like meteor swarm town, blare my music however loud I want in the middle of the night and shit like that.

Yeah, I know. Those disruptive lines of text are so horrible. Poor you.


If three capped members of a MHO decide to organize group hunts in that area for eight younger members every day of the week, would you be in here complaining about how they are dbags and disrupt game play for others with their actions?

Of course he wouldn't. Those lines of text are alright because it's not one person scripting a bunch of people, which this dude has seemingly deemed disruptive. It's amazing to me how many of us were here during the days of 2k peaks on AOL and now can't handle the lines of text in a game with, what, roughly 300 people at peak?


It takes seconds to squelch him and make that problem literally disappear. At this point I think you're trying to be inconvenienced.

Well, that's not his job. The GMs are supposed to suspend/ban these disruptive players!

[Methais]

It's amazing to me how many of us were here during the days of 2k peaks on AOL and now can't handle the lines of text in a game with, what, roughly 300 people at peak?

I remember there being 482938299 people hunting zombies in the Landing back then and it being a massive pain in the ass to find one that someone else wasn't already fighting.

I dealt with it or moved to a different area. There were always plenty of options on where to hunt for most if not all level ranges, and this was back before EN and Solhaven existed.

I miss the RR boot.


He was being disruptive moving 11 characters between a small amount of rooms with disks and creating tons of spam.

I'm a little confused about why this is a problem, because even if he had 500 characters in his group, you still wouldn't see anything more than:

Someone's group just arrived.

Someone's group just went west.

And you don't see other peoples' disks entering or exiting rooms.

I'm curious why you consider any of that as disruptive.

[Methais]

I wish I didn't hate EN so much, because OTF was awesome when Sabreon was around.

I know some classes aren't very well equipped to deal with swarms and my class excels at it, so there's that, but wiping out a huge swarm with 518 or rapid fire immolate is tons of fun. Same when Earnor has his crew up in Nelemar, which is even better since there's no annoying fade mechanic like in OTF.

A cast of rapid fire or haste can turn pretty much any class into a swarm killer though. Especially classes like clerics and sorcerers that have effective low cost spells like 302/702. Haste imbeds are easy enough to get, and rapid fire, while not imbeddable, can be stacked if you manage to find a wizard that feels like doing it.

I need a capped monk to come to Nelemar and use provoke all day. I know nothing about monks, and never knew of the spell until this thread and now I want it to help satisfy my eboner.

[subzero]

I remember there being 482938299 people hunting zombies in the Landing back then and it being a massive pain in the ass to find one that someone else wasn't already fighting.

I dealt with it or moved to a different area. There were always plenty of options on where to hunt for most if not all level ranges, and this was back before EN and Solhaven existed.

I miss the RR boot.


Exactly. Less room, more people, fucking dial-up connections. Everyone survived just fine back then, but I guess people are far too special these days to just accept something they don't like in their game and deal with it in ways that are readily available without being a bitch.

[Methais]

Oh yeah, can't forget about being on dial up with a 2 second or so lag on every command on a good day.

[Taernath]

Oh yeah, can't forget about being on dial up with a 2 second or so lag on every command on a good day.

Back when the type ahead line was almost a necessity.

[Gelston]

Lol, I remember reading a guide where someone said "And for those of you with those 28.8 super modems, try to slow down a little bit when moving around. Give everyone a chance to get kills!"

[Elantari]

Paying to script, not play. The new Gemstone. Sounds awesome.

[subzero]

Paying to script, not play. The new Gemstone. Sounds awesome.

Why do you care how or why someone else plays?

[Methais]

Paying to script, not play. The new Gemstone. Sounds awesome.

I script to get place to place.

I macro all of my pwnage.

You suck at GS.

You suck at not playing GS.

You suck at trolling.

You suck at life.

[Elantari]

I script to get place to place.

I macro all of my pwnage.

You suck at GS.

You suck at not playing GS.

You suck at trolling.

You suck at life.

That was convincing. Do you get paid to be so persuasive? Or does it just come naturally to you?

[JackWhisper]

Don't mind Elantari. He misses his boyfriend Gelston. He's due for an o-ring blowout from Gelston's tuna can cock right about now. No-lube. Bare-back. Man-love. Straight buttfucking. Go Elantari you smexy bitch.

[Methais]

That was convincing. Do you get paid to be so persuasive? Or does it just come naturally to you?

I get paid BECAUSE it comes naturally.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Good-at-something-The-Joker-Dark-Knight.gif

[whiteflash]

Someone should use that monk spell in the south scatter, that would be amazing.

We keep asking one to come do that, no takers so far!

[Candor]

I loved when Sabreon was in OTF. It actually made it a challenge and even then not so much.

I could hunt OTF with Sabreon's hoard running around, but if there was a couple other 3-4 person groups there as well, it became pretty impossible for my capped rogue with near triple stalking/hiding skills.

In fairness, Sabreon would always help characters who got themselves killed.

[GuildRat]

I could hunt OTF with Sabreon's hoard running around, but if there was a couple other 3-4 person groups there as well, it became pretty impossible for my capped rogue with near triple stalking/hiding skills.

In fairness, Sabreon would always help characters who got themselves killed.

There was a hidden agenda to that....he had a capped cleric to get experience for. No doubt he tried to be civil about it, but let's not toss props when they aren't deserved.

[Hightower]

Paying to script, not play. The new Gemstone. Sounds awesome.

I assume you're referring to AFK scripters who bot through the game. I agree. It seems pointless to me. Having said that, why do people find it so difficult to ignore? When I think back to the "glory" days, I remember far more blatant OOC pretty much everywhere you went. It occurs to me that one reason I don't see much of that today might be because the people who don't appreciate the RP aspect of the game are all AFK most of the time. Do you really want to force them to be at the keyboard, where they'll probably be far more annoying? I'd rather they just pay their subscription and keep out of my way.

I script like mad, but I don't do full automation (bigshot) and I'm always at the keyboard. RP is important to me and my one and only character has been more of a joy to play than any of my characters from the "good ol' days". If you ask me, GS is better than ever. Lich allows me to script the more tedious parts of the game, saving time to do what I want to do. I also don't get burnt out as quickly.

~Taverkin

[kutter]

I assume you're referring to AFK scripters who bot through the game. I agree. It seems pointless to me. Having said that, why do people find it so difficult to ignore? When I think back to the "glory" days, I remember far more blatant OOC pretty much everywhere you went. It occurs to me that one reason I don't see much of that today might be because the people who don't appreciate the RP aspect of the game are all AFK most of the time. Do you really want to force them to be at the keyboard, where they'll probably be far more annoying? I'd rather they just pay their subscription and keep out of my way.

I script like mad, but I don't do full automation (bigshot) and I'm always at the keyboard. RP is important to me and my one and only character has been more of a joy to play than any of my characters from the "good ol' days". If you ask me, GS is better than ever. Lich allows me to script the more tedious parts of the game, saving time to do what I want to do. I also don't get burnt out as quickly.

~Taverkin

I would say I agree with most of your assertions, the thing I find annoying about the bigshotters is that they pillage a hunting area repeatedly and it has an adverse effect on the treasure system, this is especially true when you get the group hunting. For a while someone was scripting a group in forest trali and shaman and it was downright crazy to go into with all the critters that would spawn. I suppose that is how it was with Sabreon in OTF before he left. I have been in areas where they were prevalent and hunted till I was fried and come out with a couple of minor gems and a few hundred silver. Other than that, I just ignore them.

[Luntz]

For a while someone was scripting a group in forest trali and shaman and it was downright crazy to go into with all the critters that would spawn.

Was it about a month, month and a half ago? That was the dude this thread is about and his group, I was there and had to switch hunting grounds because of his lame ass.

[Tenlaar]

the thing I find annoying about the bigshotters is that they pillage a hunting area repeatedly and it has an adverse effect on the treasure system

This also only applies to people who AFK hunt for extended periods. Somebody who uses bigshot to fry three or four times an hour for a few hours has no more effect than somebody who manually fries three or four times an hour for a few hours.

[kutter]

Was it about a month, month and a half ago? That was the dude this thread is about and his group, I was there and had to switch hunting grounds because of his lame ass.

It was about that time frame. It was way to sporty trying to hunt in there, what with 3 shaman in a room casting weed, just a little to exciting.


This also only applies to people who AFK hunt for extended periods. Somebody who uses bigshot to fry three or four times an hour for a few hours has no more effect than somebody who manually fries three or four times an hour for a few hours.

You are completely correct, if used properly, bigshot is completely transparent.

[Candor]

I assume you're referring to AFK scripters who bot through the game. I agree. It seems pointless to me. Having said that, why do people find it so difficult to ignore?

Use a script that recognizes that a disk means that another character may be in the room (IE you don't attack creatures or take anything on the ground), and I'm fine with people scripting.

Don't use a script with that capability, and I have a big problem with the scripting character.

Simple enough, and yet there are a few scripters out there who don't seem to understand the concept.

[subzero]

I would say I agree with most of your assertions, the thing I find annoying about the bigshotters is that they pillage a hunting area repeatedly and it has an adverse effect on the treasure system, this is especially true when you get the group hunting.

That's a flaw in the treasure system. The place can be manually hunted down the same way, so lets not blame a shitty system on scripters.

[Elantari]

I assume you're referring to AFK scripters who bot through the game. I agree. It seems pointless to me. Having said that, why do people find it so difficult to ignore? When I think back to the "glory" days, I remember far more blatant OOC pretty much everywhere you went. It occurs to me that one reason I don't see much of that today might be because the people who don't appreciate the RP aspect of the game are all AFK most of the time. Do you really want to force them to be at the keyboard, where they'll probably be far more annoying? I'd rather they just pay their subscription and keep out of my way.

I script like mad, but I don't do full automation (bigshot) and I'm always at the keyboard. RP is important to me and my one and only character has been more of a joy to play than any of my characters from the "good ol' days". If you ask me, GS is better than ever. Lich allows me to script the more tedious parts of the game, saving time to do what I want to do. I also don't get burnt out as quickly.

~Taverkin

Thoughtful responses warrant thoughtful replies. I tend to respond in kind. If you're an immature dicklet who wants to trade insults, I'll do that with you. If you have something worth saying, I'll respond in kind. And thanks for having something worth saying.

It looks to me as if scripting is rampant everywhere. Gemstone is, of course, ideally suited to being scripted. You suggest they should just be ignored. But why isn't this immersion breaking? Don't you find running into AFK scripters to be immersion breaking?

What about from your own point of view? Look, I watched the development of PsiNet and Lich and various other scripting systems. I considered most of them to be immersion breaking, though I have to admit I liked faster travel. But things appear to have progressed to the point at which everybody is scripting (even if not always AFK). The new game appears to be much more about scripting the game than anything else. If you don't meta-game by scripting heavily and working with other scripters, you'll just suck.

One problem Gemstone always had was that roleplayers tended to lag behind everyone else in terms of character power development. You might want to have nice stats and abilities, and that might suit your roleplay, but if you roleplayed, then you tended to miss out on XP. The obnoxious little OOC script-kiddies, on the other hand, came to dominate the game in terms of power. So now, the solution is to script all your XP'ing and roleplay while you aren't meta-gaming and managing various scripts and scripting platforms? How is managing all these scripts and so on not immersion breaking for you?

Suppose you die. Someone pops up to script-rez you. Then three other scripters pop up to script-rez you. Isn't that immersion breaking? And if you don't take the script-rez, you gimp yourself, since everybody else is taking it. How can you ignore that?

[Elantari]

That's a flaw in the treasure system. The place can be manually hunted down the same way, so lets not blame a shitty system on scripters.

Can we blame the death of Gemstone on scripters? I think we can.

[Buckwheet]

Can we blame the death of Gemstone on scripters? I think we can.

No.

[Elantari]

No.

Yes.

[Buckwheet]

Yes.

Your statement is based on a false assumption. Gemstone isn't dead.

[subzero]

Suppose you die. Someone pops up to script-rez you. Then three other scripters pop up to script-rez you. Isn't that immersion breaking? And if you don't take the script-rez, you gimp yourself, since everybody else is taking it. How can you ignore that?

That sounds a whole lot different than having three or four people just fog to you manually in a race to grab you before the other clerics or empaths like the good ole days... oh... uh, nevermind.


Can we blame the death of Gemstone on scripters? I think we can.

You can blame it on whatever you want, but I'd have to say you're wrong. I'd say some of the bigger issues are being an outdated type of game (text-based MUD in a graphic-based world), the whole staff/management/development situation, and a price structure that is stuck in the 90s. At the end of the day, no matter what they do, the MUD demographic just isn't going to be large anymore. Blaming the 'death' of Gemstone on scripters is like blaming the death of a tree on the monkey that used to sit on its branches.

[waywardgs]

Can we blame the death of Gemstone on scripters? I think we can.

I wonder how many folks would walk if it weren't for lich.

[Velfi]

I wonder how many folks would walk if it weren't for lich.

I started at the end of 2011, and I can tell you for a fact I wouldn't have lasted long into 2012 without someone thankfully telling me about lich.

[Tenlaar]

Right now, 281 of the 292 people logged into GS are connected through Lich. You're not going to find much support for Lich or script bashing 'round hurr.

[Whirlin]

Thoughtful responses warrant thoughtful replies. I tend to respond in kind. If you're an immature dicklet who wants to trade insults, I'll do that with you. If you have something worth saying, I'll respond in kind. And thanks for having something worth saying.

It looks to me as if scripting is rampant everywhere. Gemstone is, of course, ideally suited to being scripted. You suggest they should just be ignored. But why isn't this immersion breaking? Don't you find running into AFK scripters to be immersion breaking?

What about from your own point of view? Look, I watched the development of PsiNet and Lich and various other scripting systems. I considered most of them to be immersion breaking, though I have to admit I liked faster travel. But things appear to have progressed to the point at which everybody is scripting (even if not always AFK). The new game appears to be much more about scripting the game than anything else. If you don't meta-game by scripting heavily and working with other scripters, you'll just suck.

One problem Gemstone always had was that roleplayers tended to lag behind everyone else in terms of character power development. You might want to have nice stats and abilities, and that might suit your roleplay, but if you roleplayed, then you tended to miss out on XP. The obnoxious little OOC script-kiddies, on the other hand, came to dominate the game in terms of power. So now, the solution is to script all your XP'ing and roleplay while you aren't meta-gaming and managing various scripts and scripting platforms? How is managing all these scripts and so on not immersion breaking for you?

Suppose you die. Someone pops up to script-rez you. Then three other scripters pop up to script-rez you. Isn't that immersion breaking? And if you don't take the script-rez, you gimp yourself, since everybody else is taking it. How can you ignore that?

That's cute... it's almost as though you think your opinion is worth a shit.

[Elantari]

That sounds a whole lot different than having three or four people just fog to you manually in a race to grab you before the other clerics or empaths like the good ole days... oh... uh, nevermind.

That shit sucked too. But it did suck less than script-foggers. I guess you new little noobish script-kiddies are so used to the scripting meta-game that it seems normal to you?


You can blame it on whatever you want, but I'd have to say you're wrong. I'd say some of the bigger issues are being an outdated type of game (text-based MUD in a graphic-based world), the whole staff/management/development situation, and a price structure that is stuck in the 90s. At the end of the day, no matter what they do, the MUD demographic just isn't going to be large anymore.

I'm happy to blame the death of Gemstone on several of these issues. I never said that scripters are ENTIRELY to blame for the death of Gemstone. It's more complicated than that. The moronic price structure is a significant part of the problem. Please say more about the staff/management/developmenet situation. I'd be interested to hear what you think about that.

[Velfi]

http://i.imgur.com/Wm0EVFV.jpg

[Tenlaar]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ae1ZRrrjs8c/Th0rz7ZvogI/AAAAAAAAANU/QM2WW-LNZXY/s1600/original.jpg

[subzero]

That shit sucked too. But it did suck less than script-foggers. I guess you new little noobish script-kiddies are so used to the scripting meta-game that it seems normal to you?

What the hell is the difference? For all your talk about immersion breaking, you seem to be using a lot of OOC knowledge to allow this to bother you. Four people fogging or scripting to you all looks the same in game.


Please say more about the staff/management/developmenet situation. I'd be interested to hear what you think about that.

Volunteers pulled from a fairly stagnant pool of players. You're going to run out of quality at some point and I think they've hit that wall a long time ago. Due to the volunteer nature of things and their retarded method of deciding what gets done (pretty sure a lot of it is based on what the particular GMs are interested in vs what is best for the game), things are often ignored, delayed, or half-finished and forgotten by new GMs when previous people working on a project leave (not to mention the whole, "I can't do X with Y's code"; whatever the reason, don't understand it, no permission, etc). The development cycle is extremely slow. I imagine these things could easily be fixed with good management and possibly paying some devs.

[Elantari]

That's cute... it's almost as though you think your opinion is worth a shit.

Hi. Thanks for vomiting up your diarrhea for my persual. I appreciate the time and effort it took you to shit liquid out of your mouth. I recommend you mix 1 tbsp. of bleach with one gallon of water and swish thoroughly to clear the E. coli. that's now growing in your mouth and throat.

[Elantari]

Volunteers pulled from a fairly stagnant pool of players. You're going to run out of quality at some point and I think they've hit that wall a long time ago. Due to the volunteer nature of things and their retarded method of deciding what gets done (pretty sure a lot of it is based on what the particular GMs are interested in vs what is best for the game), things are often ignored, delayed, or half-finished and forgotten by new GMs when previous people working on a project leave (not to mention the whole, "I can't do X with Y's code"; whatever the reason, don't understand it, no permission, etc). The development cycle is extremely slow. I imagine these things could easily be fixed with good management and possibly paying some devs.

So where is the money going? WhatFuckley's new NSX tires?

[SHAFT]

Your statement is based on a false assumption. Gemstone isn't dead.

I concur with Mr. Wheet.

[subzero]

So where is the money going? WhatFuckley's new NSX tires?

Not into development of Gemstone.

[Methais]

If you don't meta-game by scripting heavily and working with other scripters, you'll just suck.

This is a bullshit statement. Either that or I just rule too much for this game to handle.

Other than travel scripts, the most complex hunting script I use is one that casts my attack spell and then runs ;sloot3.

And half the time I don't even use that because spamming "incant 519/r loot/r" with rapid fire up is way faster.

[Stabbyrogue]

Jesus Motherfucking Christ. First time back on the boards or even thinking about GS in about two years. Thank you, thread, for reminding me how douchebaggish the GS playerbase generally is.

The guy scripting like an asshole, the guy whining about how he's scripting yet pointing out facts that don't even matter, and most of all, the people in this thread who, somehow, I forgot annoyed the living shit out of me because they're so sure they know how this game should be played.

The game is dying (or has died?) because nearly everyone is out for themselves and doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone else's playing experience. Everyone thinks they know more than the next person, and they come wave their dicks around here on this board, only to confirm what an absolute self-assuring over confident fuckwad they really are.

Fuck off,

Jason

[Methais]

Jesus Motherfucking Christ. First time back on the boards or even thinking about GS in about two years. Thank you, thread, for reminding me how douchebaggish the GS playerbase generally is.

The guy scripting like an asshole, the guy whining about how he's scripting yet pointing out facts that don't even matter, and most of all, the people in this thread who, somehow, I forgot annoyed the living shit out of me because they're so sure they know how this game should be played.

The game is dying (or has died?) because nearly everyone is out for themselves and doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone else's playing experience. Everyone thinks they know more than the next person, and they come wave their dicks around here on this board, only to confirm what an absolute self-assuring over confident fuckwad they really are.

Fuck off,

Jason

If everyone played GS the way I do, it would be a better place.

[Tenlaar]

Jesus Motherfucking Christ. First time back on the boards or even thinking about GS in about two years. Thank you, thread, for reminding me how douchebaggish the GS playerbase generally is.

The guy scripting like an asshole, the guy whining about how he's scripting yet pointing out facts that don't even matter, and most of all, the people in this thread who, somehow, I forgot annoyed the living shit out of me because they're so sure they know how this game should be played.

The game is dying (or has died?) because nearly everyone is out for themselves and doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone else's playing experience. Everyone thinks they know more than the next person, and they come wave their dicks around here on this board, only to confirm what an absolute self-assuring over confident fuckwad they really are.

Fuck off,

Jason

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[Viekn]

Couple things to consider here...

Are there a ton of trolls on this board? Yes. Are there a bunch of others on this board who genuinely do care about the game experience? Yes. But I also know a shit ton of other people who play this game and care about it and don't come close to ever posting on these boards. Everything here must be taken with a grain of salt.

[Methais]

If you're not trolling, you're using this forum wrong.

[Elantari]

If you're not trolling, you're using this forum wrong.

This man is a good little forumtard. Pay attention to him, folks. He knows what's up (and it ain't his dicklet).

[FlayedAngel]

Jesus Motherfucking Christ. First time back on the boards or even thinking about GS in about two years. Thank you, thread, for reminding me how douchebaggish the GS playerbase generally is.

The guy scripting like an asshole, the guy whining about how he's scripting yet pointing out facts that don't even matter, and most of all, the people in this thread who, somehow, I forgot annoyed the living shit out of me because they're so sure they know how this game should be played.

The game is dying (or has died?) because nearly everyone is out for themselves and doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone else's playing experience. Everyone thinks they know more than the next person, and they come wave their dicks around here on this board, only to confirm what an absolute self-assuring over confident fuckwad they really are.

Fuck off,

Jason
Yeah, I would not take this forum -- or even this thread -- as being exemplary of anything GS-related.

[Hightower]

I think it's a matter of perspective. You seem very concerned with what others are as a condition of your enjoyment. I just don't see it that way so much. When i encounter ooc i just ignore it. My immersion is contingent upon me.

Of course as a player i reCognize what is going on. I just let it slide and keep on playing the game my way.

Edit: To clarify:

First, that GS is not and never was a RP utopia. The point being that if your base expectation is unreasonable, you will likely find yourself disappointed regardless of whether or not the state of the game has improved in relation to your point of reference in actuality.

Second, that our perception of any aspect of what we term "reality" is imperfect. I observe the same behaviors you do in the game. I simply process them differently, thus their impact on my ability to enjoy the game is vastly different from yours. The reality in both cases is exactly the same (minus our differing experiences, of course!). It's our perception of that reality and how we choose to react to it that governs the impact on ourselves.

I am not suggesting that, as essentially actors on a stage, we are completely independent of other players for our enjoyment. What I'm saying is that if you could quantify how much focus you apply to the OOC/scripters vs. the roleplayers, I think the proof is in the pudding, so to speak. By your own admission you view the game as "dying" while I see the exact same game and observe that it's never been better. How can we be playing the same game? The answer is that I have chosen to assign far less significance to these players who I view as largely irrelevant. On the other hand, those I choose to have worthwhile interactions are absolutely critical to my enjoyment of the game. If I had to quantify it, the positive interactions register a 90% vs. maybe 10% for the OOC nonsense. Where would you say you fall along that spread?

~Taverkin