luck song and mobility question

[gilchristr]

Regarding these spells, take a look at this thread... I have quoted the relevant portion.

"Bonuses for either the attacker or defender having the Mobility and/or Lucksong spells active have been added."
http://forum.gsplayers.com/archive/index.php/t-5310.html


While it is common knowledge that both of these spells help defend against maneuvers, I think this quote is saying that they also help your CMAN sweep, trip, charge, etc attempts against mobs. Now, with mobility I have tested it and found that to be true. I recall see 6-8 improvement in the difference between my roll result and my d100 roll when mobility is active vs. when mobility is not active.

Now, with lucksong, I have never seen the "you feel very lucky" message when using CMANs. However, because a GM post said there was an effect, and because I have observed an effect with mobility, I would guess that there is some effect.

Having said all that, anyone out there know more about this subject? Just curious about it, thanks!

[Whirlin]

I saw the "You feel very Lucky" on a CMAN Charge last night. I'll see if I have auto-logs enabled on my bard, and pull it up if I can and if I remember. Was the first time I'd seen it, although I don't CMAN too often.

[Skip]

Regarding these spells, take a look at this thread... I have quoted the relevant portion.

"Bonuses for either the attacker or defender having the Mobility and/or Lucksong spells active have been added."
http://forum.gsplayers.com/archive/index.php/t-5310.html




Just for some anecdotal evidence, I have seen the lucky messaging while using cman charge and cman trip. On the defensive side it kicks in on a lot of critter maneuvers. but it might be interesting to see if it kicks in on all creature maneuvers/cman's or just a specific set.

[Anebriated]

I dont use any offensive CMAN's but it definitely triggers defensively even with no points in the CMAN being used. I believe the difference between the two is that mobility adds a straight bonus where luck song by definition gives the user a chance to proc a second roll(You feel very lucky). You wont notice it adding to your d100 for that reason(it doesn't).

[gilchristr]

Thanks. Guess I didn't stick with it long enough when testing (I thought I made enough sweep attempts to see it, but I guess we were really unlucky w.r.t. lucksong [the bard was very young at the time]).

I did some side calculations, and I think if I have an 80% chance of success on a sweep, and I get a second roll, the chance that at least one of the rolls while be a success is 94%. That is a big increase in chance of success, in my mind (the ranger version applied every time but from my memory only added a small amount, like 6-8, or so).

[droit]

Just as an aside, mobility only adds to your defensive CML if you are under 2x in CM. Your total bonus won't ever be above that of 2x CM.

[Thondalar]

Just as an aside, mobility only adds to your defensive CML if you are under 2x in CM. Your total bonus won't ever be above that of 2x CM.

pfft...like you know anything about ranger spells. I say again...pfft.

[droit]

pfft...like you know anything about ranger spells. I say again...pfft.

I think you have an air leak.

[Anebriated]

Thanks. Guess I didn't stick with it long enough when testing (I thought I made enough sweep attempts to see it, but I guess we were really unlucky w.r.t. lucksong [the bard was very young at the time]).

I did some side calculations, and I think if I have an 80% chance of success on a sweep, and I get a second roll, the chance that at least one of the rolls while be a success is 94%. That is a big increase in chance of success, in my mind (the ranger version applied every time but from my memory only added a small amount, like 6-8, or so).

having a properly trained bard and one old enough to have actually focused on bard ranks is definitely a key to this study. Using a young bard probably wont give you any real results at all.

[gilchristr]

Ok, just to share with others in case there is someone else wondering about this - tried again with a bard that has 14 spell songs and we definitely got the messaging on our feints, sweeps, and dirtkicks.

Both of us got the messaging (there was some time where I was wondering of the ability was self only as the bard kept reporting the messaging and I did not - then suddenly I started getting the messaging too...)