NFL Draft 2014

[cwolff]

Who's going where?

Texans need a QB more than they need Jadaveon Clowney. I'd be worried about Clowney and Watt together. They sound cool about it but those are two big egos in the same D huddle and as they learned last year, you win and lose with QB's. They've sounded lukewarm on Manziel compared to other teams but that can be gamesmanship.

[cwolff]

Browns trade up for Justin Gilbert! WTF They're considering Vince Young this season.

[SHAFT]

Browns trade up for Justin Gilbert! WTF They're considering Vince Young this season.

If anything it'd be hoyer. Lots of qb's left to get too.

[cwolff]

If anything it'd be hoyer. Lots of qb's left to get too.

I had too google Hoyer. That's what I'm talking about.

There is one thing about it that I'm ok with. The Browns have ruined a lot of prime draft picks at QB.

[SHAFT]

Hoyer played really well last year before he got hurt. I doubt there is a qb better than hoyer in this draft.

[cwolff]

Hoyer played really well last year before he got hurt. I doubt there is a qb better than hoyer in this draft.

That's good news. I'm from Cleveland and have soured on seeing them be so bad for so long.

Where do you think Manziel will go? I think the Cowboys will take him if he's available and I'm not sure who between this pick and the Cowboys want him.

[SHAFT]

The cowboys just gave romo a monster contract. I can't imagine they'd bring manziel in. It'll only cause confusion. The cowboys should go DE or CB.

Manziel might slip to ARI, and if he gets past that possibly to CLE. I'm not a huge fan of Manziel. I'd rather have bridgewater.

[Thondalar]

The cowboys just gave romo a monster contract. I can't imagine they'd bring manziel in. It'll only cause confusion. The cowboys should go DE or CB.

Manziel might slip to ARI, and if he gets past that possibly to CLE. I'm not a huge fan of Manziel. I'd rather have bridgewater.

I don't think Bridgewater is smart enough to be an NFL QB. Physical attributes are above average, but I think pro defenses will eat him alive. With that said, I think Manziel is RG3 2.0...he's gonna get folded up like a cheap suit a couple times by these 250-pound linebackers and get scared.

[Thondalar]

Hoyer played really well last year before he got hurt. I doubt there is a qb better than hoyer in this draft.

Carr. I think he's the best in the draft. We'll see.

[cwolff]

It's a gamble. He'll put people in the seats but I think of him more like Tebow 2.0. Manziel's definintely getting humbled right now. Time will tell if it makes him better for it.

[SHAFT]

Really? I watched bridgewater on espn last week and he seemed pretty bright , down to earth. I thought he carried himself well. Manziel is douche bag. I hope he sits until Saturday.

The cowboys should go with Clinton-Dix.

[cwolff]

Ok, I like this pick. Shazier to Pittsburgh. He's a gamer.

[Thondalar]

Really? I watched bridgewater on espn last week and he seemed pretty bright , down to earth. I thought he carried himself well. Manziel is douche bag. I hope he sits until Saturday.

The cowboys should go with Clinton-Dix.

Not saying he's a neanderthal, but it takes a special sort of logic to keep up with modern NFL defenses. Bridgewater is known for spreading the ball around a lot, his 3rd and 4th checkdowns get the ball more than those in other programs...this could be because he's making smart choices, or it could be because he's completely confused by the defense and sticking with his safety blanket...again, it's just speculation on my part. But watching his film, I'm leaning more towards the latter.

[cwolff]

Any chance Manziel can go in the 2nd round? They were speculating about that on local radio the other day. I feel bad for the guy. He looks like shit on T.V. and is drinking a ton of water.

[SHAFT]

Any chance Manziel can go in the 2nd round? They were speculating about that on local radio the other day. I feel bad for the guy. He looks like shit on T.V. and is drinking a ton of water.

Of course he could. Or Arizona or Cleveland snatches him up.

The jets should go WR here. Lee or cooks.

[Thondalar]

Not sure what to think about my team's (Giants) first pick...like Boomer was saying, during our last 2 Superbowls we had an absolutely fabulous Line on both sides of the ball, and a good argument could be made that that won the games for us...right now, they're both kind of in disarray. I know we got rid of Nicks, but I'm not sure drafting a short WR to replace him was the right move. Our offensive line is shit right now, there were quite a few really good linemen still on the board. Hell, at pick 12 only 1 had been taken so far, by my count.

[cwolff]

They're calling this Manzieling.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnKNWL8CcAAjwqX.jpg

[SHAFT]

Before there was manziel there was Aaron Rodgers, Brady Quinn, geno smith....

All of them sat for longer than expected.

[cwolff]

Before there was manziel there was Aaron Rodgers, Brady Quinn, geno smith....

All of them sat for longer than expected.

And Dan Marino.

[cwolff]

Manziel doesn't look happy with this pick.

[Thondalar]

And Dan Marino.

Yeah, but the 1983 draft was fucking amazing for QBs. Best in the history of the game, imo.

[Thondalar]

Before there was manziel there was Aaron Rodgers, Brady Quinn, geno smith....

All of them sat for longer than expected.

Only one of them is worth a shit, so...

[cwolff]

Yeah, but the 1983 draft was fucking amazing for QBs. Best in the history of the game, imo.

Did you see the 30 for 30 on that draft. It's a good program. I am bummed that Marino didn't go to Pittsburgh. I wonder what he would have done there.

[Thondalar]

Did you see the 30 for 30 on that draft. It's a good program. I am bummed that Marino didn't go to Pittsburgh. I wonder what he would have done there.

No, I didn't...need to check that out. Besides 4 HoF QB's in the first round, also had what...Eric Dickerson, Bruce Matthews, Leonard Marshall....lotta great players.

[SHAFT]

Only one of them is worth a shit, so...

Really? I was pointing out he wasn't the first qb to slide in he first round.

[Gompers]

You guys think Texans are taking Bridgewater in the 2nd?

[cwolff]

No, I didn't...need to check that out. Besides 4 HoF QB's in the first round, also had what...Eric Dickerson, Bruce Matthews, Leonard Marshall....lotta great players.

Here's what wikipedia says.


A total of six players drafted in the first round have been inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame (seven total have been inducted to date). Each round of this draft also contained at least one player who was later selected to play in the Pro Bowl.

Eric Dickerson, Running Back from Southern Methodist University taken 1st round 2nd overall by the Los Angeles Rams.
Inducted: Professional Football Hall of Fame Class of 1999.[4]
Jim Kelly, Quarterback from the University of Miami taken 1st round 14th overall by the Buffalo Bills.
Inducted: Professional Football Hall of Fame Class of 2002.[5]
John Elway, Quarterback from Stanford University taken 1st round 1st overall by the Baltimore Colts.
Inducted: Professional Football Hall of Fame Class of 2004.[5]
Dan Marino, Quarterback from Pittsburgh taken 1st round 27th overall by the Miami Dolphins.
Inducted: Professional Football Hall of Fame Class of 2005.[5]
Bruce Matthews, Offensive Lineman from University of Southern California taken 1st round 9th overall by the Houston Oilers.
Inducted: Professional Football Hall of Fame Class of 2007.[5]
Darrell Green, Cornerback from Texas A&I University taken 1st round 28th overall by the Washington Redskins.
Inducted: Professional Football Hall of Fame Class of 2008.[5]
Richard Dent, Defensive End from Tennessee State University taken 8th round, 203rd overall by the Chicago Bears.
Inducted: Professional Football Hall of Fame Class of 2011.[5]

[cwolff]

Really? I was pointing out he wasn't the first qb to slide in he first round.

I don't like Geno Smith and Brady Quinn was a 22nd pick for the Browns. So was Brandon Weeden. Johnny's got a jinx to break.

edit: interesting sidenote. Weeden is in Dallas.


You guys think Texans are taking Bridgewater in the 2nd?

They should. They need a QB. If I were them I'd take the best quarterback left.

[SHAFT]

You guys think Texans are taking Bridgewater in the 2nd?

Who knows. Care is still there and savage is solid too. That'd be a score if Carr slipped.

[Thondalar]

Here's what wikipedia says.

Oh yeah, forgot about Darrell Green and Richard Dent...man, what a great draft.

[Thondalar]

Especially Dent, 203rd overall? Man, that guy could put your dick in the dirt.

[cwolff]

Especially Dent, 203rd overall? Man, that guy could put your dick in the dirt.

I wonder if that was the best draft ever. Did you hear them talking about the 1974 Steelers draft? They picked 4 hall of famers.

[Thondalar]

I wonder if that was the best draft ever. Did you hear them talking about the 1974 Steelers draft? They picked 4 hall of famers.

Overall it might be the best draft ever...as far as individual teams go, hard to beat the '74 draft for the Steelers.

[cwolff]

Overall it might be the best draft ever...as far as individual teams go, hard to beat the '74 draft for the Steelers.

That was amazing. 4 HOF'ers 1 draft. Unbelievable.

I can go to bed happy now.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnKhK-nCAAALDyh.jpg

[Thondalar]

Really? I was pointing out he wasn't the first qb to slide in he first round.

Oh, I get that...I was saying maybe there's a good reason for that, and the scouts/GMs know better than the pundits.

[Kembal]

last night, I stopped watching a feed around pick 31, figuring that Bridgewater was going to be there for the Texans tonight. Of course, Minnesota trades up out of nowhere.

If Texans are going to pick a QB, it'll be Carr....but boy, would that be difficult. People here still hate his brother. Of course (because our team can't seem to grasp that we need a QB), I'm hearing that Louis Nix might be the pick. Guess we'll know in 30 minutes.

[subzero]

Manziel doesn't look happy with this pick.

Why would anyone ever be happy about being shipped to Cleveland?

[Gsgeek]

Man, rb have become so disposable, not a single one drafted in round one. I thought the rams had the most solid first round draft. As a dolphin fan, i was really disappointed they didnt trade down for some more picks, especially after they reached for the lineman they got. I think the vikings did well with bridgewater, time will tell of course. Ready for round 2....

[Parkbandit]

last night, I stopped watching a feed around pick 31, figuring that Bridgewater was going to be there for the Texans tonight. Of course, Minnesota trades up out of nowhere.

If Texans are going to pick a QB, it'll be Carr....but boy, would that be difficult. People here still hate his brother. Of course (because our team can't seem to grasp that we need a QB), I'm hearing that Louis Nix might be the pick. Guess we'll know in 30 minutes.

Bitch please. The Bucs just spent 10 million dollars for 2 years for this guy:

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nfl/players/full/3609.png&w=350&h=254

[SHAFT]

Josh Gordon is facing a year long suspension for the marijuana. Good luck this season Johnny football.

[cwolff]

Josh Gordon is facing a year long suspension for the marijuana. Good luck this season Johnny football.

It's incredible isn't it. Friggin' Cleveland. They were probably going to ruin him anyway, but this doesn't help.

Have you seen this? It's the New England scouting report on Johnny Football.

http://www.brobible.com/sports/article/johnny-manziel-scouting-report-new-england-patriots/

[SHAFT]

Can't say I buy that scouting report.

[cwolff]

Can't say I buy that scouting report.

Buy that it's legit or the contents of the report?

[waywardgs]

It's incredible isn't it. Friggin' Cleveland. They were probably going to ruin him anyway, but this doesn't help.

Have you seen this? It's the New England scouting report on Johnny Football.

http://www.brobible.com/sports/article/johnny-manziel-scouting-report-new-england-patriots/

I dunno. I think a smaller market team is a good fit for him. He doesn't need to be big market right away. He'll get a chance to develop there. So long as he doesn't get killed on the scramble.

[SHAFT]

Buy that it's legit or the contents of the report?

I don't believe it's the pats actual scouting report. I skimmed through it, but everything written is common knowledge.

[Parkbandit]

http://time.com/94608/dont-freak-out-if-michael-sam-isnt-drafted/

The wording of this piece cracked me up... some excerpts:

Sam, the SEC defensive player of the year, has a real problem. He’s a classic tweener: potentially not big and strong enough to play on the defensive line, where he started at Missouri, but not fast enough to play linebacker in the NFL.

If Sam’s name isn’t called over the next two days, expect a flood of hysterical questions and forced debates. Did teams pass on him because of his sexuality, and use his lack of size and speed as a convenient excuse? Did they not want the media “distraction” that would accompany Sam, wherever he goes?
Before rushing to call out NFL execs as bigots, however, consider: whether he’s drafted or not, Sam will get his chance to show a NFL team he can play.
Because worst case, some team will invite Sam to camp as an undrafted free agent. Here, I’ll trust those five scouts in McGinn’s poll who said they would sign him. It would be crazy for no team to at least give the SEC player of the year a look in camp. From a pure football perspective, it’s a low-risk, potential high-reward move. Thelist (http://www.realclearsports.com/lists/top_10_undrafted_free_agents_in_NFL_history/) of undrafted free agents who later became stars is impressive, and includes Houston Texans running back Arian Foster, ex-NFL MVP Kurt Warner, and New York Giants wide receiver Victor Cruz, who signed a luscious five-year, $43 million contract extension with the team last summer.

So if you’re a Sam fan, or are just rooting for his social message — a gay player can be accepted in the most “manly” American team sport — don’t freak out if his name isn’t called. If no NFL team extends Sam an invite to camp, that’s when things get fishy. That would reek of weakness and bigotry.


So, the article goes on to say how he's not big or strong enough for the position he's played in the NFL.. how many players who were undrafted ended up getting to play and became great players.. but if Sam doesn't get drafted, then the NFL are a bunch of bigots. It reads like 2 or 3 people wrote the article, since it contradicts itself throughout.

[cwolff]

I dunno. I think a smaller market team is a good fit for him. He doesn't need to be big market right away. He'll get a chance to develop there. So long as he doesn't get killed on the scramble.

I wonder about how much he'll develop. He's been in QB training his whole life so he pretty much is what he is. He'll never be a great drop back pocket passer and I bet he gets killed doing his improv in the NFL. It'll fun to watch while he lasts.


I don't believe it's the pats actual scouting report. I skimmed through it, but everything written is common knowledge.

People are saying it's a fake. Especially that the Pats reports have much more complex grading.

[Parkbandit]

I wonder about how much he'll develop. He's been in QB training his whole life so he pretty much is what he is. He'll never be a great drop back pocket passer and I bet he gets killed doing his improv in the NFL. It'll fun to watch while he lasts.

People are saying it's a fake. Especially that the Pats reports have much more complex grading.

He's Tebow 2.0, without the "Good Christian Boy" traits that made people hate him and want him to be unsuccessful.

[Gompers]

He's Tebow 2.0, without the "Good Christian Boy" traits that made people hate him and want him to be unsuccessful.

I hate both...i wonder what that says about me.

[Warriorbird]

Unquestionably biased, but interesting:

http://deadspin.com/the-long-con-how-the-manziels-conquered-america-1040593220

[Parkbandit]

With the exception of not picking up a top QB, I'm pretty happy with the Bucs draft so far. If they get Mettenberger today, I'd be pretty happy.

I also believe the Giants did well in the draft, with maybe the reach of Bromley being the only questionable move. They still need some major help at TE and another big, young body on OL.

[Parkbandit]

I hate both...i wonder what that says about me.

You probably hate Microsoft too!

[SHAFT]

The football gods are punishing manziel for being such a fuckface. First josh Gordon can't resist his true love, which is the marihuana, and second Nate burleson breaks a arm or something. Again.

Good luck Johnny football!

[subzero]

His future with Cleveland is about as bright as their sky anyway. On the bright side, he didn't land with the Bills!

[subzero]

http://time.com/94608/dont-freak-out-if-michael-sam-isnt-drafted/

The wording of this piece cracked me up... some excerpts:

Sam, the SEC defensive player of the year, has a real problem. He’s a classic tweener: potentially not big and strong enough to play on the defensive line, where he started at Missouri, but not fast enough to play linebacker in the NFL.

If Sam’s name isn’t called over the next two days, expect a flood of hysterical questions and forced debates. Did teams pass on him because of his sexuality, and use his lack of size and speed as a convenient excuse? Did they not want the media “distraction” that would accompany Sam, wherever he goes?
Before rushing to call out NFL execs as bigots, however, consider: whether he’s drafted or not, Sam will get his chance to show a NFL team he can play.
Because worst case, some team will invite Sam to camp as an undrafted free agent. Here, I’ll trust those five scouts in McGinn’s poll who said they would sign him. It would be crazy for no team to at least give the SEC player of the year a look in camp. From a pure football perspective, it’s a low-risk, potential high-reward move. Thelist (http://www.realclearsports.com/lists/top_10_undrafted_free_agents_in_NFL_history/) of undrafted free agents who later became stars is impressive, and includes Houston Texans running back Arian Foster, ex-NFL MVP Kurt Warner, and New York Giants wide receiver Victor Cruz, who signed a luscious five-year, $43 million contract extension with the team last summer.

So if you’re a Sam fan, or are just rooting for his social message — a gay player can be accepted in the most “manly” American team sport — don’t freak out if his name isn’t called. If no NFL team extends Sam an invite to camp, that’s when things get fishy. That would reek of weakness and bigotry.


So, the article goes on to say how he's not big or strong enough for the position he's played in the NFL.. how many players who were undrafted ended up getting to play and became great players.. but if Sam doesn't get drafted, then the NFL are a bunch of bigots. It reads like 2 or 3 people wrote the article, since it contradicts itself throughout.

So, Sam is now a Ram. I can see the memes in creation as I type this.

[cwolff]

Steelers Unveil New Johnny Manziel Cleveland Browns Uniform

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