New York City.

[Stunseed]

Taking Jolena's player up this weekend, and we have tickets to Wicked Friday night. We're staying at the Paramount near Times Square, and basically have Saturday in the city. We're planning to see Central Park and the Museum right outside of it, at some point the fat bastard I am is going to Katz Deli for pastrami. For giggles we were thinking of going to the Jekyl & Hyde Club on Saturday night.

Any other suggestions? We land Friday at 9am, and leave Sunday at noon.

[Archigeek]

Taking Jolena's player up this weekend, and we have tickets to Wicked Friday night. We're staying at the Paramount near Times Square, and basically have Saturday in the city. We're planning to see Central Park and the Museum right outside of it, at some point the fat bastard I am is going to Katz Deli for pastrami. For giggles we were thinking of going to the Jekyl & Hyde Club on Saturday night. Any other suggestions? We land Friday at 9am, and leave Sunday at noon.

Half the museums in the city are right next to the park: Rose Planetarium, Metropolitan Museum of Art, Guggenheim, Jewish Museum of Art... all within a short walk of each other. I'd suggest seeing them all, but you only have one day! I'd go to the Met if I only had time for one, and check out their collection of medieval armor and weaponry since you're a couple of gamers! I haven't been to the Planetarium, but it looks pretty awesome.

Also, consider checking out the cloisters at the north end of Manhattan.

[Allereli]

like burlesque?

also, the Comedy Cellar

[Back]

Here is a pic of a pastrami ruben from Carnegie Deli. It's like $25 but worth every bite!

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[poloneus]

Here is a pic of a pastrami ruben from Carnegie Deli. It's like $25 but worth every bite!

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Yeah take your pick on Katz or Carnegie. Both excellent choices. It's hard to give suggestions since you could do just about anything you would want in Manhattan. It would help knowing what you're into and what your budget is. There's great free stuff, and great really frickin expensive stuff, and of course stuff in the middle.

If you only have one day and are intent on Central Park and the museums, stay in Midtown and do Carnegie. Also follow Archigeek's advice on Met and Cloisters, but expect to pick what you want to see beforehand because the Met could take more than one whole day by itself. If you're on a budget remember the Met is a "suggested" price, but if you have the cash don't be a cheap bastard and pay the full suggested. I forget if Cloisters is suggested price as it's been a lil over 10 years. If you're intent on going downtown to Katz's and want to do free tourist stuff head for the Brooklyn Bridge, Wall Street, Freedom Tower, and the Staten Island ferry for a good look at the Statue of Liberty. All good free options that are relatively close together. Ferry is a nice sunset trip if you can time it right. Schedule should be posted online somewhere. DEFINITELY hope you get a ferry that you don't have to get off for the return trip. If you're forced to disembark be mindful of your surroundings at the Ferry Terminal in Staten Island. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. With that being said Manhattan is all pretty safe the past 10-15 years except for small pockets on the Lower East Side and above 110th Street. Amazingly Port Authority can get a little sketchy still sometimes too. If going above 110th Street either know where you're going or stick to daylight hours. Definitely morning in midtown (museums will have lighter crowds, and they get REAL crowded) and afternoon downtown if those options seem good. Of course you could always do Central Park and at least Met Friday day. Do Carnegie Friday for lunch and Katz Saturday and you can always tell people in the future which is better with authority! Don't go halfsies on a single sandwich (even though they're fucking big) if you get table service. Your waiter will piss in your drink.

Not much into club and bar scene in Manhattan, but the Village is good for bar hoping. If you think you're going to the village my favorite was always the Corner Bistro. Good pub grub cheeseburgers there, but like the rest of the Village the bars get fucking packed. If you want specifics and want to bar hop say so and I can think of a street or three you could hang around.

[Allereli]

If you want to go super tourist, Tavern on the Green has reopened

[Ker_Thwap]

Murray's Cheese Bar

[Stunseed]

Thanks for the suggestions. We were planning at the Met, next to Central Park. Saw a spot about that deli and it's a good suggestion....

We're not going to have a vehicle for this trip but I have Carey service from LGA to the hotel. I figure to do what I can in the area and I'm not rich I assuredly know NYC is not cheap....I'm not an alcohol drinker but Jolena's player may imbibe on a drink or two, so the club/bar scene is out at least for this trip.

I also remembered the other day we're flying into NYC the weekend of the NFL Draft and we're staying next to where it'll be held. I'm sure that is going to make some travel in the city difficult.

[SHAFT]

If you're into fine dining I suggest eleven Madison park, Daniel, or la bernardin. 3 of the best restaurants in the world. Try masa if you want to say you've been to the most expensive restaurant in the US.

[Back]

Thanks for the suggestions. We were planning at the Met, next to Central Park. Saw a spot about that deli and it's a good suggestion....

We're not going to have a vehicle for this trip but I have Carey service from LGA to the hotel. I figure to do what I can in the area and I'm not rich I assuredly know NYC is not cheap....I'm not an alcohol drinker but Jolena's player may imbibe on a drink or two, so the club/bar scene is out at least for this trip.

I also remembered the other day we're flying into NYC the weekend of the NFL Draft and we're staying next to where it'll be held. I'm sure that is going to make some travel in the city difficult.

Google maps has a public transportation option. Use it. It is wonderful.

[Nilandia]

Google maps has a public transportation option. Use it. It is wonderful.
Pfft, Google Maps. Hopstop's where it's at.

Also, avoid Times Square if you aren't specifically going there, and never, ever block the flow of walking traffic. The most impatient people will actually run people over if they're in the way.

Gretchen

[Drazaan]

How long has it been since you were last in New York? I would highly recommend the High Line Park if you haven't been there yet. Start at the southern terminus on Gansevoort in the Meatpacking District and wind your way north on that ribbon of green. It's almost entirely unique in the world. Promenade Plantee in Paris similar in some ways, but the High Line has alot more going for it . Check it out!

What do you two like to do when you travel? What type of food do you eat? I could definitely give more suggestions that would fit well if I knew a bit more about how you like to travel.

[Archigeek]

Forgot about the High Line. Haven't seen it, but it's held up as an example of great reuse of space. It would be on my list if it were me.

[poloneus]

We're not going to have a vehicle for this trip..

That's a positive in Manhattan. A vehicle will slow you down. The subways and buses will take you anywhere you need to go and they're safe (besides the occasional Apple picking). Subways are 24 hours btw. Just about anyone not completely speed-walking (which may be hard to find sometimes) will be more than happy to help with directions. People like showing off that they know the subway/bus system.

[waywardgs]

Go to Williamsburg and toss rocks at all my hipster ex-neighbors.

[Nilandia]

High Line is definitely a good suggestion. My brother lives in the city and he says it's a fantastic place to go. If you like parks, I'd suggest dropping by Brooklyn's Prospect Park. It was designed by Frederick Law Olmsted, the same man who designed Central Park, but he considered Prospect Park his crowning achievement. I'm also a fan of the New York Botanical Garden.

If you're a fan of Italian food, you might try Eataly. It's run by Mario Batali and it's a combination food store and restaurant. Very popular, so it may be crowded!

Gretchen

[Back]

The High Line is a nice walk. But thats about it. If it is on your way from one place to another I'd say go for it. Otherwise... there are many other more interesting things to see and do in a small time frame.

Eataly does rock though. It's a good early evening place for dinner, coffee, dessert. Oddly enough I have a photo from Eataly from the same trip as the Carnegie Deli.

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[Jhynnifer]

The Met itself can take an entire day (and you still won't see it all), so if you're planning on going there to see specific things I might consider downloading a map to familiarize yourself with it. Otherwise if you're just looking for a good museum the Guggeinheim is amazing.

[poloneus]

The High Line is a nice walk. But thats about it. If it is on your way from one place to another I'd say go for it. Otherwise... there are many other more interesting things to see and do in a small time frame.

Eataly does rock though. It's a good early evening place for dinner, coffee, dessert. Oddly enough I have a photo from Eataly from the same trip as the Carnegie Deli.

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If you're going to get pizza in New York, get real pizza. I'm not familiar with the place you have here, but it looks like some kind of artsy fartsy pizza. I mean yeah, that can be good stuff. Just seems like a waste to go all the way to NYC and you get fartsy pizza. If you're doing Italian, get food. If you're doing pizza, it's hard to go wrong in Manhattan with a slice. I mean add some sausage or something, but keep it simple. Although stick to the places that sell primarily pizza, and not the places that sell pizza, rice and beans, and tacos made by Chinese people all in one place. I can't imagine having to live with Pizza Hut or some equally silly thing and calling it pizza and I'd be all over regular slices if I was travelling to NY.

[Keller]

Go to Pok Pok and order everything on the menu.

[Keller]

If you're going to get pizza in New York, get real pizza. I'm not familiar with the place you have here, but it looks like some kind of artsy fartsy pizza. I mean yeah, that can be good stuff. Just seems like a waste to go all the way to NYC and you get fartsy pizza. If you're doing Italian, get food. If you're doing pizza, it's hard to go wrong in Manhattan with a slice. I mean add some sausage or something, but keep it simple. Although stick to the places that sell primarily pizza, and not the places that sell pizza, rice and beans, and tacos made by Chinese people all in one place. I can't imagine having to live with Pizza Hut or some equally silly thing and calling it pizza and I'd be all over regular slices if I was travelling to NY.

Real pizza? Artsy, fartsy pizza? Back posted a picture of neapolitan pizza, the way it is supposed to be made. That's like me posting a picture of the bone-in ribeye from Peter Luger's and you being like, "don't bother with that artsy fartsy steak, just settle up to the Outback in Time Square for a sirloin."

Get the fuck out of here.

[Latrinsorm]

If you're going to get pizza in New York, get real pizza. I'm not familiar with the place you have here, but it looks like some kind of artsy fartsy pizza. I mean yeah, that can be good stuff. Just seems like a waste to go all the way to NYC and you get fartsy pizza. If you're doing Italian, get food. If you're doing pizza, it's hard to go wrong in Manhattan with a slice. I mean add some sausage or something, but keep it simple. Although stick to the places that sell primarily pizza, and not the places that sell pizza, rice and beans, and tacos made by Chinese people all in one place. I can't imagine having to live with Pizza Hut or some equally silly thing and calling it pizza and I'd be all over regular slices if I was travelling to NY.My favorite spot for a New York slice:

http://www.thesomersetcollection.com/sites/thesomersetcollection.com/files/imagecache/495x310/stores/photos/SBARRO.jpg

[Taernath]

My favorite spot for a New York slice:

10/10 would rage again

[Back]

Oh damn. The great pizza debate rages on! You guys are both right of course. I lived in the city for a year as a kid and 5 years as a young adult. I know pizza, at least what I like, and even then I would only ever go to a couple of places in the entire city that I knew had outstanding pizza. I forget their names now. One was up around 110th on the east side. Another around Amsterdam and 83rd. There are a million little shops selling pizza and they are great for on the go or late night. For really good pizza you need to seek it out.

One thing I do when I travel if I don't know any locals is ask your bartender or server where the best is. Haven't been let down yet.

Eataly is an experience. Think outdoor market, inside a open spaced building, with separate areas stocked with authentic Italian products from olive oil to gelatto, and each of those areas with a menu serving the products they sell made fresh right there.

[diethx]

Real pizza? Artsy, fartsy pizza? Back posted a picture of neapolitan pizza, the way it is supposed to be made. That's like me posting a picture of the bone-in ribeye from Peter Luger's and you being like, "don't bother with that artsy fartsy steak, just settle up to the Outback in Time Square for a sirloin."

Get the fuck out of here.

Who says that's the way it's supposed to be made? I'd take a real NY style pizza over Neapolitan pizza any day. Plus, you can get authentic Neapolitan pizza in places other than NY. For example, there's a restaurant in town here that imported their ovens from Italy and follows all the requirements to making the authentic stuff. You'd be hard-pressed to find genuine NY style pizza so far outside the city. It's all about preferences, but to compare real NY style pizza to a steak from Outback is terribly disingenuous.

[Archigeek]

NY style pizza is eh. It's just decent late night food. There's far better food in NYC than the pizza. It's not that much different than a lot of other pizzas in a lot of other towns. Chicago style on the other hand is far more distinct than NY style. But I'll still take Naples style pizza over either of those two any day of the week.

If I want really great NYC street food I'll get a dog or a knish or bagel from a small shop somewhere. There are still a lot of great little bakeries all over NYC that make really great fresh baked goods. Mostly I'd just stick to restaurants though. There are a ton of great choices in NYC.

[rolfard]

It's all about the water. That's why we have better bagels and pizza.

[poloneus]

NY style pizza is eh. It's just decent late night food.

I could not disagree more! I could live on pizza. Sure there is better food, but most of it costs 10-20x as much! The aforementioned steak house (which somehow got compared to pizza) is better. $2.50 slice vs. $50+? for the steak.

You know what I hate about Peter Luger? I used to live literally down the block just on the other side of the bridge. I was too poor then, or too smart not to spend that kind of $ at the time, to ever go there. Now I can go enjoy a good steak when I want and it's a real bitch to get to. I've been back a total of once. I mean there's plenty of good steak around here, but part of Peter Luger's is the ambiance.

Stunseed scrap the whole plan and throws rocks like somebody suggested then take the short walk from there to Peter Luger's!

[poloneus]

It's not that much different than a lot of other pizzas in a lot of other towns.

And surely you jest! That's blasphemy!

[Drazaan]

It's all about the water. That's why we have better bagels and pizza.

Ah, the finest waters borne of Croton and the Catskills. I believe it's all in the water too.

New York can do most cuisines pretty well though they are horrendous at Tex-Mex. It's enough to make me cry while eating the tastiest bagels and cronuts on earth.

[Skip]

Oh damn. The great pizza debate rages on! You guys are both right of course. I lived in the city for a year as a kid and 5 years as a young adult. I know pizza, at least what I like, and even then I would only ever go to a couple of places in the entire city that I knew had outstanding pizza. I forget their names now. One was up around 110th on the east side. Another around Amsterdam and 83rd.

The one on Amsterdam and 83rd is called Celeste and it is amazing! Great pasta and pizza for around $10-15 per person if you're not ordering wine...can't beat the food for the price, it's simple and delicious.

\/\/est siiiiide!

[diethx]

I've had both my mom and a friend fedex me bagels from NY before. I want one now. I hate you all. :(

[waywardgs]

Stunseed scrap the whole plan and throws rocks like somebody suggested then take the short walk from there to Peter Luger's!

Yep. Toss rocks at hipsters then eat a steak at Luger's. That's the perfect NYC day.

[waywardgs]

PS a $2.50 slice of NYC 'za is the epitome of modern cuisine. Everything else is just a fluff job.

[Keller]

Who says that's the way it's supposed to be made? I'd take a real NY style pizza over Neapolitan pizza any day. Plus, you can get authentic Neapolitan pizza in places other than NY. For example, there's a restaurant in town here that imported their ovens from Italy and follows all the requirements to making the authentic stuff. You'd be hard-pressed to find genuine NY style pizza so far outside the city. It's all about preferences, but to compare real NY style pizza to a steak from Outback is terribly disingenuous.

The comparison was a food in its highest form (dry-aged prime bone-in ribeye; Neapolitan pizza) its lowest form (Outback sirloin; mass produced cheap pizza by the slice).

I agree NY style pizza is delicious - as any food consisting of dough, cheese, tomato paste, and meat should be - but let's not call it "real" pizza while calling real pizza "artsy, fartsy" pizza. And if people insist on doing that, I want them to be aware that they will be mocked for it.

[diethx]

The comparison was a food in its highest form (dry-aged prime bone-in ribeye; Neapolitan pizza) its lowest form (Outback sirloin; mass produced cheap pizza by the slice).

I agree NY style pizza is delicious - as any food consisting of dough, cheese, tomato paste, and meat should be - but let's not call it "real" pizza while calling real pizza "artsy, fartsy" pizza. And if people insist on doing that, I want them to be aware that they will be mocked for it.

Ok, there are a couple flaws in this argument. First off, real NY pizza from a real independently-owned NY pizza joint is not "mass produced cheap pizza by the slice". Do they make a lot of them? Yeah, sure. But it's not like getting Dominos or Pizza Hut, which would be mass produced cheap pizza.

Secondly, not everyone prefers the taste of Neapolitan pizza over other types of pizza. I am one of them, and several others have spoken up in this thread alone. Your definition of "real" pizza is not an absolute. It's your opinion.

[Keller]

It's not an argument. Everything I stated was factual.

Modern pizza as we know it was invented in Naples. It is Neapolitan. That is "real" pizza. Everything else is a knock-off. I think you realize that because you wrote real NY pizza. No need for the extra adjective unless you had already admitted I was right. Whether real pizza or NY pizza tastes better is not being discussed here. I like them both, just like I enjoy an aged bone-in ribeye and an Outback sirloin.

[Gelston]

Pizza (Listeni/ˈpiːtsə/, Italian pronunciation: [ˈpittsa]) is an oven-baked flat bread typically topped with a tomato sauce, cheese and various toppings.

That is all that is required for it to be called a real pizza.

[Keller]

I'm sorry, Gelston. That is not correct.

[Gelston]

I'm sorry, Gelston. That is not correct.

Then you are going into opinion territory, when mine is factual information. Your opinions aren't facts, buddy.

[Archigeek]

Actually his facts are correct. Pizza is generally accepted as having been invented in Naples, and Naples' Pizza is therefore indeed real pizza. To be fair though, I think the reality is that pizza was an evolution of the various flat breads in the region. Just as Matisse invented colored paper cutouts, so Naples invented the pizza, and some Italian immigrant invented NY style pizza, which is just another slice down the line in the evolution of pizza. Does that make it better? Just like Chicago style, and Red's Savoy's pizza in St Paul. Each of them variations on a theme started centuries ago. To say one is better than another is of course subjective.

So thank you Naples, you dirty, ugly city, for inventing one of the most beautiful foods in the universe. You have little to crow about, with your grime, trash-strewn streets, and mediocre transportation: you do make a fine, fine pizza.

[Keller]

Then you are going into opinion territory, when mine is factual information. Your opinions aren't facts, buddy.

Nothing I've said is opinion. I'm sorry you're having such a difficult time with this.

[waywardgs]

Some mafia guy put me and my friends up in his mansion on that island right off the coast of Naples for a while. He was a nice guy.

[waywardgs]

Pizza (Listeni/ˈpiːtsə/, Italian pronunciation: [ˈpittsa]) is an oven-baked flat bread typically topped with a tomato sauce, cheese and various toppings.

That is all that is required for it to be called a real pizza.

Thus excluding Chicago deep dish.

[Keller]

Thus excluding Chicago deep dish.

I think we can find common ground that Chicago deep dish is not pizza by any definition.

[Gelston]

Nothing I've said is opinion. I'm sorry you're having such a difficult time with this.

And what I put was an exact definition of the word pizza.

[Allereli]

http://static.tumblr.com/6ksvijd/NEFljkd6v/tmnt-pizza.jpg

[Keller]

And what I put was an exact definition of the word pizza.

I have no problem calling NY pizza "pizza". Never have. I have a problem calling it "real pizza," especially to the exclusion of real pizza.

I don't mind explaining this to you - I'm just a little embarrassed for you at this point. Maybe send me a PM if you need additional help.

[SHAFT]

According to the good people at the Campianato Mondiale Della Pizza in Parma, Italy, this is the best pizza in the world:

From Australia by the way
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/Mobile%20Uploads/image-7.jpg (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image-7.jpg.html)

[Gelston]

I have no problem calling NY pizza "pizza". Never have. I have a problem calling it "real pizza," especially to the exclusion of real pizza.

I don't mind explaining this to you - I'm just a little embarrassed for you at this point. Maybe send me a PM if you need additional help.

I call all pizza made according to the definition real pizza. If you want to be an elitist pizza asshole, so be it.

[Keller]

I call all pizza made according to the definition real pizza. If you want to be an elitist pizza asshole, so be it.

Are you being intentionally obtuse?

[Taernath]

If you eat any other kind of sandwich besides one made from the meat from a Paschal lamb with bitter herbs and soft matzah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandwich#History) you're eating a knockoff and deserve to be thoroughly mocked.

[Nilandia]

So thank you Naples, you dirty, ugly city, for inventing one of the most beautiful foods in the universe. You have little to crow about, with your grime, trash-strewn streets, and mediocre transportation: you do make a fine, fine pizza.
So very true. Best pizza I've ever had was from a small, locally owned restaurant in a tiny village south of Pompeii. That whole meal was one of the best I've ever had, but the pizza was out of this world.

Gretchen

[waywardgs]

According to the good people at the Campianato Mondiale Della Pizza in Parma, Italy, this is the best pizza in the world:

From Australia by the way
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/Mobile%20Uploads/image-7.jpg (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image-7.jpg.html)

I'm skeptical. That looks like it was thrown together by one lazy motherfucker.

[Wrathbringer]

Google maps has a public transportation option. Use it. It is wonderful.

Public transportation is for peasants and minorities, back. You know that.


I'm skeptical. That looks like it was thrown together by one lazy motherfucker.

this

[Keller]

The WSJ has an article today on real pizza. Pretty awesome timing on their part.

[SHAFT]

I apologize, that is a picture of a margherita pizza made by the guy from Australia who won the award.

[AnticorRifling]

Are you being intentionally obtuse?

http://www.mathfunny.com/images/obtuse-math-joke-funny-familyguy.jpg

[Stunseed]

So the trip is almost done. Carnegie's was amazing and Wicked was truly enjoyable. Had neopolitan pizza and MoMA too much for an IPhone post. Thanks all

[SHAFT]

So the trip is almost done. Carnegie's was amazing and Wicked was truly enjoyable. Had neopolitan pizza and MoMA too much for an IPhone post. Thanks all

At any point during the trip were you obtuse?

[Stunseed]

Oh Fox News if you only knew the inside joke from PC I made on TV..You're all welcome.

[Nilandia]

Do tell!

[Stunseed]

Got interviewed in Times Square about civics. Answered correctly once the camera was on I went obtuse so badly they cut the reporter out because he got mad. The camera guy was laughing his ass off while filming.

[AnticorRifling]

That's awesome!

[Keller]

I can't see the link you obviously must have posted because it would be rude to tell that story and not post the link.

[Stunseed]

https://scontent-b-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/v/t34.0-12/10338852_10201718126616569_1096632548_n.jpg?oh=83a 0635febf329212acac0a81aad27df&oe=5377D4B4

I tried doing a "Whatchu talkin bout Willis" look at the reporter and they cut his face from showing me pissing him off.

( In b4 fattie mcfat-fat )