Military fakers

[Gelston]

So, it is fun to call out fakes. Even on the internet. While perusing the ESO forums today, I found this gem-


Doowie ...Typical.

"Yeah you DO that...& I'll SUE your A** for wrongful prosecution.."

I suggest you re-read my post; I was agreeing with ZoS oversight. Not player; & was pointing out how many scammers keep tabs on the "law" so they can rout around it.

...& You're right, I've never worked in "an industry where you have to enforce rules, policies and procedures to keep a customer/civilian happy."

I was only a marine combat medic for 14 years, & now a paramedic & volunteer fireman.

DO continue to tell me how I have a poor perception of rules, wrongdoers, & or legal implications for action or non-action.

Now, since the forums there are multiple countries, I responded with


Oh yeah? Awesome! What country?

to which he replied


United States sir, I forget these forums are multinational. My apologies.

Right there I am thinking bullshit. In the US Marines we don't have medics. We have US Navy Corpsman. They NEVER refer to themselves as "marine combat medics", generally "Greenside Corpsman", and even if they did, I bet you they'd capitalize Marine. I sent him a PM saying "Oh, you mean you were a Navy Corpsman?" He hasn't responded yet. This is exciting to me, okay?

[Taernath]

I really fucking hate it when someone brings up military service (real or imagined) as a way to gain leverage in some internet argument. Especially if it's an internet argument about a video game.

[Gelston]

I really fucking hate it when someone brings up military service (real or imagined) as a way to gain leverage in some internet argument. Especially if it's an internet argument about a video game.

BUT D00D HE WAS A MARINE COMBAT MEDIC WHICH MEANS HE KNOWS RESPONSIBILITY AND SHOULD BE AN IG MOD FOR ESO BECAUSE THE MILITARY NEVER PRODUCES SHITBAGS.

[AnticorRifling]

I really fucking hate it when someone brings up military service (real or imagined) as a way to gain leverage in some internet argument. Especially if it's an internet argument about a video game.

HOW DARE YOU SIR?!

[Wrathbringer]

I really fucking hate it when someone brings up military service (real or imagined) as a way to gain leverage in some internet argument. Especially if it's an internet argument about a video game.

I hate it when anyone brings up military service (real or imagined).

[Taernath]

BUT D00D HE WAS A MARINE COMBAT MEDIC WHICH MEANS HE KNOWS RESPONSIBILITY AND SHOULD BE AN IG MOD FOR ESO BECAUSE THE MILITARY NEVER PRODUCES SHITBAGS.

They're all operators too, you know? Nobody's a clerk, transportation, or supply specialist in the military.

You ever read Guardian of Valor (http://guardianofvalor.com/)? Some of those guys piss me off royally, like the Ranger Special Forces Sniper with Army of Occupation award (http://guardianofvalor.com/mark-h-smith-special-forces-ranger-poser-gets-free-k9-lying/) who accepted a dog donated by an 11 year old kid.

[Gelston]

I hate it when people bring up not paying taxes (real or imagined).

[Gelston]

They're all operators too, you know? Nobody's a clerk, transportation, or supply specialist in the military.

You ever read Guardian of Valor (http://guardianofvalor.com/)? Some of those guys piss me off royally, like the Ranger Special Forces Sniper with Army of Occupation award (http://guardianofvalor.com/mark-h-smith-special-forces-ranger-poser-gets-free-k9-lying/") who accepted a dog donated by an 11 year old kid.

Yeah I read that story. He went on to scam other places too, but they always call about him now.

http://guardianofvalor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/IMG_5688.jpg

It just looks fake.

[Parkbandit]

I think faking military service is pretty prevalent on the Internet.

Even on this message board.

[Wrathbringer]

Yeah I read that story. He went on to scam other places too, but they always call about him now.

http://guardianofvalor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/IMG_5688.jpg

It just looks fake.

I dunno, he's fat. Could have been Army.

[Gelston]

Hah, I meant all the pins... On a Gortex jacket. Does the Army wear them on those in the first place? Why are some of them full size and the others um.. VFW hat sized?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Regardless of why a person joins I will say I do respect them all for protecting my freedoms. That doesn't mean I think a lot of our military are exactly top notch achievers or thinkers.

So that said, why do you have to bash this guy saying he was a combat medic, what if it's all he's got to hold onto? I still feel bad about Kevin (Warclaidhm) and how I could have perhaps been less a jerk to him. I find most liars will come clean eventually, especially if it's because of some sort of self esteem issue.

[Gelston]

Regardless of why a person joins I will say I do respect them all for protecting my freedoms. That doesn't mean I think a lot of our military are exactly top notch achievers or thinkers.

So that said, why do you have to bash this guy saying he was a combat medic, what if it's all he's got to hold onto? I still feel bad about Kevin (Warclaidhm) and how I could have perhaps been less a jerk to him. I find most liars will come clean eventually, especially if it's because of some sort of self esteem issue.

He may have never been in the military in the first place. I will always call out a faker. I haven't included any names, if you notice, and I haven't called him out on those forums. In fact, I asked him in a PM if he meant that he was a Navy Corpsman. He hasn't responded yet, and as far as I can tell he stopped posting on the ESO forums for the moment. He may have logged off and not seen it, he may be worried that he is about to get called out.

I don't know if you served or not, but this sort of thing usually pisses veterans off.

[Latrinsorm]

I think faking military service is pretty prevalent on the Internet.

Even on this message board.Would you care to elaborate? I can remember only Donny.
Why are some of them full size and the others um.. VFW hat sized?Doowie(?)... typical. Bleeding heart liberal has a problem with the VFW and disparages our troop.

[Jayvn]

We used to call our medic "Corpman" all the time while deployed just to piss him off. Most of us deployed had to be 'combat life saver' qualified.. that just means I can stick a needle in your vein and make fluid drip into your bloodstream... not very difficult...
I had a guy come into my work saying he did like 24 years in the marines and I was like..oh..cool story bro. because he looked maybe 30s, strung out and overweight.

[cwolff]

They're all operators too, you know? Nobody's a clerk, transportation, or supply specialist in the military.

You ever read Guardian of Valor (http://guardianofvalor.com/)? Some of those guys piss me off royally, like the Ranger Special Forces Sniper with Army of Occupation award (http://guardianofvalor.com/mark-h-smith-special-forces-ranger-poser-gets-free-k9-lying/) who accepted a dog donated by an 11 year old kid.

I played pool with two guys at a local bar a few years ago. One of them actually said he did 4 years as a cook in the Army. I was really impressed with that. It's the first time I've heard someone say that. Of course his blubbery out of shape friend was in SF so...


Yeah I read that story. He went on to scam other places too, but they always call about him now.

It just looks fake.

I love his zipper tab. I read it as "A P.O.S." He's telling you right there what he's all about.


Regardless of why a person joins I will say I do respect them all for protecting my freedoms. That doesn't mean I think a lot of our military are exactly top notch achievers or thinkers.

So that said, why do you have to bash this guy saying he was a combat medic, what if it's all he's got to hold onto? I still feel bad about Kevin (Warclaidhm) and how I could have perhaps been less a jerk to him. I find most liars will come clean eventually, especially if it's because of some sort of self esteem issue.

I know what you're saying but I'm not that sympathetic. I wouldn't go so far as to say that I wish they would all drop dead, but I'm close to that. It's so friggin' prevalent too. I can't tell you how many High Speed Low Drag mother f**kers I've met at the bar. I even ran into a female Navy SEAL in 1998.

It's just out of hand. The posers also use their military honors to get jobs and raise money. Basically they are just Con Men and should be treated like criminals.

[NinjasLeadTheWay]

I love fakers. Love them. thisainthell.us does a stolen valor competition every year. It just keeps getting better and better.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCnzi6L_BsM

[Gelston]

We used to have a Navy guy come into the bar wearing his uniform all the time. Which was weird, but whatever. He is proud of it. He was an E2. Anyways, one day he comes in sporting dolphins, so he gets a bunch of questions. We have a big ass Air Force Base right by us, so we have a bunch of psuedo-military types here (aka, Air Force people :P ). Anyways, this was also before Stolen Valor was struck down, and since he was also actually in the Navy he'd be fucked by his command. Some old retired Navy officer that is always in the bar (who is also a school teacher now) chewed his ass something new right in the middle of the bar.

I have never seen him get that way, but remember when a bunch of Navy SEALs were killed in that helicopter downing in Afghan( These guys: http://www.ksla.com/story/22438325/monument-honoring-fallen-local-navy-seals-to-be-dedicated-in-shreveport)? Two of those were from Shreveport. Their funeral was about 2 weeks before this.

[Warriorbird]

I always have liked that my two high school friends in the military were "a guy who rode around with truck drivers" and "somebody who translated things."

[AnticorRifling]

I got to bust one of my lance coolies down for wearing deltas to a bar. Wouldn't have been an issue but he felt like it was a good idea to promote himself to major before heading out for the night.

[Mahlrem]

I hate it when anyone brings up military service (real or imagined).
The military folks worth anything will not ever bring it up. They won't see their service as a vehicle to obtain anything.

But the military is just a job and this really applies to most jobs. People who use position to attempt to obtain respect probably aren't worth respecting.


Edit: seems like my comment is being misunderstood, so let me combine those first two setences: The military folks worth anything will not ever bring up their service as a vehicle to obtain anything.

[AnticorRifling]

The military folks worth anything will not ever bring it up. They won't see their service as a vehicle to obtain anything.

But the military is just a job and this really applies to most jobs. People who use position to attempt to obtain respect probably aren't worth respecting.

I would disagree with you on a few of those points:

"The military folks worth anything will not ever bring it up." Military service isn't something to be ashamed of unless you did something shameful. A lot of guys, myself included, enjoyed the hell out service and have no issues talking about it.

"But the military is just a job..." I'll disagree there too. It's a complete lifestyle.

I will agree with you on not using military service as a vehicle to obtain anything and your statement using a position to attempt to obtain respect but on the above you are, in my opinion, way off target (like you hit the burm No impact no idea disk him a miss).

[Mahlrem]

"The military folks worth anything will not ever bring it up." Military service isn't something to be ashamed of unless you did something shameful. A lot of guys, myself included, enjoyed the hell out service and have no issues talking about it.

Maybe I didn't really explain very clearly. I wasn't saying that they won't talk about it or be ashamed of it. My second sentence is a required clarification of the first and you really can't take the first alone out of context. The original post is referring to military members who use their position in the military in order to gain the upper hand in an argument, get respect, whatever.

Fair point on the lifestyle. That varies from branch to branch and situation to situation. I shouldn't have generalized.

[irfuji]

Personally, I bring up my military service every time... When I find out someone also served. It's a good conversation regardless if we both were in the same service or not.

Most people who served wont bring it up with those who haven't because, as Anticor put it, it's a lifestyle. How do you discuss an experience that is so radically different than what most people consider "normal" with someone who hasn't experienced it?

Nothing against people who haven't served, it's just hard for them to fathom what has to be done. Even those who have never seen combat still have to go through things and do stuff that would make a regular 40 hour a week person go dizzy.

The better measuring stick, is that most military people I know of (most not all) will tell you about their service, but will typically become uncomfortable when you thank them for it. It's not that the gratitude and thank you's aren't welcomed and appreciated, it's just that most did it for personal reasons. It could be they wanted to test themselves, love of country, etc. It's just hard to say thank you for something that, when you are in, is done simply because it had to be.

[Ker_Thwap]

I just hate liars in general. I find it insulting that they think we're so very stupid that we won't notice. I've known some otherwise thoughtful, intelligent people who out of some misguided desire to be loved or respected, will spin some bullshit. I'll call these people on the bullshit, tell them they have no need to impress me, and ask them not to lie to me again. If they do, they're out of my life.

Military fakers take it to a different level. Want to be loved, fine, that's understandable. Want to be respected, do something worthy.

[SHAFT]

I love it when people fight on the Internet!

[diethx]

Most people who served wont bring it up with those who haven't because, as Anticor put it, it's a lifestyle. How do you discuss an experience that is so radically different than what most people consider "normal" with someone who hasn't experienced it?

People discuss different experiences all the time...

Would you have the same conversation with someone who was never in the military as you would someone who was? No. But that doesn't mean that it's incomprehensible and unfathomable to anyone else. It's called learning about new things. Most of us try to do it on a daily basis.

[AnticorRifling]

I love it when people fight on the Internet!

I open the distance to seven horts.

[Buckwheet]

I was shocked at how readily available patches and items were available when I was looking for a replacement M65.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-US-ARMY-ACU-MILITARY-FIELD-JACKET-COAT-M65-S-M-L-XL-w-LINER-M-65-w-PATCHES-/190585333270?pt=US_CSA_MC_Outerwear&var=&hash=item2c5fc56616

Comes right with patches and I asked the seller if he could send without patches and he misunderstood and said "What patches are you looking for?". I ended up finding a plain green one, because I couldn't stand the thought that just by wearing the ACU jacket someone might think my dumbass had been in the service or something.

But now I want a second one and well..the olive green are getting super hard to find in XL. Anyways, military fakers suck!

[Latrinsorm]

I open the distance to seven horts.Gor faker! This guy's never been in the Tarn militia! I would know because-... er, well I would just know!

[subzero]

I open the distance to seven horts.

What kind of space-age Dragonrealms shit is this?!

[cwolff]

What kind of space-age Dragonrealms shit is this?!

You don't know? Prepare to be entertained!

I don't want to to ruin it for you. Just start at the beginning and read this thread.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?53390-7-a-gallon-gas&highlight=7%24+a+gallon

[Taernath]

I was shocked at how readily available patches and items were available when I was looking for a replacement M65.


It's a byproduct of the 'wash n' wear velcro' route the Army took a while ago.

[cwolff]

I didn't realize Dave Canterbury was fired from Dual Survival for being a military faker.


Canterbury was fired at the end of season 2 for lying about his military background of all things. His claim of having 20 years of survival skills experience, including ranger, survival, scout and airborne training and service in Central America. He was in the military though. He spend 6 years in the Army with one deployment in Korea

Take the poll here. (http://k99.com/what-ever-happened-to-dave-canterbury-from-dual-survival-poll/)

[Gelston]

Never heard of him or that show.

[cwolff]

Never heard of him or that show.

It's a good show. Two guys from different backgrounds, for the drama I guess, perform in different scenarios. The new guy is a special operator with the Army. Sometimes they refer to him as SF. The other guy is (was) a survival instructor from Arizona or NM. His thing is that he's kind of a hippie and never wears shoes. He just got fired though. He says it's because he's had differences of opinion with the producers about safety issues.

[cwolff]

...and the guy who replaced the faker also has his own page on stolen valor. Apparently he said he was a combat veteran from OIF (Iraq) and OEF (Afghanistan) on his resume when actually he was discharged in 2000 and went to Iraq and Afghanistan as a security contractor.


http://scotty-stolenvaloroffendersexposed.blogspot.com/2013/05/joseph-n-teti-combat-veteran-gwot-poser.html

[waywardgs]

I don't get how anyone in the public eye thinks they can get away with this stuff. Particularly these days.

[waywardgs]

At any rate, Les Stroud could out-survivalate all these douchenozzles.

[cwolff]

I don't get how anyone in the public eye thinks they can get away with this stuff. Particularly these days.

I think I understand it now. When the casting guy from the History Channel show was interviewing me, he kept egging me on for more hyperbolic descriptions of my history. Things like "tell us why your whole life has been leading up to this moment!" and "Tell us why you are the ultimate survivalist!" He was really pushing for dramatic declarations and juiced up details about things that are rather mundane.

[cwolff]

At any rate, Les Stroud could out-survivalate all these douchenozzles.

I agree. He does a good job. Most realistic one they have on T.V. IMO.

[waywardgs]

I think I understand it now. When the casting guy from the History Channel show was interviewing me, he kept egging me on for more hyperbolic descriptions of my history. Things like "tell us why your whole life has been leading up to this moment!" and "Tell us why you are the ultimate survivalist!" He was really pushing for dramatic declarations and juiced up details about things that are rather mundane.

Sure, but you find politicians who do this, among other people. Like that Xavier Alvarez guy.

Actually, the supreme court just overturned a law that made lying about receiving medals illegal. They ruled that lying about stuff like this is protected free speech.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/us/justices-say-lying-about-military-honors-is-protected.html?_r=0

[cwolff]

Sure, but you find politicians who do this, among other people. Like that Xavier Alvarez guy.

Actually, the supreme court just overturned a law that made lying about receiving medals illegal. They ruled that lying about stuff like this is protected free speech.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/us/justices-say-lying-about-military-honors-is-protected.html?_r=0

That's true. I wonder if they have consultants or campaign type people who coach them. Hell, some folks will just exaggerate as easily as drinking water but I wonder how many of them start with a little white lie that keeps getting bigger and bigger until they're fucked.

Have you read some of the stolen valor type webpages? There are laundry lists of these idiots.

[waywardgs]

That's true. I wonder if they have consultants or campaign type people who coach them. Hell, some folks will just exaggerate as easily as drinking water but I wonder how many of them start with a little white lie that keeps getting bigger and bigger until they're fucked.

Have you read some of the stolen valor type webpages? There are laundry lists of these idiots.

Not yet, I'll take a look when I get back from my fourth tour of duty with special forces in Afghanistan.

[cwolff]

Not yet, I'll take a look when I get back from my fourth tour of duty with special forces in Afghanistan.


TSAF. Stolen valor is no joke. Report him.

Done and Done. WW, expect your own webpage soon.

[Gelston]

We had a guy running for Mayor who claimed service. He was wearing Air Force cammies with army badges and such. He got called out quick. He is still trying to run I think.

http://guardianofvalor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/melvin.jpg

There he is. He has no idea WHAT service he wants to pretend to be in.

[cwolff]

We had a guy running for Mayor who claimed service. He was wearing Air Force cammies with army badges and such. He got called out quick. He is still trying to run I think.

http://guardianofvalor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/melvin.jpg

There he is. He has no idea WHAT service he wants to pretend to be in.

Holy cow. One would think he'd google it.

[Warriorbird]

Holy cow. One would think he'd google it.

There's this thing about cheaters in America today. They're not very good at it. You'd think that when I bust students for cheating on tests they'd at least have bothered to get the right answers. Nope!

[NinjasLeadTheWay]

No one beats this guy.

http://thisainthell.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/photo-2cropped.jpg

http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=25899

[Taernath]

There he is. He has no idea WHAT service he wants to pretend to be in.

It's the polypro turtleneck that does it for me.

[Gelston]

No one beats this guy.

http://thisainthell.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/photo-2cropped.jpg

http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=25899


That pic is actually after some MPs snatched him up and brought him in the guard shack.

[TheEschaton]

I served in the Corps.

It just had "Peace" in front of it. We had to get people to like us without guns, which, imo, seems kind of unfair.

[Tisket]

That pic is actually after some MPs snatched him up and brought him in the guard shack.

Wait...what? He was walking around a military base like that?

If nothing else, he should get a medal for stupidity.

[kutter]

Wait...what? He was walking around a military base like that?

If nothing else, he should get a medal for stupidity.

He cannot get anything since he is dead now, dug around some, cannot seem to find out how he did, but it was on a military base, just nothing yet on what happened.

[NinjasLeadTheWay]

That pic is actually after some MPs snatched him up and brought him in the guard shack.

He showed up to his son's graduation ceremony from Basic Training didn't he?

[Tisket]

Is it against the law to wear a fake uniform, like impersonating a police officer?

[leifastagsweed]

I served in the Corps.

It just had "Peace" in front of it.

:socool:

[waywardgs]

He showed up to his son's graduation ceremony from Basic Training didn't he?

His stepson's dad or something. Real jerry springer shit. He was on like 4 different drugs.

He also had his dress blues bloused into some tan combat boots.

[cwolff]

His stepson's dad or something. Real jerry springer shit. He was on like 4 different drugs.

He also had his dress blues bloused into some tan combat boots.

People are crazy. In what World did he think this would get him positive attention.

[Taernath]

He showed up to his son's graduation ceremony from Basic Training didn't he?


His stepson's dad or something.

Holy shit I would hate to be that kid.

"Private, is that your dad?"

[Tgo01]

Is it against the law to wear a fake uniform, like impersonating a police officer?

I don't think it is.

[waywardgs]

It's not. Primarily because a soldier doesn't have authoritative power over civilians the way cops do.

[Taernath]

It's illegal according to 10 USC 771, but very unlikely to be prosecuted unless they were trying to pass themselves off as a military member for base access or some kind of monetary fraud.

[waywardgs]

What about Halloween??

[Tisket]

Not to mention all the surplus stores and internet sites that sell military gear. Fuckton of non military walking around in camouflage.

[waywardgs]

Yeah, you have to show some kind of employment id to buy police, fire and EMT uniforms.

[Taernath]

What about Halloween??

A faker walking around in a full uniform probably wouldn't have anything happen to them (except for getting a chocolate dipped onion or something), while someone claiming to represent a charity and soliciting donations in uniform would.


Not to mention all the surplus stores and internet sites that sell military gear. Fuckton of non military walking around in camouflage.

Keep in mind camouflage isn't considered a "uniform". You need to have the name tapes, insignia and rank to make it so.

[Latrinsorm]

A faker walking around in a full uniform probably wouldn't have anything happen to them (except for getting a chocolate dipped onion or something), while someone claiming to represent a charity and soliciting donations in uniform would.

Keep in mind camouflage isn't considered a "uniform". You need to have the name tapes, insignia and rank to make it so.You could be right, but I'd rather hear what a military man has to say on the matter. waywardgs?

[NinjasLeadTheWay]

You could be right, but I'd rather hear what a military man has to say on the matter. waywardgs?

And you might get your ass beat by actual military people depending on what you're claiming.

[Latrinsorm]

And you might get your ass beat by actual military people depending on what you're claiming.Like I said, I'd rather hear it from an actual military person. It's a good thing we have one on our forums, and a Devo aficionado at that!

[NinjasLeadTheWay]

Like I said, I'd rather hear it from an actual military person. It's a good thing we have one on our forums, and a Devo aficionado at that!

Yep, good thing there is an actual military person here. haha

6429

[Gelston]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=176729&d=1333475607

He'll be more than happy to answer any of your questions, Latrin.

[waywardgs]

Like I said, I'd rather hear it from an actual military person. It's a good thing we have one on our forums, and a Devo aficionado at that!

Even though I've attained the rank of three-stripe general of the navy, I have yet to get my merit badge in uniform etiquette. Besides, as I'm currently deployed on my eighth tour of duty flying humvees in Afghanistan, I'm not really supposed to discuss rules of endearment with civilians. Or something.

[cwolff]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=176729&d=1333475607

He'll be more than happy to answer any of your questions, Latrin.

Wow. Just WOW. He's got that Marine Corps spirit. Nothing half-ass about that poser. I almost admire him.

[Gelston]

Even though I've attained the rank of three-stripe general of the navy, I have yet to get my merit badge in uniform etiquette. Besides, as I'm currently deployed on my eighth tour of duty flying humvees in Afghanistan, I'm not really supposed to discuss rules of endearment with civilians. Or something.

Is this you?

http://www.bouhammer.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/houston_6.jpg

[cwolff]

Even though I've attained the rank of three-stripe general of the navy, I have yet to get my merit badge in uniform etiquette. Besides, as I'm currently deployed on my eighth tour of duty flying humvees in Afghanistan, I'm not really supposed to discuss rules of endearment with civilians. Or something.

That's some dangerous shit. They have a terrible glide ratio.

[waywardgs]

Is this you?

http://www.bouhammer.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/houston_6.jpg

Nah, I see two Totems of Advanced Naval Achievement of Liberty (affectionately known amongst true salty dogs as the ANAL button.) I only have one.

[NinjasLeadTheWay]

Is this you?

http://www.bouhammer.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/houston_6.jpg

WITH A FUCKING CIA LOGO on them. Good ol' Ballduster McSoulpatch.

[Wrathbringer]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=176729&d=1333475607

He'll be more than happy to answer any of your questions, Latrin.
His girth is the first clue. On the other hand, he looks good for at least 46.

[Gelston]

Well, his Navy SEAL dolphins were another thing.