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Claidhmore
04-04-2014, 12:48 PM
If GS4 was free to play, what are some of your guys's ideas about how Simu could still make money from it based on it's current mechanics?

One of the ideas I had is that they could sell semi good weapons at certain stores, such as let's say, a 4x Claid, or a 4x Perfect lance, etc., at shops throughout the lands, that a person could purchase with real Life dollars.

As far as pricing was concerned, I guess something like that could go for like $20 RL cash or something.

Maybe at those shops they could also sell pre loaded gems and items and such as well, and mid level armor with minor padding and what not. That way, the super gear that characters make for themselves would still be in high demand, but the lower tier stuff could be sold at shops throughout the lands.

I think with a system such as this that Simu could generate a reasonable amount of income even with a free to play system. There are plenty of other things they could do but this is just some of the things I have been thinking about.

Claidhmore
04-04-2014, 12:55 PM
Of course, they could still have it where people could pay with silvers too, but I suspect most people would opt for the cash instead to save the time of gathering the silvers.

Latrinsorm
04-04-2014, 01:00 PM
Capitalize on what makes GS special: personalized, custom work. GMs can register a slot for a particular price point for a particular service (short/long/scripts/whatever) and if purchased the work will be done in a specified time frame. The system automatically adjusts for burnout because the GM is the one deciding when they have time, the GM gets a cut of the money as an incentive (and because they're not student-athletes so they can't be treated like slaves), and customers don't have to worry about being on at a specific time on a specific day for an event.

A traditional thing to sell in F2P is content access. The obvious play here is to only allow F2P in WL and environs (arbitrary limit, I would say Solhaven and Icemule). This is a win-win-win-win:
1. New players win because they'll be together in a bustling frontier town.
2. Simu wins because they'll have things to sell.
3. Existing players win because they can be snooty and elitist in EN or recreate the AOL feel in WL.
4. Everyone wins because the mine carts will obviously have to be eliminated. Nobody's gonna pay $10 and then sit in carts for half an hour.

Ker_Thwap
04-04-2014, 01:11 PM
Free to play text based RP games have several common denominators. Visiting griefer trolls, and those who stand around in the town center chatting about the Superbowl who will smirk at you if you ask them to keep it in character. The monthly fee weeds out the riff raff.

Taernath
04-04-2014, 01:15 PM
- F2P level cap at 20ish, and/or restricted areas like Latrinestorm mentioned
- Larger banks/lockers/bags sold via gemstore
- buyable cosmetic items like toys, clothes, and pets
- XP & crafting boosts

waywardgs
04-04-2014, 01:16 PM
Items for cash + breakage + cash repair.

Claidhmore
04-04-2014, 01:18 PM
I was thinking that if they did have those shops, they could also offer an incentive to long time customers by offering the ability to transfer bounty points into some kind of a point system where they could purchase stuff from the shops that way too.

Claidhmore
04-04-2014, 01:20 PM
Great ideas by the way.

Claidhmore
04-04-2014, 01:28 PM
Free to play text based RP games have several common denominators. Visiting griefer trolls, and those who stand around in the town center chatting about the Superbowl who will smirk at you if you ask them to keep it in character. The monthly fee weeds out the riff raff.

lol. You are right, they would have to install some kind of punishing system in the game for people who want to abuse the rules.

Something like where if you murder someone that's outside of a certain pvp place, anywhere in the game, then your character would be hunted down and gang raped by a bunch of suped up hob goblins or somethin and then left for dead. Where people would learn fast that they just don't do those kind of things. lol.

Minus the gang raping of course.

Warriorbird
04-04-2014, 01:33 PM
Like mobile gaming the time F2P would've mattered for GS is a long while back.

Claidhmore
04-04-2014, 01:37 PM
But they should still keep the premium subscriptions and the platinum and shattered the same way they are, or perhaps lower their subscription fee just a bit. The only one they should make free should be the basic subscription. This way, it still entices new players to sign up for Premium or Platinum or Shattered if they want to, but that they don't have to, if they don't want to.

Claidhmore
04-04-2014, 01:38 PM
Oh and still charge for extra character slots even for the basic subscription. One time fees of course, like it is now.

Taernath
04-04-2014, 01:40 PM
Oh and still charge for extra character slots even for the basic subscription. One time fees of course, like it is now.

Extra character slots aren't a one time fee.

Gompers
04-04-2014, 01:45 PM
Oh and still charge for extra character slots even for the basic subscription. One time fees of course, like it is now.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/tom-delonge-wtf1.gif
Claidhmore once he checks his bank statement

Claidhmore
04-04-2014, 01:48 PM
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Claidhmore once he checks his bank statement

lol. Oh that's right I forgot. Well it's ok, I already knew that, but they probably would have to change that in a free to play environment.

Latrinsorm
04-04-2014, 01:49 PM
Free to play text based RP games have several common denominators. Visiting griefer trolls, and those who stand around in the town center chatting about the Superbowl who will smirk at you if you ask them to keep it in character. The monthly fee weeds out the riff raff.Gemstone already offers free trial accounts. If we don't have a griefer problem from them, why would we from free permanent accounts?

Claidhmore
04-04-2014, 01:50 PM
Gemstone already offers free trial accounts. If we don't have a griefer problem from them, why would we from free permanent accounts?

Simple answer, because that's where Gemstone appears to be headed.

I'm no fan of defeat either guys, trust me. But I just don't see it going any other way. They're going to have to offer free to play at some point for at least one of their subscription options, because people just aren't attracted to the game right now. Not new players. I know, it sucks. Believe me, I know.

Claidhmore
04-04-2014, 01:53 PM
Well, it's either defeat, or evolution I guess, whichever you wanna look at it as.

It's just people right now don't give a crap about the game.

Claidhmore
04-04-2014, 01:54 PM
Truth be told it might be hard to entice them with a free to play system. I just hope that's not the case.

Gelston
04-04-2014, 01:55 PM
Advertising and banner ads all over the Web page and Frontends. Creation of Coca - cola themed armor and weaponry.

waywardgs
04-04-2014, 01:56 PM
On a side note, how many PC accounts are you up to now? 15? 150?

Claidhmore
04-04-2014, 01:57 PM
On a side note, how many PC accounts are you up to now? 15? 150?

I don't know man I lost count to be honest.

waywardgs
04-04-2014, 01:58 PM
I don't know man I lost count to be honest.

lol

Claidhmore
04-04-2014, 02:00 PM
I've been trying to figure out what Simu's long term strategy for GS4 is, and at the moment, the only thing I can see, is that they are just waiting for us old players to die off (literally), and then just shut down the game and come out with something different.

Taernath
04-04-2014, 02:05 PM
We're the ones paying their bills and funding their projects, they don't want us to die. They should offer health insurance with premium and platinum membership.

Claidhmore
04-04-2014, 02:09 PM
We're the ones paying their bills and funding their projects, they don't want us to die. They should offer health insurance with premium and platinum membership.

lol. Honestly I can't remember a time where Simu didn't suck at long term strategy.

I picture two rooms, one that has a sign on the door that says immediate profit production, and the other that says long term strategy profit production, and the only room that is packed to the brim with people standing in one spot is the immediate profit room, while the other one is empty, and doesn't even have chairs and tables in it, because they didn't plan that far ahead.

Archigeek
04-04-2014, 02:09 PM
I think the right play for F2P is more along the line of what Latrinsorm laid out. Items for $'s is something to be careful with. I think it's OK to offer items forsale for cash if that's the only place you can get them, but you don't want to cut the throat of the game economy and earn the ire of your regular players by selling what they've been selling already. It's important to remember that if you're shelling out $45 a month for a text base game, you're a frickin' cash cow. As such, they shouldn't be doing anything to devalue all your stuff, by selling it for a lot less than the player market will bear.

Kithus
04-04-2014, 02:20 PM
I think F2P basic would be a boon for the platinum instance of the game. How many premium people would potentially upgrade to get away from the "riff raff?"

Claidhmore
04-04-2014, 02:21 PM
Management doesn't care what you think.

I disagree. I think they care just fine what we who pay to play think.

At this point they care about every single one of us bro. Trust me on that.

We're dwindling very rapidly now.

There's no more time for them to wonder what's going to happen when their population reaches a crucial point. It's already here.

So what I'm doing, is making it easier for them to transition. By having the player base come up with ideas for it. Which is exactly what they would want. Because it saves them the time of having to do it themselves.

Claidhmore
04-04-2014, 02:24 PM
If this thread keeps putting out good ideas like it has been, they will visit it. GM's will be all over it eventually.

Claidhmore
04-04-2014, 02:24 PM
Hell you might even have somebody from top level come in here and take a look at it.

Anytime there's good ideas for profit when there's no choice involved, people are gonna take a look.

Viekn
04-04-2014, 02:26 PM
As a basic subscriber, IF a free to play option is introduced, I for one hope that I have the choice of whether to pay 15/month for basic but have no restrictions, OR the free to play option but with restrictions. It's not that I can't pay 40/month for premium, I just don't want to. So don't hamstring me by taking away my 15/month option and then restricting what I can do in game; just because I don't feel like paying 40/month for premium. If that's going to be the case, at least lower premium to something like 25/month.

Whirlin
04-04-2014, 02:26 PM
The only way I see F2P working for gemstone is if they allowed people to buy real estate with their cash.

Because the only reason people play gemstone is for profit.

In fact, I already told like, 3 cashiers that they could make 10 times their income by investing in Gemstone real estate. I've also taken out a couple ads that I've deployed on porn sites.

This game will be booming once people realize how much money there is to be made.

Warriorbird
04-04-2014, 02:31 PM
If this thread keeps putting out good ideas like it has been, they will visit it. GM's will be all over it eventually.

GMs have little to do with the real decisions.

Claidhmore
04-04-2014, 02:32 PM
I mean best thing they could do, honestly, is just turn all their attention towards free to play. Start doing research, looking up all the free to play MMO's out there, figure out which ones have the best system, copy it somewhat, adjust it for themselves, then make sure not to upset the player base here by taking away the economy as you said, because if they piss off the people here they probably lose about 85% of their player base, then the game goes into the toilet. It's just simple stuff they should start doing man I mean I'm lookin at the in game population right now man and I can't help but cup my face and shake my head.

Jhynnifer
04-04-2014, 02:36 PM
If this thread keeps putting out good ideas like it has been, they will visit it. GM's will be all over it eventually.

This will never happen. They're unwilling to lose subscription fees in the hopes that going to a F2P model will sustain them and prove to be more profitable.

Warriorbird
04-04-2014, 03:06 PM
Banned.

Ah good. This thread got the attention it deserves.

Ker_Thwap
04-04-2014, 03:20 PM
Gemstone already offers free trial accounts. If we don't have a griefer problem from them, why would we from free permanent accounts?

Oh, you meant free to play with a valid credit card? Take a day or two, sign up and play just five free to play MUDs, your choice. Report back with your experience.

Tisket
04-04-2014, 03:33 PM
AR is on the ball today.

Latrinsorm
04-04-2014, 04:18 PM
Oh, you meant free to play with a valid credit card? Take a day or two, sign up and play just five free to play MUDs, your choice. Report back with your experience.I have played four F2P MMORPGs (Perfect World, DDO, Runescape, MapleStory), and I never saw visiting griefers. There were of course griefers, but they were universally old hands at the games in question - and this makes sense. To grief you have to know how the game works. If you'd never played baseball before you would have a hard time intentionally misplaying it at all, let alone in a way that would elicit frustration from the other players.

The idea that F2P opens the griefer floodgates is on the level of the idea that F2P games don't generate revenue. It's common sense true, but doesn't hold empirical water and is therefore false.

SHAFT
04-04-2014, 04:23 PM
I wouldn't worry about griefers in GS. There are ways to deal with them.

Candor
04-04-2014, 04:27 PM
The only way I see F2P working for gemstone is if they allowed people to buy real estate with their cash.

Because the only reason people play gemstone is for profit.

In fact, I already told like, 3 cashiers that they could make 10 times their income by investing in Gemstone real estate. I've also taken out a couple ads that I've deployed on porn sites.

This game will be booming once people realize how much money there is to be made.

I realize some people play GSIV only for profit, but I am not one of them. I also rarely buy game items with real dollars.

However I have no issue with anyone who wants to make money from the game.

Warriorbird
04-04-2014, 04:29 PM
I realize some people play GSIV only for profit, but I am not one of them. I rarely buy game items with real dollars.

I am not alone in this position.

He was parodying the now banned original poster.

Tisket
04-04-2014, 04:33 PM
He was parodying the now banned original poster.

Don't give him a guidebook. It ruins the funny!

Candor
04-04-2014, 04:33 PM
He was parodying the now banned original poster.

Click.

Candor
04-04-2014, 04:33 PM
Don't give him a guidebook. It ruins the funny!

The laughter works in both directions.

Tisket
04-04-2014, 04:35 PM
The laughter works in both directions.

Not in your case.

Hey, someone had to break it to you!

Candor
04-04-2014, 04:40 PM
Not in your case.

Hey, someone had to break it to you!

You honestly don't think I laugh at you? A lot?

Whatever. Keep posting :)

Tisket
04-04-2014, 04:47 PM
You honestly don't think I laugh at you? A lot?

I certainly hope so.

Never take anything I say seriously.

leifastagsweed
04-04-2014, 05:08 PM
Could someone please explain why the OP was banned...?

Jhynnifer
04-04-2014, 05:15 PM
Maybe he was whining all over the boards about how people were always so mean to him, spreading lies and terrible, terrible things. Then maybe someone found out he was doing the same thing he was always so loudly protesting against?

Or maybe he's just a guy who keeps making PC names, after being banned, for the sole purpose of trolling.

Either way...

SHAFT
04-04-2014, 05:15 PM
Could someone please explain why the OP was banned...?

Probably same IP address as another banned user. Looked like inspire to me.

Jhynnifer
04-04-2014, 05:17 PM
Probably same IP address as another banned user. Looked like inspire to me.

I'd vote Gemstones, that guy who got a warning in game because he would spam people with the PC's website every time they walked into TSC.

leifastagsweed
04-04-2014, 05:21 PM
Probably same IP address as another banned user. Looked like inspire to me.

Ahh, thanks for that response. I was curious because I didn't see any offensive posts, which I see every day from regular users. I suppose that makes sense if they have previously been an asshat via another IP address. Transparency and all that.

FlayedAngel
04-04-2014, 05:27 PM
I'd vote Gemstones, that guy who got a warning in game because he would spam people with the PC's website every time they walked into TSC.
I still don't think that's IW, but... iono.

Back
04-04-2014, 05:28 PM
Ahh, thanks for that response. I was curious because I didn't see any offensive posts, which I see every day from regular users. I suppose that makes sense if they have previously been an asshat via another IP address. Transparency and all that.

People generally only get banned if they are creating another login to circumvent a previous ban, are trying to impersonate someone, or sharing their account info with another person.

FlayedAngel
04-04-2014, 05:28 PM
Never take anything I say seriously.
GET OFF MY SHIT, TISKET

Taernath
04-04-2014, 05:29 PM
He's ok provided he stays on his meds, otherwise he starts ranting about economics and religion, and sending weirdly hostile rep to other posters.

Right now he's probably just being banned for ban evasion.

cwolff
04-04-2014, 05:34 PM
I still don't think that's IW, but... iono.

IW's been posting regularly from another account for a while and he hasn't hidden the fact that he's the same poster. I don't think that person is banned anymore.

SHAFT
04-04-2014, 05:37 PM
IW's been posting regularly from another account for a while and he hasn't hidden the fact that he's the same poster. I don't think that person is banned anymore.

My suspicions ring true! IW is latrin, who is ClydeR.

FlayedAngel
04-04-2014, 05:38 PM
I don't really know IW, he's never really seemed all that bad to me.... but maybe I missed some shenanigans back in the day, heh.

cwolff
04-04-2014, 05:41 PM
I don't really know IW, he's never really seemed all that bad to me.... but maybe I missed some shenanigans back in the day, heh.

I think that's true. I just got to PC about a year ago and started hearing about him there and on LNET. Then I met him IG. It was like myth come to life. He'll still get up to some minor shenanigans but nothing like I used to hear about. I'm not well versed in the history by any means but the dude seems pretty solid now....at least as solid as txt based gamers can be. LOL

Ker_Thwap
04-04-2014, 05:44 PM
I have played four F2P MMORPGs (Perfect World, DDO, Runescape, MapleStory), and I never saw visiting griefers. There were of course griefers, but they were universally old hands at the games in question - and this makes sense. To grief you have to know how the game works. If you'd never played baseball before you would have a hard time intentionally misplaying it at all, let alone in a way that would elicit frustration from the other players.

The idea that F2P opens the griefer floodgates is on the level of the idea that F2P games don't generate revenue. It's common sense true, but doesn't hold empirical water and is therefore false.

Right, because there's RP to grief in MMORPGs? I could care squat about the revenue, I only care about my RP experience.

Latrinsorm
04-04-2014, 05:44 PM
My suspicions ring true! IW is latrin, which is ClydeR.All praise be to Allah.

Latrinsorm
04-04-2014, 05:46 PM
Right, because there's RP to grief in MMORPGs? I could care squat about the revenue, I only care about my RP experience.We are apparently operating under different definitions of grief, but the same logic applies. My proposal would keep your RP experience safe anyway.

Jhynnifer
04-04-2014, 06:32 PM
I don't really know IW, he's never really seemed all that bad to me.... but maybe I missed some shenanigans back in the day, heh.


He still pushes the boundaries of being a really annoying troll, but as soon as enough people bitch about it he gets all contrite about it and promises to behave. A bit of time passes and the shenanigans start up again... it's a vicious cycle.

Taernath
04-04-2014, 06:58 PM
Right, because there's RP to grief in MMORPGs? I could care squat about the revenue, I only care about my RP experience.

http://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/p712/dtbrown082/rp_zpsa7393126.jpg

Ker_Thwap
04-04-2014, 07:47 PM
http://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/p712/dtbrown082/rp_zpsa7393126.jpg

I'd tell you that you wasted your time making that in meme style. Decades of first hand experience has taught me that free games suck badly for RP. Some of you seem to be laboring under the delusion that if the game were "free", then hundreds of creative individuals would suddenly find the game and become involved in the community. What's more likely to happen is that the intelligent people will realize that this version of "free" is nothing more than a cheesy teaser mode that will suck them into paying just as much in the long run to keep those perks coming. No one I hang out with likes to be a sucker.

Taernath
04-04-2014, 08:39 PM
I'd tell you that you wasted your time making that in meme style. Decades of first hand experience has taught me that free games suck badly for RP.

This might come as a surprise to you, but almost every poster on this board started playing GS in the 90's and early 00's. Everyone here has 'decades of experience' whether it be with GS, MUDs, or modern MMOs.


Some of you seem to be laboring under the delusion that if the game were "free", then hundreds of creative individuals would suddenly find the game and become involved in the community.

They absolutely would. Scan topmudsites and other forums, and you'll quickly see the monthly subscription is the main thing holding people back. A larger playerbase absolutely does increase the amount of RP. As for griefing, for all its faults GS has handled the non-RPer question pretty well. They got a seperate table to sit at where they won't be bothered and they won't bother anyone else. As long as the status quo is maintained and enforced, everything would work out to your advantage.


What's more likely to happen is that the intelligent people will realize that this version of "free" is nothing more than a cheesy teaser mode that will suck them into paying just as much in the long run to keep those perks coming. No one I hang out with likes to be a sucker.

'Intelligent' people get fooled just like everyone else. Skinner was a crazy motherfucker.

Warriorbird
04-04-2014, 09:02 PM
As too late as it is I doubt F2Play would have any worse impact than AOL, which brought a lot of people to play.

Latrinsorm
04-04-2014, 09:02 PM
I'd tell you that you wasted your time making that in meme style. Decades of first hand experience has taught me that free games suck badly for RP. Some of you seem to be laboring under the delusion that if the game were "free", then hundreds of creative individuals would suddenly find the game and become involved in the community. What's more likely to happen is that the intelligent people will realize that this version of "free" is nothing more than a cheesy teaser mode that will suck them into paying just as much in the long run to keep those perks coming. No one I hang out with likes to be a sucker.I predict the outcome will lie somewhere between hundreds of creative individuals and swarms of griefers, and closer to the former than the latter.

Gelston
04-04-2014, 10:39 PM
Less is actually better for RP. If you had GS with 4000 RPers it would be amazing. Even when GS was free on AOL after all games became unlimited it was never a bastion of RP. Low numbers are far better for RP. Look at plat for instance. Even if you are a powerleveler, you are basically guilted into RP.

Warriorbird
04-04-2014, 10:41 PM
Less is actually better for RP. If you had GS with 4000 RPers it would be amazing. Even when GS was free on AOL after all games became unlimited it was never a bastion of RP. Low numbers are far better for RP. Look at plat for instance. Even if you are a powerleveler, you are basically guilted into RP.

Plat RP has always seemed the "OMG LOOK AT ME!" variety to me. I think your number of total roleplayers is higher with 4000 than 200. A lot of the people that we think of as roleplayers would've never found GS without AOL too.

diethx
04-05-2014, 07:29 PM
This guy is so boring. All these banned handles would at least be entertaining if meltdowns were involved... he's just spam posting about GS.

Speaking of which, you PC people need to liven things up a bit. It's been boring around here lately.

Wrathbringer
04-05-2014, 07:42 PM
This guy is so boring. All these banned handles would at least be entertaining if meltdowns were involved... he's just spam posting about GS.

Speaking of which, you PC people need to liven things up a bit. It's been boring around here lately.

Yeah, he could at least give each one a completely different personality. The guy has no imagination at all.

Jeril
04-05-2014, 10:05 PM
This guy is so boring. All these banned handles would at least be entertaining if meltdowns were involved... he's just spam posting about GS.

Speaking of which, you PC people need to liven things up a bit. It's been boring around here lately.

Why don't you do something about it then? :P

diethx
04-05-2014, 11:55 PM
Why don't you do something about it then? :P

I did - I politely requested that everyone be more entertaining!

Malisai
04-06-2014, 12:10 AM
I think GS4 has two major issues that need to be addressed before new players will ever consider playing.

The first is that the information for the game cannot be found on the website. You end up doing what i did, stacking primary stats high and others low and rerolling once you figured out you did everything wrong. its a bit better now with the 30 day start, but Simu needs to update their information.

the second is leveling. For us its pretty fast, but for a new person it wont be. i would say, really cut down the xp required for the first 30-40 levels and add the amount of xp needed on the back end. so the total amount of xp required to cap is the same, but new players can end up with a character thats mostly at the turning point when the grind kicks in.


i woud say that Simu should sell alters and recharging for cash. require a paid winning items/services at events, but let free accounts hit the shops and such if they get a ticket.

Gelston
04-06-2014, 12:16 AM
Plat RP has always seemed the "OMG LOOK AT ME!" variety to me. I think your number of total roleplayers is higher with 4000 than 200. A lot of the people that we think of as roleplayers would've never found GS without AOL too.

Yes, there would be more. There would also be a lot more who don't and don't care. It breaks immersion, IMO.

Taernath
04-06-2014, 01:47 AM
Yes, there would be more. There would also be a lot more who don't and don't care. It breaks immersion, IMO.

You know what breaks immersion for me? The sheer emptiness of the game. :/

Gelston
04-06-2014, 01:50 AM
You know what breaks immersion for me? The sheer emptiness of the game. :/

I think having around 100 dedicated RPers and no one else would make GS pretty awesome. Especially keeping the Plat portal system.

Taernath
04-06-2014, 01:58 AM
I think having around 100 dedicated RPers and no one else would make GS pretty awesome. Especially keeping the Plat portal system.

Just move to plat and let the unwashed plebs have f2p rabble rabble rabble.

Tisket
04-06-2014, 02:25 AM
Yeah, he could at least give each one a completely different personality. The guy has no imagination at all.

He doesn't care about being convincing. He only cares about being annoying. He just does it on weekends because Anticor doesn't monitor activity then.

HeExalts
04-06-2014, 03:08 PM
I guess here's the magic question. What free mud out there has the highest population? Second, what is that population? Or in other words, how many people are playing it daily?

This gives an idea of what GS4 would get in terms of extra players even if it was free to play.

RagingThrak
04-06-2014, 03:11 PM
He doesn't care about being convincing. He only cares about being annoying. He just does it on weekends because Anticor doesn't monitor activity then.

In another thread, he inferred that he is on medication.

HeExalts
04-06-2014, 03:15 PM
In another thread, he inferred that he is on medication.

Dr. Thrak the self proclaimed Christian who bares no fruit as far as my eyes can see. How are you sir?

Also, there is a chance that some new players are going to join when the new profession gunslinger comes out. But it might be a small percentage at best.

However, it is going to attract a lot of people who don't have that sword and shield mind set out there. There are many people who are into guns.

HeExalts
04-06-2014, 03:16 PM
So there might be a slight increase in population in the lands pretty soon.

Not as much as we would get if the basic subscription was free to play though.

RagingThrak
04-06-2014, 03:22 PM
Dr. Thrak the self proclaimed Christian who bares no fruit as far as my eyes can see. How are you sir?

Also, there is a chance that some new players are going to join when the new profession gunslinger comes out. But it might be a small percentage at best.

However, it is going to attract a lot of people who don't have that sword and shield mind set out there. There are many people who are into guns.

Why are you assuming we're talking about you? Your name was not mentioned in the discussion chain to which I replied.

Wrathbringer
04-06-2014, 03:24 PM
Why are you assuming we're talking about you? Your name was not mentioned in the discussion chain to which I replied.

Either you're the same person as Hedouches or you're an idiot for feeding the trolls. One of the two.

HeExalts
04-06-2014, 03:24 PM
Why are you assuming we're talking about you? Your name was not mentioned in the discussion chain to which I replied.

Or, we could always just stick to the topic of the thread. I don't know.....

RagingThrak
04-06-2014, 03:38 PM
Either you're the same person as Hedouches or you're an idiot for feeding the trolls. One of the two.

I don't think he's an intentional troll. He has psychological issues and is just being himself.

HeExalts
04-06-2014, 03:59 PM
I'm always prepared for a huge surprise though.

Just the mere fact that gunslingers are coming out could end up bringing something like 500 people back into the lands or something. I don't know. I'm always ready for anything on this Earth. Sometimes math just doesn't have anything to do with it.

For example. There are over 7 billion people on this planet, as we speak. With that in mind, there are less than 300 people playing GS4 every day. How does that even compute?

RagingThrak
04-06-2014, 04:04 PM
I'm always prepared for a huge surprise though.

Just the mere fact that gunslingers are coming out could end up bringing something like 500 people back into the lands or something. I don't know. I'm always ready for anything on this Earth. Sometimes math just doesn't have anything to do with it.

For example. There are over 7 billion people on this planet, as we speak. With that in mind, there are less than 300 people playing GS4 every day. How does that even compute?

Gunslingers are not "coming out."

HeExalts
04-06-2014, 04:04 PM
Gunslingers are not "coming out."

They'll be out before you know it.

RagingThrak
04-06-2014, 04:07 PM
They'll be out before you know it.

Negative, ghostrider. There are no plans to even start designing gunslingers.

HeExalts
04-06-2014, 04:11 PM
Negative, ghostrider. There are no plans to even start designing gunslingers.

Sure there aren't.

RagingThrak
04-06-2014, 04:13 PM
Sure there aren't.

You are off your meds (again). Good-bye, HeExalts.

waywardgs
04-06-2014, 04:30 PM
Gunslingers are not "coming out."

http://derekwinnert.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/images34.jpg

HeExalts
04-06-2014, 04:49 PM
http://www.hyaenidae.org/uploads/images/aardwolf%20pix/aardwolf3.jpg

http://www.hyaenidae.org/the-hyaenidae/aardwolf-proteles-cristatus.html

lol. For all our knowledge, in the end, it amounted to nothing.

FlayedAngel
04-07-2014, 05:33 PM
Red Rep: IF GS4 Was Free To Play
you must be new here

This isn't a secret. Been playing like, all of 2 years.

FlayedAngel
04-07-2014, 05:34 PM
Gunslingers are not "coming out."

http://derekwinnert.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/images34.jpg
Nicely done, been waiting for that one... hahahaha.

Tisket
04-07-2014, 06:01 PM
lol. For all our knowledge, in the end, it amounted to nothing.

Now he's quoting posts of his own that don't even exist.

Deep.

Warriorbird
04-07-2014, 06:30 PM
Now he's quoting posts of his own that don't even exist.

Deep.

Post leecher. They can copy other derp threads with scripts, basically.

diethx
04-07-2014, 07:15 PM
Red Rep: IF GS4 Was Free To Play
you must be new here

This isn't a secret. Been playing like, all of 2 years.

Whoa, really?

HeExalts
04-07-2014, 09:20 PM
Red Rep: IF GS4 Was Free To Play
you must be new here

This isn't a secret. Been playing like, all of 2 years.

Like I said, for all our knowledge, it amounted to nothing.

HeExalts
04-07-2014, 09:22 PM
A muskrat can do things that I can't too.

HeExalts
04-07-2014, 09:23 PM
But at the end of the day, who cares?

RagingThrak
04-07-2014, 10:03 PM
Now he's quoting posts of his own that don't even exist.

Deep.

To be fair, I am not HeExalts and I did post that message accidentally in this thread. I deleted it because I meant to post it in the Bump GS4 thread. However, I have no idea what his reply means.

Gelston
04-07-2014, 10:05 PM
You both started posting again around the same time. COINCIDENCE OR NOT?!?

RagingThrak
04-07-2014, 10:15 PM
You both started posting again around the same time. COINCIDENCE OR NOT?!?

At first, I thought coincidence. But lately, I've had the unsettling suspicion that he keeps refreshing my profile page and waits for me to sign on.

waywardgs
04-07-2014, 10:49 PM
At first, I thought coincidence. But lately, I've had the unsettling suspicion that he keeps refreshing my profile page and waits for me to sign on.

It's almost as if he's in the house with you...

Velfi
04-07-2014, 11:12 PM
He's Tyler Hurrden!

diethx
04-07-2014, 11:19 PM
He's Tyler Hurrden!

I lol'd.

waywardgs
04-07-2014, 11:47 PM
me 2

FlayedAngel
04-08-2014, 12:08 AM
He's Tyler Hurrden!

http://goo.gl/EkJCOr

HeExalts
04-08-2014, 12:20 AM
http://goo.gl/EkJCOr

John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.