Elder Scrolls Online

[Gelston]

Figured I'd make a new topic since it isn't discussing Beta sign ups anymore. I just preordered this on Amazon, but I haven't gotten my early access code. Does it usually take a little bit? Is there something else I have to do?

Starting PC List:
@Ruty1532
@Anonymous_Clay
@Anebriated
@Nilandia
@Gelston
@Teveriel

[Nilandia]

I bought it through the ESO online store and didn't have to enter any codes, so I don't know what to tell you. Feel free to send a friend request to @Nilandia once you get in game, and if you play Aldmeri Dominion we could quest together. I would recommend considering the upgrade to Imperial Edition, since you get a horse for 1 gold at the stable on all of your characters. Otherwise it's over 14k for a basic horse. I also don't know if you get the Explorer's Pack from Amazon that would let you play any race in any faction, but it might be a factor.

Gretchen

[Glitch]

I'm on early access, add @Anonymous_Clay if you're so inclined. So far just trying out all the classes and some builds, lots of messing around.

I'm on the Ebonhearrt side, as that's where a couple friends started and I had the option to pick mine. Huzzah for throwing money at things.

[Gelston]

I called Amazon, they said it hadn't generated and that I should get it soon. Well, I hope it comes before the regular launch. And yeah, I got the Imperial Edition. You get the explorer pack too, and a $5 amazon games gift certificate.

[Anebriated]

Im ebonheart pact as well. @Anebriated

Wouldnt worry too much about early access. Its been down and buggy for a good portion of the early "access" period.

[Jace Solo]

Starting PC List:
@Ruty1532
@Anonymous_Clay
@Anebriated

[Gelston]

I went ahead and put that in the OP.

[Gelston]

Holy crap, the gold spammers are insane.

[Loyrl]

It isn't an mmo with out gold spammers! I wish I had time to play this. I had fun in beta, besides the bugged quests, which I have read still happen quite a bit. So if the game sticks around for a while I may pick it up depending on how school and life is going.

[Anebriated]

most of the early bugged quests have been fixed now. Was a little rough for the first few days.

[Taernath]

Holy crap, the gold spammers are insane.

How could anyone possibly have enough gold to sell? Are there people already in the end-game?

[Gelston]

How could anyone possibly have enough gold to sell? Are there people already in the end-game?

To be fair, they are charging like $50 for like 20k. I'm thinking that is probably not a lot of gold.

[Anebriated]

theres one guy in my guild who is already 45... gold seems to be going for $2 per 1k or so.

[Glitch]

Like every MMO (besides EVE), I immediately have to create a second chat tab, and disable local on my main window.

I've always wondered what a modern-day game would be like if the company that ran it enforced RP like Simu used to. It'll never happen, of course, but would be an interesting experience.

[Gelston]

Well, got some patches. Been a little over 4 hours. I blame Simutronics.

[Anebriated]

yesterday the game was down from roughly midnight EST until about 1pm... How do you like it so far?

[Anebriated]

games up

[Jace Solo]

Enjoying it. I'm an IMP DK with Covenant. Ran Spindlegultch for the first time last night. I'm glad it wasn't a cake walk. The grouping dynamic is more like City of Heroes so tanks really have to be on their toes and DPS has to keep an eye on any mobs rushing the healer.
We ran it with tank, two melee dps and a healer. A caster dps would have been helpful.

Definitely enjoyable.

[Gelston]

I have an Imp dk, but I'm loving my Bret Sorc now.

[Nilandia]

Since our guild is in a Cyrodiil campaign that has utterly obliterated any opposition, we've been doing skyshard runs while we still get the chance. Today we started at 2pm Eastern and ended around 1am, but we got all of them in all of the faction territories.

Best part was getting past an enemy's gate and picking off a couple stragglers who were foolish enough to get in our way toward the next shard, only to be cut down when 15 guys on horses suddenly zerg rushed the 8 of us. That and making fun of the Bosmer's pony since it was shorter than everyone else's horse.

Gretchen

[Anebriated]

what level is everyone up to so far? Im sitting at 22 and just shy of 20 in both blacksmithing and woodworking

[Nilandia]

I'm taking my time with leveling and just hit 15 last night. I'm spending more time searching for crafting materials than I am working on levels.

Gretchen

[Glitch]

just hit 19, I've run out of quests a few times and am pretty much always questing like 5 levels above. I like a challenge though, so it works.

[SpiffyJr]

You're probably missing stuff, then. Head to every marker and "empty" spot on your map and you'll likely find a new quest area. I just entered Shadowfen and hit 25 right before I ran out of quests in the last zone. Leveling is pretty much right on par with where I need to be.

[Jace Solo]

Yeah, I can agree with that. I'm just hitting 15. Gelston and I were leveling a bit together then next thing I know he's burned past me a few levels. I blame LSU.

[Taernath]

http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-SgspgPN/0/1050x10000/i-SgspgPN-1050x10000.jpg

[Gelston]

Hit 27 last night. I must have missed quests some where, because I am always like 5 levels under my current area. It is fine, because Sorcs are easy mode. I solo elites 5 levels up and never get hit.

I used to be all about melee, but I like magic more now. Odd.

[Nilandia]

Sending my minions in to fight the maomer pirates!

[Gelston]

I'm in the Alik'r desert now. This place blows. I always hate desert in games. It is a small area, hopefully I can get through it quick. I do love the sandstorms that make everything hard to see though.

[Gelston]

At level 30, I have Max Magicka(1188), Spell Resistance(1100), and Armor(1024) all overcharged. Magicka recovery WAS overcharged until I took off the ring. I'm pretty certain my health is a hair away from being overcharged too. Sorcs are just too easy!

Find my first artifact too. It was off a trash mob, too bad it is a weapon I can't use. Well, I can, since you can use any weapon, but it isn't one I want to use. Although, honestly, I could probably be a tanking sorc. A torc? A sank? Whatever!

Oh, to add on to that post... I am also a vampire now. Anyone want to get bit? I can bite one person every 7 days. If you are below 30, the quest might be a little difficult for you (you have to kill a bunch of level 40 mobs). It'd be easiest if you are Covenant, but I suppose for the others, we could meet up in Cyrodil. Oh yeah, I'll do this for free since I myself didn't pay for it either. I found the NPC lurking in the woods.

[Jarvan]

The fact that you are already 30 is just... nuts.

[Taernath]

Oh, to add on to that post... I am also a vampire now. Anyone want to get bit? I can bite one person every 7 days. If you are below 30, the quest might be a little difficult for you (you have to kill a bunch of level 40 mobs). It'd be easiest if you are Covenant, but I suppose for the others, we could meet up in Cyrodil. Oh yeah, I'll do this for free since I myself didn't pay for it either. I found the NPC lurking in the woods.

That's pretty cool that they have vampirism in ESO. Do they have lycanthropy too? Are there any drawbacks to being one? Do you see it turning into something like post-NGE Star Wars where a difficult to acquire but powerful 'class' is suddenly made easily available?

I suppose I could google this but I'm pretty lazy.

[Gelston]

They have Lycan also. Vampires are 50% more susceptible to fire and werewolves are 50% to poison and something else. The fighter's guild also have passives that destroy vampires in pvp... If anyone ever bothers to level that up. Vampires tend to be better for heavier magic users and night blades while werewolves would be your more physical types.

It is balanced pretty well I think. People can basically spec against them... As for common, it already seems common and easy to obtain to me.

[Taernath]

Do NPCs react if/when you shift in front of them? Do vampires burn in the sunlight?

[Gelston]

Do NPCs react if/when you shift in front of them? Do vampires burn in the sunlight?

Werewolves shift from an ultimate ability. Maxed out they can do it for 2 minutes every 5 minutes, or with a group of 4 other werewolf players, for 2:36.

No, vamps don't burn in the sunlight. They are actually a sort of different kind in this game. They are called "Scions". It'd be way too much of a pain in the ass to burn in sunlight though. You'd be barred from playing for like 12 hours out of the day. I am pretty certain the day/night scale is 4 hour rotations.

[Tisket]

I think I'm going to try this.

[Taernath]

No, vamps don't burn in the sunlight. They are actually a sort of different kind in this game. They are called "Scions".

Do they sparkle?


I think I'm going to try this.

Y'all are fucked.

[Gelston]

Do they sparkle?

.

No! We are cool vampires! We ummm.. Look like goths. :/

[Tisket]

Y'all are fucked.

I level slower than anyone I know. I have very limited play time.

Unless I can get my husband interested. If he starts playing too he gets impatient and levels my characters for me.

[Nilandia]

The fact that you are already 30 is just... nuts.
We have a couple players in our guild that already hit the level 50 cap and are now veteran rank 2, if not higher.

I just hit level 20 today. I feel like such an underachiever.

Gretchen

[Palcron]

Don't feel bad, I'm only 9 and I had 4 days of early access. I'll find some time here soon, however, so I should make up at least some ground. Very entertaining thus far, and I hear it gets better as you go.

[SHAFT]

I think I'm going to try this.

Ditto. Was just reading through the thread thinking the same thing. Too many fucking good games to play. I still have to finish dark souls 2.

[Nilandia]

A LOL Brielus if ever there was one. Now I gotta go find him to tell him his girl is pregnant!

Gretchen

[SpiffyJr]

At level 30, I have Max Magicka(1188), Spell Resistance(1100), and Armor(1024) all overcharged. Magicka recovery WAS overcharged until I took off the ring. I'm pretty certain my health is a hair away from being overcharged too. Sorcs are just too easy!

Find my first artifact too. It was off a trash mob, too bad it is a weapon I can't use. Well, I can, since you can use any weapon, but it isn't one I want to use. Although, honestly, I could probably be a tanking sorc. A torc? A sank? Whatever!

Oh, to add on to that post... I am also a vampire now. Anyone want to get bit? I can bite one person every 7 days. If you are below 30, the quest might be a little difficult for you (you have to kill a bunch of level 40 mobs). It'd be easiest if you are Covenant, but I suppose for the others, we could meet up in Cyrodil. Oh yeah, I'll do this for free since I myself didn't pay for it either. I found the NPC lurking in the woods.

I could go for a bite. Been trying to get vampirism for a while now.

[Jarvan]

A LOL Brielus if ever there was one. Now I gotta go find him to tell him his girl is pregnant!

Gretchen

Ok... I got to admit.. that is funny.

[Gelston]

Okay. I just hit vampire level 6, so I can now turn people 7 days a week. I don't think there is a ritual site in Cyrodil, so you'll have to be able to get to Covenant land.

[Jace Solo]

22 or so on my DK.
Have a little LVL 10 healer templar I wanna try in a dungeon before I put all my eggs in the basket.

Despite my earlier issues with it...the game is good. It is fun and it's going to suck up a lot of time. Which is very bad. Very.

[Gelston]

Hey I am only 20 levels above you now. Up in coldharbor. Zone chat is soooooooo much better because there aren't very many people there yet.

[Nilandia]

Meh, I turn off zone chat whenever I log in. Too many spam messages.

Gretchen

[Gelston]

Got to 44, one of the main quest line quests in Coldharbour doesn't work so... I can either grind out the last 6 levels or wait until they fix it. I'm probably going to wait. I hit vampire level 9 today as well.

[RagingThrak]

Has anyone gotten to level 50 yet? How long did it take? What's end-game like and how much longer do you see yourself playing the game?

[RagingThrak]

(Can't find my other post to edit.)

Also, what's the better resource - UESP or Elder Scrolls Wiki?

[Thondalar]

Has anyone gotten to level 50 yet? How long did it take? What's end-game like and how much longer do you see yourself playing the game?

It's been live what...a week?

[Nilandia]

I'm only 24, but there are a few in my guild that are at 50 and have started into veteran ranks. I believe the highest are V3 or V4.

Also, ESOHead or Tamriel Foundry are good places to start for info. Google is your friend.

Gretchen

[Atlanteax]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Classic WoW, it took most people 1-3 months to hit the L50 level cap?

[Atlanteax]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Classic WoW, it took most people 1-3 months to hit the L50 level cap?

I miss how MMOs were slow gradual leveling like that.

[Jarvan]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Classic WoW, it took most people 1-3 months to hit the L50 level cap?

I miss how MMOs were slow gradual leveling like that.

And now you can buy max level in WoW directly from Blizzard for cash!!

People hit 50 in FF 14 in a weekend. Most games are like that now, super fast to cap... then nothing to do. Then the people bitch about no content at cap. And demand updates for content.. just for them basically.

One reason why I loved DAoC, 3 faction war. with a REASON to go to war. Most of these games, you pvp, but there is no point to it.

[AnticorRifling]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Classic WoW, it took most people 1-3 months to hit the L50 level cap?

I miss how MMOs were slow gradual leveling like that.

I'll correct you. The level cap was 60. But it was just like anything else, some people raced to the cap stupid fast, other people took forever. But I think a month and change was about average to hit that first cap.

Vanilla - 60
TBC - 70
Wrath - 80
Cata - 85
MoP - 90
WoD - 100

[Whirlin]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Classic WoW, it took most people 1-3 months to hit the L50 level cap?

I miss how MMOs were slow gradual leveling like that.

TERA has a relatively slow leveling pace... Definitely a game I recommend to check out... F2P now too, so no harm in trying.

[Taernath]

But I think a month and change was about average to hit that first cap.

A little over a month sounds about right for the average player. It was hard to level fast back then because higher level zones had elite mobs and the quests often had weird design. Plus the reduced XP; you used to have to do nearly all the quests in every zone to hit max.

[Gelston]

They have already announced a new endgame zone. If they keep pace and put out content often it will be amazing. Part of the main quest that leads to the endgame area was broken. We sat around for like 12 hours waiting. Finally got it about an hour ago. Heard it broke again though. Looks like people who made it past will have a sizeable lead in Veteran levels.

[Atlanteax]

I'll correct you. The level cap was 60. But it was just like anything else, some people raced to the cap stupid fast, other people took forever. But I think a month and change was about average to hit that first cap.


A little over a month sounds about right for the average player. It was hard to level fast back then because higher level zones had elite mobs and the quests often had weird design. Plus the reduced XP; you used to have to do nearly all the quests in every zone to hit max.

Okay the L50 I must had been thinking of was AION. WoW Classic took me about 2 months, and I was playing multiple hours a day. And yes, sometimes you had to fully clear entire zones to be able to level. So as a result, it really did foster the feeling of a long journey, when you had do any major traveling by foot & boat. I remember feeling overwhelmed by the time/effort it took to get from Stormwind to the Menthril harbor area, to be able to go to Darnassus.

[Gelston]

I've only done quests in this game. Grinded out maybe two levels total. I doubt I'd have advanced this fast if I had to grind.

[Nilandia]

A lot of the people who are veterans have probably played a lot of the beta and know exactly how to level fast, so it's not surprising that they got there so quickly.

There is still a lot of content once you get to the veteran ranks in ESO. In addition to the PVP of Cyrodiil (trying to take the throne of Tamriel and such) and veteran level dungeons, you can travel to the homelands of the other two factions to do their quests. The levels have been adjusted for veterans, but it leaves a huge amount of stuff to do.

Gretchen

[subzero]

Okay the L50 I must had been thinking of was AION. WoW Classic took me about 2 months, and I was playing multiple hours a day. And yes, sometimes you had to fully clear entire zones to be able to level. So as a result, it really did foster the feeling of a long journey, when you had do any major traveling by foot & boat. I remember feeling overwhelmed by the time/effort it took to get from Stormwind to the Menthril harbor area, to be able to go to Darnassus.

Running really sucked back then. Mounts at 40, epics were pretty expensive and available at 60. Even the travel forms I don't think unlocked until around level 30.

[Nilandia]

Tonight I had my first taste of Cyrodiil PVP, and it was amazing! I died a few times, but I loved every moment of it. Can't wait to go for more!

Gretchen

[RagingThrak]

Tonight I had my first taste of Cyrodiil PVP, and it was amazing! I died a few times, but I loved every moment of it. Can't wait to go for more!

Gretchen

What made you decide to go with High Elf?

[Nathala Crane]

I'm considering checking it out again now that the full release is out. Played the beta briefly and got bored pretty quickly, but I keep hearing it takes a couple of hours for it to become really fun. Still playing the heck out of FFXIV, though, so I'm not sure if I should add yet another MMO to the mix.

[Gelston]

I'm considering checking it out again now that the full release is out. Played the beta briefly and got bored pretty quickly, but I keep hearing it takes a couple of hours for it to become really fun. Still playing the heck out of FFXIV, though, so I'm not sure if I should add yet another MMO to the mix.

It is a lot better than the beta. Even people on the ESO Forums are talking about how they almost decided to not play because they didn't really enjoy the beta.

[Gelston]

Aaaaand Veteran Rank 1. I'd like to thank the Academy.

Started this character on the 4th, so it took me roughly 8 days. Probably would have been faster if I grinded my way up, but then again, I probably would have gotten bored out of my mind. I had to grind from 49 to 50. Ugh.

[Nilandia]

What made you decide to go with High Elf?
I wanted to play a spellcaster, and their racial passives are amazing for sorcerers.

Also, yesterday was a nonstop adrenaline rush of PVP. The Dominion was controlling everything in our campaign to the point where the guild complained of it being boring. But yesterday EP and DC both attacked and started rolling through the campaign. We're pretty sure that they coordinated the attack. Early in the attack, I was out alone in Cyrodiil trying to clear up some quests from my log when suddenly about 6 DC came riding into town on horseback. I never sprinted for a keep so hard in my life!

12 hours later, it was still going strong, and I was loving every minute of it. I read this morning that everything was finally retaken around 6am Eastern. My guild was also seriously amazing with arranging the attack group, planning tactics, and letting this MMO and PVP noob pitch in without being made to feel like she was a burden. I don't think I could take doing it every day, but I'm most certainly going to be fighting again. Other guild members also said that they hadn't planned on the PVP being so addictive. But standing outside a keep with 10 trebuchets trying to smash down a door, all the while dodging arrows and firepots whizzing by your ear... there's nothing like it.

Gretchen

[Jace Solo]

Aaaaand Veteran Rank 1. I'd like to thank the Academy.

Started this character on the 4th, so it took me roughly 8 days. Probably would have been faster if I grinded my way up, but then again, I probably would have gotten bored out of my mind. I had to grind from 49 to 50. Ugh.

He also hasn't been to the bar to post his weekly picture in FSU apparel. That's how much he's been playing! Because we know Gelston takes his word very seriously!!!1! :P

[Donquix]

Aaaaand Veteran Rank 1. I'd like to thank the Academy.

Started this character on the 4th, so it took me roughly 8 days. Probably would have been faster if I grinded my way up, but then again, I probably would have gotten bored out of my mind. I had to grind from 49 to 50. Ugh.

Hit VR1 around the same time.

For people that were asking earlier...you can easily hit 50 in ESO in ~20-25 hours of playtime. Find one other person and aoe grind things if you want to power level. It's especially bonkers if you do undead/daedra, pick up the fighter's guild skill expert hunter. Chance to proc damage of roughly ~1/4 the mobs health and it's essentially permanent when grinding, i mean...it's always permanent as it's trivial to keep up but, it refreshes the duration when you kill something so, don't even have to bother recasting. There are some absolutely insane areas to grind in as well. If you're daggerfall the town with the zombie invasion in the north of the zone is crazy, for instance. The mobs are weaker than normal but give normal experience gains so i could basically kill a pack of 3 with 2 spells, just run to the next.

I'm a completionist on my first playthrough so i've done every quest, skyshard, lorebook, etc. up till this point. The only thing i've missed was some of the group instanced dungeons (have done all the public group dungeons). I was too lazy to find groups in chat and the group finder is pretty awful, mostly because people don't use it. I grinded very little (just 41-43 because I had a huge purple weapon upgrade that was min level 43 i wanted to use. Also, it only took me 40 minutes to go from 41-43 using the above grinding method so...yeah) I hit 50 about halfway through coldharbour.

The main questline is apparently bugged so i'll run into that soon. That limits your VR progression to PVP or veteran dungeons since you can't get to the other zones until you complete the main line. I'll start pvping more now and between sessions of that probably start grinding alts to 50 before they fix the ridiculous exp train. I figure with only 4 classes I may as well get them all to cap :D

[Gelston]

You passed the portals Don? If so let me know. We can totally quest this other crap.

[Gelston]

So, VR 2 now, close to 3. I started getting these creepy voices when I kill things now like "So many dead just for your entertainment" and "Repent for your sins" and stuff like that. It isn't quest or area related. Maybe I'm going to be invited into the Dark Brotherhood soon?!?

[Donquix]

Still VR1, but finished the portals yeah. I got lucky, right when i got to the portals is when they took the servers down for maintenance on saturday. So i scrambled through after the server restart before it had a chance to bug again :D

I was PVPing most of sunday. It was a helluva lot of fun. I was just camping the AD questing hubs. Feel kinda bad because most of the people were a lot lower level but it's not like i'm really geared or anything and they get bolstered...kinda :D It's pretty funny when a bunch of lowbies tried to organize and rally against me, i'm AOE pyromancer DK build so...yeah, 1 person or 10 doesn't matter. You're all gonna fuckin burn. The volcanic rune morph of the mage's guild fire rune spell (adds a knockup + stun) is god damn hilarious on my DK. if i'm fighting a melee i just drop it and stand on it, if they come at me (bro) they get knocked up and set on fire, i step back and drop another to stand on. if they switch to ranged, i firey chains them and they get pulled in, which then knocks them up and they get set on more fire. If they try to run, i switch to my two hander and charge them, then they get set on fire.

long story short, mother fuckers gettin set on fire.

[Gelston]

I haven't done much PvPing. Probably going to hold off until I'm VR10 and have tons of fire resist. I'm a vampire. :/

[Gelston]

Oh, btw, Dulfy is awesome for lorebook/shard/quest/cave/world boss locations. http://dulfy.net/category/eso/

[Donquix]

Oh, btw, Dulfy is awesome for lorebook/shard/quest/cave/world boss locations. http://dulfy.net/category/eso/

Been pvping a bit (bloodthorn campaign). One of my heterosexual gaming life partners got emperor, which was fun. I'll be doing it more now but, i have quest OCD for my first playthrough so I gotta catch em all.

But yeah, i used the shit out of the duffy stuff while leveling. For skyshards there's a great map addon (just called skyshards) on esoui I use instead now. Just adds them to the minimap. There's another that adds all the various things from the ESOHead database but, esohead still isn't completely accurate i think. Needs more info submitted to it but it's mostly correct. I'm probably just spoiled by being used to the 10 million people sending data for wow. I still use the duffy lorebook stuff.

There's also the interactive maps on tamrielfoundry that I like for finding the random quest hub you missed/world boss/etc.:
http://tamrielfoundry.com/map/

[SpiffyJr]

Oh, btw, Dulfy is awesome for lorebook/shard/quest/cave/world boss locations. http://dulfy.net/category/eso/

Our Esohead map has all that stuff too.

http://www.esohead.com/map

Just look at Stonefalls, for example, littered with shit. http://www.esohead.com/map#7.2.50.50

[Nilandia]

So, VR 2 now, close to 3. I started getting these creepy voices when I kill things now like "So many dead just for your entertainment" and "Repent for your sins" and stuff like that. It isn't quest or area related. Maybe I'm going to be invited into the Dark Brotherhood soon?!?
No, it's not the Dark Brotherhood, but I did like that voice when I had it. Almost sad when it stopped.

Right now I've rolled up three new alts to work on crafting. I intend eventually to master all crafts so I can make gear for my guild or to sell. Already mastered alchemy and I'm headed into provisioning now.

Gretchen

[Gelston]

No, it's not the Dark Brotherhood, but I did like that voice when I had it. Almost sad when it stopped.

Right now I've rolled up three new alts to work on crafting. I intend eventually to master all crafts so I can make gear for my guild or to sell. Already mastered alchemy and I'm headed into provisioning now.

Gretchen

Yeah, I've uncovered what it was.

[Nilandia]

Speaking of the Dark Brotherhood, though, have we heard from it or the thieves guild? I have a nightblade who would be very interested.

Gretchen

[Donquix]

Our Esohead map has all that stuff too.

http://www.esohead.com/map

Just look at Stonefalls, for example, littered with shit. http://www.esohead.com/map#7.2.50.50

your face is littered with shit!

I was going to say, didn't know if you were still doing the *head stuff still. Have the skill calc bookmarked for when I forget which abilities don't have shitty morphs :D

[Gelston]

New patch out. They already started nerfing some of the mobs. Kind of upsetting. I hope future content released doesn't become super easy.

[Aluvius]

Unfortunately there's not been a major mmo released for years that didn't constantly downtweak its mobs whether in beta or after release. Its what the mass market wants them to do.

[Gelston]

Yeah, I was hoping this one would be different. Hopefully they don't nerf anymore until I hit VR10 and finish all the different alliance quests.

The one they nerfed was Doshia. She is pretty much the first real fight you get in the game, you can't really just sit there and spam attacks. And she is very easy when you know how to fight her.

[Nilandia]

Yeah, I was hoping this one would be different. Hopefully they don't nerf anymore until I hit VR10 and finish all the different alliance quests.

The one they nerfed was Doshia. She is pretty much the first real fight you get in the game, you can't really just sit there and spam attacks. And she is very easy when you know how to fight her.
Speak for yourself! I knew exactly how to fight her and she still was annoying. She couldn't do enough damage to be a concern, but I ended up leaving 10 times because I just gave up in frustration. Took a lucky crit from silver bolts before she went down.

Gretchen

[Gelston]

Speak for yourself! I knew exactly how to fight her and she still was annoying. She couldn't do enough damage to be a concern, but I ended up leaving 10 times because I just gave up in frustration. Took a lucky crit from silver bolts before she went down.

Gretchen

THIS MUST BE WHY I AM ALMOST VR3 AND YOU AREN'T! Also.. I play lots.

[SpiffyJr]

your face is littered with shit!

I was going to say, didn't know if you were still doing the *head stuff still. Have the skill calc bookmarked for when I forget which abilities don't have shitty morphs :D

Yep, still a senior dev with ZAM. Pretty badass job, really. If you have any requests shoot them my way. I want Esohead to be awesome since I love the game. It's fun finally working on a site where I play the game too, heh.

[SpiffyJr]

THIS MUST BE WHY I AM ALMOST VR3 AND YOU AREN'T! Also.. I play lots.

I'm only 34 :(

[Gelston]

EU is back up. This should mean they found the issue and the fix, and hopefully the US one will be up shortly.

[Nathala Crane]

Well, I decided to bite, so feel free to hit me up @Teveriel Was pretty impressed with what I played last night, aside from a ton of chat lag.

[Gelston]

Well, I decided to bite, so feel free to hit me up @Teveriel Was pretty impressed with what I played last night, aside from a ton of chat lag.

That shit was terrible last night. Hopefully this patch fixes it.

[Nilandia]

THIS MUST BE WHY I AM ALMOST VR3 AND YOU AREN'T! Also.. I play lots.
I play a lot as well, but ESO is my first MMO so I know I'm terribad. No need to rub it in, dude.

Gretchen

[Gelston]

I play a lot as well, but ESO is my first MMO so I know I'm terribad. No need to rub it in, dude.

Gretchen

:( I'm not rubbing it in! I know you play more than one character too... You aren't on near as much as me though(I have 0 life d00d), I see when you log on and off oh friends list friend... What is the command to check how many hours you've put in?

[Taernath]

What is the command to check how many hours you've put in?

NO! STOP! That way lies madness!

[Gelston]

It is up.

[Nilandia]

What is the command to check how many hours you've put in?
/played The readout shows up in your base chat tab.

Gretchen

[Kalishar]

You guys make me want to play this game :(

Fortunately that would take a substantial upgrade on my desktop pc, so it makes it easier to say no.

[Anebriated]

yeah I have a brand new rig running the game and its pretty much flawless in PvE. Tried out some more PvP tonight and all of a sudden the zerg brought about some choppiness.

[Gelston]

You guys make me want to play this game :(

Fortunately that would take a substantial upgrade on my desktop pc, so it makes it easier to say no.

On low setting you could play it with a rig from like, 2000 probably.

[Nilandia]

Just to put it out there, I'm a master alchemist (surprise surprise!) and I'd be glad to make potions for whoever needs. I'm fully trained in all alchemist skills, so I can make potions with up to three effects and it will never have any negative effects. Alchemy is separate from provisioning in that provisioning provides a low-level and longer-lasting effect, while alchemy can give a shorter and more powerful boost. Both can be used at the same time!

I'm looking for 2 sets of Breton racial motifs. I have every other basic motif available for trade aside from dark elves, and I have three of the high elves. I'm also looking for onehanded axes and lightning destro staves to research for crafting. Any level is welcome, since it'll just be destroyed in the research process. I'm working on training up provisioning, so any recipes that anyone happens to find will be much appreciated! I'll be more than happy to trade or give coin in return.

Gretchen

[Nathala Crane]

I'm cool.

http://abload.de/img/vignarprofilepicq1brz.png

(I also discovered emotes.)

[Gelston]

Just hit Vet 5 today. 5 more to go! Then of course Craglorn will be released and I'll have 2 more to go.

[SpiffyJr]

Hit 41 and got a few key skills opened up. Fairly certain at this point that I can't be killed by physical damage in pve so I'm going to swap from heavy to full and try tanking in that.

[Thondalar]

I'm cool.

http://abload.de/img/vignarprofilepicq1brz.png

(I also discovered emotes.)

I love you in Vikings.

[Gelston]

Hit 41 and got a few key skills opened up. Fairly certain at this point that I can't be killed by physical damage in pve so I'm going to swap from heavy to full and try tanking in that.

Heh, wait till you hit vet dungeons.

[Nathala Crane]

I love you in Vikings.

Hahaha. I tried. xP

[Donquix]

Unfortunately there's not been a major mmo released for years that didn't constantly downtweak its mobs whether in beta or after release. Its what the mass market wants them to do.

I don't have a problem with the nerfing of the end game stuff before it gets removed, which has been pretty much what happens. Comes out super hard, all the people who are really hardcore finish it anyway, then they nerf it so that people can actually see the content. I do actually really like what Blizz is doing with the multiple difficulty settings per raid to just kind of bake that in, and then hopefully stop nerfing the "real" raid.

[Nilandia]

Mastered provisioning last night, making it my second craft I've mastered thus far, after alchemy. I'm still woefully behind on recipes, though. On to clothier/woodworking/blacksmithing! They're all around 10 ranks each at the moment, but I've got a crafting buddy. We send finished pieces to each other for the other to break down. You get more inspiration that way than breaking down your own stuff.

Also finished Grahtwood on my current main last night. It was a good night.

Gretchen

[Gelston]

If any of you come across a Daedric Motif, I totally have an Ancient Elf Motif I'll trade you for it.

[Nilandia]

Sorry. I only have a pile of the regular racial motifs. Seriously, it took forever to get those last two Breton motifs. Now I just need an Imperial and I'll be set for the basic races. I'll happily trade for it if anyone comes across one.

Gretchen

[Gelston]

You can only get the Daedric, Ancient Elf, and (I think) Barbaric in Vet content, or so I've been told.

[Nilandia]

Yes, the motifs that aren't one of the base races (you forgot primal) are only in vet content. One of my guildmates has been researching a theory that they only drop in certain areas, too.

One of my guildmates hit VR10 today. Some people have no life. :D

Gretchen, level 28

[Gelston]

Yes, the motifs that aren't one of the base races (you forgot primal) are only in vet content. One of my guildmates has been researching a theory that they only drop in certain areas, too.

One of my guildmates hit VR10 today. Some people have no life. :D

Gretchen, level 28

Some people level way too slow.

Gelston, Level VR6

[RagingThrak]

I'm not even level 10 yet. And there are so many quests to do. I haven't even tried professions, yet.

[Jace Solo]

Almost 32! But I've been pretty deep into writing another feature so, no time. Heading to the desert now finally. I hear the AoE grinding there is insane!

I mastered provisioning around lvl 25. Food stuff takes up the majority of my bag space. Such a pain!

How was alchemy to master? BS/WW/Cloth are all pretty slow.

[Nilandia]

Some people level way too slow.

Gelston, Level VR6
Yeah, well, I'm working on crafting on a few alts, so I have to level them up, work on crafting, gather materials and coordinate with my crafting buddy. It all takes time. My current main is 28, and I have other alts at 12, 9 and 9.

Alchemy is easier than blacksmithing, woodworking and clothier, so long as you have a steady supply of materials. Alchemy doesn't seem to look at a character's level when generating inspiration, where the other three will start giving decreasing returns if you deconstruct items that are more than 5 levels over yours.

For the greatest inspiration gain, train up the skill that lets you use higher level solvents and make the highest level potions you can. Cyrodiil is a fantastic source of level 40 solvents, particularly the northern and southern shores of Lake Rumare at the center. You'll also gain inspiration when you discover a new ingredient ability, which you do when two ingredients in a potion you make share an ability that you have yet to discover. There are charts on the interwebs that list each ingredient's abilities.

Gretchen

[Nathala Crane]

I'm going slowly, because I'm still playing FFXIV semi-hardcore at this point. (Plus I keep rolling new characters because I'm indecisive as all get out!) But I did my first "public dungeon" last night, Crows' Wood. Not sure how I feel about it. On one hand, it's nice to be able to just pop into a dungeon with a bunch of other players and just hack and slash through the quest objectives. On the other, when I got to the boss, I got my ass handed to me alone. Nobody listens to zone chat, so I was forced to sort of wait around next to the boss for two other players to come charging in before we could take it down.

Is that pretty much indicative of the rest of the game's public dungeons? If it is, I'll know to try to get into a party before the next one. It just makes me question the point of making them public as opposed to instanced if a group is required anyway if you're at or near the level of the dungeon. (Boss was 5; I was 7.)

[Nilandia]

Odd. Every public dungeon I've been do has had a huge crowd swarming the main boss as they try to farm good items. I'm surprised you had to try it alone.

Gretchen

[Taernath]

The GMs have been going through and nuking bots in the last couple of days.

It was always jarring to see crowds of them standing in one spot waiting for boss spawns.

[Gelston]

In Vet zones the delves are generally totally empty. You shouldn't have had to wait on someone though, they are generally pretty easy to take out solo.

[Nathala Crane]

Dunno, but it appears I'm not alone: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/86189/crow-s-woods-crow-mother

Anyway, on to the next! :P

[Gelston]

Oh, PUBLIC dungeon. Those are a bit different from the regular solo dungeons. Yeah, you need groups for those. they get harder as you get to higher zones too.

[Gelston]

And Vet 10.

Created the character 26 days ago, hit VR1 17 days ago.

[SpiffyJr]

Vet 4...

[Jace Solo]

I fell off the wagon. We'll see if I get around to climbing back on.

[Nilandia]

Join us....

[Anebriated]

I already deactivated, was at v8 when I did.

[Taernath]

I only made it to 40. : /

The questing and group content just made me want to go play Skyrim (which I did).

[Gelston]

I'm on my second character now. Up to 32, Imperial Dragonknight.

[Glitch]

The whole veteran rank thing just sucked all the enjoyment I had out of leveling or finding/crafting gear. I was hoping to make characters on different factions to see the story, but I guess that's stupid since they run you through them all anyway.

Haven't cancelled yet, but after veteran and a couple alt characters in the 10-20 range, I'm not very interested in continuing the quest lines. I was already skipping dialogue and trying to finish quests on my first character, now the MMO tedium is setting in hardcore.

I'm not seeing much to do that involves interacting with other players either, my guess is that's all capped content, which I'm having a hard time caring enough to get to.

[SpiffyJr]

Really a shitty problem to be in with MMO's.

People complain that there's no content in most that are released and end up rushing to cap and having to wait for months to get something out. What did they do for ESO? Give you a ton of content to do and now people complain that it takes too long to cap or that questing is boring. WoW has completely fucking ruined people on MMO's. They might as well make the level cap five or ten and just release 50 raids for any new MMO or even just remove leveling all together. Doing anything else is completely setting yourself up for failure. New WoW expansions are only 5-10 levels which can be burned through really really quick and that's what people expect now. It's fucking horrible.

I'm VR4 and before I "cap" the first major content patch will be out. To me, that sounds like it's just right.

*EDIT*

For the record I'm loving ESO. Currently at VR4 and I don't feel I've had to "grind" anything. The zones are setup with the proper amount of quests to get you to the next level and the quests are, for MMO standards, superb. Very few tedious quests such as "kill X" or "loot X" and a lot more story aligned quests. Most of the time I just bum rush through the dialogue but when I do find one that I'm particularly interested in I'll read it and the writing is generally very well done.

[Gelston]

I pretty much figure Craglorn will be released when I am done grinding the Sewers for the Worm Cult set. I'm happy with that.

[Anebriated]

honestly WoW didnt figure into my decision at all being as I couldnt stand the way it was designed and stopped playing that after a month as well. The biggest problem in ESO to me was the way PvP worked. I love the open world concept but hated being pigeon-holed into a certain number of abilities I could slot and the fact that healing couldn't be targeted. If I am a good player then why should I have to stop at even 12 total abilities set to my qbars? Healing was an ever bigger issue despite me never getting around to leveling a healing class too high. If I see someone in my group who has just been targeted by the enemy why cant I heal them before the random 6 people around me that the game arbitrarily chooses? It seems to me that the game was designed around being console ready(despite not being out on consoles) and it leaves the PC players out to dry. Also there was nothing to work towards. I hit the max PvP rank in less than week. Short of trying to be emperor I ran out of things to accomplish in PvP.

Im not a long-time ESO fan nor am I a huge fan of MMORPG's. My favorite one to date was DAoC and maybe that spoiled me. Either way I am probably waiting until Camelot: Unchained(DAoC 2) comes out next year before I jump back in.

[Glitch]

For MMO standards, I would put ESO above most of the others. I just don't feel they're doing anything innovative, merely refining what has already been successful. I completely understand that mentality, but I was really hoping for something more involved. It's a great game all things considered, and if I hadn't played a bunch of MMO's before this one, I'd probably be hooked.

I was really hoping for a more sandbox approach, and they went with a more linear-quest plus PvP approach. That's fine, just not my thing. Done it before.

[Glitch]

Also the whole "Now you've been challenged to adventure in other lands, but no one will recognize or remember you" thing just pissed me off. What a cheap way to extend the running time.

[SHAFT]

The modern mmo needs to be reinvented. I'm telling you, a game and system like dark souls mixed into a massive world would be awesome.

[Anebriated]

For MMO standards, I would put ESO above most of the others. I just don't feel they're doing anything innovative, merely refining what has already been successful. I completely understand that mentality, but I was really hoping for something more involved. It's a great game all things considered, and if I hadn't played a bunch of MMO's before this one, I'd probably be hooked.

I was really hoping for a more sandbox approach, and they went with a more linear-quest plus PvP approach. That's fine, just not my thing. Done it before.

If this was their intent then they failed miserably. It had the graphics of ESO with the storyline of a color by numbers book. Grouping with friends/guildies is difficult or not possible(if they already finished the quest). The PvP failed pretty hard unless youre OK with zerging. Guilds in general are worthless except to access the guild auction house. I HATED the PvP in WoW yet I would still take that over what they tried to give us in ESO.

[Glitch]

PvE content is also way too easy for me. Either that or Templar is OP, or some combination. 95% of the game, I press 1 button and aedric spear every mob in front of me. The only time I don't go 1,1,1,1,1 is on bosses, where it's 2,3,4,5,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1. Eh.

So I made other characters, but replaying the same quests over is just not exciting.

Ok I'm done, I'm still playing but those are my complaints. Hopefully I can find enough things to get excited about to keep playing since they just charged me my subscription.

[Nilandia]

If this was their intent then they failed miserably. It had the graphics of ESO with the storyline of a color by numbers book. Grouping with friends/guildies is difficult or not possible(if they already finished the quest). The PvP failed pretty hard unless youre OK with zerging. Guilds in general are worthless except to access the guild auction house. I HATED the PvP in WoW yet I would still take that over what they tried to give us in ESO.
Sorry that's your experience, but mine's been completely different. I lucked out and joined a phenomenal guild of experienced MMO players who are also a ton of fun. Multiple events of various flavors are held each week, and we've set up teams of interested crafters to work together and help each other gain skill. Already have someone in the guild at 50 in all crafting skills and more are soon to follow. Gold pretty much has no meaning for me now, aside from feeding horses, repairing gear and buying bag space. Everything else I can make or get from guildies.

PVP is ridiculously addictive for me. I don't fall in with the zergs, but group up with people in my guild or an allied guild. We head to voice chat to coordinate actions and usually have a commander to follow. We make use of the zerg, rather than join it, and we've been pretty successful.

I'll grant that the storylines are a bit linear, but they do throw some curveballs every so often. There have been a few times where I genuinely had no clue which option to pick, because there was no clear best choice. I haven't even finished my own faction's area, and I'm looking forward to more hard choices. I also like that the quests have actual stories behind them, and I enjoy listening to the voiced dialogue.

Still, your experiences may be different from mine. Sorry it didn't work out for you.

[Jace Solo]

Which faction are you on? I may just swap over to yours. I'm only 43-44 now so it's not, Ike that's more than a few weeks play. My big issue is the nonexistent grouping/guild stuff outside of dungeons. Everything is easy mode. WoW just did it right in the first 50. Just enough content was hard enough that only a few classes could effectively solo it all. Eventually, that changed to where everyone could solo everything.

I started with some Wildstar and it reminds me a lot of WoW, which is good and bad because that only held my attention through two or three expansions. Looks like I might be back in Gemstone sooner than I thought and almost $200 poorer.

[Nilandia]

I'm currently playing Aldmeri Dominion, level 43. Let me know if you need a partner or group member. I also have a few alts at 16 or 17.

[Glitch]

I'll grant that the storylines are a bit linear, but they do throw some curveballs every so often. There have been a few times where I genuinely had no clue which option to pick, because there was no clear best choice.

Some of the decisions are actually pretty interesting from a storytelling perspective. However, I quickly realized my decisions made absolutely 0 difference in anything other than (at most) my next few immediate quests. I had really hoped the "important" moral decisions would actually be, you know, IMPORTANT. Perhaps selections would open and close some quest lines, giving replay added value.

Something akin to early Fallout and other heavy dialogue RPG's of that style.

[Gelston]

Some of the decisions are actually pretty interesting from a storytelling perspective. However, I quickly realized my decisions made absolutely 0 difference in anything other than (at most) my next few immediate quests. I had really hoped the "important" moral decisions would actually be, you know, IMPORTANT. Perhaps selections would open and close some quest lines, giving replay added value.

Something akin to early Fallout and other heavy dialogue RPG's of that style.

That would probably make later game quest grouping even more of a pain in the ass. It'd be really cool, but I just think it would require way to much for an MMO.

No MMO will EVER be in the same league as a single player.

[SpiffyJr]

For MMO standards, I would put ESO above most of the others. I just don't feel they're doing anything innovative, merely refining what has already been successful. I completely understand that mentality, but I was really hoping for something more involved. It's a great game all things considered, and if I hadn't played a bunch of MMO's before this one, I'd probably be hooked.

I was really hoping for a more sandbox approach, and they went with a more linear-quest plus PvP approach. That's fine, just not my thing. Done it before.

There is a *significant* hurdle to having a sandbox *AND* level progression. If you have areas scale with level the only real way to do that is to phase the content. It would be so phased at that point that it might as well be single player. How many level 13-15 people would be in, say, the Rift, at a time?

They'd have to remove leveling entirely, which I'm fine with, and do a skill progression system of some sort. Even then you still have an issue where content may be too hard for your skill set. It's not a trivial issue to solve and that's probably why no one has really done it.

The last sandbox I played was SWG and a fresh character couldn't go out and kill a Rancor or anything. Even though that game didn't have levels it still had "scaling" in the sense you can't go and fight whatever you want whenever you want.

[SpiffyJr]

If this was their intent then they failed miserably. It had the graphics of ESO with the storyline of a color by numbers book. Grouping with friends/guildies is difficult or not possible(if they already finished the quest). The PvP failed pretty hard unless youre OK with zerging. Guilds in general are worthless except to access the guild auction house. I HATED the PvP in WoW yet I would still take that over what they tried to give us in ESO.

Just because there's a large ass zerg running around doesn't mean you have to follow it. Same thing happened in GW2. People ran around with the Zerg while my group of 3-5 would go and take points on our own and crush people. It sounds to me like you want arena/battleground style PvP and not WvW, which is fine, but completely different mentalities.

[SpiffyJr]

PvE content is also way too easy for me. Either that or Templar is OP, or some combination. 95% of the game, I press 1 button and aedric spear every mob in front of me. The only time I don't go 1,1,1,1,1 is on bosses, where it's 2,3,4,5,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1. Eh.

So I made other characters, but replaying the same quests over is just not exciting.

Ok I'm done, I'm still playing but those are my complaints. Hopefully I can find enough things to get excited about to keep playing since they just charged me my subscription.

Did you get to veteran yet and try those dungeons? They're certainly not easy with respect to your typical MMO dungeon.

[SpiffyJr]

Which faction are you on? I may just swap over to yours. I'm only 43-44 now so it's not, Ike that's more than a few weeks play. My big issue is the nonexistent grouping/guild stuff outside of dungeons. Everything is easy mode. WoW just did it right in the first 50. Just enough content was hard enough that only a few classes could effectively solo it all. Eventually, that changed to where everyone could solo everything.

I started with some Wildstar and it reminds me a lot of WoW, which is good and bad because that only held my attention through two or three expansions. Looks like I might be back in Gemstone sooner than I thought and almost $200 poorer.

They do an inverse in ESO. Normal content is retarded easy and veteran content is a massive scale up. People complain about veteran content getting harder as you go up but I personally feel it's staying about the same.

[SpiffyJr]

That would probably make later game quest grouping even more of a pain in the ass. It'd be really cool, but I just think it would require way to much for an MMO.

No MMO will EVER be in the same league as a single player.

I was going to say this but you said it so well I'll just quote you.

[Anebriated]

Just because there's a large ass zerg running around doesn't mean you have to follow it. Same thing happened in GW2. People ran around with the Zerg while my group of 3-5 would go and take points on our own and crush people. It sounds to me like you want arena/battleground style PvP and not WvW, which is fine, but completely different mentalities.

I was hardly running with the zerg. I had a few different groups I ran with but mostly we did our own thing or worked around the zerg. The biggest problem to me with PvP is that after achieving the highest rank(took about a week) there was nothing to go for. IMO DAoC was the best open world concept I have ever seen. Very similar to how ESO was set up except they had individual and guild leaderboards, weekly, monthly and overall point totals. Gave people something to strive for when PvE wasnt what appealed to them. Once I hit the max PvP rank and saw that I was 150k behind the current emp I realized it wasnt worth it.

It just feels like ESO tried to balance everyone TOO much instead of letting the skilled players be skilled. I disliked how they boosted sub cap players to be more competitive, would have rather they had their own battleground. disliked how I was stuck to two bars of 5+1 skills(are they trying to keep everyone on par with the future console users who have a limited number of available buttons?). My fingers can work quickly, stop holding them back. I had to nearly stop using any sort of interrupt because I didnt have the space. Certain abilities can just be spammed when there should be a cooldown or at the very least the person who was hit should gain a slight immunity to being hit immediately afterwards by the same root or whatever it may be.

Saying I wanted arena PvP couldnt be further from the truth, I HATED WoW's arena PvP system. I just prefer smaller group coordination and dont want to be restricted as much. As I said in my previous post, DAoC was the best game I have played to date for what I enjoy. I am eagerly awaiting the new one.


This video sums up a lot of the problems very well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov3B26h12C4

[Nilandia]

To be honest, I've seen Angry Joe's reviews of ESO and he comes off as someone determined not to like the game. There's also not much substance to his complaints beyond, "This game has bugs! And why are they making me pay to play an Imperial?!"

There are a lot of issues he points out that I flat out have never seen, and they're nowhere near as game breaking as he makes them seem.

[Anebriated]

I would agree with you that there are a lot of issues that he makes sound a lot worse than they really are. There are also a lot that make complete sense.

[Taernath]

Some of the decisions are actually pretty interesting from a storytelling perspective. However, I quickly realized my decisions made absolutely 0 difference in anything other than (at most) my next few immediate quests. I had really hoped the "important" moral decisions would actually be, you know, IMPORTANT. Perhaps selections would open and close some quest lines, giving replay added value.

Something akin to early Fallout and other heavy dialogue RPG's of that style.

Yeah, like that one early Covenant one where you have to choose between destroying an artifact or keeping it for your faction. I destroyed it and at first it seemed like it was a meaningful decision. Half the group of NPCs I was with wanted to keep it, including the shipmaster who I relied on for transport, but as soon as the quest was completed she took me to the next quest hub anyway.

Sidequestion: is the entire Covenant line really boring or is it just me? I never made it to vet content. Maybe I would have enjoyed questing more if I started in Ebonheart or something.

[Glitch]

I'm Ebonheart and have found the quests maybe 50% interesting... meaning I skip about half the dialogue and listen to the other half on average.

The first real zone for Ebonheart is depressing as hell though, just ash, rock, and big ass volcano. Really not a fun place to wander around for your first big area.

It feels more like a zone you would put 3/4 of the way through a game, when you want to show some striking visuals but also have an audience that's invested and doesn't mind hours of bleakness.

[Gelston]

To be honest, I've seen Angry Joe's reviews of ESO and he comes off as someone determined not to like the game. There's also not much substance to his complaints beyond, "This game has bugs! And why are they making me pay to play an Imperial?!"

There are a lot of issues he points out that I flat out have never seen, and they're nowhere near as game breaking as he makes them seem.

Angry Joe is not a serious critic and should never be taken serious. Some people think he is the voice of God though, and plaster his shit all over the ESO forums like they are the first person to ever discover it.

[Gelston]

Yeah, like that one early Covenant one where you have to choose between destroying an artifact or keeping it for your faction. I destroyed it and at first it seemed like it was a meaningful decision. Half the group of NPCs I was with wanted to keep it, including the shipmaster who I relied on for transport, but as soon as the quest was completed she took me to the next quest hub anyway.

Sidequestion: is the entire Covenant line really boring or is it just me? I never made it to vet content. Maybe I would have enjoyed questing more if I started in Ebonheart or something.

I enjoyed Covenant, but at Vet you get to play through the other two alliances instead of starting a character from level 1 again.

[Glitch]

I enjoyed Covenant, but at Vet you get to play through the other two alliances instead of starting a character from level 1 again.

Last time I played, at Veteran 1, running through town. Pick up a quest... "SO YOU WANNA BECOME ONE OF THE UNDAUNTED!?"
My only option for reply "WHAT'S THE UNDAUNTED?"
While I have one of their skills on my bar.

That kind of sloppy writing really bothers me.

I guess is keeps the Elder Scrolls vibe, like when you walk around town all badass Archmage Master of Thieves Assassin Man and some dude is like "HEY PEASANT, GO FIND MY DAD'S SHIELD AND I'LL GIVE YOU 5 MONEY!"

[Gelston]

I don't think the VR1-VR10 levels were originally planned. When you beat the differences alliances you get a level 50 quest reward, even the last alliance, whereas everything you find in the alliances are VR items. It really seems like something added in at the last minute when they realized 1-50 was so fast. That being said, there are a *few* times that you get more speech options in the Vet content.

That being said, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. It is an MMO, and one of the biggest things in MMO is continuing your character and getting better gear.

Remember, this game is barely over a month old. They are adding a Vet 10-12 Adventure zone soon, and I can't help but imagine they'll add an alternate Vet leveling area (other than PvP) to doing the other alliance quests at some point. They said on their AMA that they plan to add lower level quests and not just endgame content with future content patches/expansions.

[Jayvn]

Jayvn feel free to add me, I could use some company. just started (4 days ago?) So I'm only like level 23 or something... I also failed and picked a shit home for my campaign..

[SpiffyJr]

Craglorn tomorrow! I'm still only VR5 though :(

[Gelston]

And it is released. If any of you are DC, I am too. And V10. So lets Craglorn.

[Nilandia]

Where are all the Ebonheart people? It's like the game is all either DC or AD. http://esostats.com/na/

Gretchen

[JackWhisper]

We quit.

I'm not being facetious either. Sketti, Me, Anebriated, and a few others who played Ebonheart *in the same guild with Gelston and others*, all quit.

=(

[Kalishar]

I'll play Ebonheart!

After I buy the game.

After I get a new PC.

Damn :(

[Gelston]

I'll play Ebonheart!

After I buy the game.

After I get a new PC.

Damn :(

Daggerfall Covenant is the best.

[Nilandia]

Nuh uh. Aldmeri Dominion 4 lyfe!

[Kalishar]

I remember murdering every Aldmeri Dominion escort group I came across in Skyrim with my Dark Elf.

[Nilandia]

Funny thing, that. My guild initially went AD because of how the Thalmor were portrayed in Skyrim. They figured no one would want to be AD and they wanted to support the underdogs. Boy were they wrong!

[Gelston]

Funny thing, that. My guild initially went AD because of how the Thalmor were portrayed in Skyrim. They figured no one would want to be AD and they wanted to support the underdogs. Boy were they wrong!

That dork Angry Joe and his followers went AD. That is why.

[Nilandia]

Finally finished the main storyline last night. Holy Jeebus, that was INTENSE. Only died once, though! Then I found a rhythm and was able to get through without too many issues.

Gretchen

[SpiffyJr]

VR6.5 and counting.

[SpiffyJr]

VR7

[SpiffyJr]

Andddd Vr9.

[Nilandia]

VR2 here!

[Nilandia]

This weekend was Quakecon, and ESO held a panel to discuss upcoming releases and tweaks. Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LkeMacg-b0

Highlights!
- PVP in the Imperial City, including taking control of various zones and fighting in the Arena
- fixes to grouping so it's much easier to team up with friends and not have them show up in a different instance
- group dungeons scaling to the level of the group leader, and delves that dynamically adjust to the player's ability
- a working justice system where players can go on theft and murder sprees, but can also enact their own justice if they see a crime being committed
- spellcrafting!
- new PVE adventure zones, including one for group PVE and one for solo PVE
- teases of new armor and weapon styles, including Daedric Imperial, Glass, Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild
- better facial animations to match spoken dialogue
- revamping post-50 content, replacing veteran ranks with champion ranks that give points that can be spent for account-wide passives

[Warriorbird]

Still more interested in Battlecry and the next single player RPG in spite of the 50% price cut. It just doesn't seem all that glitzy when you still pay a monthly price.

[Gelston]

Wildstar > ESO

[SpiffyJr]

Wildstar > ESO

If you think WoW > ESO then yes, WildStar > ESO.

[Gelston]

If you think WoW > ESO then yes, WildStar > ESO.

Wildstar is as much like WoW as ESO is like WoW.

[Nilandia]

Turns out I'd posted the wrong link to the Quakecon panel. WHUPS!

Real link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LkeMacg-b0

[Kalishar]

I actually tried signing up with ESO first (I've been playing Wildstar lately), but I had so many issues with billing and them not accepting every credit card I tried I was like like "Ok, I guess you don't want my money".

Went to Wildstar, worked the first try.

[Gelston]

ESO is going F2P on March 19th. You still have to purchase the game though... Which on Steam is still like $50. Still, I think it is definitely worth it. Even if you don't like MMOs and only want single player, you can solo 90% of the game.

[Androidpk]

ESO is going F2P on March 19th. You still have to purchase the game though... Which on Steam is still like $50. Still, I think it is definitely worth it. Even if you don't like MMOs and only want single player, you can solo 90% of the game.

http://www.animated-gifs.eu/leisure-circus-clowns/0215.gif

[Gelston]

http://www.animated-gifs.eu/leisure-circus-clowns/0215.gif

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/9a/9a07eb5242966826bcfa2aca6c3fafb03a0a54e054462d3d5f d7fa45673d5d9a.jpg

[Androidpk]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/9a/9a07eb5242966826bcfa2aca6c3fafb03a0a54e054462d3d5f d7fa45673d5d9a.jpg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd3jp1id5yQ

[Gelston]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd3jp1id5yQ

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111111327/3192513-there's-the-door,-now-get-the-fuck-out,-picard.jpg

[Malisai]

It is worth noting that if you already bought ESO, you dont have to buy it again.

So if you are considering getting ESO when it goes B2P, then hop over to amazon and buy the current game for 30 bucks rather than 60 steam is charging.

[Gelston]

It is worth noting that if you already bought ESO, you dont have to buy it again.

So if you are considering getting ESO when it goes B2P, then hop over to amazon and buy the current game for 30 bucks rather than 60 steam is charging.

Another thing to note, if you buy it before it is non-sub based, you get 30 days of game time free. If you were to get it 30 days or less before it goes subless, you'll basically start a month earlier. Also, any days left over on the sub carry over to their ESO plus membership.

[Glitch]

I know (according to Zeni) it wasn't directly hindering their other games, but maybe they'll get cracking on Fallout 4 and the next Elder Scrolls now. It's been 3+ years since Skyrim.

That said, I'll probaby go romp around for a while in ESO, I already bought the game anyway. I'm sure it will be entertaining until they slam me against a pay wall and convince me to stop again, like most F2P's.

[Gelston]

I know (according to Zeni) it wasn't directly hindering their other games, but maybe they'll get cracking on Fallout 4 and the next Elder Scrolls now. It's been 3+ years since Skyrim.

That said, I'll probaby go romp around for a while in ESO, I already bought the game anyway. I'm sure it will be entertaining until they slam me against a pay wall and convince me to stop again, like most F2P's.

Well, they are releasing ESO on XB1 and PS4 soon too. Maybe after that they'll go into developing other things more heavily.

The only "paywall" I can see them doing is the DLC one. While you are a plus subscriber, all DLC is free. If you drop out of a Plus sub, you can no longer do the DLC. You can also buy the DLC in their Crown Market thing they are making, so you'd have it forever like that too.

[Gelston]

DC for life bitches!

[Taernath]

DC for life bitches!

Disctrict of Columbia?

DC comics?

Dinosaur cocks?

[JackWhisper]

Gelston does love him some dinosaur cocks.

[Gelston]

Disctrict of Columbia?

DC comics?

Dinosaur cocks?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=elder+scrolls+online+dc

[JackWhisper]

See? He even looks up dinosaur cocks for you.

[Androidpk]

Disctrict of Columbia?

DC comics?

Dinosaur cocks?

Dick candy. Melts in your mouth, not in your hand.

[JackWhisper]

Dick candy. Melts in your mouth, not in your hand.

Experience talking, looks like.

[Gelston]

See? He even looks up dinosaur cocks for you.

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/53665046.jpg

[Taernath]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=elder+scrolls+online+dc

Ahhh, see, from the context of the previous post it made me think maybe you just misspelled DLC, or you were drunk enough/the conversation had devolved enough for you to profess your love for dinosaur cock.

[Taernath]

With the F2P update, can you get the PS4 version free if you previously played on PC? The language kind of indicates you can. For some reason I'd rather play it on PS4 than PC.

[Gelston]

With the F2P update, can you get the PS4 version free if you previously played on PC? The language kind of indicates you can. For some reason I'd rather play it on PS4 than PC.

You are on crack if you want to play it on PS4, seeing as you'd only be able to play with other PS4 people. Also, no. You still have to buy the game for PS4. You wouldn't, however, have to pay for the imperial upgrade if you had that before.

[Gelston]

PvE side of the justice system is out. It is fucking awesome. I've spent like, the last two days of playing it just pickpocketing and breaking and entering and stealing shit. It is fun, and it has shown me that crime does pay.

[JackWhisper]

PvE side of the justice system is out. It is fucking awesome. I've spent like, the last two days of playing it just pickpocketing and breaking and entering and stealing shit. It is fun, and it has shown me that crime does pay.

INB4 Crime comments on this.

[Gelston]

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i433/GelstonJ/Screenshot_20150319_125342_zpsok9slb7s.png

I'm gonna wreck you EP bitches.

[Gelston]

ESO has a free week starting now. If anyone is interested let me know, I still have my account going over there and I can come beat you up a bit and we can cyber.


HOW TO JOIN YOUR FRIENDS IN THE ESO FREE PLAY WEEK:

To join your friends in Tamriel, head to our Free Play Week page now.

When can you start playing?
Right now! Head to our website to pick your preferred platform, download The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited, and then create your account. You'll be able to play the game until 10am EDT April 18th, after which you'll need to purchase it to continue playing.

What will you have access to?
The full game, not including DLC game pack areas
500 crowns to spend in the Crown Store if you're creating an account for the first time
Characters you create, Crown Packs or Crown Store items you purchase, and any progress you make during the Free Play Week will carry over if you decide to purchase the game

Continue Your Adventure
Throughout the event period, The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited, The Elder Scrolls Online: Gold Edition, and Crown Packs will be available on the PlayStation®Store, Xbox Store, Steam Store, and The Elder Scrolls Online Store at a discounted price. Purchase at a reduced price now and continue your adventure exactly where you left off!

Alternatively, prepare for the next chapter of ESO by pre-ordering ESO: Morrowind to receive exclusive in-game items with the Discovery Pack*. You can either pre-order the full game including The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited*, or if you decide to purchase the base game in the sale (The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited or The Elder Scrolls Online: Gold Edition), you can pre-order the upgrade version of Morrowind for a reduced cost!

Don't miss out. Join your friends in Tamriel now!



*Please note if you pre-order the full version of Morrowind, access to The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited and The Elder Scrolls Online: Morrowind will unlock on June 6th, 2017.

[Nathala Crane]

I hadn't played since shortly after launch, so I gave this another shot and was pleasantly surprised. The One Tamriel stuff alone makes it feel more like a proper TES game, but being able to pick pockets and sell stolen goods to fences is some of the most satisfying shit I've ever encountered in an MMO. My Dunmer in full Ashlander garb stealing Tribunal heretics' valuables = deep arpee.

I sort of want to sub for a month just to try the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood now.

[Gelston]

I hadn't played since shortly after launch, so I gave this another shot and was pleasantly surprised. The One Tamriel stuff alone makes it feel more like a proper TES game, but being able to pick pockets and sell stolen goods to fences is some of the most satisfying shit I've ever encountered in an MMO. My Dunmer in full Ashlander garb stealing Tribunal heretics' valuables = deep arpee.

I sort of want to sub for a month just to try the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood now.

Oh yeah. The game is WAAAAY better than launch time. Morrowind Expansion with new class soon.

[Taernath]

I only ever subbed for the crafting bag.

[Gelston]

I only ever subbed for the crafting bag.

Crafting bag is best thing ever. I also subbed for expansions without having to buy them... Although Morrowind has to be paid for. I'll probably pick that up at some point, but SWTOR is still my main MMO.

[Wyrom]

There are a large number of issues with devs over balancing the game. Morrowind update looks really bad for stamina builds. One Tamriel made the game more accessible but the game is pretty much on auto pilot for solo content with it being incredibly easy to do. And the issues with builds doesn't really affect solo content either. I'm not much of a group PvE player just due to my limited time to play. I don't need to have crazy kids screaming at me on TS/Discord because my sustained DPS isn't 30k. So I just gank people in PvP.

[Gelston]

There are a large number of issues with devs over balancing the game. Morrowind update looks really bad for stamina builds. One Tamriel made the game more accessible but the game is pretty much on auto pilot for solo content with it being incredibly easy to do. And the issues with builds doesn't really affect solo content either. I'm not much of a group PvE player just due to my limited time to play. I don't need to have crazy kids screaming at me on TS/Discord because my sustained DPS isn't 30k. So I just gank people in PvP.

I've never really cared much for PvP in any of the games I play. I've only ever done it, begrudgingly, in SWTOR to get valor ranks because they decided to tie frickin Stronghold decorations to that.

[Androidpk]

So I just gank people in PvP.


http://a.fod4.com/images/GifGuide/DealWithIt/norrisdeal.gif

[Androidpk]

I've never really cared much for PvP in any of the games I play. I've only ever done it, begrudgingly, in SWTOR to get valor ranks because they decided to tie frickin Stronghold decorations to that.

WoW pvp was pretty fun for awhile.

[Nathala Crane]

I've been questing and exploring much the same way I would a single player TES game while playing Ashlander Barbie on my Dunmer Dragonknight, which is about the extent of my willingness to RP in graphical MMOs these days. I don't think I've ever had a good experience with those communities. The dungeons are a lot of fun, though. I've been rocking a dual-wield stamina build that seems to be pretty effective for now. Who knows whether I'll even still be playing when Morrowind and the Stamina changes come along.

[Gelston]

I've been questing and exploring much the same way I would a single player TES game while playing Ashlander Barbie on my Dunmer Dragonknight, which is about the extent of my willingness to RP in graphical MMOs these days. I don't think I've ever had a good experience with those communities. The dungeons are a lot of fun, though. I've been rocking a dual-wield stamina build that seems to be pretty effective for now. Who knows whether I'll even still be playing when Morrowind and the Stamina changes come along.

I've RP'd fairly extensively in ESO. It is a bit of a shock at first, when coming from text based, because you are paying attention to both graphics and text, but eventually you get the hand of it. There are some good and bad groups there, and some people are snobby as hell. Either way, check out http://www.eso-rp.com/ . There are guild listings and events and stuff. You don't need to join a guild though, plenty of stuff you can do solo if you want to join in or just watch a little. It can be annoying due to the different instances, so sometimes you have to switch around a little to find them.

[Gelston]

Randomly got a closed beta invite for Morrowind. It says I can't talk about gameplay though. :( Anyone else get one?

[Gelston]

So, I decided to stream myself playing this stuff.

https://www.twitch.tv/jamesius

I'm not going to be doing much of amazement, just me randomly playing the game.

[Ashlander]

So, I decided to stream myself playing this stuff.

https://www.twitch.tv/jamesius

I'm not going to be doing much of amazement, just me randomly playing the game.

But are you topless while playing it?

[RichardCranium]

But are you topless while playing it?

Gonna have to step his game up more than that. Methais streams himself playing drums in his tighty-whities.

[Teveriel]

How's Summerset?

[Gelston]

But are you topless while playing it?

Yes.


How's Summerset?

It is pretty great. the Psijic Storyline is some pretty good writing. I haven't finished it yet, because I opted to create an entirely new character.

[drauz]

Should try Guild Wars 2. I don't really listen to storylines so I don't know if it's any good, but the combat and boss fights are fun and different from other big MMOs.

Also f2p.

[Gelston]

Should try Guild Wars 2. I don't really listen to storylines so I don't know if it's any good, but the combat and boss fights are fun and different from other big MMOs.

Also f2p.

I play that also. I have all the expansions too, but that'll be next week.

ESO is technically B2P. you don't need to pay for anything past the initial game.

[drauz]

I play that also. I have all the expansions too, but that'll be next week.

ESO is technically B2P. you don't need to pay for anything past the initial game.

Just got back into it this past weekend and started doing fractals. So far its been some good fun.

I tried ESO when it first came out and it just didn't seem like my cup of tea. Has it changed a bunch?

[Gelston]

Just got back into it this past weekend and started doing fractals. So far its been some good fun.

I tried ESO when it first came out and it just didn't seem like my cup of tea. Has it changed a bunch?

Drastically. It can't really describe short of a novel the changes that were made.

[drauz]

Drastically. It can't really describe short of a novel the changes that were made.

I may give it a shot once I get bored with GW2 then.

[Gelston]

I may give it a shot once I get bored with GW2 then.

If you already have the base game, just a one month sub gives you access to all the DLC short of Summerset, so Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood and Morrowind, and all the dungeons and crap associated with those. So it is worth it to do it for a month to check them out. Two new zones were announced at E3 also. They are definitely on their way to filling in all of Tamriel.

The outfit system is probably on par with, or exceeds, GW2 now also.

[Taernath]

I still can't stand the ESO armor/model design.

[Gelston]

I still can't stand the ESO armor/model design.

? There are like, dozens of different types.

[Taernath]

? There are like, dozens of different types.

90% of them have a certain 'scrawny guy with giant torso and a bucket on his head' quality. Plus a lot of it looks painted on and they love their floaty hip armor.

https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/08/Altmer-Rubedo-Leather-Female-Close-Front.jpg

[Gelston]

90% of them have a certain 'scrawny guy with giant torso and a bucket on his head' quality. Plus a lot of it looks painted on and they love their floaty hip armor.

https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/08/Altmer-Rubedo-Leather-Female-Close-Front.jpg

Yeah, a lot of that shit is gone. Some still has the hip shit, but a lot doesn't.

The scrawny guy shit is just how you decide to make your character look. A lot of people do tiny waists with massive torsos.

Outfitting and all that has come a loooong way.

[Gelston]

New expansion out. I got it. I r necromancer.

[Taernath]

I think I finished the vanilla main story last week.

I still stand by my assessment on their ass character models.

[Gelston]

I think I finished the vanilla main story last week.

I still stand by my assessment on their ass character models.

Your eyes are ass.

[Some Rogue]

I've been playing a lot. Got every class to 50 now. Have a small guild with just a friend from WoW and then I am in 2 trade guilds.

[Some Rogue]

9369
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[Derex]

I've been playing a lot. Got every class to 50 now. Have a small guild with just a friend from WoW and then I am in 2 trade guilds.

I think I tried this game out awhile back how’s the grind and loot system? I’m not a huge fan of dailies in order to stay relevant

[Some Rogue]

No grind at all. All content on the world is scaled to your level so the gear is relevant. Once you get to 50 you start gaining champion points to further advance stats. Those max at 810 but the max for gear is 160. Once you get the gear you want, it will stay relevant unless the meta changes. You can target the pieces you want by running the dungeons/raids/crafting.

PVP is separate of course. But there are both Battlegrounds and a Faction combat zone where your battle for keeps/castles/elder scrolls that is a lot of fun too.

[Gelston]

No grind at all. All content on the world is scaled to your level so the gear is relevant. Once you get to 50 you start gaining champion points to further advance stats. Those max at 810 but the max for gear is 160. Once you get the gear you want, it will stay relevant unless the meta changes. You can target the pieces you want by running the dungeons/raids/crafting.

PVP is separate of course. But there are both Battlegrounds and a Faction combat zone where your battle for keeps/castles/elder scrolls that is a lot of fun too.

I see the max is 810, why do I see people with more than that? Special events?4

[Some Rogue]

You can have more but anything over 810 count for nothing more than Epeen. Some day they may raise the cap but they have no current plans for it. They are afraid of power creep.

[RichardCranium]

If I subscribe will you carry me like back in the BC days?

[Some Rogue]

If I subscribe will you carry me like back in the BC days?


https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_6032/60320745.jpg

[Some Rogue]

But seriously, if anyone wants a guild to just shoot the shit in, send me a mail @Rennick. There's only a couple of us in it.

[Gelston]

https://i.imgur.com/Po68MsO.jpg

I have returned. Again.

Love the Necromancer.

[Hightower]

I wish I could appreciate ESO more. Overall it's a solid game. I particularly enjoyed the story elements and it has some cool ideas on class design. It's also action combat, which I prefer to MMOs like FFXIV and WoW, where you tend to just stand there trading hits with opponents until one or the other runs out of health. What kills it for me is the combat feel. The mandatory cancel casting looks and feels bad as do movement and hit-detection in general. I'm not sure why they couldn't get this right, but it ruins an otherwise good game for me.

I'm currently re-trying FFXIV and still stuck on my old mainstay GW2, but I am finding FFXIV really difficult to stick with also because of the combat. 2.5s GCD and too many long, rooted channels. This just doesn't feel good to me. Hopefully one of these upcoming MMOs like New World or AoC will get it right. If not, GW2 has a new expansion coming at least!

[Gelston]

They added companions now. They are pretty cool and fairly customizable. The amount of content that has been put out since release is just staggering.

[Hightower]

They added companions now. They are pretty cool and fairly customizable. The amount of content that has been put out since release is just staggering.

That's the nice part about older games. There's usually a ton of content to play through!

[Gelston]

Downloading again to play new expansion.