Albuquerque PD Shoot Illegal Camper

[cwolff]

I like to give the police the benefit of the doubt but it's hard for me to see it here. They hit this guy with a flashbang then shoot him when he reacts. So far the Police chief is calling it justified. Anyone know more about this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4SzpZbkgjJ8

[Taernath]

http://krqe.com/2014/03/21/apd-officer-involved-shooting-was-justified/

He was apparently arguing with and threatening officers for several hours before he was shot, and has a 20 year history of violent crime and mental illness. However, from what the video shows (and blocks out the last few seconds before he is shot) I didn't see him appear to draw a weapon to justify lethal force. They should have just tased him and been done with it.

[cwolff]

http://krqe.com/2014/03/21/apd-officer-involved-shooting-was-justified/

He was apparently arguing with and threatening officers for several hours before he was shot, and has a 20 year history of violent crime and mental illness. However, from what the video shows (and blocks out the last few seconds before he is shot) I didn't see him appear to draw a weapon to justify lethal force. They should have just tased him and been done with it.

That's a good video of it.

The police chief said that the shooting was justified because Mr. "Boyd made a direct threat towards a canine officer who was unarmed". HAHAHA I understand that Canine's are treated like humans for legal purposes but to call a police dog unarmed is pretty retarded. Was he de-fanged and de-clawed?

I'm intensely uncomfortable with what went down here. It looks like the guy put his backpack on and grabbed his other gear with both hands then was walking down to the officers (which is exactly what they wanted him to do) when the flash bang goes off. They pop a flash bang, release the dog shoot him with tazers and bean bags then with bullets. This all took 10 seconds. Why spend 3 hours talking this guy into giving up just to initiate a contact when he's giving up?

[Wrathbringer]

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[Taernath]

Yeah, I guess less government would have prevented this from happening.

[cwolff]

Yeah, I guess less government would have prevented this from happening.

Too true. The only reason we have crime is because the government calls it crime. No Gov't, No Crime. Problem solved.

[kutter]

Having been someone that has been in situations similar to that, that is, trying to arrest someone that is not compliant and is reacting passive/aggressive, it puts all of your senses into overload. It is impossible to know exactly how to react, one part of your mind is telling you everything is fine and the other is screaming at you that he is not doing as directed so he is a threat. Especially when you know he has a history. I never had anything happen over three hours so I cannot imagine what the LE was feeling but you can bet they were not happy with the situation.

Was it a clean shoot, hard to say from the video exactly, it is not real clear, but I suspect that there is sufficient doubt for any action to be taken against them.

[Candor]

Too true. The only reason we have crime is because the government calls it crime. No Gov't, No Crime. Problem solved.

No government, no police. Watch what happens then...

[Warriorbird]

I feel like they should've hit him with something non lethal sooner.

[Taernath]

Having been someone that has been in situations similar to that, that is, trying to arrest someone that is not compliant and is reacting passive/aggressive, it puts all of your senses into overload.

I've been in those situations as well, but at some point some sort of realization needs to kick in. This is a mentally ill man in the middle of nowhere armed with small pocketknives against several heavily armed police officers. They can afford to wait him out.

[Candor]

I am generally very supportive of police, but in this case I am having trouble understanding the reason for shooting the guy.

[kutter]

I've been in those situations as well, but at some point some sort of realization needs to kick in. This is a mentally ill man in the middle of nowhere armed with small pocketknives against several heavily armed police officers. They can afford to wait him out.

I do not necessarily disagree, my point is that your brain is operating in the rational and instinctual cycles at the same time and in that situation, those two things are in conflict. A long time ago someone I trusted told me before the first time I ever did a boarding on a boat, it is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six, this was reinforced by another wise person telling me, you can survive anything but being dead.

When you are on the edge, especially for a long time, anything can set you off. I am not excusing what they did, had it been me, I hope I would have told him to throw all his shit to me and sit down, then I would have just sat down with my camelback and waited until the idiot got tired and thirsty. I always found tired dehydrated people to be far more compliant, give me a person that had been throwing up for 3 days in rough seas, and I will show you a hardened criminal that is thrilled to see law enforcement.

[Tgo01]

The police chief said that the shooting was justified because Mr. "Boyd made a direct threat towards a canine officer who was unarmed". HAHAHA I understand that Canine's are treated like humans for legal purposes but to call a police dog unarmed is pretty retarded. Was he de-fanged and de-clawed?

The canine officer is the dog handler, not the dog itself.

It's kind of hard to tell from that video but assuming the news story Taernath posted is what happened in the video I kind of have to side with the officers.

They were apparently arguing with the man for 3 hours during which they find out he has a history of violence towards officers, he threatens to kill the officers multiple times, he finally starts moving towards them and they used non lethal means to get him to comply, he does not comply and instead pulls out two knives and makes a threatening move towards the police officer. I'm assuming the whited out part is when he pulled out the knives.

[Latrinsorm]

The standard groups in DDO were 6 and 12 (raid), which seems a lot more sinister now.

[cwolff]

I feel like they should've hit him with something non lethal sooner.

The whole thing's a cluster fuck. I see now that they are saying he threatened the dog handler who was vulnerable because he was controlling the dog.



better video of it is here: http://video.abqjournal.com/APD-Fatal-Foothills-Standoff--Helmet-Cam-25739481?ndn.trackingGroup=90403&ndn.siteSection=abq&ndn.videoId=25739481&freewheel=90403&sitesection=abq&vid=25739481#.Uy8QR_ldUbE

[Taernath]

I don't know why they let the dog off leash in the first place. Then the handler approaches the guy/dog, and because the handler's so close the other guys feel justified shooting him. That's fucked up.

[Tgo01]

better video of it is here: http://video.abqjournal.com/APD-Fatal-Foothills-Standoff--Helmet-Cam-25739481?ndn.trackingGroup=90403&ndn.siteSection=abq&ndn.videoId=25739481&freewheel=90403&sitesection=abq&vid=25739481#.Uy8QR_ldUbE

In that video you can definitely see him pull something out of his pocket, say something to the closest officer and make a move towards him but then he turns away and is then shot.

That's a little tougher to the take the officer's position. Yes the guy had weapons out and did make a threatening move towards the officer...if they had shot him at THAT point I'd say they were right, but they waited until the guy turned around and apparently was walking away before they shot him.

I think it's pretty stupid to be threatening to kill police officers for three hours then pull out a weapon when they are a few feet away from you though.

[Taernath]

I think it's pretty stupid to be threatening to kill police officers for three hours then pull out a weapon when they are a few feet away from you though.

Dude was mentally ill.

[Wrathbringer]

I don't know why they let the dog off leash in the first place. Then the handler approaches the guy/dog, and because the handler's so close the other guys feel justified shooting him. That's fucked up.

Our tax dollars at work keeping us safe. All these guys need to be fired for general incompetence. This situation should have been over in 3 minutes or less. Either it's a situation requiring action or it's not.

[Tgo01]

Dude was mentally ill.

Which means he's probably even more dangerous than a rational person wielding knives :/

[cwolff]

The police chief said that they deployed a whole range of non-lethal force before he was shot. It looks like they flashbanged him and half ass released a dog. Then shot him. When he was down they shot him in the ass with bean bags.

[Tgo01]

They should have just dropped a nuke on his head. It's just New Mexico, right?

[Tgo01]

They should have called in an Army helicopter. What a bunch of noobs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH_Wnzz54Ec

[Tisket]

Our tax dollars at work keeping us safe. All these guys need to be fired for general incompetence. This situation should have been over in 3 minutes or less. Either it's a situation requiring action or it's not.

Come on, man. Had they rushed it, we'd be calling them impatient and cavalier right now.


HAHAHA I understand that Canine's are treated like humans for legal purposes but to call a police dog unarmed is pretty retarded. Was he de-fanged and de-clawed?

I'd shoot someone if they threatened harm to my dogs.

[cwolff]

(CNN) -- Several hundred demonstrators clashed with officers in riot gear in Albuquerque, New Mexico, Sunday in a protest that raged for more than 12 hours, ending around midnight, CNN affiliate KOAT reported. The protesters were enraged by what they called police brutality in the March 16 shooting of James M. Boyd. KOAT reported that Boyd was homeless.
The U.S. Justice Department has opened a criminal investigation into the shooting, as have the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of New Mexico, the Justice Department said in a release.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/31/us/new-mexico-protest-police/index.html?hpt=us_c2