Is Kynlee a GM?

[Tgo01]

Anyone know if Kynlee is a GM? I'm assuming (s)he is based on the following that happened just now but I want to make sure it wasn't another character who was stalking me during this.


A voice whispers in your ear, "Why are you attacking those? Please, TELL me!"

A voice whispers in your ear, "Why are you attacking those? Please, TELL me!"

You quietly say, "Because they have treasure."

A voice whispers in your ear, "Why are you attacking those? Please, TELL me!"

You quietly say, "I just did."

The voice of Kynlee says, "The 'treasure' isn't good for you, since they're so far beneath your level."

Active Players: 244

Staff on duty:

Use WHO HELP for more options.

You quietly ask, "Really?"

Whelp, I guess this is the beginning of the end. Based on the other visit from a GM I got the other day (come to think of it...was that this chick too? Hmm...) I guess the next step is to go ahead and start banning me for made up reasons.

I can't wait for that day to arrive. Watch out everyone! The GMs decide when and where you can hunt from now on!

[FlayedAngel]

That was probably just a script check, I'd guess.

[Tgo01]

That was probably just a script check, I'd guess.

The script checking part I had no problem with, it was the comment that the 'treasure' was too low for me considering my levels. That went slightly beyond a script check.

[Tgo01]

Based on the other visit from a GM I got the other day (come to think of it...was that this chick too? Hmm...)

Holy shit, it is:

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?89003-Scripters-and-the-pawn-shop&p=1639953#post1639953

I guess I have become her personal project.

[Warriorbird]

Holy shit, it is:

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?89003-Scripters-and-the-pawn-shop&p=1639953#post1639953

I guess I have become her personal project.

Driving customers away is a srs bsns.

[Latrinsorm]

Terrence and Kynlee, sitting in a tree
B-A-N-N-I-N-G

[Buckwheet]

Basically my experience has been that for whatever reason, someone will report you because you and them share the same schedule. The GM has a similar schedule and as such when they login there are reports or whatever for them to look at. They get annoyed about player A complaining about player B and so you get pulled, script checked, or whatever. During that time period you say something sarcastic, derogatory or just give them the attitude of Hey you caught me but you didn't catch me because I am scripting but just here at the keyboard.

So they have your number and they just wait to slap you around with the warning hammer or ban hammer because its "fun" to do that and they hope you get the message to just go away so they can stop policing the game.

I think Solomon and a few others just enjoy it because well you paid your money and they don't give a crap if you don't come back because the reality is that you are not one of the sheep just paying to play you are in the minority and someone else will simply pick up your slack.

It happened to me once where a player was pissed on lnet and in game that I wouldn't rescue them from OTF when they were dead. I personally don't rescue anyone in OTF and I don't expect to be rescued there myself so I just instantly depart. So for a few days after that while I was using bigshot to hunt I would get script checked. Then I just stopped playing that character for a month or so and moved to someone else and it never happened again.

[Gelston]

There is no Kynlee. It is all a figment of your imagination.

[Tgo01]

Driving customers away is a srs bsns.

Well someone's gotta do it I guess.


So they have your number and they just wait to slap you around with the warning hammer or ban hammer because its "fun" to do that and they hope you get the message to just go away so they can stop policing the game.

It's beginning to look that way for me. I have a feeling I'll get another visit from this GM in a couple of days.


There is no Kynlee. It is all a figment of your imagination.

:O!

[Taernath]

Quit being so HMC!

(do they still have that policy?)

[GuildRat]

[QUOTE=Buckwheet;1642020]Basically my experience has been that for whatever reason, someone will report you because you and them share the same schedule. The GM has a similar schedule and as such when they login there are reports or whatever for them to look at. They get annoyed about player A complaining about player B and so you get pulled, script checked, or whatever. During that time period you say something sarcastic, derogatory or just give them the attitude of Hey you caught me but you didn't catch me because I am scripting but just here at the keyboard.

So they have your number and they just wait to slap you around with the warning hammer or ban hammer because its "fun" to do that and they hope you get the message to just go away so they can stop policing the game.

I share the same schedule with a few scipters....AFK, non-responsive or whatnot. I personally don't care and wouldn't waste the time to report them. I have them high-lighted in red to not help them out if they're in a jam as they've scripted right by me while I was.

[Tgo01]

Quit being so HMC!

(do they still have that policy?)

That depends...what is HMC?

[GuildRat]

High Maintenance Character

[Tgo01]

High Maintenance Character

lawl

Oh man, I wonder if that's what I'm classified as because other people keep reporting me for afk scripting even though I'm not afk scripting.

[Gelston]

It was still under policy last I played about a year ago. Whether or not they actually still apply it, I don't know.

[Tgo01]

It's still listed under policy, page 20:

GemStone IV Player Policy: High Maintenance Guests

In certain situations, the overall pattern of behavior on an account or a set of linked accounts may be determined to be disruptive or abusive, even if no one single act clearly violates any specific policy.

In such cases, Simutronics reserves the right to determine what patterns of behavior are defined as "high-maintenance" or "disruptive" and may take action against the account(s), ranging from a simple request to moderate/control the high-maintenance behavior, to total lockout of all linked accounts.

Well that kind of gives GMs leeway to do pretty much whatever they want.

[diethx]

I seriously don't understand why anyone even plays this game anymore, seeing as how it's run and how it has been run for so many years. Not to say some of the GMs aren't completely awesome, because some of them are, but they are the minority.

[Tgo01]

I seriously don't understand why anyone even plays this game anymore, seeing as how it's run and how it has been run for so many years. Not to say some of the GMs aren't completely awesome, because some of them are, but they are the minority.

It's like text crack.

[subzero]

Anyone know if Kynlee is a GM? I'm assuming (s)he is based on the following that happened just now but I want to make sure it wasn't another character who was stalking me during this.



Whelp, I guess this is the beginning of the end. Based on the other visit from a GM I got the other day (come to think of it...was that this chick too? Hmm...) I guess the next step is to go ahead and start banning me for made up reasons.

I can't wait for that day to arrive. Watch out everyone! The GMs decide when and where you can hunt from now on!

Tell her to do like Michael and beat it. If they have a problem with higher level people hunting lower level shit for treasure, they have a couple options: Make loot inherently better at higher levels to entice people to hunt more level-appropriate targets, possibly adding some new places for people to hunt outside of the three you're currently stuck with near cap. That wouldn't guarantee anything, though, so the next step would be to eliminate loot/coin drops from mobs that are whatever magic number of levels below the character that make hunting them a criminal offense to begin with.

[Jarvan]

I always thought it was funny that GS is the only MMO or RPG I know where loot and coin doesn't scale as you level. Level 5 kill a orc... possibly same outcome as someone killing a Triton.

Imagine WoW if you got only 5 coppers from killing a level 85 mob or boss.

[Tgo01]

Tell her to do like Michael and beat it. If they have a problem with higher level people hunting lower level shit for treasure, they have a couple options: Make loot inherently better at higher levels to entice people to hunt more level-appropriate targets, possibly adding some new places for people to hunt outside of the three you're currently stuck with near cap. That wouldn't guarantee anything, though, so the next step would be to eliminate loot/coin drops from mobs that are whatever magic number of levels below the character that make hunting them a criminal offense to begin with.

I was about to have a conversation with her about this stuff if she kept going but she didn't reply after I said "really?" so I'm assuming she moved on after she "told me."


I always thought it was funny that GS is the only MMO or RPG I know where loot and coin doesn't scale as you level. Level 5 kill a orc... possibly same outcome as someone killing a Triton.

Imagine WoW if you got only 5 coppers from killing a level 85 mob or boss.

No kidding. When I started hunting plane 4 of the rift I thought I was going to be rich from selling all of those crawler teeth and tentacles to the furrier, y'know considering the skins came from level 98 and 102 critters (and the teeth weigh like 2 pounds each.) Man the skins are worth less than skins from some level 20 critters.

The only saving grace is other players are willing to pay more than what the furrier will give because they are magnificent quality because they need them for bounties.

[Ceyrin]

Tgo1, are you that character who will unstun or cast defensive spells at someone, as part of your script? Starts with a 'B'.

[Tgo01]

Tgo1, are you that character who will unstun or cast defensive spells at someone, as part of your script? Starts with a 'B'.

He used to cast defensive spells at others but people started to bitch about that so he doesn't anymore. I just recently moved him to plane 4 of the rift though so he's probably not in the area you are familiar with him being in.

[Ceyrin]

Pretty sure I saw him there two days ago, if it is who I think it is. Anyway, thanks for the unstun (with an oak wand).

[Tgo01]

Pretty sure I saw him there two days ago, if it is who I think it is. Anyway, thanks for the unstun (with an oak wand).

Of course. My characters will unstun, pull people up, unweb (either with spell or opaline dust), they used to spell people up until people started bitching about that too. Seriously, people bitched that I cast defensive spells at them. My characters will also stop if they see a dead body on the ground and I (almost) always go back to assist. The only times I don't is if someone is already in the room helping them or sometimes if I'm on the trail from landing/icemule and they are in an area where I can't fog I usually just keep going to the next town to see if someone else can go help them because honestly there isn't much I can do in that scenario anyways.

[Ceyrin]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I followed this character around pinefar environs several days ago for a few minutes to see if he'd keep spelling me up.

The only thing I can see (and I speak from experience at this point... I think), is that it's jarring sometimes... because your guy does his thing and he's just gone, superfast. I'm left with this 'wtfjusthappened' feeling for several seconds as I try and figure out why some dude randomly did X on his way through.

[Allereli]

your playing style seems more appropriate for shattered.

be careful on the path you're going down, it was posted that each instance of script checking can take 40-45 minutes of a GM's time. Eventually they just get sick of it and down comes the ban hammer.

I'm not trying to bash you, I've just seen this happen over and over and I know you're not a bad guy.

[subzero]

I always thought it was funny that GS is the only MMO or RPG I know where loot and coin doesn't scale as you level. Level 5 kill a orc... possibly same outcome as someone killing a Triton.

Imagine WoW if you got only 5 coppers from killing a level 85 mob or boss.

Yeah, it's pretty stupid. Even more-so when it causes people to complain about it to the point that GMs are telling people it's not worthwhile for them, which is pretty much a lie since you can still get decent loot with zero risk as opposed to slightly better loot with a significantly higher risk.



be careful on the path you're going down, it was posted that each instance of script checking can take 40-45 minutes of a GM's time. Eventually they just get sick of it and down comes the ban hammer.

Maybe they should tell the people who keep falsely reporting AFK scripting to lay off then?

[Gelston]

Eventually they just get sick of it and down comes the ban hammer.

No, it doesn't happen like that at all.

[Taernath]

No, it doesn't happen like that at all.

With the way the HMC policy is worded it can.

[Allereli]

Maybe they should tell the people who keep falsely reporting AFK scripting to lay off then?

except they feel like he's being disruptive, and he's not responsive otherwise. If you're going to be an asshole to people, that's how you'll be treated in return.

It is how it goes. he becomes high maintenance and a drain on resources.

also, copping an attitude on the officials isn't helping your cause.

[Tgo01]

also, copping an attitude on the officials isn't helping your cause.

I don't think I'm copping an attitude :/

In fact this is how it usually plays out on the officials; the GMs are automatically right, anyone who disagrees with them is automatically wrong and a big meanie head and the defenders of GMs everywhere start getting testy and angry that someone dares question a GM.

[Tgo01]

It is how it goes. he becomes high maintenance and a drain on resources.

Kind of a scary thought if that's how GMs view things.

So if I ever want to get someone in trouble I just gotta get a few friends together and report them and say "Well I personally feel they are being disruptive" even though they really aren't and the GMs are going to punish the person anyways because they are now "high maintenance."

I thought most people who play this game left high school like 20-30 years ago.

[Taernath]

I thought most people who play this game left high school like 20-30 years ago.

Maybe physically.

[Allereli]

Kind of a scary thought if that's how GMs view things.

So if I ever want to get someone in trouble I just gotta get a few friends together and report them and say "Well I personally feel they are being disruptive" even though they really aren't and the GMs are going to punish the person anyways because they are now "high maintenance."

I thought most people who play this game left high school like 20-30 years ago.

take my advice or keep going with it. I'm trying to help you out here. the game is not a democracy and you don't have any guaranteed freedoms. yes, it's their game, they can do what they want in the end. it's been like that since the beginning.

[Tgo01]

Maybe physically.

Touche, salesman.


take my advice or keep going with it. I'm trying to help you out here. the game is not a democracy and you don't have any guaranteed freedoms. yes, it's their game, they can do what they want in the end. it's been like that since the beginning.

I know you're trying to be helpful but if I can't play the game the way I enjoy then I might as well not even play it. So I guess either way the whiners are going to win; either I'll be banned for playing the game the way I enjoy or I'll quit because I can't play the game the way I enjoy.

That's some good business practice right there on Simu's part. "Hey we got reports from a couple of people like...they saw 10 extra game lines thrown in with the normal 100+ game lines! We gotta fix this shit! I know! Let's ban the long time customer who gives us around 100 dollars a month to appease a couple of people who pay us 15 bucks a month who are probably going to quit the game in a month or two anyways."

[SHAFT]

Relax. Keep calm. Play the game.

[Taernath]

There's no guarantee you'll be banned, just the possibility if they really want to push it. I don't know Kynlee, maybe she's one of the good ones, but you are definitely on her radar.

Anyone got a link to the official thread?

[Allereli]

if you keep getting reported, how about putting some sort of negative response in when someone is trying to get your attention, like a scowl or a frown or an eye roll.

[waywardgs]

So I guess either way the whiners are going to win

History is written by the whiners.

[Tgo01]

Anyone got a link to the official thread?

link (http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Discussions%20with%20Simutronics/The%20Bad,%20and%20the%20Ugly%20%28general%20compl aints%29/thread/1626223?get_newest=true)


if you keep getting reported, how about putting some sort of negative response in when someone is trying to get your attention, like a scowl or a frown or an eye roll.

I have a feeling no matter what I did people would think it's just part of my script and report me anyways.

[Candor]

I don't have any problem with scripters unless they interfere with my own hunting. My only real complaint is that there are a few scripters who don't allow for a disk being in the room for those who hide/ambush. I have reported characters on three occasions who attacked critters who were already stunned or on the ground, with my disk in the room. In each case, I waited until it happened at least twice with no communication.

Some folks might be annoyed with me for reporting players, but if you're going to hunt with a defective script and be away from your screen, tough cookies.

[Taernath]

I'm always amused by the differences between the officials and here. Looks like a lot of the usual suspects are still around.

[Gemstones]

I seriously don't understand why anyone even plays this game anymore, seeing as how it's run and how it has been run for so many years. Not to say some of the GMs aren't completely awesome, because some of them are, but they are the minority.

I have to give a big shout out to Kenstrom.

Some of the bad GMs left. Stump, Andraste, to name a few.

[subzero]

except they feel like he's being disruptive, and he's not responsive otherwise. If you're going to be an asshole to people, that's how you'll be treated in return.

Maybe you can tell me how it is that some actions that result in lines of text being displayed on the screen are disruptive while other actions that result in lines of text on the screen are not then. I've asked before and got no response. Is it the speed of the lines appearing? Length? Person/character behind it? The OOC knowledge that the person/character in question is scripting?

The bottom line is he's not breaking any policy aside from, "Don't bother the whiny twats". If I find it disruptive that people openly chat in my presence, are those people going to be told by a GM that they should take their conversation elsewhere? If not, why?


It is how it goes. he becomes high maintenance and a drain on resources.


Guess that depends on your perspective. If I kept seeing the same people report the same person and I repeatedly find that the person is not in violation of the policy they're obviously claiming he's violating, why is the scripter the disruptive, high maintenance character and not the people doing the reporting?

Seems similar to making false reports to the police to me. If your neighbor keeps calling the cops out on bogus accusations, they don't just get tired of being called to check on you and arrest you. They tell the idiot neighbor to knock it off or they're getting hauled in.


Kind of a scary thought if that's how GMs view things.

So if I ever want to get someone in trouble I just gotta get a few friends together and report them and say "Well I personally feel they are being disruptive" even though they really aren't and the GMs are going to punish the person anyways because they are now "high maintenance."

I thought most people who play this game left high school like 20-30 years ago.

When you cancel your account(s), be sure to tell them it's because virtually every action you make in the game results in lines of text that are disruptively forced upon the eyeballs and screens of other players.

Maybe they could even make some sort of toggle that allows people to completely filter out all lines of text coming from players that have been 'turned off'.


the game is not a democracy and you don't have any guaranteed freedoms. yes, it's their game, they can do what they want in the end. it's been like that since the beginning.

The problem is allowing the players to harass another by constantly reporting the person who, upon being 'inspected', is not breaking the law. They should tell the people making false reports to knock it off, but I think they end up with zealot GMs who won't do that and would rather hound the player being reported.



I know you're trying to be helpful but if I can't play the game the way I enjoy then I might as well not even play it. So I guess either way the whiners are going to win; either I'll be banned for playing the game the way I enjoy or I'll quit because I can't play the game the way I enjoy.

That's some good business practice right there on Simu's part. "Hey we got reports from a couple of people like...they saw 10 extra game lines thrown in with the normal 100+ game lines! We gotta fix this shit! I know! Let's ban the long time customer who gives us around 100 dollars a month to appease a couple of people who pay us 15 bucks a month who are probably going to quit the game in a month or two anyways."

I know it's hard to give in to the whiners, but fuck it. Gemstone is over-priced, over-policed, and woefully lacking in development. There are plenty of other games out there, free or otherwise, that don't suffer from the same bullshit Simu hands its customers.


Relax. Keep calm. Play the game.

The Gemstone police don't want him to play. Or at least not the way he wants to play. I imagine they'd be fine with him playing if he conforms to their standards. Fuck that noise.

[Gelston]

With the way the HMC policy is worded it can.

Look at the people who have claimed to be HMC before, like Michaelous and such. They were doing a lot more than AFK scripting (and not saying Tg0 is, he obviously is passing checks if he is posting about them here.) They were being very disruptive, killing folks in nonconsensual PvP, killing merchants, and mostly being massive douchebags. Just type in a few character names on here and you can see the shit they did via player logs. As far as what he has posted here, he has been checked twice for AFK scripting and he passed those checks.

Maybe if he starts to actually get violations, that'll be a different story.

[Gemstones]

Terrence and Kynlee, sitting in a tree
B-A-N-N-I-N-G

Quite witty you are.

[Methais]

All I know is that Kynlee fixed a bunch of shit that was wrong with my house that I didn't even know was wrong with it in the first place, therefore she kicks ass.

[Gemstones]

Don't forget that Kynlee extorted 1565 coins from you.

[Methais]

Don't forget that Kynlee extorted 1565 coins from you.

Quoted for his first good post.

[Tgo01]

I want to rep you for your post on the officials Methais, but apparently I've recently told you how awesome you are.

[Methais]

but apparently I've recently told you how awesome you are.

Most people seem to have that problem. I understand.

[Jhynnifer]

I seriously don't understand why anyone even plays this game anymore, seeing as how it's run and how it has been run for so many years. Not to say some of the GMs aren't completely awesome, because some of them are, but they are the minority.

Some of us play because we rarely have to deal with that aspect. I have bad experiences as well, though it's mostly on the merchant side. Apparently they've clamped down on their alteration restrictions lately, they don't tell you WHY your idea doesn't meet guidelines, they just say no. And heaven forbid you actually make an intelligent argument for why something should be allowed or if another GM who isn't as much of a hardass let's you do it... they'll just bitch at them until they change your shit on you so they get their way. It really takes a lot of the fun out of getting work done at merchants. BUT YES BACK TO YOUR SCHEDULED COMPLAINT.

[ZeP]

I have to give a big shout out to Kenstrom.

Some of the bad GMs left. Stump, Andraste, to name a few.

How was Stump a bad GM?

[caelric]

Tg, the problem is that you are not playing the game the 'right' way. In other words, you are playing it different than them, and their way is the 'one true way' to play the game. So, you get reported.

Was going to say something similiar on the officials, but I saw the way that thread was going, and didn't bother.

Fuck them.

[Methais]

Add this to your script:


put act roleplays all over the place

[Jeril]

Most people seem to have that problem. I understand.

I repped you! Haha! Take that!

[Candor]

I don't think I'm copping an attitude :/

In fact this is how it usually plays out on the officials; the GMs are automatically right, anyone who disagrees with them is automatically wrong and a big meanie head and the defenders of GMs everywhere start getting testy and angry that someone dares question a GM.

I suggest you learn to do as you're told and stop whining before greater punishments have to be administered.

[Parkbandit]

link (http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Discussions%20with%20Simutronics/The%20Bad,%20and%20the%20Ugly%20%28general%20compl aints%29/thread/1626223?get_newest=true)

Hilarious. Now she's telling you how to roleplay your character as well.

BE NICE AND TALK TO PEOPLE!

[diethx]

Some of us play because we rarely have to deal with that aspect. I have bad experiences as well, though it's mostly on the merchant side. Apparently they've clamped down on their alteration restrictions lately, they don't tell you WHY your idea doesn't meet guidelines, they just say no. And heaven forbid you actually make an intelligent argument for why something should be allowed or if another GM who isn't as much of a hardass let's you do it... they'll just bitch at them until they change your shit on you so they get their way. It really takes a lot of the fun out of getting work done at merchants. BUT YES BACK TO YOUR SCHEDULED COMPLAINT.

The point is - none of this is ever going to get better. It'll only get worse. The people who make the decisions in this game don't see you as people and players who should be valued, not even customers. They see you as chumps for the milking. Just look at this most recent CCF. They suddenly needed some last minute cash, and boom, CCF. Now, I know that none of you will see this as a bad thing. Everyone wants events, even ones that cost $200. But it's the whole mind set. The people who make the decisions don't give a fuck about your wants or happiness, they care about making a buck off your back. Nothing will change, things will only get worse. The only way to force change is a mass exodus... and while I'd love to see people finally get their heads straight and force change, I really doubt that'll ever happen.

[prance1520]

A lot of you guys are missing the point and jumping on Simu because thats what these boards have turned into.

The community (and because of that, Simu) has a problem with scripting because computers are SIGNIFICANTLY faster than people. A person hunting in the same zone as a scripter is getting overwhelmed and can't complete because they are playing at human speed and you are playing at superman on crack speed. Simu is simply trying to protect those who don't script.

If you took your hunting script, and added wait 3 into every place it took a real person to read the messaging, you'd get far less complaints.

[diethx]

If you took your hunting script, and added wait 3 into every place it took a real person to read the messaging, you'd get far less complaints.

So you're saying that people hunting manually wait 3 seconds moving between each and every room because they're reading the room messaging? Because that's what people seem to be complaining about, him moving in and out of rooms too fast. I used to hunt manually and I'd speed through a hunting area until I found a mob. Everyone does.

[prance1520]

It takes far more time for you to recognize where you are at and notice if a creature is there and you need to stop and kill it than a script, even if your speeding through an area (which I also do). Have a race to a mob against ;wander and see how often you win.

[GuildRat]

A lot of you guys are missing the point and jumping on Simu because thats what these boards have turned into.

The community (and because of that, Simu) has a problem with scripting because computers are SIGNIFICANTLY faster than people. A person hunting in the same zone as a scripter is getting overwhelmed and can't complete because they are playing at human speed and you are playing at superman on crack speed. Simu is simply trying to protect those who don't script.

If you took your hunting script, and added wait 3 into every place it took a real person to read the messaging, you'd get far less complaints.

I find this funny. The reason being is, that half the time when I move, my disk is a room behind and scripters see the disk and move on. This gives me an extra room that may or may not have a critter in. I don't mind scripters in the least. What I do mind is a dead/disabled person that is non-responsive to queries to help or scripting past me when I may be in need of a helping hand.

Again, this is why I highlight certain names.

[diethx]

I didn't say the scripts weren't faster. I did say that no one waits 3 seconds in between rooms.

[prance1520]

Fine, we can use wait 1 or wait 2, thats not really my point...

As for the non-responsive help, as dickish as it is, no one is required to help you even if they aren't scripting. Thats why your highlighting names works, but thats probably not something the community can solve.

[GuildRat]

Fine, we can use wait 1 or wait 2, thats not really my point...

As for the non-responsive help, as dickish as it is, no one is required to help you even if they aren't scripting. Thats why your highlighting names works, but thats probably not something the community can solve.

Agreed. It's still frustrating to no end.

[Buckwheet]

Fine, we can use wait 1 or wait 2, thats not really my point...

As for the non-responsive help, as dickish as it is, no one is required to help you even if they aren't scripting. Thats why your highlighting names works, but thats probably not something the community can solve.

I already supplied GuildRat a complete list of my guys. If you want the same let me know.

[Taernath]

Maybe if he starts to actually get violations, that'll be a different story.

That's the point. You can be banned even if you don't violate any policies under HMC.

[Buckwheet]

To clarify from earlier. I am not trying to be a dick. But traditionally once people know all the guys I play three things happen.

1. People beg and beg and beg for something like a spellup or rescue knowing I am seeing their requests, just not on a character that is able to perform that function. Example: I am on my bard killing and they want a rescue/raise from my cleric.
2. People see me enter raffles or events with multiple characters and bitch about it or complain about MAing in general.
3. People don't separate out me from the characters once they know. Example: I am on my slave warrior assessing and offer some help and have to tell someone who I am "out of game" so they trust the assessment and that I am not going to steal their item, and then ask for "Buckwheet" on lnet to come help them again. If you want "Buckwheet" for a in game service like singing or assessment..send me a message on AIM or PM. If you are looking to pickup a sale item or something that different.

I don't usually help people with lost items, or rescues, or raises. But sometimes I do cave. I may be scripting, or I may not be. So the catch 22 I am in is I can publicize everything and deal with the folks who like MAers when it suits them and hate them when it doesn't, or not even MAers, just knowing you are two different characters and see you on one but not the other. Or I just say fuck it, like I have been, and do my thing.

Oh well. /crai more.

[Candor]

So you're saying that people hunting manually wait 3 seconds moving between each and every room because they're reading the room messaging? Because that's what people seem to be complaining about, him moving in and out of rooms too fast. I used to hunt manually and I'd speed through a hunting area until I found a mob. Everyone does.

"Everyone"?? Every single person playing the game, every player, plays the way you do?

I think you need to learn that not EVERYone thinks the way you do, plays the way you do, and gets annoyed by the same things you do.

[Tgo01]

A lot of you guys are missing the point and jumping on Simu because thats what these boards have turned into.

I wouldn't say these boards have turned into Simu bashing, more that the officials are generally reserved for Simu ass kissing and Simu bashing is quickly stopped by the GMs. Can't say I totally blame Simu for that part; it is their forums after all. But this is more like a place where people can discuss things without being silenced for saying the wrong things.


The community (and because of that, Simu) has a problem with scripting because computers are SIGNIFICANTLY faster than people. A person hunting in the same zone as a scripter is getting overwhelmed and can't complete because they are playing at human speed and you are playing at superman on crack speed. Simu is simply trying to protect those who don't script.

I have never gotten a single complaint that I was killing things too fast. The complaints I receive are I "move too fast", my character is too high of a level for the area he's in and I don't respond to others.


If you took your hunting script, and added wait 3 into every place it took a real person to read the messaging, you'd get far less complaints.

3 seconds? I rushed through rooms in under a second even before I used scripts.


It takes far more time for you to recognize where you are at and notice if a creature is there and you need to stop and kill it than a script, even if your speeding through an area (which I also do).

Actually if anything I moved through even more rooms before I started scripting. I would get so used to a hunting area I would know exactly which direction to move and when so since most rooms were empty I would just keep moving through rooms and most of the time I would pass up a room with a critter in it then I would backtrack to that room and kill it.

[subzero]

A lot of you guys are missing the point and jumping on Simu because thats what these boards have turned into.

The community (and because of that, Simu) has a problem with scripting because computers are SIGNIFICANTLY faster than people. A person hunting in the same zone as a scripter is getting overwhelmed and can't complete because they are playing at human speed and you are playing at superman on crack speed. Simu is simply trying to protect those who don't script.

If you took your hunting script, and added wait 3 into every place it took a real person to read the messaging, you'd get far less complaints.

Delays can cause death. Why should someone risk dying because you can't or won't squelch a couple lines?

[Latrinsorm]

your playing style seems more appropriate for shattered.

be careful on the path you're going down, it was posted that each instance of script checking can take 40-45 minutes of a GM's time. Eventually they just get sick of it and down comes the ban hammer.

I'm not trying to bash you, I've just seen this happen over and over and I know you're not a bad guy.If it really takes that long, shame on Simu for having such an absurdly complicated system.
The community (and because of that, Simu) has a problem with scripting because computers are SIGNIFICANTLY faster than people. A person hunting in the same zone as a scripter is getting overwhelmed and can't complete because they are playing at human speed and you are playing at superman on crack speed. Simu is simply trying to protect those who don't script.You say the community, but what if the majority of the community are scripters?

You say Simu is trying to protect those who don't script, what about those who have slower internet connections or reaction times?

You say they can't compete, but when did GS become a competition?

.

Wouldn't it be simpler for Simu to reallocate the resources expended in pursuit of fairness to making more hunting areas?

[Tgo01]

If it really takes that long, shame on Simu for having such an absurdly complicated system.

This was my reaction too when I first read that on the officials. When someone was whining that my scripting was taking away valuable GM resource time because they had to script check me I told them I would be surprised if it took 5 minutes of a GM's time. A GM chimed in that it takes upwards of an hour to investigate a claim of afk scripting. I don't know if that GM was full of it to rouse the rabblers or if there is some stupid protocol they must follow that takes entirely too long.

[Methais]

If a GM is taking that long to complete a script check, they're either full of shit or just incompetent.

I reported a scripter years ago back when I gave a shit, and within about 5 minutes Aelsidhe popped in, exposed him, and zapped him to the lounge.

Of course that was Aelsidhe, and not the current batch of noobs running this game, but still...it's easy enough to spot scripters as a player. With all the tools available to a GM it shouldn't take anywhere close to 45 minutes.

[Gelston]

That's the point. You can be banned even if you don't violate any policies under HMC.

You won't get on HMC without violations. Again, look at past players who claimed to be HMC. They did a lot more shit to get on that list.

[Latrinsorm]

If a GM is taking that long to complete a script check, they're either full of shit or just incompetent.

I reported a scripter years ago back when I gave a shit, and within about 5 minutes Aelsidhe popped in, exposed him, and zapped him to the lounge.

Of course that was Aelsidhe, and not the current batch of noobs running this game, but still...it's easy enough to spot scripters as a player. With all the tools available to a GM it shouldn't take anywhere close to 45 minutes.Maybe they have to check your permanent record, and they're kept on floppy disks, and they aren't sorted or labeled in any way. I could see it taking 45 minutes to check 20 years worth of floppy disks. General failure reading drive A: abort, retry, ban?

[prance1520]

Tgo, I know your addressing my post, but I don't think your addressing my point. Do you actually think you as a human can outcompete bigshot? If so, I'd love to see some stats.


Delays can cause death. Why should someone risk dying because you can't or won't squelch a couple lines?
Maybe other people are worried about the screen scroll lines, but I'm talking about competing for kills against a far superior competitor. Your making my point, scripts > humans because they remove (human) delays.

Because you have an instance where humans are encouraged to play at human speed, using an all encompassing script is going to be oppressive to human players.


If it really takes that long, shame on Simu for having such an absurdly complicated system.You say the community, but what if the majority of the community are scripters?

Simu recognized there is a group of people who enjoy this style of play, and they opened Shattered because of it. Why are people who enjoy the style of play in Prime rather than Shattered? My guess is probably because Prime has a cash economy, which opens a whole different discussion.


You say they can't compete, but when did GS become a competition?

Gemstone has limited resources (mob spawn rate), so there is a level of competition. Its not really noticeable until something (like a computer playing) is so efficient that it affects your ability to get a reasonable % of those resources.


Wouldn't it be simpler for Simu to reallocate the resources expended in pursuit of fairness to making more hunting areas?

If the new area is more lucrative, won't the scriptures just go there? So the human players are always forced to react to the scripters, not to what they want to be doing.

[Methais]

Gemstone has limited resources (mob spawn rate), so there is a level of competition. Its not really noticeable until something (like a computer playing) is so efficient that it affects your ability to get a reasonable % of those resources.

If I'm under hunting an area without scripts, and you're hunting the area like leveled with bigshot, I'm still going to get the majority of the kills unless you're able to one shot anything you see or clear out an entire room in under 3 seconds.

What would your complaint be then, just out of curiosity?

[caelric]

using an all encompassing script is going to be oppressive to human players.

Ooooohhhh poor me, I am oppressed!

Not knowing you one bit, but seeing that line, trust me when I say you wouldn't know oppression if it bit you in the ass.

[Methais]

"Everyone"?? Every single person playing the game, every player, plays the way you do?

I think you need to learn that not EVERYone thinks the way you do, plays the way you do, and gets annoyed by the same things you do.

When you're hunting, do you stop and read every room description before moving to the next room, even if you've already read it 394829 times? Or do you just run around as fast as you can looking for things to kill?

Curious as to what else people even could do besides zip back and forth through an area until they find something to kill, unless they just have some fetish for pausing between rooms for no useful reason.

[Gelston]

I didn't script hunt. I've seen plenty of scripters in my hunting areas though. Never bothered me. Any more then when cable came out and I was still on 56k.

[prance1520]

If I'm under hunting an area without scripts, and you're hunting the area like leveled with bigshot, I'm still going to get the majority of the kills unless you're able to one shot anything you see or clear out an entire room in under 3 seconds.

What would your complaint be then, just out of curiosity?

Would I? Probably not, I'm a pretty efficient player. If someone asks you nicely to because they aren't overly efficient and its hurting them, would you be willing to stop? This isn't a hard and fast rule folks, its about playing in the game together and trying to respect each other while your doing it.

Hi Taak, its Vorks. We're normally pretty friendly, no reason to make this personal.

[Latrinsorm]

Simu recognized there is a group of people who enjoy this style of play, and they opened Shattered because of it. Why are people who enjoy the style of play in Prime rather than Shattered? My guess is probably because Prime has a cash economy, which opens a whole different discussion.Shattered is for AFK scripting (and a bunch of other things). When I played I used scripts, but I never did so AFK and had no interest in doing so. I liked scripting, RP, rules - Prime was the place for me.
Gemstone has limited resources (mob spawn rate), so there is a level of competition. Its not really noticeable until something (like a computer playing) is so efficient that it affects your ability to get a reasonable % of those resources.The rate is limited, but the amount is not. Even if you only get 1 of 10 monsters, you can still kill the same number eventually. A person who uses the Java FE is going to be behind someone on Wizard or Stormfront, it's the same principle as one person choosing to use scripts.
If the new area is more lucrative, won't the scriptures just go there? So the human players are always forced to react to the scripters, not to what they want to be doing.Don't make the new area more lucrative - problem solved! Scripters are not breaking any policy, they have just as much right to do what they want to be doing. This is what happens when two peoples' rights interact, there are going to be conflicts. Remove the interaction, remove the conflict.

[Tsk Tsk]

Plot Twist: Tgo01 is Kynlee

[Tgo01]

Plot Twist: Tgo01 is Kynlee

Oh man I wish I was this creative and evil.

[Taernath]

You won't get on HMC without violations. Again, look at past players who claimed to be HMC. They did a lot more shit to get on that list.

In certain situations, the overall pattern of behavior on an account or a set of linked accounts may be determined to be disruptive or abusive, even if no one single act clearly violates any specific policy.

I don't know man, to me it seems to state pretty clearly that even if you don't break any rules, if you don't break any rules too many times you can still be determined to be HMC. Will that happen? Again, I don't know. Previous HMC bannings (the ones that I'm aware of at least) universally had it coming but the policy is so vague that it's probably a CYA for Simu.

[Alfster]

got a good laugh out of this GM...GS4-SLEKEN
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<<In pretty much every other MMO in existence, or RPGs in general, the higher level the stuff is you're killing, the more loot you get from them.>>

You mean those MMO's/RPG's that make your lower level gear so underpowered upgrading is your only hope? Or those MMO's/RPG's that scale repair costs up and up as you level?


What a fucking idiot.

[Gelston]

I don't know man, to me it seems to state pretty clearly that even if you don't break any rules, if you don't break any rules too many times you can still be determined to be HMC. Will that happen? Again, I don't know. Previous HMC bannings (the ones that I'm aware of at least) universally had it coming but the policy is so vague that it's probably a CYA for Simu.

You have to take into account when HMC was created. There were a lot more players so GMs in general, had less time to deal with one guy taking up their time. You can get violations for stuff that isn't necessarily covered under policy as well. It is all purposely vague. However, I am quite confident in my assertions that they will not turn Tg0 HMC for passing numerous script checks. I am fairly certain he isn't even remotely the only guy doing what he does.

[Taernath]

You have to take into account when HMC was created. There were a lot more players so GMs in general, had less time to deal with one guy taking up their time. You can get violations for stuff that isn't necessarily covered under policy as well. It is all purposely vague. However, I am quite confident in my assertions that they will not turn Tg0 HMC for passing numerous script checks. I am fairly certain he isn't even remotely the only guy doing what he does.

I actually don't think he'd be banned for scripting, but scrolling or disrupting a hunting area. Apparently someone/some people dislike him enough that he's been reported several times.

[Tgo01]

Uh-oh, from WYROM:


Farming in-game currency is a serious issue in all online gaming. Not just GemStone IV. GS was a little more proactive with trying to prevent it, but skinning seems to still be a loophole in the system.

Sounds like skinning is next up on the nerf chopping block.

Congratulations everyone complaining about me; you may have just nerfed your own loot :D

[Ceyrin]

I skin where you skin. That shit can't get any worse, unfortunately.

[Tgo01]

I skin where you skin. That shit can't get any worse, unfortunately.

Never underestimate the power of GS GMs.

[SHAFT]

Uh-oh, from WYROM:



Sounds like skinning is next up on the nerf chopping block.

Congratulations everyone complaining about me; you may have just nerfed your own loot :D

Unless someone straight up jacked some high end gear from me by disarming me or something, I could never complain to a GM about another player. That's like calling the cops on someone. It's a bitch move.

[Tgo01]

Unless someone straight up jacked some high end gear from me by disarming me or something, I could never complain to a GM about another player. That's like calling the cops on someone. It's a bitch move.

Yeah I haven't reported anyone in years. The only time I reported someone to the GMs was when someone was constantly harassing me in game and I did that whole warn interaction thing that ended up doing nothing so I dropped that after a few days too.

[waywardgs]

Snitches get stitches.

[Tgo01]

More from Wyrom:


The majority of end game creatures are balanced better. Where there are obvious areas in those level ranges you mentioned that probably still need to be looked at.

So it sounds like critter loot value at level 100 is "balanced" and anything below that level should have less valued treasure in comparison meaning lower level areas might just be nerfed...for EVERYONE...not just meanie head scripters.

I wonder if this was the outcome those who were reporting me were expecting.

[Gelston]

I think they should just nerf Myklians more.

[Tisket]

Snitches get stitches.

Snitches are lame. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with someone who gets pleasure out of tattling on someone else.

I haven't read anything else in this thread. I just hate snitches in general. Bunch of childish cunts.

[Tisket]

Unless someone straight up jacked some high end gear from me by disarming me or something, I could never complain to a GM about another player. That's like calling the cops on someone. It's a bitch move.

I hate when I agree with shaft. Curses.

[Back]

I'm pretty tolerant also about game stuff... but not calling real cops when they are needed is irresponsible to the point of complicit.

[Gelston]

It depends on what it is. If someone starts peddling drugs in my neighborhood, I'm going to call the cops. I don't want that shit here. If I see someone beating their wife, I'm calling the cops. Of course, we have three LEOs living on my street, so I doubt I'd really have to call anyone.

[subzero]

Maybe other people are worried about the screen scroll lines, but I'm talking about competing for kills against a far superior competitor. Your making my point, scripts > humans because they remove (human) delays.

Because you have an instance where humans are encouraged to play at human speed, using an all encompassing script is going to be oppressive to human players.

I haven't seen anyone claim scripts aren't faster than humans. As far as competition, so what? Scripts or not, there will be people that are at times better/faster than you. There may also be times when there are enough people in the area that they might be hogging all the kills, script or no script. Do some of those people need to get out so you can 'compete'?


Simu recognized there is a group of people who enjoy this style of play, and they opened Shattered because of it. Why are people who enjoy the style of play in Prime rather than Shattered? My guess is probably because Prime has a cash economy, which opens a whole different discussion.

Shattered isn't just for scripting. It's there so people can pretty much do and say what they want. There are no forced IC rules and people can afk script.


Gemstone has limited resources (mob spawn rate), so there is a level of competition. Its not really noticeable until something (like a computer playing) is so efficient that it affects your ability to get a reasonable % of those resources.

People that have more money to burn on GS than you get the vast majority of fun, high-end items in the game, too. Things aren't always equal for people.


If the new area is more lucrative, won't the scriptures just go there? So the human players are always forced to react to the scripters, not to what they want to be doing.

They should just fix their stupid loot system. Yeah, it makes sense in a way, but that doesn't make it a good decision for the game.


This isn't a hard and fast rule folks, its about playing in the game together and trying to respect each other while your doing it.


You're right, that's not a rule at all. It's how you think people should see things. Obviously there are people who don't see it that way. The unfortunate result is that some people whine and bitch about others not playing fair, whatever that means to an individual, or by their made-up rules.


got a good laugh out of this GM...GS4-SLEKEN

<<In pretty much every other MMO in existence, or RPGs in general, the higher level the stuff is you're killing, the more loot you get from them.>>

You mean those MMO's/RPG's that make your lower level gear so underpowered upgrading is your only hope? Or those MMO's/RPG's that scale repair costs up and up as you level?

What a fucking idiot.

Heh. Death in most of those games, that I've seen, doesn't force you into time-out or cost nearly as much as it does in Gemstone. Those other games also don't have common mobs that can and will one-shot or severely cripple you in the blink of an eye. You can and will die in Gemstone by simply passing through an area whether you're looking to engage something or not. Higher risk, higher reward... except in Gemstone.


Uh-oh, from WYROM:
Sounds like skinning is next up on the nerf chopping block.

Congratulations everyone complaining about me; you may have just nerfed your own loot :D

Nice! They should just make it so all loot comes from pay events. It really makes no sense for creatures to have weapons, armor, boxes, or anything else not light-weight and pocket-sized (animals! How do they do it!) in the first place. Most of the creatures certainly can't mine their own gems, so they should just remove 90% of them from the system and drastically reduce coin output since what need for coin and gems do those monsters have? Certainly they don't all love the shinies.


So it sounds like critter loot value at level 100 is "balanced" and anything below that level should have less valued treasure in comparison meaning lower level areas might just be nerfed...for EVERYONE...not just meanie head scripters.

I wonder if this was the outcome those who were reporting me were expecting.

I'm referencing Shattered here, but it shows how flawed their loot system is. I could make more money virtually anywhere other than Nelemar/OTF where people hunted. I guess balance doesn't take hunting pressure into account, which it should.

[Jarvan]

I don't have any problem with scripters unless they interfere with my own hunting. My only real complaint is that there are a few scripters who don't allow for a disk being in the room for those who hide/ambush. I have reported characters on three occasions who attacked critters who were already stunned or on the ground, with my disk in the room. In each case, I waited until it happened at least twice with no communication.

Some folks might be annoyed with me for reporting players, but if you're going to hunt with a defective script and be away from your screen, tough cookies.

You know.. it's funny. I remember the AOL days... when ever other critter you attacked was either killed by someone else, or was someone elses' critter. I don't remember people getting banned for "being disruptive". That was just life. There was more screen scroll from 12 rogues all trying to ambush the same kobold then a person could make with their script.

That being said.. closest I come to script hunting is when I don't feel like dying, and take my youngin out with a capped cleric, have the cleric bind shit, and my guy swings at them automatically. I could care less if others script hunt though, long as they are not AFK. Miss what someone says because you were looking at a diff screen, or cause of to much scroll, sure, happens all the time. If it keeps happening to much, I would likely report as well. Then again.. I have a guy that wouldn't respond to anyone that complained about him anyway. He would just ignore them, hope I don't get script checked on him, lol.

[Methais]

got a good laugh out of this GM...GS4-SLEKEN
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<<In pretty much every other MMO in existence, or RPGs in general, the higher level the stuff is you're killing, the more loot you get from them.>>

You mean those MMO's/RPG's that make your lower level gear so underpowered upgrading is your only hope? Or those MMO's/RPG's that scale repair costs up and up as you level?


What a fucking idiot.

Not every MMO is based all around gear.

Unfortunately though, that's the way most are heading now. :(

[Gelston]

Thread: Is Kynlee a GM?
what if the cops were brutalizing a suspect, would you call a wife-beater?

I'd call a lawyer!

[JackWhisper]

I wasn't going to post on this because TGO's a good friend, and we're bros, but I gotta chime in on this. Whoever posted 'How was Stump a bad GM?' needs their fucking heads checked. Stump's that asshole back when I was a teenager *14-15*, who my friend got an item to be enchanted from 4x-5x *This was when mana pools were being used, not spell times*, and it was a fucking scam ring, and when we reported it, we got some random GM, who then passed it along, and it went to Stump. When Stump found out about it, he couldn't find legitimate proof that the item was my friends. It had passed through my characters, his characters, and the enchanters hands. So you know what he did? He banned my friend permanently. Account had been open 9 months. No previous warnings. *Called billing to check*, I assume he banned the scammer permanently *I asked and kicked and screamed and couldn't get an answer. In retrospect, I respect not being told. Then? I was fucking PISSED*, and I got suspended for 30 days as an accessory to a malicious and disruptive activity. We both stopped playing and started playing Everquest. I didn't come back to Gemstone for a couple years. I fucking murdered that asshole guard in front of Kaladim *Guard Stump* EVERY time I ran by. Damn the faction loss.

Fuck Stump, straight up. My friend and I also, after research, weren't NEARLY the only ones fucked over by Stump. And, though I've never had any personal experience with Andraste, I know she's a bitch and a terrible gm when she was one because she abused her power over several dozen people she did not care for.

I won't speak to Kynlee because I KNOW they play the game on a non-gm account and have friends who naturally speak to her and I'm sure report negative things to her so she remains apprised of her reputation. Won't even try to deflect that, I would too if I was a GM.

The next person scripthunting in my area with MStrike enabled, or a rapid fire wizard, I'm reporting them for the scroll spam. HE'S ATTACKING TOO MUCH! HE SHOULD DO IT ONCE EVERY FIVE SECONDS! That's how much sense the running around shit makes. You know what happens if you get rid of scripts? 60 people quit. You know what happens if Tillmen gets bored and quite running LNet? 260 people quit. Gemstone Prime now has the same population as Platinum.

The additions to this game are what make this game playable. Sure, there's a few purists out there, people that say 'I leveled from 0-100 and I did it manually.'.....Great for you. That's not me. Or TGO. Or the other hundred+ people who script. You are now inflicting your minority attitude on the majority attitude just because Simu agrees with you. They don't. They agree with MONEY. If everyone literally everyone that scripted and used Lich, sat in one room and waited for a GM to show and was going to shut down if revisions were not made, you would not see faster shit get fixed ever. Fat chance you'd get everyone to do that, but please engage that scenario. It would completely destroy GM power because the Player power is that the game shuts down without us. Just think on that. Gemstone population doesn't grow nearly as much as it shrinks. It's just declining because a LOT of people are *ALREADY* gone, and the rest of us have the stomach to swallow the shit they put on us. When people like TGO are threatened like this? That's a bad sign. He's one of the good guys. Plus he designed TPick. He's a fucking god for that.

Just my long two cents. Pardon the interruption. Weather the storm TGO! Fight the power!

[Jarvan]

The point is - none of this is ever going to get better. It'll only get worse. The people who make the decisions in this game don't see you as people and players who should be valued, not even customers. They see you as chumps for the milking. Just look at this most recent CCF. They suddenly needed some last minute cash, and boom, CCF. Now, I know that none of you will see this as a bad thing. Everyone wants events, even ones that cost $200. But it's the whole mind set. The people who make the decisions don't give a fuck about your wants or happiness, they care about making a buck off your back. Nothing will change, things will only get worse. The only way to force change is a mass exodus... and while I'd love to see people finally get their heads straight and force change, I really doubt that'll ever happen.

This from the person that came back last RTCF to try to get a ticket or was it got a ticket from a friend, to make money off the game.

[Jarvan]

Tgo, next time you go out hunting, take a bottle of wine, a basket of goodies and a blanket with you. When she appears.. lay out the stuff and ask her if she would like to discuss it over lunch.


And make sure that you write a script to do all of it too.

[Methais]

I'm posting this here since they'll probably delete it for taking a stab at them for (most likely) funding their shitty dragon game with CCF money....

>You mean those MMO's/RPG's that make your lower level gear so underpowered upgrading is your only hope? Or those MMO's/RPG's that scale repair costs up and up as you level?

>SGM Sleken

Yes, those MMOs. The ones that give you something to do besides kill the same things over and over that you've been killing before you capped and have nothing left to do except farm treasure and max out skills that don't really do anything to improve your character.

Aside from that, believe it or not, not all MMOs are so heavily based on gear like WoW and its clones are. Some are actually based on skills/training Unfortunately, most are heading in the WoW direction these days.

But you bring up an interesting point...which is better for an MMO -- Letting players max out their gear 1/4 of the way through the game? Or continue to give them new goals to strive for to upgrade and improve their character, even at cap, that's based around more than just accumulating coins to sell on the PC because there's nothing worthwhile to spend them on in game without spending $100-200 to attend some festival to fund some other game the company is working on?

All that aside though, there is absolutely no reason why hunting something level 35 should ever yield more treasure than hunting something level 100. If there's some fact of life I'm missing here as far as that goes though, I'd be delighted if you would clue me in.


> Farming in-game currency is a serious issue in all online gaming. Not just GemStone IV. GS was a little more proactive with trying to prevent it, but skinning seems to still be a loophole in the system. -Wyrom

True, but in those games, you don't exactly see capped players swarming into low level areas to clean house. Why? Because they'll still be able to farm much more treasure from stuff their level.

Have you GMs assessed the risk vs. reward in the Scatter for example? With the way that area is, treasure should be dropping like crazy, especially in south Scatter. Instead it's usually junk just like every other capped area. Why is that exactly? Where is the risk vs. reward there?

>We have something called hunting pressure. I assumed someone like yourself understood the fact I said we realize we're top heavy right now. Meaning we have far more capped people hunting in specific areas than we have people hunting stone giants. Treasure is a lot better at the top of the scale. You can find better unique items. But because there are so many more people in OTF, the Rift, or Nelemar, the hunting pressure on those areas are high. You have to chase the loot around between the three areas, and even then, because there are so many of you, it would be very difficult due to the time restraints on travel. What happens is someone else ends up gaining the pressure fluctuations. So while it seems loot is far better at lower levels, it's actually because it's not being hunted so heavy. -Wyrom

Which is probably one of the dumbest features ever introduced into GS when it comes to like leveled critters. For underhunting I see no problem with nerfing loot. But for like leveled stuff, the whole hunting pressure mechanic shouldn't even exist, especially at cap. Do you really think it's reasonable to expect people to play musical chairs with hunting grounds because of such a boneheaded and flawed mechanic like hunting pressure? Especially when you consider how secluded Teras is from the rest of the game. At least going between the Rift and OTF takes maybe 20 minutes, as opposed to 10 hours with Teras.

~ Methais

[JackWhisper]

WTB alter for pill bottle that you can put inside the pocketed wine bottle.

[Methais]

Calling out flawed mechanics that make no sense is whining?

[ZeP]

I wasn't going to post on this because TGO's a good friend, and we're bros, but I gotta chime in on this. Whoever posted 'How was Stump a bad GM?' needs their fucking heads checked. Stump's that asshole back when I was a teenager *14-15*, who my friend got an item to be enchanted from 4x-5x *This was when mana pools were being used, not spell times*, and it was a fucking scam ring, and when we reported it, we got some random GM, who then passed it along, and it went to Stump. When Stump found out about it, he couldn't find legitimate proof that the item was my friends. It had passed through my characters, his characters, and the enchanters hands. So you know what he did? He banned my friend permanently. Account had been open 9 months. No previous warnings. *Called billing to check*, I assume he banned the scammer permanently *I asked and kicked and screamed and couldn't get an answer. In retrospect, I respect not being told. Then? I was fucking PISSED*, and I got suspended for 30 days as an accessory to a malicious and disruptive activity. We both stopped playing and started playing Everquest. I didn't come back to Gemstone for a couple years. I fucking murdered that asshole guard in front of Kaladim *Guard Stump* EVERY time I ran by. Damn the faction loss.

Fuck Stump, straight up. My friend and I also, after research, weren't NEARLY the only ones fucked over by Stump. And, though I've never had any personal experience with Andraste, I know she's a bitch and a terrible gm when she was one because she abused her power over several dozen people she did not care for.!

I did have my head checked fairly recently, but they didn't find anything wrong.

But hold on here, you got an item enchanted by a scam ring and then snitched on the ring? How was it a scam ring? I remember people gaming the enchant mechanics (stealing pools comes to mind) but I don't remember any enchant scams.

[JackWhisper]

The guy wasn't an enchanter, he took the item and money and ran.

[Tsk Tsk]

There were some serious assholes that played in GS3. Hard to imagine... but there were more then than now.

[Gemstones]

There were some serious assholes that played in GS3. Hard to imagine... but there were more then than now.

This is because some of the players grew up (mentally) in the last 15-20 years, while many have not.

[ZeP]

So you and your friend passed a plain 4x item between each other a few times, handed it to someone who ran off with it, and your friend was permabanned.

[JackWhisper]

We both used it to hunt, we could only afford a single set of 4x. He'd wear it, hunt, come back, I'd wear it, hunt, come back. Don't ask me to explain the logic. It didn't make sense to me, even as a teenager. We had saved our money to get it enchanted to 5x rather than wasting it on another set of 4x gear. Prices were 200k+ for 4x back then. Wasn't cheap.

[Gemstones]

So you and your friend passed a plain 4x item between each other a few times, handed it to someone who ran off with it, and your friend was permabanned.

Yes.

[Taernath]

We both used it to hunt, we could only afford a single set of 4x. He'd wear it, hunt, come back, I'd wear it, hunt, come back.

Hotbunking but with armor. Yech.

[JackWhisper]

Nothing wrong with that! We washed our hands!

[Parkbandit]

Snitches are lame. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with someone who gets pleasure out of tattling on someone else.

I haven't read anything else in this thread. I just hate snitches in general. Bunch of childish cunts.

I just reported this post.

Enjoy your ban.

[Sylvan Dreams]

I didn't see it mentioned but the reason Kynlee didn't show up "onduty" was because she was not taking assists/referrals at that time. The "staff on duty" ONLY shows staff who are answering the assist and referral queues.

[diethx]

That hoers picture makes me laugh so hard.

[Candor]

Snitches are lame. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with someone who gets pleasure out of tattling on someone else.

I haven't read anything else in this thread. I just hate snitches in general. Bunch of childish cunts.

I can assure you there is conduct in the game that to be reported. Perhaps you disagree with reporting a character whose script is stealing kills from a player who isn't scripting. But what about sexual harassment? In my time, I have reported two characters for unwanted sexual conduct with another player. Do you call that "tattling"? And if not, perhaps you could share your criteria for what is and is not "tattling".

[Gelston]

If it wasn't against you in game then it isn't your place to report it. GS isn't real life.

[Jarvan]

We both used it to hunt, we could only afford a single set of 4x. He'd wear it, hunt, come back, I'd wear it, hunt, come back. Don't ask me to explain the logic. It didn't make sense to me, even as a teenager. We had saved our money to get it enchanted to 5x rather than wasting it on another set of 4x gear. Prices were 200k+ for 4x back then. Wasn't cheap.

yeah, I remember when it was 50k for a 1x item from a wizard.

[Candor]

If it wasn't against you in game then it isn't your place to report it. GS isn't real life.

Sorry, I just don't agree with that statement. If that makes me a tattler, then I accept the title.

[Gelston]

I used 0x shit until I could use 4x because I was a broke ass motherfucker. Now you can get up to 4x for free.

[Jarvan]

If it wasn't against you in game then it isn't your place to report it. GS isn't real life.

This logic doesn't work. Because in that case, there is never any reason at all to report anything. GS isn't real life.

To clarify... since it's a Game... if someone is AFK scripting where you hunt, move. It's not real life, so why should it matter what they do?

[Gelston]

I am saying that because if you aren't an involved party how do you know? If the involved party isn't complaining via report how can a GM know what is or isn't wanted? If it is unwanted the individual needs to report it.

[Gemstones]

This logic doesn't work. Because in that case, there is never any reason at all to report anything. GS isn't real life.

To clarify... since it's a Game... if someone is AFK scripting where you hunt, move. It's not real life, so why should it matter what they do?

Makes sense. You've revealed some seriously flawed logic.

[Velfi]

Reporting someone for scripting, even if you're pretty sure they're AFK scripting is dumb in my opinion. If things become a problem where they are legit interfering with you, then deal with it yourself.

That being said, I don't enjoy people who Bigshot solely due to the running in and out of my room multiple times per second or per creatures I'm hunting but I have not and would not report them, and that alone is not grounds to be a jerk to them.

[SHAFT]

I'm with gelston and Velfi on this. You're a bitch for reporting someone for anything other than extreme circumstances. Fucking pussies if you ask me.

[Jarvan]

I am saying that because if you aren't an involved party how do you know? If the involved party isn't complaining via report how can a GM know what is or isn't wanted? If it is unwanted the individual needs to report it.

I think the fact that you said..

GS isn't real life.

Is the part that I am really disagreeing with.

If you are working in an office, and you see your boss rubbing a co workers ass and whispering in her ear.. Do you report him for sexual Harassment? You don't know if it's unwanted or not and you are not an involved party.

That being said, if you are uncomfortable with seeing it, you can report it. Same with GS. If you are uncomfortable seeing someone sexually harassing someone ingame... report it. If it turns out they were just having fun, guess what, they shouldn't be doing that out in the open.

[Candor]

I'm with gelston and Velfi on this. You're a bitch for reporting someone for anything other than extreme circumstances. Fucking pussies if you ask me.

While I don't often report, if someone has a defective script which results in my repeatedly losing kills and items, and that person doesn't respond to any communication, I am going to report the character.

But perhaps Shaft would like to share what he would do in the same situation...

[Back]

What is everyone's verdict on fucking with someone who is afk scripting or not? I saw someone in a room doing a repeated action over and over with no result. Their group was open and I was tempted to drag them out to a hunting area. Not cool?

[Gelston]

I think the fact that you said..

GS isn't real life.

Is the part that I am really disagreeing with.

If you are working in an office, and you see your boss rubbing a co workers ass and whispering in her ear.. Do you report him for sexual Harassment? You don't know if it's unwanted or not and you are not an involved party.

That being said, if you are uncomfortable with seeing it, you can report it. Same with GS. If you are uncomfortable seeing someone sexually harassing someone ingame... report it. If it turns out they were just having fun, guess what, they shouldn't be doing that out in the open.

My reason for saying GS isn't real life is because it isn't. If some is feeling harassed, sexually or not, they have recourse that doesn't effect them in real life. In any way. There is a big difference.

[Gelston]

What is everyone's verdict on fucking with someone who is afk scripting or not? I saw someone in a room doing a repeated action over and over with no result. Their group was open and I was tempted to drag them out to a hunting area. Not cool?

If they are supremely fucking your shit up, like if their script picked up your disarmed weapon, then report them.

[Back]

If they are supremely fucking your shit up, like if their script picked up your disarmed weapon, then report them.

If that happened I would actively try to kill them outright first.

If someone is afk I feel like it is ok to fuck with them regardless. Their fault for not watching.

[Gelston]

Eh, don't do that. You can get hit with a warning yourself for nonconsensual pvp. If it upsets you that much report them and leave them alone.

[Taernath]

What is everyone's verdict on fucking with someone who is afk scripting or not? I saw someone in a room doing a repeated action over and over with no result. Their group was open and I was tempted to drag them out to a hunting area. Not cool?

The only times I would respond to scripting is if their hunting harmed me somehow (open implode, quake etc.) or if they didn't have a room check and started attacking whatever I was already with. Even then I would just report them and move on. Assuming I knew for a fact someone was afk scripting I wouldn't really care unless they did one of those two things.

[SHAFT]

While I don't often report, if someone has a defective script which results in my repeatedly losing kills and items, and that person doesn't respond to any communication, I am going to report the character.

But perhaps Shaft would like to share what he would do in the same situation...

I certainly wouldn't report someone. Reporting someone for some bullshit like that is cause to have your man card pulled. You might as well start wearing panties candor.

[Back]

Eh, don't do that. You can get hit with a warning yourself for nonconsensual pvp. If it upsets you that much report them and leave them alone.

If you are fletching or doing something that scrolls in a non-popular room and unresponsive there is no need to mess with them. But if someone is in TC unresponsive and wtricking or whatever it is that is scrolling that is annoying don't be surprised if you get fucked with.

Same with hunters.

[Candor]

I certainly wouldn't report someone. Reporting someone for some bullshit like that is cause to have your man card pulled. You might as well start wearing panties candor.

Cotton or silk?

[SHAFT]

Cotton or silk?

I thought you were made of sterner stuff...

[Candor]

I thought you were made of sterner stuff...

I thought you could tell when you were being laughed at...

[Tisket]

I can assure you there is conduct in the game that to be reported. Perhaps you disagree with reporting a character whose script is stealing kills from a player who isn't scripting. But what about sexual harassment? In my time, I have reported two characters for unwanted sexual conduct with another player. Do you call that "tattling"? And if not, perhaps you could share your criteria for what is and is not "tattling"..

Since you need an avatar:

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[subzero]

What is everyone's verdict on fucking with someone who is afk scripting or not? I saw someone in a room doing a repeated action over and over with no result. Their group was open and I was tempted to drag them out to a hunting area. Not cool?

If they're afk and stupid enough to be scripting and leave their group open, sorry 'bout their luck. It's pretty easy to counteract simple things like that.

[Back]

If I run into an afk hunter who is unresponsive I'm searching their kills, taking their loot, and doing anything that fucks up their script if possible. Whine about that.

[Gelston]

I used to drop cursed gems. I was botched at from GMs for doing it though.

[Velfi]

If they're AFK but not killing your mobs, or looting your kills or actually impeding you then I think interfering with them such as the looting their kills or whatever is kinda being the bigger jerk.

[Candor]

I used to drop cursed gems. I was botched at from GMs for doing it though.

Actually the idea occurred to me, but I knew someone had been in trouble for doing it.

It's too bad as I think it is a great response to AFK scripters.

[Back]

If they're AFK but not killing your mobs, or looting your kills or actually impeding you then I think interfering with them such as the looting their kills or whatever is kinda being the bigger jerk.

If they are afk then thats their problem.

[Warriorbird]

Sorry, I just don't agree with that statement. If that makes me a tattler, then I accept the title.

I suspect you just want a new avenue to troll people with. Because that's good for the game. Really.

[Candor]

I suspect you just want a new avenue to troll people with. Because that's good for the game. Really.

Reporting characters for AFK scripting which results in kills being stolen and items being taken is not trolling.

Of course, if you are one of the AFK scripters with an immature script, I guess you might consider it to be trolling.

[Whirlin]

Aren't we a little old to be taddling on each other?

Send a chat via Lnet, send whispers, etc, or take it into your own hands.

[Back]

True to form. The OP is consistent.

Consistently an ass.

[Tgo01]

True to form. The OP is consistent.

Consistently an ass.

Whoa now, where did that come from? I'm a gentleman, sir!

[Back]

Whoa now, where did that come from? I'm a gentleman, sir!

I've met tons of people and you are no gentleman.

[Tgo01]

I've met tons of people and you are no gentleman.

Well you're no Jack Kennedy!

[Back]

Never said I was. I will say you are a clueless self important asshole without any regret.

[Tgo01]

Never said I was. I will say you are a clueless self important asshole without any regret.

Aren't we all self important? You lacking some self esteem there?

[DCSL]

Teej is very important to me too.

[Back]

What seems to be lacking is your inability to function with other people.

[JackWhisper]

TGO functions quite well with me and alot of others.

[Back]

TGO functions quite well with me and alot of others.

Good luck with that.

[DCSL]

HE FUNCTIONS WITH YOUR MOM.

God bless muscle relaxers. Srsly. I feel great.

[Back]

!

[Nahkaev]

If the loot system worked a little bit more like the xp system, *NONE* of these issues would exist.

Props to Tgo for doing what he does. I tend to believe that the services he provides some of you with; regular silvers for cash, are a boon to both you and he, and the rest of us.

However, the fact is that he's been running capped characters in level 30-50 areas for over a year solid almost every single day, and this is a *DESIGN FLAW* in gemstone. I think the flustered GMs and players arent aiming their ire at the proper target here. Tgo is just going to do whatever is within the rules and what is best for him, and he is right to do so. Trying to create rules, or apply arcane/obscure rules (like HMC) to him is not addressing the root of the problem here; which is that in game rewards (namely, currency) are not correlated to content difficulty whatsoever.

Our game should reward people for engaging in challenging combat- and at the moment- to a degree it does that. However, it rewards you even more for underhunting en masse for boxes & by pushing around the loot pressure of various hunting areas, and skinning lowbie shit.

Is this against "the rules" ? Heavens no. It shouldn't be either- it would be absurd to enforce.
Is it really, really lame if you happen to be a level 30-50 character in one of those areas being hunted by someone like Tgo? Heavens yes. Everything is dirt poor because the "difficulty" of on the area you're in is not correlated to the rewards for hunting there- the result is that the hunting area is basically worthless as a leveling experience for uncapped people.

Those of you bitching about screen scroll, I'm pretty sure, are just bitching to bitch. Yes, it's really stupid when people don't know how to use Room.current.timeto in Icemule and blitz TC (or some other commonly visited room) 20 times in under 3 seconds- but I have found the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of these people are happy to fix this issue once it is explained to them how to do so. As for ;wander-- well- there's nothing stopping you from using ;wander yourself to 'catch' creatures if you feel you aren't getting enough.

If we have the levelheadedness to set meddlesome preferences aside (of which I admittedly have many, none of which do or should hold weigh in this discussion) and instead evaluate the game as an economic system- it becomes rather apparent that underhunting behavior like this should not be rewarded the way it currently is. Tgo should not want to be poking the eyeballs out of tundra giants with an ice pick on a capped rogue for profit- yet he does because it's his best option.

Does this mean nerfing skins in general? I would hope not- that would harm the entire economy. However, I think if you kill something that doesn't reward you any experience whatsoever, the value of *anything* you derive from that kill should be severely diminished. To gain significant economic reward, you should be exposed to some measure of risk- even if it is just a little bit.

A solution that tunes currency rewards to the challenge a critter poses to you, however, doesn't go far enough because all you've done then is cut off the supply of silvers to half of the game. You have to reintroduce a source of those silvers in a way that is both engaging enough to be enjoyed by the playerbase of capped people, and doesn't harm the experience of the game for the rest of the playerbase who may or may not enjoy spending their time picking flowers between rooms while hunting orcs.

My opinion is that there should be twice as many capped hunting areas as there are now. This allows us to have a wider breadth of challenges available at cap, and can make the rewards for engaging that content appropriate to the challenges presented. It can also alleviate the negative externalities of the behaviors of profit-motivated capped characters which the current system encourages.

Why in the holy fuck would they go through the effort of creating an even like the lich one last year, or talador, or any of the other events that have come with associated hunting areas- and then close the hunting areas? This makes no fucking sense when our game is DYING for want of content diversity at the level cap. These events should be written in a way that adds some aspect of permanence to the critters we engage in them-- a 6 month long even where the armies of two kings clash in a struggle for power? How about their undead bodies remain eternally reliving the battle- and we can go put them to rest now and then. The lich was defeated? Fine- but perhaps he cursed some artifacts we were unable to find- and they cause the dead to be continually resurrected (keeping the hunting areas freshly supplied with critters.)


TLDR: the problem here is gemstone's design philosophy, not tgo/buckwheet/others like them. They are merely taking advantage of the system as it is.

[Tgo01]

I even added a whooping .3 second delay between moving through rooms on my rogue.

No more need to whine about screen scroll, people!

[Nahkaev]

lol from rep:


Thread: Is Kynlee a GM?
Silver farmers are a problem whether you agree with it or not. Don't be a fucking simple minded moron.

So nobody should be allowed to farm silver? ever?
Fuck off and come back with something to contribute, rather than another dose of stupid.

[gs4-PauperSid]

Wow! I already feel the improvement! ;)

-J

[Candor]

I even added a whooping .3 second delay between moving through rooms on my rogue.

No more need to whine about screen scroll, people!

You are likely taking heat for the actions of other scripters.

[Tgo01]

You are likely taking heat for the actions of other scripters.

Probably. People are taking their scripting hating frustrations out on me.

But it's all good, I'm willing to be a martyr for the cause. Let me heal you of all your pain my children.

[SHAFT]

Probably. People are taking their scripting hating frustrations out on me.

But it's all good, I'm willing to be a martyr for the cause. Let me heal you of all your pain my children.

I got your back Tgo. I actually appreciated dreaven tossing me spells up near pinefar.

[Methais]

If that happened I would actively try to kill them outright first.

Good luck killing them when they just ran off with your disarmed weapon!


What is everyone's verdict on fucking with someone who is afk scripting or not? I saw someone in a room doing a repeated action over and over with no result. Their group was open and I was tempted to drag them out to a hunting area. Not cool?

I like dragging them off to some random area way the fuck. Preferably with higher level stuff that will murder them. If their group is closed, I figure out something else to do. I don't know if stalking and then fogging still works. If it does, I guess I'll start with that.

What are they gonna do, report you for fucking with them while they were afk scripting? That's like calling the cops to stay someone ripped you off on a drug deal.

[caelric]

Why in the holy fuck would they go through the effort of creating an even like the lich one last year, or talador, or any of the other events that have come with associated hunting areas- and then close the hunting areas? This makes no fucking sense when our game is DYING for want of content diversity at the level cap.


This. A million fucking times this. Why in the hell are those areas not permanent?

[Gelston]

This. A million fucking times this. Why in the hell are those areas not permanent?

Because, as has been posted 456456 times temp areas require a lot less QC.

[Methais]

Because, as has been posted 456456 times temp areas require a lot less QC.

Except if they weren't so stupid they'd plan it as a permanent area from the start and QC it as that.

[Gelston]

Except if they weren't so stupid they'd plan it as a permanent area from the start and QC it as that.

I can agree, but I can't. All the temp area critters are copies of pre existing critters. For new areas, it is better to make all new ones. This takes time, and QC... Which, unfortunately, is slow in GS.

[caelric]

This takes time, and QC... Which, unfortunately, is slow in GS.

Unreasonably slow. Not sure who they have as QC (and I know the vast majority of GMs are unpaid volunteers, or paid in pizza money at best), but I would say their process is broken, rather than being the fault of the individual QC GM, it's a fault of the ridiculous process they have for it.

[Nahkaev]

Because, as has been posted 456456 times temp areas require a lot less QC.

At this point- that QC is less important than bored capped people spilling their farming activities all over the lands to the detriment of the rest of the population.

[Parkbandit]

While I don't often report, if someone has a defective script which results in my repeatedly losing kills and items, and that person doesn't respond to any communication, I am going to report the character.

But perhaps Shaft would like to share what he would do in the same situation...

I would just kill them...

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?81252-Well-that-didn-t-take-long&highlight=sithral

[Alfster]

Way to fail at Group Close

[subzero]

If their group is closed, I figure out something else to do. I don't know if stalking and then fogging still works. If it does, I guess I'll start with that.


It does, but if they have things set up right, you won't be able to do anything but fog them away if you're alone which is just wasting your time. With more than one character you've at least got a chance.

[Back]

Good luck killing them when they just ran off with your disarmed weapon!

Thats why I carry multiple backups, newb.

[diethx]

For those complaining about lack of new hunting areas, development, etc., I would like to reiterate this point:


The point is - none of this is ever going to get better. It'll only get worse. The people who make the decisions in this game don't see you as people and players who should be valued, not even customers. They see you as chumps for the milking.

You only see new events, because that equals more income for Simutronics. When will people get this? You can complain all you want, but nothing will change so long as you're still paying them.

[cwolff]

For those complaining about lack of new hunting areas, development, etc., I would like to reiterate this point:

You only see new events, because that equals more income for Simutronics. When will people get this? You can complain all you want, but nothing will change so long as you're still paying them.

Does anyone have solid numbers on Simutronics? My assumption is that they aren't making too big a profit from GSIV and that the game is dying. As long as we are in the denouement of Elenthia I can't see them spending much money fixing these problems.

[Gawyane]

For those complaining about lack of new hunting areas, development, etc., I would like to reiterate this point:<br />
<br />

Originally Posted by diethx (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=1642191)<br />
The point is - none of this is ever going to get better. It'll only get worse. The people who make the decisions in this game don't see you as people and players who should be valued, not even customers. They see you as chumps for the milking.<br />
<br />
You only see new events, because that equals more income for Simutronics. When will people get this? You can complain all you want, but nothing will change so long as you're still paying them.<br/>

If you don't play GS why are you even here on these forums?

You keep saying you don't understand how people continue to play this game in its current state. Well I don't understand why you hang around forums for a game you despise?

[subzero]

If you don't play GS why are you even here on these forums?

You keep saying you don't understand how people continue to play this game in its current state. Well I don't understand why you hang around forums for a game you despise?

Derp.

[Parkbandit]

Way to fail at Group Close

I hate your face.

[Tisket]

If you don't play GS why are you even here on these forums?

You keep saying you don't understand how people continue to play this game in its current state. Well I don't understand why you hang around forums for a game you despise?

Many posters no longer play Gemstone. It's ridiculous to believe that means we cannot have opinions on the state of the game. For some of us, the state of the game is why we no longer play.

[Tisket]

Also, wtf does "QC" mean?

You people and your fucking abbreviations.

[Roblar]

Quality Control

[Latrinsorm]

I am saying that because if you aren't an involved party how do you know? If the involved party isn't complaining via report how can a GM know what is or isn't wanted? If it is unwanted the individual needs to report it.What if the involved party is 14? 11? Your mom?

[diethx]

Derp.

Seriously.

[Gawyane]

Many posters no longer play Gemstone. It's ridiculous to believe that means we cannot have opinions on the state of the game. For some of us, the state of the game is why we no longer play.

So apparently it's ok to have opinions on the game and not play, but to actually play the game and have opinions gets you neg repped into oblivion. Awesome! I don't care if people don't play and post. I do care about people who don't play and effectively call the people who do play idiots because of something THEY see as being wrong, when it's only their opinion. But yeah, that's cool I accept that this place is just as obnoxious and elitist as the officials. Back to lurking it is.

[diethx]

So apparently it's ok to have opinions on the game and not play, but to actually play the game and have opinions gets you neg repped into oblivion. Awesome! I don't care if people don't play and post. I do care about people who don't play and effectively call the people who do play idiots because of something THEY see as being wrong, when it's only their opinion. But yeah, that's cool I accept that this place is just as obnoxious and elitist as the officials. Back to lurking it is.

Having opinions on the game doesn't neg rep you into oblivion. Making an idiotic statement that people who don't play Gemstone shouldn't be posting on the PC, however, does. Backpedal all you like, but that's exactly what you did.

Also, please point out where I called someone an idiot for playing GS.

[Taernath]

Your opinion that people who don't play the game aren't allowed to have opinions was idiotic as fuck, therefore: neg rep.

Also, drop the 'boohoohoo I'm not being coddled' BS.

[caelric]

You only see new events, because that equals more income for Simutronics.

Not completely true. There are a couple of GMs going out of their way to make things mo'betta. Storylines are a big part of this. And, most storylines are completely free.

Although, I mostly happen to agree with your second point. Nothing is going to change; however, GS4 is not going to die anytime soon, either; Simu will keep putting the minimal level of resources into it to keep it stringing along and providing a steady monthly income, to include milking it with high-dollar pay events. Doesn't prevent me from taking part in these, because I happen to enjoy it, but I do see how things are going.

[diethx]

Not completely true. There are a couple of GMs going out of their way to make things mo'betta. Storylines are a big part of this. And, most storylines are completely free.

That's why I said in my first reply, there are definitely some awesome GMs who care about the players. Unfortunately they are in the minority and not the ones in real power... so that's why the game is how it is.

[Roblar]

Thread: Is Kynlee a GM?
Thanks for the random, uninformative, and irrelevant post, moron. Go back to AFK script hunting and acting tough, dumb-dumb.

Highlighted part made me lol

Also, grey rep

[Tgo01]

Roblar is catching flak meant for me! :O

[Roblar]

:D

Especially because I'm not on lich and am indeed a dumb dumb (for scripting at least)

[Gawyane]

Your opinion that people who don't play the game aren't allowed to have opinions was idiotic as fuck, therefore: neg rep.


Having opinions on the game doesn't neg rep you into oblivion. Making an idiotic statement that people who don't play Gemstone shouldn't be posting on the PC, however, does. Backpedal all you like, but that's exactly what you did.

Since I apparently said somewhere that you shouldn't post (even though I did not and merely asked WHY you posted) both of these comments are completely wrong and show an obvious lack of reading comprehension. Sorry, now I'm really going back to my hole. Have a nice day!

[Gemstones]

So apparently it's ok to have opinions on the game and not play, but to actually play the game and have opinions gets you neg repped into oblivion. Awesome! I don't care if people don't play and post. I do care about people who don't play and effectively call the people who do play idiots because of something THEY see as being wrong, when it's only their opinion. But yeah, that's cool I accept that this place is just as obnoxious and elitist as the officials. Back to lurking it is.

The official forums are obnoxious and elitist?

http://i59.tinypic.com/28r0f9l.jpg

[diethx]

Since I apparently said somewhere that you shouldn't post (even though I did not and merely asked WHY you posted) both of these comments are completely wrong and show an obvious lack of reading comprehension. Sorry, now I'm really going back to my hole. Have a nice day!

You insinuated with your question of why do I still post and your statement later that you don't understand why I post if I don't play, that people who no longer play should not be posting here. Like I said, you can backpedal all you want, but that IS what you did. You aren't going to fool anyone, sorry bro.

[Tisket]

What if the involved party is 14? 11? Your mom?

Since I can't always hover over their keyboards, I would have taught them how to type "exit" or "quit" if someone was being annoying or predatory.

[Gawyane]

You insinuated with your question of why do I still post and your statement later that you don't understand why I post if I don't play, that people who no longer play should not be posting here. Like I said, you can backpedal all you want, but that IS what you did. You aren't going to fool anyone, sorry bro.


If you don't play GS why are you even here on these forums?

You keep saying you don't understand how people continue to play this game in its current state. Well I don't understand why you hang around forums for a game you despise?


I don't care if people don't play and post.

No that's not what I said. At all. Sorry bro, you still can't read.

[Tisket]

So apparently it's ok to have opinions on the game and not play, but to actually play the game and have opinions gets you neg repped into oblivion. Awesome! I don't care if people don't play and post. I do care about people who don't play and effectively call the people who do play idiots because of something THEY see as being wrong, when it's only their opinion. But yeah, that's cool I accept that this place is just as obnoxious and elitist as the officials. Back to lurking it is.

Oh no! The rep system drove another thin-skinned poster away. Whatever shall we do?!

[diethx]

You really should've stayed in your hole, as you put it.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131011130111/psi/images/f/fe/Facepalm-1-.jpg

[Gemstones]

LOL at two ladies calling each other "bro."

[Taernath]

Since I apparently said somewhere that you shouldn't post (even though I did not and merely asked WHY you posted) both of these comments are completely wrong and show an obvious lack of reading comprehension. Sorry, now I'm really going back to my hole. Have a nice day!

For someone talking about reading comprehension you sure fail pretty hard at it. Don't get pissy because you got called out, you're not fooling anyone.

[Taernath]

Oh no! The rep system drove another thin-skinned poster away. Whatever shall we do?!

They've threatened to leave twice now. I think they're waiting for someone to try and talk them down.

[subzero]

Having opinions on the game doesn't neg rep you into oblivion. Making an idiotic statement that people who don't play Gemstone shouldn't be posting on the PC, however, does. Backpedal all you like, but that's exactly what you did.


Exactly.

And to whichever gray-rep fool that sent this: "Congratulations! You win an award for the most useless, moronic post of all time. If you've got nothing to say, then say nothing, dipshit.", I did have something to say. It's not my fault you're too dumb to realize that the 'derp' I gave to the argument about who should be posting here (almost seems fitting in this thread since some people here also want to tell people how they should play Gemstone. Trouble is it crops up somewhat frequently as a weak defense to the opinion of those who no longer play) was a succinct way of saying the poster in question is retarded. If you want a forum where you have to have an active Gemstone subscription in order to talk with people about the game, Simutronics has just the thing for you.



Also, grey rep

There's a lot of that going around lately. Kinda funny. I even got a blank one...


Since I apparently said somewhere that you shouldn't post (even though I did not and merely asked WHY you posted) both of these comments are completely wrong and show an obvious lack of reading comprehension.

I'll bite. We post here because there's a lot more going on than Gemstone related discussions. Having joined in 2011, I'd have thought you might have run into some of the many non-Gemstone topics, threads, etc that are found here. It really shouldn't be difficult to figure out that former players may very well have been active players when they joined, stopped playing (of which some may even go back to playing at times), and still like to use this forum. We can also still have very valid opinions on the game.

You ask why people who don't play still post here. I ask, "Why does it matter"? Seems to me like some pathetic straw man.


Oh no! The rep system drove another thin-skinned poster away. Whatever shall we do?!

Clearly we should all just stop posting so that the currently active players have two forums dedicated to their Gemstone-related discussions. For God's sake, this isn't gsformerplayers.com!


They've threatened to leave twice now. I think they're waiting for someone to try and talk them down.


Sorry, now I'm really going back to my hole. Have a nice day!

Later broski!

[SashaFierce]

Holy shit, it is:

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?89003-Scripters-and-the-pawn-shop&p=1639953#post1639953

I guess I have become her personal project.


After looking at your posted threads over the last year, I can see why you might be a target for AFK script checks.


3-16-14 - 45m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?89231-45-mil-15-bucks-per!)
2-20-14 - 100m @ 9 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?88607-100-million-silvers-for-sale-9-dollar-per-million!)
1-14-14 - 100m @ 9.5 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?87973-100-million-silvers-for-sale-9-50-per-million!)
12-03-13 - 48m @ 8.25 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?87186-48-million-silvers-at-8-25-per!)
11-25-13 - 50m @ 9 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?87089-50-million-silvers-for-9-dollars-per!)
11-13-13 - 34m @ 10 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?86828-34-mil-for-10-dollars-each)
10-28-13 - 16m @ 10 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?86427-16-million-for-10-dollars-per)
10-08-13 - 68m @ 10 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?86066-68-mil-for-10-per!)
09-08-13 - 23m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?85450-23-million-at-14-per)
08-28-13 - 17m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?85159-17-mil-at-14-per)
08-20-13 - 33m @ 13 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?84902-33-big-ones-for-sale-13-per)
07-07-13 - 60m @ 12.5 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?83571-60-million-silvers-for-12-50-each!)
07-05-13 - 62m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?83492-62-mil-for-14-dollars-per!)
06-03-13 - 35m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?82508-35-million-for-14-dollars-per!)
05-13-13 - 30m @ 13 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?81956-30-mil-for-13-dollars-per!)
04-30-13 - 13m @ 12 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?81523-13-million-silvers-up-for-auction!)
04-25-13 - 42m @ 13 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?81363-I-have-42-million-silvers-for-sale-you-buy-them!)
04-07-13 - 55m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?80680-55-million-silvers-for-14-per)
03-25-13 - 50m @ 17 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?80285-30-mil-at-20-dollars-per)


Adding up the silvers you've listed for sale over the last year, you have listed a total of 881 million silvers for a total profit of $10,315.

[Tgo01]

After looking at your posted threads over the last year, I can see why you might be a target for AFK script checks.


3-16-14 - 45m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?89231-45-mil-15-bucks-per!)
2-20-14 - 100m @ 9 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?88607-100-million-silvers-for-sale-9-dollar-per-million!)
1-14-14 - 100m @ 9.5 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?87973-100-million-silvers-for-sale-9-50-per-million!)
12-03-13 - 48m @ 8.25 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?87186-48-million-silvers-at-8-25-per!)
11-25-13 - 50m @ 9 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?87089-50-million-silvers-for-9-dollars-per!)
11-13-13 - 34m @ 10 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?86828-34-mil-for-10-dollars-each)
10-28-13 - 16m @ 10 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?86427-16-million-for-10-dollars-per)
10-08-13 - 68m @ 10 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?86066-68-mil-for-10-per!)
09-08-13 - 23m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?85450-23-million-at-14-per)
08-28-13 - 17m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?85159-17-mil-at-14-per)
08-20-13 - 33m @ 13 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?84902-33-big-ones-for-sale-13-per)
07-07-13 - 60m @ 12.5 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?83571-60-million-silvers-for-12-50-each!)
07-05-13 - 62m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?83492-62-mil-for-14-dollars-per!)
06-03-13 - 35m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?82508-35-million-for-14-dollars-per!)
05-13-13 - 30m @ 13 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?81956-30-mil-for-13-dollars-per!)
04-30-13 - 13m @ 12 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?81523-13-million-silvers-up-for-auction!)
04-25-13 - 42m @ 13 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?81363-I-have-42-million-silvers-for-sale-you-buy-them!)
04-07-13 - 55m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?80680-55-million-silvers-for-14-per)
03-25-13 - 50m @ 17 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?80285-30-mil-at-20-dollars-per)


Adding up the silvers you've listed for sale over the last year, you have listed a total of 881 million silvers for a total profit of $10,315.

Holy shit! That is a lot silvers.

But if you think my "profits" are anywhere near the top of people who play this game you are sorely mistaken.

Didn't someone just recently sell ONE item worth 3000 dollars?

[Tgo01]

Also I never sold silvers for 17 dollars per million. Might want to vet them threads a bit better next time :p

[diethx]

That's a little misleading, unless you know for a fact that he actually sold every single silver listed in each of those threads for the advertised price.

[Tgo01]

That's a little misleading, unless you know for a fact that he actually sold every single silver listed in each of those threads for the advertised price.

Exactly. A lot of times the silvers didn't sell in one thread so I just saved them for another month and relisted them.

Kind of like the 17 dollars per thread. The most I have ever sold silvers for was 15 dollars per just today, before that was like 13.5. I was always missing my mark and underselling my silvers for the last CF event, people were selling silvers at 14/15 per left and right, where are the complaints about them?

I should also note that in most of my sale threads I offer discounts if people buy 10+ million or if they buy out my remaining stock.

[Allereli]

Also I never sold silvers for 17 dollars per million. Might want to vet them threads a bit better next time :p


I'm now selling 50 million silvers for 850 bucks. For those of you who are bad at math that's a mere 17 dollars per million. You must be asking yourself "But Tgo01, I see other people selling their silvers for 15 dollars per." If you saw other people walking off a bridge would you walk off too? Of course not! Instead you'd buy my silvers for 17 dollars per. And if you would walk off that bridge why not go ahead and buy my silvers at 17 dollars per before you do? Not like you'd need the money.

you didn't?

[Taernath]

Your secret is out, Tgo01. Prepare for a visit from that guy who was trying to start a pyramid scheme last month.

[Tgo01]

you didn't?

Yes, I didn't.

I never said I didn't try to sell them for 17 per, I said I didn't sell them for 17 per.

That entire thread was just a waste of time on my part. While I was trying to get 20/19/18/17 dollars per people were successfully selling their silvers for 15 dollars per. By the time I stopped messing around (yes the thread was mostly a joke) the silver prices had already dropped slightly and I think I ended up selling those silvers for 13.5 per.

[Gemstones]

After looking at your posted threads over the last year, I can see why you might be a target for AFK script checks.


3-16-14 - 45m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?89231-45-mil-15-bucks-per!)
2-20-14 - 100m @ 9 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?88607-100-million-silvers-for-sale-9-dollar-per-million!)
1-14-14 - 100m @ 9.5 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?87973-100-million-silvers-for-sale-9-50-per-million!)
12-03-13 - 48m @ 8.25 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?87186-48-million-silvers-at-8-25-per!)
11-25-13 - 50m @ 9 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?87089-50-million-silvers-for-9-dollars-per!)
11-13-13 - 34m @ 10 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?86828-34-mil-for-10-dollars-each)
10-28-13 - 16m @ 10 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?86427-16-million-for-10-dollars-per)
10-08-13 - 68m @ 10 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?86066-68-mil-for-10-per!)
09-08-13 - 23m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?85450-23-million-at-14-per)
08-28-13 - 17m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?85159-17-mil-at-14-per)
08-20-13 - 33m @ 13 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?84902-33-big-ones-for-sale-13-per)
07-07-13 - 60m @ 12.5 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?83571-60-million-silvers-for-12-50-each!)
07-05-13 - 62m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?83492-62-mil-for-14-dollars-per!)
06-03-13 - 35m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?82508-35-million-for-14-dollars-per!)
05-13-13 - 30m @ 13 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?81956-30-mil-for-13-dollars-per!)
04-30-13 - 13m @ 12 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?81523-13-million-silvers-up-for-auction!)
04-25-13 - 42m @ 13 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?81363-I-have-42-million-silvers-for-sale-you-buy-them!)
04-07-13 - 55m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?80680-55-million-silvers-for-14-per)
03-25-13 - 50m @ 17 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?80285-30-mil-at-20-dollars-per)


Adding up the silvers you've listed for sale over the last year, you have listed a total of 881 million silvers for a total profit of $10,315.

Holy smokes!

[Tisket]

After looking at your posted threads over the last year, I can see why you might be a target for AFK script checks.


3-16-14 - 45m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?89231-45-mil-15-bucks-per!)
2-20-14 - 100m @ 9 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?88607-100-million-silvers-for-sale-9-dollar-per-million!)
1-14-14 - 100m @ 9.5 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?87973-100-million-silvers-for-sale-9-50-per-million!)
12-03-13 - 48m @ 8.25 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?87186-48-million-silvers-at-8-25-per!)
11-25-13 - 50m @ 9 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?87089-50-million-silvers-for-9-dollars-per!)
11-13-13 - 34m @ 10 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?86828-34-mil-for-10-dollars-each)
10-28-13 - 16m @ 10 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?86427-16-million-for-10-dollars-per)
10-08-13 - 68m @ 10 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?86066-68-mil-for-10-per!)
09-08-13 - 23m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?85450-23-million-at-14-per)
08-28-13 - 17m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?85159-17-mil-at-14-per)
08-20-13 - 33m @ 13 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?84902-33-big-ones-for-sale-13-per)
07-07-13 - 60m @ 12.5 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?83571-60-million-silvers-for-12-50-each!)
07-05-13 - 62m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?83492-62-mil-for-14-dollars-per!)
06-03-13 - 35m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?82508-35-million-for-14-dollars-per!)
05-13-13 - 30m @ 13 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?81956-30-mil-for-13-dollars-per!)
04-30-13 - 13m @ 12 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?81523-13-million-silvers-up-for-auction!)
04-25-13 - 42m @ 13 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?81363-I-have-42-million-silvers-for-sale-you-buy-them!)
04-07-13 - 55m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?80680-55-million-silvers-for-14-per)
03-25-13 - 50m @ 17 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?80285-30-mil-at-20-dollars-per)


Adding up the silvers you've listed for sale over the last year, you have listed a total of 881 million silvers for a total profit of $10,315.

You spent a lot of time proving nothing except that you have a lot of time to spare.

[Gemstones]

Holy shit! That is a lot silvers.

But if you think my "profits" are anywhere near the top of people who play this game you are sorely mistaken.

Didn't someone just recently sell ONE item worth 3000 dollars?

Yep, that was a 10x DB item. It sold very, very quickly.

[SashaFierce]

Exactly. A lot of times the silvers didn't sell in one thread so I just saved them for another month and relisted them.

Kind of like the 17 dollars per thread. The most I have ever sold silvers for was 15 dollars per just today, before that was like 13.5. I was always missing my mark and underselling my silvers for the last CF event, people were selling silvers at 14/15 per left and right, where are the complaints about them?

I should also note that in most of my sale threads I offer discounts if people buy 10+ million or if they buy out my remaining stock.


I think you missed the point entirely.

You're a very visible "silver seller" who scripts low-level creatures to skin farm for a majority of the time you're in game. That type of activity is obviously why you are being targeted by GM's.

[Tgo01]

I think you missed the point entirely.

You're a very visible "silver seller" who scripts low-level creatures to skin farm for a majority of the time you're in game. That type of activity is obviously why you are being targeted by GM's.

No I got your point, I think you missed my point that I am by no means anywhere near the top of people who sell in game stuff for real life money. If the GMs are really concerned about cracking down on this market (which would be suicide for them) then they are going after the wrong target.

Sure it might make some people feel good about themselves since I'm so visible(?) I guess.

[diethx]

They should make what he does illegal, or wash the sand out of their collective vagina.

[Tgo01]

I also don't understand the people who claim I "only" play this game to make money, although to be fair I think it's mostly just one or two people on different characters/alts saying this now.

As I said before ALL of my characters earn experience, gain silver and find treasure. In fact I recently just moved my wizard out of his usual hunting ground because his experience was pitiful and moved him to a new hunting ground where he makes a lot less silvers (like 20% of what he was making) but the experience is much better.

[SashaFierce]

No I got your point, I think you missed my point that I am by no means anywhere near the top of people who sell in game stuff for real life money. If the GMs are really concerned about cracking down on this market (which would be suicide for them) then they are going after the wrong target.

Sure it might make some people feel good about themselves since I'm so visible(?) I guess.


I don't think they're trying to crack down on the market. I also don't think they really care that items sell for cash. I think they care that people script farm for hours and hours every day. It's not the fact that you're making money, it's how you make that money.

At least that is my interpretation.

I don't pay attention to who is selling silvers, so you may or may not be the biggest proponent of this type of behavior and that's why you're being targeted frequently.

[Tisket]

I don't think they're trying to crack down on the market. I also don't think they really care that items sell for cash. I think they care that people script farm for hours and hours every day. It's not the fact that you're making money, it's how you make that money.

At least that is my interpretation.

I don't pay attention to who is selling silvers, so you may or may not be the biggest proponent of this type of behavior and that's why you're being targeted frequently.

The question shouldn't be who is being targetted but rather why allowed behavior is being targetted at all.

[Buckwheet]

The question shouldn't be who is being targetted but rather why allowed behavior is being targetted at all.

I think what people are getting at and it is sort of backed up by the whole "skinning is still a loop hole" post, is that farming coins is a problem somehow. So lets go back to Inspire's farming. It was out of control because he was doing it with just one creature and they found out. I am not saying Tgo01 is Inspire. But Tgo01 comes along and instead of scripting skinning one creature he is script skinning many of them. These creatures maybe across the realm, and after X period of time Tgo01 has determined how to use the system to his advantage. That could be at 1000 skins of X creature you move to Y creature and do 1000 of those, and then move to Z, then back to X. Who knows.

But what it sounds like is that by doing this one player is "taking all the loot." and "we need to nerf that." according to the GM post. I personally don't see why it is an issue other than they are seeing one "player" benefit as opposed to multiples. The other issue I see is that when you kill something even if you get 300 coins with the skin, it is a guaranteed 300 coins. I am sure Tgo01 or someone else could find a creature that is relatively poor that you can skin and go skin it say 1000 times.

1. See how long it takes.
2. Track all the item, coin, gem sales.
3. Track all the skins and sales.
4. Calculate coins from treasure per hour and coins from skins per hour.

I am going to assume that even with the floor on the skins because of the fact that with enough training you can get 300 coins per skin, that you will be seeing much more coins per hour from skins than coins per hour from loot. So it sounds like the GMs are going to look into that.

So the allowed behavior isn't really the issue. I think the issue is that for better or worse Wyrom just doen't think that paying for multiple characters/accounts entitles you to the opportunities of strip mining creatures.

So maybe Tgo01, or Inspire, or someone else will figure out what creatures, in general, are wealthy and for how long you can hunt them and figure out ways to either extend their time hunting them(for treasure purposes) like purposefully giving massive sting, or they will look to purchase character types in those ranges. Then Wyrom will come back and say something like "Well it appears the normal treasure system has a loophole.".

And these players will have 4, 5, 6? or more characters in these key level range/hunting ground combinations that allow them to get the maximum rate of return.

In the end I thought that was actually the purpose to the treasure system, so I don't see this as any kind of problem. If Kiramon are dirt poor you should go somewhere else. So if you just happen to have 12 characters who can farm that entire level range....why is that bad? I don't know.

In general if they feel what Tgo01 is doing is a problem then they need to fix the entire treasure system.

[Tgo01]

I guess I'll just do what most other silver sellers do; just keep all of my silver sales in one thread and keep deleting old posts and updating the first post with new information as I go along. Makes it more difficult to track all of the tens of thousands I am supposedly making off of this game.

A few days ago I started tracking how much silvers my capped wizard is making off of plane 4 of the rift. He made a whopping 140k yesterday.

It honestly is beginning to feel like I'm some sort of pawn Simu is using to divert attention away from the failure of the loot system. "Look at this guy! He is ruining the economy! Simply ruining it! We need to nerf the way he does things to bring the economy back to normal!" And all of the Simu fans cheer them on and demonize me.

Meanwhile the GMs can sit there and not have to bother fixing the obviously very broken loot system.

If you say your level 20 character hunting Thurfel's doesn't make close to or more than 140k a day then I have to say you are either not playing much or you're doing something wrong or you're lying. Possibly all three.

The treasure/loot system is broken. Simu doesn't want to fix it. Some of you are attacking me because of Simu's broken loot system. It's crazy. Just crazy!

Oh yeah; buy my silvers!

Oh yeah, yet another thing to add. Why is everyone assuming all of those silvers came from skinning? Is everyone admitting that the loot system is so piss poor in GS that I couldn't possibly have found any items worth selling for millions of silvers in the past 12 months? Again the problem is GS's loot system. Insist that the GMs stop making more and more paid events and fix the fucking system.

[Dendum]

I guess I'll just do what most other silver sellers do; just keep all of my silver sales in one thread and keep deleting old posts and updating the first post with new information as I go along. Makes it more difficult to track all of the tens of thousands I am supposedly making off of this game.

A few days ago I started tracking how much silvers my capped wizard is making off of plane 4 of the rift. He made a whopping 140k yesterday.

It honestly is beginning to feel like I'm some sort of pawn Simu is using to divert attention away from the failure of the loot system. "Look at this guy! He is ruining the economy! Simply ruining it! We need to nerf the way he does things to bring the economy back to normal!" And all of the Simu fans cheer them on and demonize me.

Meanwhile the GMs can sit there and not have to bother fixing the obviously very broken loot system.

If you say your level 20 character hunting Thurfel's doesn't make close to or more than 140k a day then I have to say you are either not playing much or you're doing something wrong or you're lying. Possibly all three.

The treasure/loot system is broken. Simu doesn't want to fix it. Some of you are attacking me because of Simu's broken loot system. It's crazy. Just crazy!

Oh yeah; buy my silvers!

Oh yeah, yet another thing to add. Why is everyone assuming all of those silvers came from skinning? Is everyone admitting that the loot system is so piss poor in GS that I couldn't possibly have found any items worth selling for millions of silvers in the past 12 months? Again the problem is GS's loot system. Insist that the GMs stop making more and more paid events and fix the fucking system.

I think you are at a point of the venn diagram where several of Simu's current projects overlap,
There is always a player base that doesn't like scripters, they cause screen scroll, they break immersion they make hunting an area harder, they ruin the loot yada yada yada...
There is an active effort by simu to rein in the silvers out there, I don't know why but you can tell this by the large number of raffles and a few telling GM post where they say going forward they are looking for ways to do this.
They seem lately to want to appear to be addressing the problems being brought up by players, or one could say they are in fact addressing problems brought up by players (not the ones I ever bring up though...but still)

and there there is you, scripting, generating silvers that they are trying to remove from the game for whatever reason and being reported by people.

[Tgo01]

Thread: Is Kynlee a GM?

boo fucking hoo. Quit playing the victim. Whine on the officials, paste GM replies here where you know they can't respond. You're little better than Inspire at this point. Go afk script shattered or farm WoW.

I have replied to the GMs on the officials, they are the ones who have since clammed up like they usually do when it comes to complaints about fixing broken systems.

[Buckwheet]

I guess I'll just do what most other silver sellers do; just keep all of my silver sales in one thread and keep deleting old posts and updating the first post with new information as I go along. Makes it more difficult to track all of the tens of thousands I am supposedly making off of this game.

A few days ago I started tracking how much silvers my capped wizard is making off of plane 4 of the rift. He made a whopping 140k yesterday.

It honestly is beginning to feel like I'm some sort of pawn Simu is using to divert attention away from the failure of the loot system. "Look at this guy! He is ruining the economy! Simply ruining it! We need to nerf the way he does things to bring the economy back to normal!" And all of the Simu fans cheer them on and demonize me.

Meanwhile the GMs can sit there and not have to bother fixing the obviously very broken loot system.

If you say your level 20 character hunting Thurfel's doesn't make close to or more than 140k a day then I have to say you are either not playing much or you're doing something wrong or you're lying. Possibly all three.

The treasure/loot system is broken. Simu doesn't want to fix it. Some of you are attacking me because of Simu's broken loot system. It's crazy. Just crazy!

Oh yeah; buy my silvers!

Oh yeah, yet another thing to add. Why is everyone assuming all of those silvers came from skinning? Is everyone admitting that the loot system is so piss poor in GS that I couldn't possibly have found any items worth selling for millions of silvers in the past 12 months? Again the problem is GS's loot system. Insist that the GMs stop making more and more paid events and fix the fucking system.

I wasn't trying to say it is all based on skinning. I am saying the portion of silvers you are getting that is from skinning is probably what has them with their undies in a bunch, and pretty much what Dendum says.

You can't convince the people pissed off at you for "making an area dirt poor" that you aren't scripting and that you aren't making a large amount of coins by "abusing" skinning.
You can't not be reported by said people because they are in the mindset of "this person is taking my crap so I am going to get them!" /report They simply can't help themselves. Jealousy is their problem.
Once a GM gets involved and sees "You made 11onehundredthousand billion silvers?!!! off hunting?!!!! ZOMG!" they look at that as a way to solve their constant influx of coins problem.

I don't think there is anything wrong with anyone farming the crap out of the current treasure system. Simu has the ability to create massive coin sinks if they wanted through a new system like AG. Just make it all cost silvers for players who don't want to pay for Simucoins and make the items available in the Simucoin store for people who don't want to merchant and or farm silvers.

[AnticorRifling]

Sorry, I just don't agree with that statement. If that makes me a tattler, then I accept the title.

Done.

[Warriorbird]

SashaFierce = Kynlee-eyonce?

[Buckwheet]

Done.

Wonderful.

[Jarvan]

After looking at your posted threads over the last year, I can see why you might be a target for AFK script checks.


3-16-14 - 45m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?89231-45-mil-15-bucks-per!)
2-20-14 - 100m @ 9 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?88607-100-million-silvers-for-sale-9-dollar-per-million!)
1-14-14 - 100m @ 9.5 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?87973-100-million-silvers-for-sale-9-50-per-million!)
12-03-13 - 48m @ 8.25 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?87186-48-million-silvers-at-8-25-per!)
11-25-13 - 50m @ 9 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?87089-50-million-silvers-for-9-dollars-per!)
11-13-13 - 34m @ 10 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?86828-34-mil-for-10-dollars-each)
10-28-13 - 16m @ 10 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?86427-16-million-for-10-dollars-per)
10-08-13 - 68m @ 10 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?86066-68-mil-for-10-per!)
09-08-13 - 23m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?85450-23-million-at-14-per)
08-28-13 - 17m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?85159-17-mil-at-14-per)
08-20-13 - 33m @ 13 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?84902-33-big-ones-for-sale-13-per)
07-07-13 - 60m @ 12.5 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?83571-60-million-silvers-for-12-50-each!)
07-05-13 - 62m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?83492-62-mil-for-14-dollars-per!)
06-03-13 - 35m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?82508-35-million-for-14-dollars-per!)
05-13-13 - 30m @ 13 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?81956-30-mil-for-13-dollars-per!)
04-30-13 - 13m @ 12 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?81523-13-million-silvers-up-for-auction!)
04-25-13 - 42m @ 13 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?81363-I-have-42-million-silvers-for-sale-you-buy-them!)
04-07-13 - 55m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?80680-55-million-silvers-for-14-per)
03-25-13 - 50m @ 17 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?80285-30-mil-at-20-dollars-per)


Adding up the silvers you've listed for sale over the last year, you have listed a total of 881 million silvers for a total profit of $10,315.

One lucky enhancive find can easily net you 10-20 mill depending on type.

The funny thing about this.. Tsin was 100x worse. Did you ever go into Tsin's house on Teras? There was usually 100 boxes there waiting to be picked by his pickerbot. The dude would be out hunting while his bot picked away for him.

What was it a GM said llast year during RTCF.. something like 200 mill a month? or is it a week? comes out of the treasure system. Lets take a month (I really think it was a week). If it's a month = 200 mill, then Tgo literally would have personally obtained 4 months worth of silvers in 1 year. 1 quarter of all silvers earned. Not likely.

If it's 200 mill a week. That's 800 or so a month. Which means he would have obtained roughly 1 month's worth of Silvers in 12 months. Still a shit ton, but more reasonable. Tgo isn't 1/12th the player base. I would have to guess that at least half his silvers is from Merchanting.

[Candor]

Done.

What, just "Tattler"? Not "Master Tattler" or even "Journeymen Tattler"?

I am going to report you for this and bring the issue up at the weekly tattler's meeting.

[Tgo01]

3-16-14 - 45m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?89231-45-mil-15-bucks-per!)
2-20-14 - 100m @ 9 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?88607-100-million-silvers-for-sale-9-dollar-per-million!)
1-14-14 - 100m @ 9.5 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?87973-100-million-silvers-for-sale-9-50-per-million!)
12-03-13 - 48m @ 8.25 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?87186-48-million-silvers-at-8-25-per!)
11-25-13 - 50m @ 9 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?87089-50-million-silvers-for-9-dollars-per!)
11-13-13 - 34m @ 10 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?86828-34-mil-for-10-dollars-each)
10-28-13 - 16m @ 10 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?86427-16-million-for-10-dollars-per)
10-08-13 - 68m @ 10 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?86066-68-mil-for-10-per!)
09-08-13 - 23m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?85450-23-million-at-14-per)
08-28-13 - 17m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?85159-17-mil-at-14-per)
08-20-13 - 33m @ 13 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?84902-33-big-ones-for-sale-13-per)
07-07-13 - 60m @ 12.5 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?83571-60-million-silvers-for-12-50-each!)
07-05-13 - 62m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?83492-62-mil-for-14-dollars-per!)
06-03-13 - 35m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?82508-35-million-for-14-dollars-per!)
05-13-13 - 30m @ 13 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?81956-30-mil-for-13-dollars-per!)
04-30-13 - 13m @ 12 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?81523-13-million-silvers-up-for-auction!)
04-25-13 - 42m @ 13 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?81363-I-have-42-million-silvers-for-sale-you-buy-them!)
04-07-13 - 55m @ 14 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?80680-55-million-silvers-for-14-per)
03-25-13 - 50m @ 17 per (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?80285-30-mil-at-20-dollars-per)

Taking another look at this list I can't believe people really think I was making this much silver skinning shit and not the more likely scenario that I was selling items I found or relisting the same silvers that didn't sell in the last thread.

Like from March 25th to April 7th people really think I made 55 million silvers from skinning shit? Isn't it more like I made 5 million and the 50 million on March 25th didn't sell for 17 dollars per?

Same with 62 million on 7-5 at 14 per then 2 days later I suddenly have another 60 million at 12.5 per? If people think I make 30 million silvers a day skinning well...I just don't know what to say.

Heck 11-13 I have 34 million up for sale at 10 per then 12 days later another 50 million for sale at 9 per? Or is it the 34 million didn't sell so 12 days later I have another 16 mil to add to the pile and I lower my prices to sell them? Come on people, it's okay to use your reasoning skills in this.

[SHAFT]

Just let it go Tgo. I am a wise man, heed my advice.

[Tgo01]

Just let it go Tgo. I am a wise man, heed my advice.

I was but the thread was bumped so I figured why not clear the air :p

[Warriorbird]

The GM just came in to try to defend her vendetta against you.

And I was just accused of being a conspiracy theorist for this post. Hmm.

[Tgo01]

And I was just accused of being a conspiracy theorist for this post. Hmm.

We all know GMs never come to the PC under different handles.

[Tisket]

The GM just came in to try to defend her vendetta against you.

That was my take on it too.