What Would You Do?

[xShadowMerchantx]

So here's the deal,

Yesterday a co-worker who I thought was my friend decided to turn me in for something I had done to another prick supervisor at work. (I took everything off his desk and threw it away.)

Well my friend ratted me out.

So for the past two days I've had a mini recorder in my pocket, and I've got the same rat on tape stating how he likes to smoke marijuana. (They do this OFTEN at work)

Would you turn in the rat, since you have evidence to support your findings? Or would you just let the rat go.

I still haven't decided.

WHAT WOULD YOU DO!?!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I wouldn't have been a punk bitch and thrown away my manager's things to begin with. Grow up and deal with your issues in a mature manner.

[Edited on 9-19-2004 by Suppa Hobbit Mage]

[Psykos]

Um, you'll get fucking sued you idiot -- You can't record people without their knowledge. You're a little worm.

Also, your actions sound like you're a little child -- throwing everything off his desk away... grow up.

:loser:

[Tsa`ah]

Pretty much what SHM said. Don't be pissed off because you got busted doing something wrong AT work. And don't be that little bitch that narcs everyone they can out because they got busted doing something stupid.

I deal with this every freakin day. So and so gets in trouble for being away from their work area to make or take a call on their cell phone while not on break, so they spend the next fucking two weeks narcing out people they see doing anything wrong.

Get over it, stop doing stupid shit at work and do the job you're paid to do.

[HarmNone]

Umm, sounds like you're pissed because your "friend" ratted you out. So, now you want to rat him out...about something he does in his off time? I'd be interested to know how you'd justify that one.

What you did was done on the job. It impacted the workplace directly. As long as your "friend" isn't smoking pot while working, I really don't see the correlation between the two actions.

I agree with SHM. Sounds like you have some growing up to do.

HarmNone

[Psykos]

Okay, post got deleted so let me rephrase everything --

Hance: You display similar actions to your little episode in your bosses office in game very often. This leads me to believe that HarmNone's statement: "Sounds like you have some growing up to do." Is a very relevant one.

Maybe if you became a better person, and tried to work issues out with others, instead of running from your problems, or causing larger problems, you'd have a lot less conflict in your life.

Psykos.

[xShadowMerchantx]

For starters, it wasn't my manager, it was a co-worker, we're both supervisors. And he's an ass who takes my chair every day and replaces it with a broken one. So I took all his shit and threw it away. I was tired of him stealing my chair and giving me a broken one.

About the RAT. They frequently do this at work. The reason I know is because I've gone with them multiple times. :)

They're doing it on company property on company time. They also sell it out of our call center. I've bought, my friends have bought. Its a second business for them out of our call center.

[Psykos]

So.. too childish wrongs make a right?

And if you're always pulling pranks on each other -- then whats the deal? Where do you work McDonalds? I can't imagine two supervisors at serious business acting like this..

Psykos

[Edited on 9-19-2004 by Psykos]

[Tsa`ah]

Selling an item does not mean it's legal to use it to record a conversation while the other person is not aware they are being recorded.

Additionally you should not play games at the work place or seek to retaliate in a way that will cause a loss to the company or destroy another co-worker's productivity.

Next time just take the chair and throw it away. Tell your boss that it was a work place hazard and you don't appreciate the other person switching chairs.

What you did was out of line, recording a private conversation is also illegal. You put your job at risk and your employer in a very tight legal spot.

Think before you act.

[xShadowMerchantx]

Doesn't matter if they're recorded without them knowing or not when its submitted anonymously.

[Tsa`ah]

Excuse me?

Joe, we have this recording of you admitting in conversation that you smoked pot.

Oh ya? Let me hear it.

:plays recording:

That's the conversation I had with Ed. I didn't know Ed was recording it. That's an illegal recording and not admisable in a court of law. So, do you want to fire me and deal with the legal mess?

No, I think we'll have a conversation with Ed.

[Psykos]

So not only are you a child, you're a coward.

Interesting...

Psykos



Originally posted by xShadowMerchantx
Doesn't matter if they're recorded without them knowing or not when its submitted anonymously.

[Psykos]

well put. :D



Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Excuse me?

Joe, we have this recording of you admitting in conversation that you smoked pot.

Oh ya? Let me hear it.

:plays recording:

That's the conversation I had with Ed. I didn't know Ed was recording it. That's an illegal recording and not admisable in a court of law. So, do you want to fire me and deal with the legal mess?

No, I think we'll have a conversation with Ed.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by xShadowMerchantx
For starters, it wasn't my manager, it was a co-worker, we're both supervisors. And he's an ass who takes my chair every day and replaces it with a broken one. So I took all his shit and threw it away. I was tired of him stealing my chair and giving me a broken one.

About the RAT. They frequently do this at work. The reason I know is because I've gone with them multiple times. :)

They're doing it on company property on company time. They also sell it out of our call center. I've bought, my friends have bought. Its a second business for them out of our call center.

Solution to problem number 1: Either get there early and secure your chair, or report the chair broken and ask for a new one.

Wrong answer: Throw somebody else's stuff away...I don't care who the hell it is or what they've done.

Solution to problem number 2: If you're out smoking pot with the RAT and others, who are you to report them for doing it? You're doing the same thing. Hypocritical much? If they're selling pot out of the call center and smoking pot on company time, and you are too, you've all got a problem. Said problem is directly related to the lack of maturity I mentioned previously. :rolleyes:

Get a grip. You're not a little kid anymore. You're working for a living, and there are certain rules which, if broken, can result in the loss of your livilihood when the PTB find out about it. Of course, perhaps you look forward to spending your life living under a stairway....

HarmNone

[Ilvane]

:heart::heart: HarmNone.

-A

[HarmNone]

Heh. To be honest, Ilvane, I'm totally shocked that anybody who is old enough to be working for a living would have to ask a question like this. Throwing away everything on somebody's desk because that somebody took "your" chair? Excuse me?

This sounds like a whole call center full of hopeless idiots, supervision included.:lol2:

HarmNone, glad she doesn't work there!

[Ilvane]

I work in a call center, myself. I would be firing these guys in a heartbeat, or at least writing them up until they learned how to behave as adults, never mind as a supervisor. It scares me to think of the employees, if this is the supervisor!

:lol:

-A

[xShadowMerchantx]

Yeah, our call center is a drama center.

And I'll be leaving in 14 days. :)

So on my way out why not burn all my bridges and get back at those who hurt me?

My roommate says I'm Evil.

[Adhara]

If a manager gets a tape with evidence of someone selling/smoking or doing whatever with drugs on company property and company time, they will find, if they're not too stupid, another valid reason to fire said employee. The drugs will never even be brought up and thus the point of a recording not being admissible will be moot. It's VERY easy for an employer to justify firing someone in a non-reproachable way.

I've seen this done first hand and it's very common practice. Doesn't mean the employer would automatically win in court, good lawyers can definitely expose the "coincidence" but it makes their case harder to prove.

As for the whole chair thing, throwing away the stuff was of course the wrong thing to do. Regardless of what subsequently happened, I suggest you follow your conscience. If you feel you must tell your superior about the drugs for moral reasons (doubtful since you admit to being part of it) then go ahead. If it's just for revenge then definitely don't do it. You just perpetuate the circle by doing to someone else what you didn't want done to you.

[Miss X]

Yeah, or you could do what any normal adult would do and just rise above the idiocy and get on with your work?

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by xShadowMerchantx
Yeah, our call center is a drama center.

And I'll be leaving in 14 days. :)

So on my way out why not burn all my bridges and get back at those who hurt me?

My roommate says I'm Evil.

Oh, sure. Why not burn bridges to "get back" at those who "hurt" you? That way, when you look for another job, there won't be one available to you. Imagine that! Then again, we all want to leave behind us the memory of a total idiot...

Or, you could simply neglect to mention you ever worked at this place. Little hole in the experience line? Who cares, eh? Certainly not the Human Resources professional who is looking for an experienced, well-rounded and capable employee. Nope. Not him. He's looking for a childish fool. Yup.

Your roommate is wrong. You're not evil. You're just incredibly immature, if not downright stupid.

HarmNone

[Psykos]

Note to myself, HarmNone is the voice of reason in a world of idiots.

<<Your roommate is wrong. You're not evil. You're just incredibly immature, if not downright stupid. >>

I added that to my list of best ever MSG Board quotes.

:)

Psykos

[xShadowMerchantx]

Getting back at these people would make no difference to my future whatsoever. For job verification they do nothing more than ask if you were employed there and they verify your title. Being that I'm leaving volunatarily, nothing bad is going to come of it.

"Then again, we all want to leave behind us the memory of a total idiot... "

The message board folks who have no life may think I'm an idiot, and I'm fine with that but the people I work with (aside from the rat & prick) like me. Even my project managers wife said that the whole thing was wrong, that I'm a great guy and that she's bummed about it.

Also, since I'm leaving, I wouldn't care one way or another if everyone in this call center thought something about me. I never have to deal with this drama center again.

So all in all. I have no reason to place any sort of gap in my employment history because of the way things are verified. And I can burn every bridge I've got because it doesn't make a difference one way or another.

[HarmNone]

You just go right on believing that, little fellow. We'll see where you are in a few years, eh?

HarmNone, laughing her ass off at the things people believe just because they're told they're true. These people should hear what's discussed "off the premises" by management....

[xShadowMerchantx]

That might be the case at a company with some sense. But things are run a little differently here. My project manager "management" didn't even tell his wife (who loves me by the way) about this situation.

Our HR department is one guy who I hang out with frequently. (He's family.) So laugh your ass off you fat stupid cunt because you're a dumb bitch and don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[Chadj]

Dear you,

Grow up.

Me.

Use the tape as blackmail durr

[HarmNone]

Of course, little idiot. Nobody knows what they're talking about but you, do they now? That's why you're such a glowing success! Yes! I've got it now!:spaz:

HarmNone, finding this hilariously funny

[Mistomeer]

Wow. So, you smoke pot with them, and you violated wiretapping laws in the process, so to get back at them, you're going to admit to doing both?

Dear Sir, here is a recording of two people smoking pot and there's a third recording it and partaking in the same illegal activity while breaking another law in the process. So basically, two people can testify about you and your drug habbits and your illegally recorded conversation or they can take you, and your illegal tape and do nothing with it?

I actually saw something similar on cops. This lady flagged down a cop to report that the crack she had purchased was fake. You're about that fucking stupid, if not more.

[Shari]

Originally posted by xShadowMerchantx
The message board folks who have no life may think I'm an idiot, and I'm fine with that but the people I work with (aside from the rat & prick) like me.


Ummm, you do realize that YOU are posting on these boards too, yes?

With that being said...you're pissed about a broken chair? How fucking old are you?

[Psykos]

I really like how this dbag is trying to take a whole professional tone with this whole matter. :loser:



Originally posted by xShadowMerchantx
That might be the case at a company with some sense. But things are run a little differently here. My project manager "management" didn't even tell his wife (who loves me by the way) about this situation.

Our HR department is one guy who I hang out with frequently. (He's family.) So laugh your ass off you fat stupid cunt because you're a dumb bitch and don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[Chadj]

Like, damn.. People in MY work place are more mature, and the average age is probably 17.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Jesae

Originally posted by xShadowMerchantx
The message board folks who have no life may think I'm an idiot, and I'm fine with that but the people I work with (aside from the rat & prick) like me.


Ummm, you do realize that YOU are posting on these boards too, yes?

With that being said...you're pissed about a broken chair? How fucking old are you?

Damn people, come on, he's the most popular cry baby pot head at the call center.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Psykos
I really like how this dbag is trying to take a whole professional tone with this whole matter. :loser:


Originally posted by xShadowMerchantx
That might be the case at a company with some sense. But things are run a little differently here. My project manager "management" didn't even tell his wife (who loves me by the way) about this situation.

Our HR department is one guy who I hang out with frequently. (He's family.) So laugh your ass off you fat stupid cunt because you're a dumb bitch and don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Heh. Not to mention that the HR guy is probably a "friend"...just like the "friend" who reported his actions in the first place.

Nope. Afraid shadowmerchant doesn't win any prizes for intellect. I wonder if he can pick up pennies with his toes.....:lol:

HarmNone...don't ask for opinions if you don't wanna know

[xShadowMerchantx]

I can, I have talented feet.

[xShadowMerchantx]

BTW, I stopped smoking pot and I'm leaving that company in 13 days.

I like that blackmail idea but the rat is poor so I don't know that I could get anything out of it.

It would be fun to scare the shit out of him by telling him that he's a backstabbing bitch and I have him on tape admitting that he smokes on company time.

Hrm, decisions.

[Parkbandit]

I thought he was just roleplaying a stupid idiot in a game.. I had no idea it was an actual extention of himself.

Interesting.

[Scott]

<<<<<For job verification they do nothing more than ask if you were employed there and they verify your title.>>>>

Maybe at Burger King or something, but most places call your old jobs and speak to your direct supervisor and ask him/her questions just like they would a reference.

[xShadowMerchantx]

You do realize that the company is not allowed to state anything negative about you?

Legally?

Also, They don't talk to our supervisory staff. Its handled completely in the HR dept.

PS. My company is a small company, it doesn't work how you all think it does.

[Tsa`ah]

News flash buddy. They can say something negative if it is a fact.

Would former employee X be considered for re-hire?

Not a chance in hell.

How about his attendance record.

Our policy states 8 days in a calander year. Employee X exceeded policy restraints by 12.

Did you think employee X was a good performer in the position he held?

Employee X did not perform to the expected standards required of his position.

I get calls for references all the time and I've never been slapped with a slander charge.

If the information is factual, you can't do squat about it.

[Edited on 9-20-2004 by Tsa`ah]

[Caiylania]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
I thought he was just roleplaying a stupid idiot in a game.. I had no idea it was an actual extention of himself.

Interesting.

Ah... the wonders of knowledge. Now what do we do with it?

[AnticorRifling]

Holy shit this is so 8th grade. Dude just mail me your lunch money and make it easier on yourself.

[Auriia]

What Would You Do?

1. I wouldn't have thrown his stuff out.
2. since I wouldn't have done #1, there'd be no need to record.
3. Since I wouldn't have done #1 or #2....there'd be no issue.


Auriia..... just boringly mature. LOL

[Jazuela]

Also, since I'm leaving, I wouldn't care one way or another if everyone in this call center thought something about me. I never have to deal with this drama center again.

Storytime, kids (you knew this was gonna happen right?)

Once upon a time, I worked for the AAA. I took calls from people who hated us because it meant something was wrong with their cars and they wanted to get from point A to point B RIGHT THIS MINUTE!

Two different things happened while I worked there, that are relevent to the quote above.

1) A guy called saying his limo got a flat and his jack broke. I tried to explain to him that we don't go to calls for commercial vehicles. I kept my cool, being as empathetic as I possibly could, letting him know that yes, we really DO care - and how we would hate to be stuck in the same situation.

He was extremely understanding, though also understandably upset. Because I felt this guy deserved a break, I asked my supervisor if we could make an exception. He was on the highway off on a very narrow shoulder of the road, in a pretty nasty area of traffic. My boss made the exception - and it turned out the limo driver had Robert Redford as his passenger in the car at the time. He sent me a free ticket to some movie premiere to thank me.

Moral of -that- story: Just because you CAN get pissy at someone for being a moron doesn't mean you should. Being nice in spite of it can get you a lot more good stuff than doing the easy thing and shouting "NO SERVICE, NEXT!!!"

Part Deux:

My supervisor was a class A bitch who was sleeping with the co-owner of the franchise. I tried to be nice to her - never stopped trying, no matter how rotton she was while I worked there. I made sure she knew that I just wanted to do my job, and that I was eager to please and happy to be there.

Many years later, I got a speeding ticket. I signed it with a check for "not guilty" and sent it in. Had to attend a hearing to argue my case. Showed up at traffic court, and WHO was the bailiff that day? My ex-boss at the AAA. She had left the company after her boss-lover sold it, and was working for the state now. She remembered me as someone who went out of my way to be nice to her - and she arranged for my ticket to be nolled and sent me home without having to attend the hearing.

Moral of THAT story: The guy you piss off today could be the guy you have to grovel for tomorrow.