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Methais
02-26-2014, 02:06 PM
Apparently there's some big uproar going on right now about how some high school basketball game ended...

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As the trio of referees quickly exited the court, Celina High School girls basketball coach Jordan Davis ran after them, incredulous and yelling, “Are you kidding me?”

Videos of her squad’s unexplained loss in the Texas 3A Girls’ Region II Final appear to support Davis’ pointed reaction. Indeed one 30-plus-year veteran Texas basketball official called it “the worst ending to a basketball game I’ve ever seen in my many years of officiating.”

Celina trailed Argyle 51-50 with 4.8 seconds left in double-overtime, reported WFAA-TV in Dallas. Videos show Celina’s Kynese Davis driving down the court, tossing up a desperation shot behind the three-point line, and one referee blowing his whistle and holding up an arm, indicating a foul.

And less than a second remained on the clock.

Argyle players drop their heads, knowing Davis was about to go the foul line and possibly give Celina the lead.

But just moments later the referees jog off the court together accompanied by one final whistle indicating the game was over.

“Somebody was like, ‘It’s over, it’s over!’” Kynese Davis told WFAA. “I was like, ‘What?’ And I was just shocked.”

Celina principal Bill Hemby had tournament officials ask the refs to return to the floor and offer an explanation. They didn’t. And they had no comment.

“There were a lot of upset fans,” Hemby told WFAA regarding Saturday’s game. “No clarity whatsoever to what took place.”

“To walk into that locker room and not be able to give them an explanation of what happened and some type of closure,” Celina coach Davis told WFAA. “That’s probably one of the hardest things I’ve ever done.”

So no triumphant trip to Austin for the state championship for the Celina Ladycats…but they did protest to the University Interscholastic League.

The UIL’s response? “Once the game is over, UIL rules do not allow any type of protest based on an official’s judgment or decision.”

For Celina’s part, it’s about time the UIL makes changes, including making sure refs explaining decisions before leaving the playing area.

“Just prevent this from happening to anybody’s baby’s again,” Hemby told WFAA. “Period. End of sentence.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/26/video-of-basketball-games-conclusion-is-the-worst-ending-to-a-basketball-gameever/

Some people say the chick was fouled and the refs were corrupt/paid off, some say the chick was travelling, some say she wasn't and that it was a jump stop (which as far as I know, requires both feet to hit the ground simultaneously), some are blaming Obama, and some are blaming Bush.

What do you PC sports analysts think?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gfj1w9OIKs

The only thing I'm certain of is that I was hoping someone would punch that ginger chick in the beginning that took the free throw while she was bouncing around doing jumping jacks.

Archigeek
02-26-2014, 02:40 PM
Definitely travelling. Maybe a foul, but she took 12 steps vs 3 dribbles going down court. Go ahead, count them. Also, it's a basketball game. Not all fouls or travelling get seen/called. Still lame that they rushed off the court without any explanation. Maybe there were threats? They were afraid for their lives?

Jarvan
02-26-2014, 03:10 PM
Definitely travelling. Maybe a foul, but she took 12 steps vs 3 dribbles going down court. Go ahead, count them. Also, it's a basketball game. Not all fouls or travelling get seen/called. Still lame that they rushed off the court without any explanation. Maybe there were threats? They were afraid for their lives?

Clarifications

It is impossible to travel while dribbling.[9] The height of the dribble or number of steps taken per dribble is irrelevant.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traveling_%28basketball%29

Not Traveling at all. Certainly a foul. Hell, the look on the fouling girls faces shows they knew they were done for. Never saw refs leave the "field" so fast in my life. They didn't even call the game, they just RAN.

Maybe this was the hood?

Methais
02-26-2014, 03:15 PM
Clarifications

It is impossible to travel while dribbling.[9] The height of the dribble or number of steps taken per dribble is irrelevant.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traveling_%28basketball%29

Not Traveling at all. Certainly a foul. Hell, the look on the fouling girls faces shows they knew they were done for. Never saw refs leave the "field" so fast in my life. They didn't even call the game, they just RAN.

Maybe this was the hood?

The travelling was on the bunny hop, not the steps taken while dribbling.

At least as far as I know, a jump stop (legal) requires both feet to hit the ground at the same time. The chick in this video clearly did not do that.

Hopefully Latrin will be along soon with some graphs and shit to set us straight.

Tgo01
02-26-2014, 03:17 PM
I'm certainly no expert but from my little understanding of basketball it looks like traveling to me too. It looks like she stopped dribbling then took two steps before shooting. Isn't that traveling?

Latrinsorm
02-26-2014, 03:18 PM
You can take any number of steps while dribbling. You don't see it as much in the NBA because such head-high dribbles are much easier to steal.

A jump stop is landing on two feet, but you do not have to land on two feet for it not to be a travel. You have to take off from both feet, because you can't pick up your pivot foot if your other foot is still on the ground. You can also push off with the other foot and then take off from the pivot foot, like Dirk. The pivot foot is what matters. (The reason for a jump stop is that by landing on two feet you can decide to use either as the pivot, so the defender has to be ready to honor both and therefore can't defend either as well. This is the same reasoning behind landing on two feet when taking a post entry pass, like Hakeem.)

Your so-called "jumping jacks" are how you're supposed to defend that kind of inbounds. You want to give up the short pass rather than the long pass because time starts when the ball is touched in bounds.

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I don't know what the handchecking rules are for girl's high school basketball, but the hand to the small of the dribbler's back is technically a foul in the NBA. I would be very surprised if it was called in this situation.

It's hard to tell whether it's a foul from this angle. The shooter may have fallen simply because she was sprinting up the court and lunging into a shot after two overtimes. The steps look clean to me. Nothing else seems to be happening on the court to warrant a whistle. It's possible that the referee thought he saw a foul and then changed his mind or was overruled by the crew chief, they call this an "inadvertent whistle" and in the NBA they'd go over to the monitors for 30 minutes to decide how much time to put back on the clock. Girl's high school doesn't have instant replay, and there was less than a second between whistle and end of game so it's not like they egregiously robbed time.

I'm 100% sure that if you watched the full film of that game you'd find calls a lot worse. And also you would kill yourself, because a 51-50 game after four quarters and two overtimes is excruciating.

Methais
02-26-2014, 04:05 PM
Your so-called "jumping jacks" are how you're supposed to defend that kind of inbounds. You want to give up the short pass rather than the long pass because time starts when the ball is touched in bounds.

I know that. It's probably just because she was a ginger.


Girl's high school doesn't have instant replay

But...we just saw instant replay! 3 days later is close enough to be considered instant.

The only fair way is for this to be settled in a Hell in a Cell match, live on PPV this Sunday.

Latrinsorm
02-26-2014, 05:09 PM
I know that. It's probably just because she was a ginger.Better look over your shoulder for the Red Mamba, gingerphobe.
But...we just saw instant replay! 3 days later is close enough to be considered instant.

The only fair way is for this to be settled in a Hell in a Cell match, live on PPV this Sunday.Logically the videographer should have hucked his phone at the refs. For instant replay purposes.

Johnny Five
02-26-2014, 05:33 PM
hucked? lol

Latrinsorm
02-26-2014, 05:42 PM
hucked? lolYou would prefer winged? Damn liberal New York City elite robots, trying to tell the common man which vernacular is appropriate. DON'T TREAD ON ME with your treads, and by the way they don't look at all practical.

Johnny Five
02-26-2014, 06:45 PM
You would prefer winged? Damn liberal New York City elite robots, trying to tell the common man which vernacular is appropriate. DON'T TREAD ON ME with your treads, and by the way they don't look at all practical.

Damn redneck racists saying hucked and winged while chewing on that piece of barley.