Using a fixskill on my Sorc: Please take a look at proposed skills

[masrulez]

I'm planning to use a fixskill shortly. I'm pretty happy with what I've come up with, but I thought I would throw this out there to see if I am missing anything glaring or any improvements ought to be made.

I don't like bolt spells, hence no SA.
I am trying to max on CS for the most part.
I don't skin and I have plenty of mana as I wrack when I hunt.
I most frequently hunt with 702, 705, 711, 717 and 719.
I also want to be good at ensorcelling. 735 is a really awesome improvement.

My biggest question is, does it make sense for me to keep me to keep all 52 ranks of SL: Demon, or should I switch a bunch of those over to SL: Necro? 52 ranks of SL: Demon is needed for max effects from 712 and better 704 usage on boxes, but am I better off putting those points (or some of them) into SL: Necro ranks for the bonus to 711 and ensorcell?

Also: I like my +21 Sorc circle, but am I overtraining in MnE and MnS?

Any and all thoughts appreciated.

(at level 57), your base skill bonuses, ranks and goals are:
Skill Name

Armor Use - 8
PF - 57
AS - 57
MIU - 57
HP - 59
EMC - 57
SMC - 57
SL: D - 52
SL: N - 7
Perception - 57
Climb - 30
Swim - 20
MnE - 38
MnS - 38
Sorc - 78

[Dayko]

Here's a good reference.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?85130-Fixstating-My-Sorcerer

[Jeril]

I'd say the demonology is fine as is, unless you use 711 a lot then I'd say you'd want to switch that up. You have a lot more MnS then you really need I think unless you use 130/140 a lot, if you do keep them, if not you can scale those back for my sorcerer ranks if you want. Going forward I'd suggest keeping MnE at 2/3 your level and pushing more into sorcerer ranks.

[masrulez]

I'd say the demonology is fine as is, unless you use 711 a lot then I'd say you'd want to switch that up. You have a lot more MnS then you really need I think unless you use 130/140 a lot, if you do keep them, if not you can scale those back for my sorcerer ranks if you want. Going forward I'd suggest keeping MnE at 2/3 your level and pushing more into sorcerer ranks.

Thanks. I tend to use 711 against non-magical types and I forsee using it more frequently as I get towards cap. But then again, Necro is now increasing each level, so that will help over time. I feel like I would use 140 for tricky situations once I get it.

[zhelas]

Thanks. I tend to use 711 against non-magical types and I forsee using it more frequently as I get towards cap. But then again, Necro is now increasing each level, so that will help over time. I feel like I would use 140 for tricky situations once I get it.

I use 140 only in tricky situations. Invasions...If I am still alive after being disarmed and I am trying to get my runestaff back.

After I returned after my 4 year break from the days of Growing pains...wow those days made me hate GS.

I had the same questions and decisions you are now making. My solution was to increase my Lore Training from 1x to 1.5x. But I sacrificed other things to do so. Like an UBER CS. But when I finally reached cap, My CS was 513. Which was more than adequate to kill everything at the time. Now I am working on increasing that 525 and still growing.

[masrulez]

I'd say the demonology is fine as is, unless you use 711 a lot then I'd say you'd want to switch that up. You have a lot more MnS then you really need I think unless you use 130/140 a lot, if you do keep them, if not you can scale those back for my sorcerer ranks if you want. Going forward I'd suggest keeping MnE at 2/3 your level and pushing more into sorcerer ranks.

Since I want to use 140, I'd like to at least have 40 ranks in MnS. Can I stop there forever?

[zhelas]

Since I want to use 140, I'd like to at least have 40 ranks in MnS. Can I stop there forever?

Yes.

Stopping at 140 all the way through cap is very viable. When you cap you can consider raising it to 66 or 67.

[Jeril]

Most go up to at least 67 at some point, the DS is nice and it is also part of maximizing CS. People who train over 67 are more focused on having DS then their absolute max CS. As a sorcerer you get 1 DS per level from 712, training in MnS gives you 2 DS every even rank, and training in MnE gives you 1 DS every even rank.

[masrulez]

Thank you Zhelas and Jeril. Given the type of sorcerer I am and how I like to play, I think I'll just keep it simple and 2/3x MnS and MnE (stopping MnS) at cap (67 ranks) and keeping 700s at 21 ranks over level. Any remaining points can go into pushing SL: Necro up so that lores get closer and closer to 1.5x over time. I guess the other option is to keep lores at 1x and put additional points in 700s, but I think returns diminish pretty greatly after 21 ranks over (+1 CS every 2 ranks after?).

[Whirlin]

Jeril's advice is spot on.

Regarding CS:
Sorc spell circle: +1 up to level
+.75 up to Level+20
+.5 from Level+21 to Level+60
+.25 from Level+61 to Level +100

Secondary Circle:
+1/3 CS per rank up to 2/3 Level
+.1 from 2/3 Level to Level
+.05 after that.

The primary Circle bonus is rounded... That's why there's the +21 recommendation (20 ranks = 15, therefore 21 ranks = 15.5, subsequently rounded up). Secondary circles are ceiling'ed, so having 5.05 would still net 6.

With this in mind... At Sorc +21, each subsequent rank would net +.5 CS. One additional rank in MnE should net .33 CS + bonus from 425. 425 normally grants +.5 CS per MnE Rank... However, that's only for pure elemental bonuses. Since Sorcerer circle is a hybrid circle, that bonus is halved. So you're only getting +.25 CS per rank.

Therefore, MnE up to 2/3rds level nets you +.58 CS, and MnE from 2/3rds to 1x level nets you +.35 CS

Therefore the following heirarchy can be used to maximize CS:
Sorcerer up to Level +21 ranks
MnE up to 2/3rds Level
Sorcerer up to Level + 60 Ranks
MnE up to 73 ranks
MnS up to 67 ranks
Sorcerer ranks for... remaining 3 ranks...?

However, as you pointed out, MnS has some nice spells... I wouldn't recommend putting MnS THAT low in the priority, especially before you've unlocked all the spells. Additional ranks can also always be dumped into MnS in order to further increase DS, should you ever have DS problems.

[Jeril]

You don't want to stop sorcerer at +60 over, you want it on an odd number. There was talk in the bard folder that 77 MnE would produce another CS point. This means that 77 MnE, 67 MnS, 159 sorcerer, should give the same CS as 73 MnE, 163 sorcerer, and 67 MnS while also providing +2 DS/TD from 430, you'd also max the bonus of 425 in regards to AS and elemental CS.

[Whirlin]

For +20, odd numbers would be accurate. However, since it's Rounded to the nearest (up at .5), 62 would be the point where another point of CS is generated

160 = 100 *1
20*.75
40*.50
=135
161 would yield 135.25, which would round down, so you need 162 to round it up to 136... no reason to go to 163

On the MnE side, I believe at 73, you're already getting the last point of CS that you'd get from 425, so we're only looking at the secondary circle benefits

66 ranks @ 2/3 = 44 CS
73-66 = 7*.1 = .7 CS, Ceiling, so it's +1 to 45 CS
You'd require 4 more ranks to hit 1.1 at 77 ranks

... which... is exactly what you said...
Damnit.

http://danceswithfat.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/jump-to-conclusions-mat.jpg

[Jeril]

Also, primary circle works the same as secondary, it rounds up to the nearest whole number. So, even being +61 over gives you +1 CS.

[Whirlin]

I'll test that and update Krakii accordingly.

[Moonwitch]

Thanks for the advice, I've been peeking and reading and did a fixskill for my old sorceress and boosted her CS by 13 which makes hunting so much less frustating. No frustration means I'll actually hunt her, hopefully sometime this century she'll cap and I can fixstat and she can ensorcell.

[Jeril]

Actually, you are probably right about primary CS. Almost as soon as I made my post I started thinking about it and if it really did just round up empaths/clerics would see 1 more CS point then they do. It is a simple enough thing to test though.

25 CS from stats
46 CS from secondary circles
300 CS from level 100
100 CS from first 100 spells
15 CS for ranks 101-120
20 CS for ranks 121-160
This is a total of 506
Empaths/clerics are told to train to 169 but if those extra 9 spells just rounded to the nearest whole number they should hit a CS of 509 instead of the 508 max that they see.

[Jeril]

So, I asked Miho and he was kind enough to use his fixskills to test this, at 169 ranks he had a CS of 508. He then lowered his spells to 160.
160 empath ranks CS 506
161 empath ranks CS 506
162 empath ranks CS 507
163 empath ranks CS 507
164 empath ranks CS 507
165 empath ranks CS 507
166 empath ranks CS 508

So, I guess that confirmed the whole .5 being the rounding point for primary circle CS.