Guess not only I hate bush.

[Jenisi]

I love all these people http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?flok=FF-APO-1131&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040829%2F1355910249.htm&sc=1131&photoid=2 0040829TJS108

DOWN WITH BUSH.

[Artha]

Because shutting down big parts of a city is a wonderful way to make a statement.

[Jenisi]

Whatever get's attention.

[Jenisi]

I don't think a written petition would have made the news.

[CrystalTears]

Not the right kind though.

[Scott]

So it made the news.... what does that do?

[Artha]

"These people pissed me off, I think I am going to join their cause!"

[kheldarin]

Why is it ALL women here hate Bush?

Just wondering..don't be hatin'.

Hahahahaha.

[Tsa`ah]

Not just the women.

[Artha]

Yeah, there are girly men too.

[Shari]

Originally posted by kheldarin
Why is it ALL women here hate Bush?

Just wondering..don't be hatin'.

Hahahahaha.

Because its all picky, and really unsightly sticking out of your bathing suit. Best to just wax all that shit off and leave a strip.








Sorry, couldn't help myself.

[Ravenstorm]

And not one person was arrested for wearing an anti-Bush tee shirt. Amazing. Good thing the Secret Service wasn't there or the jails would have been over loaded.

Raven

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Jenisi
Whatever get's attention.

That sounds like a direct quote from Bin Laden.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Hate is such a strong word.

I'm curious your standpoint on it Jenisi. What makes you hate him? Which political viewpoints does he represent that you dislike? How has he impacted you as an American in such a way as to make you (per the dictionary) have an intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger or a sense of injury.

Please, educate us on your unusually strong standpoint so that we may all understand your loathing of our president. What are you going to do about it also?

[Edited on 8-30-2004 by Suppa Hobbit Mage]

[Soulpieced]

OMFG I hatez him because he r BUSH and soldiers died in Iraq. If it weren't for him, all those families would still have their children. Those innocent soldiers didn't know when they enlisted that they might be fronted with the possibility of fighting and dying for their country and it's all Bush's fault. If we didn't go into Iraq then we could have left Saddam to continue killing innocent people and left Al Qaeda to continue to promote terrorist attacks on the stoopid US. I r don't know anything about politix but Bush is bad!


End satire.

Post Script: Soulpieced in no way claims to know or care anything about politics, but does know many "Bush haters" don't know shit about shit, and the above is probably a primary reason ((Bush dealing with Iraq)) why people dislike him. Which is completely ludicrous.

[Parkbandit]

God Bill, you are so out of it.

It's "IN" to hate Bush. Take a look at Hollywood. Take a look at the music artists. It's so IN right now man.

[Back]

On Larry King Bush said if we hadn’t gone into Iraq, Saddam would have defied the world again, as if he had some magic mirror that could see into the future. Ironically, it was Bush who defied the world by going into Iraq. And he did it with false information while misleading the public/world about the real reasons we went there.

Afganistan should have been our focus this whole time.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Backlash
On Larry King Bush said if we hadn’t gone into Iraq, Saddam would have defied the world again, as if he had some magic mirror that could see into the future. Ironically, it was Bush who defied the world by going into Iraq. And he did it with false information while misleading the public/world about the real reasons we went there.

Afganistan should have been our focus this whole time.

Bush cannot declare war, it takes an act of congress to do it.

Also, please take a look at the last UN resolutions pertaining to Iraq.

Thanks.

[CrystalTears]

I don't hate Bush. I don't love him but I am voting for him. I don't trust Kerry at all, so I'm sticking with the lesser of the two evils.

OMG and if I hear one more time how he was the sole reason we went to war in Iraq and lied to us about WMD to go there, not only am I going to vote for him, I'm going to wear a "I love Bush" (heh) t-shirt until the election.

[Edited on 8/30/2004 by CrystalTears]

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
God Bill, you are so out of it.

It's "IN" to hate Bush. Take a look at Hollywood. Take a look at the music artists. It's so IN right now man.

I certainly hope this is not the way you think all those who are adamant about wanting Bush out of office came to hold such an opinion.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I don't hate Bush. I don't love him but I am voting for him. I don't trust Kerry at all, so I'm sticking with the lesser of the two evils.

OMG and if I hear one more time how he was the sole reason we went to war in Iraq and lied to us about WMD to go there, not only am I going to vote for him, I'm going to wear a "I love Bush" (heh) t-shirt until the election.

[Edited on 8/30/2004 by CrystalTears]

I just could never vote for someone for President that I truly think is not qualified.

He may not be flat out stupid. But he is just not a bright man. I just can not vote for someone that unable to think for himself. I have no doubt that I personally could out debate him and that is just sad.

I have no issue with him being a rich little daddies boy and playing with Saudi money all he wants.

Just not as my president.

[Edited on 8-30-2004 by Skirmisher]

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Skirmisher

Originally posted by Parkbandit
God Bill, you are so out of it.

It's "IN" to hate Bush. Take a look at Hollywood. Take a look at the music artists. It's so IN right now man.

I certainly hope this is not the way you think all those who are adamant about wanting Bush out of office came to hold such an opinion.

No, but I do believe that this is a contributing factor. When young adults see their idols putting down Bush, it makes them want to as well. They don't know the facts, they merely know that the person whom they enjoy watching perform doesn't like Bush.. they maybe they shouldn't as well.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
I just could never vote for someone for President that I truly think is not qualified.

He may not be flat out stupid. But he is just not a bright man. I just can not vote for someone that unable to think for himself. I have no doubt that I personally could out debate him and that is just sad.

I have no issue with him being a rich little daddies boy and playing with Saudi money all he wants.

Just not as my president.



Oh yes.. I also forgot that conspiracy theories and unfounded bullshit also contribute to people disliking Bush.

[CrystalTears]

Maybe I'm not listening to the right stuff and someone can veer me there, but all I hear from Kerry is what's broken. Well no shit Sherlock, we're broken. Tell me how you're going to fix America and then I'll give you my vote.

It's why I didn't vote for Gore and why I won't vote for Kerry. I won three purple hearts, I invented the internet, I did this, I did that. OMG I don't care. Tell me how you will make a good president of the USA not of the student council.

[Kefka]

Which conspiracy theories are you referring to?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I <3 CT

Skirmisher, as far as Bush not thinking for himself, I'd disagree. I think he surrounds himself with truly smart people, and takes his lead from them though. That could be perceived as not thinking for himself, but if he uses expert opinion to guide and shape his own, I'd say... that is just good policy.

[Kefka]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Maybe I'm not listening to the right stuff and someone can veer me there, but all I hear from Kerry is what's broken. Well no shit Sherlock, we're broken. Tell me how you're going to fix America and then I'll give you my vote.

It's why I didn't vote for Gore and why I won't vote for Kerry. I won three purple hearts, I invented the internet, I did this, I did that. OMG I don't care. Tell me how you will make a good president of the USA not of the student council.

:?:

In every speech Kerry gives, he follows up what's broken with how he's gonna fix it. That's what all candidates do when facing an incumbent.

[CrystalTears]

That's why I said, veer me to those speeches cause I'm not hearing it.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
I have no doubt that I personally could out debate him and that is just sad.
:lol: You'd beat his ass down and that''s just with the first question.

[Kefka]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
That's why I said, veer me to those speeches cause I'm not hearing it.

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/

Not exactly his speeches, but his plans nonetheless.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Kefka
Which conspiracy theories are you referring to?

Also, a big contributor is people not realizing what they post are conspiracy theories and not based upon facts.

Let's see.. some Bush conspiracy theories:

* The only reason Bush called for the liberation of Iraq was because Saddam threatened to kill his father.

* Bush is stupid and is being led around by his advisers like a puppet.

* Bush is friends with the Saudi's. Saudi's orchestrated 9-11. Bush still friends with the Saudi's.

* Bush stole the 2000 Presidential election

* Bush gets richer the higher the price for oil gets... which is a sub-reason for the war against Iraq.

* Bush did the tax cuts to financially help his good friends.

* Osama has been captured for months now, but the Bush Administration plans on waiting until a week prior to the election to tell us.

* Bush was AWOL from the reserves, so shut up about Kerry's war record.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Jenisi
Whatever get's attention. Remind me to throw AIDS-infested scalpels at Kerry's kids.
Originally posted by Skirmisher
I have no doubt that I personally could out debate him and that is just sad. I hope you didn't vote for Gore, then. (Logic: Skirm > Bush, Bush > Gore, Skirm > Gore)

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold

Originally posted by Skirmisher
I have no doubt that I personally could out debate him and that is just sad.
:lol: You'd beat his ass down and that''s just with the first question.

Yes.. because you have spoke in front of millions of people before and know that every word you say will be scrutinized beyond belief.

It's easy to say.. it's easy to believe.. it's might not be as easy as you think it is.

Klaive thinks he could be a ninja.. but that doesn't make it so.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Yes.. because you have spoke in front of millions of people before and know that every word you say will be scrutinized beyond belief.

It's easy to say.. it's easy to believe.. it's might not be as easy as you think it is.

Klaive thinks he could be a ninja.. but that doesn't make it so. All I will say is that if Bush can do it, anyone can. If a child can make it to the spelling bee championships and stand before hundreds in a room, millions on television and spell a difficult word correctly, what would stop anyone with 2 brain cells from doing something Bush can and has done?

Comparing Klaive thinking he's a Ninja to Bush "thinking" period: Priceless.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Yes.. because you have spoke in front of millions of people before and know that every word you say will be scrutinized beyond belief.

It's easy to say.. it's easy to believe.. it's might not be as easy as you think it is.

Klaive thinks he could be a ninja.. but that doesn't make it so. All I will say is that if Bush can do it, anyone can. If a child can make it to the spelling bee championships and stand before hundreds in a room, millions on television and spell a difficult word correctly, what would stop anyone with 2 brain cells from doing something Bush can and has done?

Comparing Klaive thinking he's a Ninja to Bush "thinking" period: Priceless.

Actually, it was Klaive thinking he's a Ninja was compared to Skirmisher believing she could do better at public speaking than Bush.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Yes.. because you have spoke in front of millions of people before and know that every word you say will be scrutinized beyond belief.

It's easy to say.. it's easy to believe.. it's might not be as easy as you think it is.

Klaive thinks he could be a ninja.. but that doesn't make it so.

That you would make an analogy using Klaive and relate it to me is insulting.

I don't have the false notion that I could win a debate with some of the more intelligent Republicans, so please do not somehow get that from my statement.

My sentiment applies only to the ::wince:: current President of the US.

I don't have incredible issues with all republicans. I have issues with a woefully unqualified man being in the seat of power. I have issues with that because no matter how many smart advisers he has, the final decision is his and that scares me.

[DeV]

Actually it was Skirmisher believing she could beat Bush in a debate.

[Kefka]

<<* The only reason Bush called for the liberation of Iraq was because Saddam threatened to kill his father.>>

It's one of the reasons, not the only. Considering that the words came from Bush's own mouth, it's hardly considered a conspiracy theory.


<<* Bush is stupid and is being led around by his advisers like a puppet.>>

That's no secret and hardly a conspiracy theory.


<<* Bush is friends with the Saudi's. Saudi's orchestrated 9-11. Bush still friends with the Saudi's.>>

He didn't have Saudi family connections during his time in the National Guard?


<<* Bush stole the 2000 Presidential election>>

When 50.1% of all those who voted believes it to be true, is it really a conspiracy theory? Maybe it's just plain coincidence that the state in question is governed by Bush's own brother, and Katherine Harris happened to be campaigning for Bush too. Weird.


<<* Bush gets richer the higher the price for oil gets... which is a sub-reason for the war against Iraq.>>

Who are we fighting in Iraq? Insurgents, the Iraqi people who's had enough of our presence in their country. Saddam's captured and there are no WMD's. What other possible reason are we still there?


<<* Bush did the tax cuts to financially help his good friends.>>

Nah. That's what his cutting of overtime, privatization of social security, changes in environmental laws are suppose to do. Oh and then there's Enron. The tax cuts are so we can smile while he's secretly screwing us without vaseline.


<<* Osama has been captured for months now, but the Bush Administration plans on waiting until a week prior to the election to tell us.>>

Ok. I'll admit that this "October surprise" has been hanging around the air for awhile. Who would put this pass him? His own record shows him to be the kind of person who would do such a thing.

<<* Bush was AWOL from the reserves, so shut up about Kerry's war record.>>

Is that a conspiracy theory?

He didn't have Saudi family connections during his time in the National Guard?

Heh. No. I stopped reading there.

[Parkbandit]

Dear Skirmisher-

Please post your qualifications that would lead you to believe you would win a debate against the President of the United States.

And "woefully unqualified" was a phrase used against Ronald Reagan.. and he's considered a great President by many historians. Please elaborate his specific skills that he is woefully unqualified for.

Also, do you feel that Clinton was qualified to be President?

Thanks.

[Ilvane]

Park, you are the type of person I dislike so much I can't take listening to.

I have to say though, the thoughts you have are like so many in the Bush administration. Protests are a great way to express your free speech, and they are not anti-American, or like Bin Laden if they want to call attention to that.

You are allowed to say your opinions thanks to that wonderful thing called free speech..While you don't have to listen to what these people say, they have the right to say what they believe as much as you do.

As to your consipiracy theories:

* The only reason Bush called for the liberation of Iraq was because Saddam threatened to kill his father.--Not just threatened, but had an assasination plan. His father didn't stay long enough to successful get Saddam the first time, so he had to do it this time to make sure that he did get them. I don't blame him, nor do I mind that he would want to finish what his father didn't. It's just the fact he didn't have a plan for the aftermath of removing Saddam. That's where the mess is now, because our men and women are getting killed, and there are more insurgants coming out every day.

* Bush is stupid and is being led around by his advisers like a puppet.--You have to admit, he isn't the best speaker in the world. He's not stupid though, it's like Dan Quayle who everyone thought was dumb, then behind the scenes he was working on loosening environmental regulations for some businesses. It's called sly like a fox. I do think, though that his is not capable at the job of president for numerous reasons, including his alienating our allies to go to war with Iraq, for misleading the country on the intelligence, because he actually had info saying the intelligence on Niger was incorrect, and the way his administration says all people who don't support the war are Un-American.

* Bush is friends with the Saudi's. Saudi's orchestrated 9-11. Bush still friends with the Saudi's.---Bush *is* friendly with the Saudi royal family. The Bush family is close with them. The Saudi's need to do more work to help catch the people who did this to our country.

* Bush stole the 2000 Presidential election---How many people were turned away in Florida? How about the people who were told they had felonies that prevented them from voting? Well, he didn't win by much, seems just the right amount. Who is Governor there? Was the secretary of state in Florida the head of Bush's campaign in Florida? Oh, and the supreme court? Why didn't they just allow the recount to go on?

* Bush gets richer the higher the price for oil gets... which is a sub-reason for the war against Iraq.--Yep, he and his family..as well as friends, you forget he was the head of an oil company, right?

* Bush did the tax cuts to financially help his good friends.--No, I don't think so. He did however do it to help the rich.

* Osama has been captured for months now, but the Bush Administration plans on waiting until a week prior to the election to tell us.--Heh, couldn't put it past him!!

* Bush was AWOL from the reserves, so shut up about Kerry's war record.--So where is his record that proves he wasn't AWOL? He has a gap in his records, according to what has been released. His commanders didn't recall seeing him there, among other things..like he was working on a politcal campaign and got time off, and I don't really think he has the right to say he was serving his country doing that while people like Kerry were *volunteering* to go to Vietnam. Kerry was a rich kid too, he didn't need to volunteer, but he did. That he protested the war when he came back, doesn't negate his medals, or his service. It just means he wasn't afraid to say what he thought when he thought it was wrong. His record there has been corrorborated by his crewmates, a number of them Republicans..meanwhile Bush's attorney, and his biggest donor in Texas are funding the Swift Boat Veterans..Kerry has every right to talk about his service, while Bush..just show your records, and everyone will stop asking!

Oh and CT, don't vote for Bush. I'll get you plenty of info on him that may sway you.:)

-A

[Edited on 8-30-2004 by Ilvane]

[Parkbandit]

When Kefka actually tries and PROVE the stupid consiracy theories I posted.. he loses all credibility in this debate.

Thanks for playing, here's your consolation prize:

edited to add - Please share your award with Ilvane because she's just as deserving.

[Edited on 8-30-2004 by Parkbandit]

[CrystalTears]

Heh, don't think you can change my mind. I just don't trust Kerry, more than not trusting Bush, and as naive as that may sound, that's what I go on.

{quote} Why didn't they just allow the recount to go on?{/quote}


Because It was against the law? *gasp* omg

Heres one for you, how many service members were denied the right to exercise the right they fight for because someone deliberately tried to discount their votes..oh wait...that was Gore. My bad.

{quote}Yep, he and his family..as well as friends, you forget he was the head of an oil company, right
{/quote}

Emphasis on the word "was"

{quote}So where is his record that proves he wasn't AWOL? He has a gap in his records,
{/quote}

Wheres the records that state he was Awol, burden of proof and all that. That honorable discharge is good enough for me.

[Ilvane]

You could try reading it, maybe you might learn something.

Who's the dumbass?

Oh, and Clinton? He came from being a poor kid, became a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, was Governor of Arkansas, and was very active politically.

I'd say he was qualified.;)

-A

fuck

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Ilvane
You could try reading it, maybe you might learn something.

Who's the dumbass?

Oh, and Clinton? He came from being a poor kid, became a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, was Governor of Arkansas, and was very active politically.

I'd say he was qualified.;)

-A

Ah.. so graduating from a good college and being governor of a state makes you qualified.

Wow, sounds eerily like Bush.

You could try reading it, maybe you might learn something.

I did and that's a big fat negatory. P.s. Still waiting for the "rest" of your post on the officials about how Kerry doesn't have a record for voting for higher taxes.

[Kefka]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
When Kefka actually tries and PROVE the stupid consiracy theories I posted.. he loses all credibility in this debate.

Thanks for playing, here's your consolation prize:

edited to add - Please share your award with Ilvane because she's just as deserving.

[Edited on 8-30-2004 by Parkbandit]

Yep. Because everything wrong with Bush is a conspiracy theory to you. Of course, you have absolutely no info to prove otherwise, but that's ok. Scores of documents and articles proving the opposite holds no water over your claim of the mighty conspiracy theory. Thanks for playing.

[Ilvane]

At least Kerry isn't afraid to speak against something he doesn't believe in.

Oh, and Ranger, don't you find it odd that they just can't find that part of his record? How come?

He got an honorable discharge because his father took care of that for him. That was corroborated by one of the commanders there at the time. They disregarded a lot of things little Bush did.

On the oil company thing..if you leave a company and are invested in it, as well as your company..Doesn't that say something?

Cheney is still getting money from Haliburton, too. Look into it.

Trusting Bush more than Kerry to me is a scary thing. We can't trust he isn't going to take away the right to choose, or start forcing prayer on kids in school(heard about his "Faith Based Programs" ?), or slowly eroding our rights of free speech in the so called "Patriot Act".

-A

Ah.. so graduating from a good college and being governor of a state makes you qualified.

Wow, sounds eerily like Bush.


Point, PB.

[CrystalTears]

I think she meant me about reading it and learning something when I said that it won't change my mind. Oh I'll read it, I'm just saying I don't think I'll change my mind is all.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Dear Skirmisher-

Please post your qualifications that would lead you to believe you would win a debate against the President of the United States.


Thanks.
Dear PB,

Knowing how to spell and make sense when one is speaking is a damn good qualification to me.

[Ilvane]

Graduating with C's and being a Rhode Scholar is a bit different, PB, as if you didn't know that.

I love how people bring up Clinton to try and call attention away from the questions on Bush. Bush is president, and he's doing a horrid job. I'm not going to vote for him, for many good reasons..you have your reasons.

-A

Oh, and Ranger, don't you find it odd that they just can't find that part of his record?

No. They lost my father's medical and service records and he spent 20 years in court trying to get his disability payments.

He had to proof that the sword wound in his chest and the multiple gun wounds was a result of service in vietnam, as well as the post traumatic stress disorder. I find it highly believable that he lost the records of some national guard officer.



Cheney is still getting money from Haliburton, too. Look into it.

How about you post some proof. I don't feel like going through the financial records of halliburton.


Trusting Bush more than Kerry to me is a scary thing

I don't trust either one.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Kefka

Originally posted by Parkbandit
When Kefka actually tries and PROVE the stupid consiracy theories I posted.. he loses all credibility in this debate.

Thanks for playing, here's your consolation prize:

edited to add - Please share your award with Ilvane because she's just as deserving.

[Edited on 8-30-2004 by Parkbandit]

Yep. Because everything wrong with Bush is a conspiracy theory to you. Of course, you have absolutely no info to prove otherwise, but that's ok. Scores of documents and articles proving the opposite holds no water over your claim of the mighty conspiracy theory. Thanks for playing.

This would be an incorrect statement. I believe I've repeatedly said my issues with the current administration.. they are numerous.

But your claims that you have 'proof' over the conspiracy theories is a sack of bullshit... plain and simple. If there was actual PROOF, then they wouldn't be considered conspiracy theories.

I'm interested in the facts of this election.. not the baseless bullshit you provide.

Thanks for playing.

[CrystalTears]

I didn't say I trust either of them, I just trust Bush more, if that makes sense. Personally I don't really like either but I'm choosing Bush because, aside from a few mishaps here and there, I think he's done a pretty decent job. Kerry, on the other hand, I just don't trust at all, and I can't in good conscious vote for someone I don't like at all.

[Ilvane]

On Haliburton:

From the Washington Post:
US: Cheney Continues to Have Financial Ties to Halliburton

by Mike Allen, Washington Post
September 26th, 2003

A Congressional Research Service report released yesterday concluded that federal ethics laws treat Vice President Cheney's annual deferred compensation checks and unexercised stock options as continuing financial interests in the Halliburton Co.

Democrats have aggressively challenged Cheney's claim that he has no financial ties to Halliburton, despite those arrangements.

The Houston-based energy conglomerate has been awarded more than $ 2 billion in contracts for rebuilding Iraq, including one worth $ 1.22 billion that was awarded on a noncompetitive basis.

The report, from the law division of the congressional research arm of the Library of Congress, said deferred salary or compensation received from a private corporation -- as well as unexercised stock options -- may represent a continuing financial interest as defined by federal ethics laws.

The seven-page report, dated Monday, did not name Cheney or Halliburton, but addressed the general legal question. It was prepared at the request of Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), who said Cheney should "stop dodging the issue with legalese, and acknowledge his continued financial ties with Halliburton to the American people."

Cheney, who was Halliburton's chairman and chief executive, has disclosed the payments and the 433,333 options. The report suggests no illegality.

Catherine Martin, Cheney's public affairs director, said: "The vice president has no financial interest in Halliburton. He has no stake in the company. He will in no way benefit from the rise or fall of Halliburton's stock price or the success or failure of the company."

Cheney said on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sept. 14 that he has "no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven't had now for over three years." His assertion came during a discussion of Halliburton's contracts in Iraq. Cheney said he had "severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interests."

Democrats disputed that because Cheney received deferred compensation of $ 147,579 in 2001 and $ 162,392 in 2002, with payments scheduled to continue for three more years.

In response, Cheney's office said he had purchased an insurance policy so he would be paid even if Halliburton failed. And his office also has announced he has agreed to donate the after-tax proceeds from his stock options to three charities.

However, the congressional report said that neither the insurance policy nor the charity designation would change the public official's disclosure obligation.

The continuing controversy over Cheney's statement puts him in the position of drawing criticism to the White House. In the past, White House officials have considered him a reassuring figure for viewers and voters.

Bush issued what amounted to a correction of another statement Cheney made on "Meet the Press." When asked about the possibility of a connection between former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein and the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Cheney said, "We don't know." Three days later, Bush said in response to a question that the government has no evidence of such a link.

There you go.:)

-A

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
This would be an incorrect statement. I believe I've repeatedly said my issues with the current administration.. they are numerous.


Would you mind listing them? I'm curious.

I asked Tamral a few days ago to post what he thinks is wrong with the current administration other then the religious aspect of it.

He ignored the second part of my request and replied with more religious issues.

The report suggests no illegality.


Democrats disputed that because Cheney received deferred compensation of $ 147,579 in 2001 and $ 162,392 in 2002, with payments scheduled to continue for three more years.


Sounds like payment for services rendered to me.



I asked Tamral

Well there's your problem.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Wezas

Originally posted by Wezas
So what would you say the faults of the republican party are, Tamral - Religious issues aside?


Originally posted by GSTamral
The republicans have the zealot religious right, who I find to be equally ignorant and invalid in terms of ability to make intelligent and reasonable decisions.


So the republican party has no faults other then the religious right?


With no reply.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Wezas

Originally posted by Parkbandit
This would be an incorrect statement. I believe I've repeatedly said my issues with the current administration.. they are numerous.


Would you mind listing them? I'm curious.

I asked Tamral a few days ago to post what he thinks is wrong with the current administration other then the religious aspect of it.

He ignored the second part of my request and replied with more religious issues.

Since I am an athiest, most of his religious type initiatives go against my beliefs (or actually... non beliefs)

I'm Pro-choice
I don't find a problem with stem cell research.. nor care about restricting it.
I don't agree with most of his liberal spending and initiatives

There are others I am sure, but there's a pretty solid start.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
I am ... a ... liberal

Gotcha.

The quoted line may or may not have been taken out of context

[Kefka]

<<I'm interested in the facts of this election.. not the baseless bullshit you provide.>>

Funny. In another thread, you was drinking up that Swiftboat garbage like it was gospel. Of course, there's no actual proof nor documentation behind it. But who cares? It's pro-Bushit.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Kefka
It's pro-Bushit.

That's the funniest thing I've heard today. :lol:

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Wezas

Originally posted by Parkbandit
I am ... a ... liberal

Gotcha.

The quoted line may or may not have been taken out of context

Bastard!

Actually, I'm rather moderate in most of my views. Economically, I'm closer to conservative though.

But a Liberal? Naw. That's not me.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Kefka
<<I'm interested in the facts of this election.. not the baseless bullshit you provide.>>

Funny. In another thread, you was drinking up that Swiftboat garbage like it was gospel. Of course, there's no actual proof nor documentation behind it. But who cares? It's pro-Bushit.

Like Gospel? Nope.. I'm far from gospel anything. But I won't simply dismiss it because Kerry said it wasn't true. There are enough people in this organization to make you at least ask the truth about it. And it's not like Kerry has been very truthful about the events of his 4 months there either...

My gut is that the truth remains somewhere in the middle of the two stories.. like it usually is.

With no reply.

Its Tamral. He'll spout off and cite useless statistics, but when you call him on it he'll just stop responding and come back in a month or so to do it all over again.

[Back]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Backlash
On Larry King Bush said if we hadn’t gone into Iraq, Saddam would have defied the world again, as if he had some magic mirror that could see into the future. Ironically, it was Bush who defied the world by going into Iraq. And he did it with false information while misleading the public/world about the real reasons we went there.

Afganistan should have been our focus this whole time.

Bush cannot declare war, it takes an act of congress to do it.

Also, please take a look at the last UN resolutions pertaining to Iraq.

Thanks.

I know its hard to accept, PB, but America, all of us by proxy, Bush's administration directly, fucked up big time. Iraq was a mistake. Its hard to admit mistakes, but the bigger man can and will.

Afganistan should have been our focus this whole time. Now we are stuck in TWO protracted wars that are sucking away tax dollars that could go to improving things here at home, not to mention the terrible loss of life over a mistake that no one is accountable for.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Ilvane
Protests are a great way to express your free speech, and they are not anti-American, or like Bin Laden if they want to call attention to that.Protesting is one thing. Causing harm to others in order to gain attention for a cause is the DEFINITION of terrorism, and is therefore quite another.
Oh, and Clinton? He came from being a poor kid, became a Rhodes Scholar at OxfordPlease please PLEASE do some research on what Clinton dodged (hint) while he was being a Rhodes Scholar if you're ever going to mention Bush's service record.
At least Kerry isn't afraid to speak against something he doesn't believe in.:O

Bush was going to LEGISLATE against something he didn't believe in. Was he wrong? Sure! But you can't say he's afraid to speak.

CT: did you see Kerry on the Daily Show? He seemed a lot better than convential wisdom dictates.

[Kefka]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Kefka
<<I'm interested in the facts of this election.. not the baseless bullshit you provide.>>

Funny. In another thread, you was drinking up that Swiftboat garbage like it was gospel. Of course, there's no actual proof nor documentation behind it. But who cares? It's pro-Bushit.

Like Gospel? Nope.. I'm far from gospel anything. But I won't simply dismiss it because Kerry said it wasn't true. There are enough people in this organization to make you at least ask the truth about it. And it's not like Kerry has been very truthful about the events of his 4 months there either...

My gut is that the truth remains somewhere in the middle of the two stories.. like it usually is.

Ah. Conspiracy theories. Hypocrisy? Hearsay isn't fact.

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by RangerD1
P.s. Still waiting for the "rest" of your post on the officials about how Kerry doesn't have a record for voting for higher taxes.

How's this?

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=159

Raven

[DeV]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Oh, and Clinton? He came from being a poor kid, became a Rhodes Scholar at OxfordPlease please PLEASE do some research on what Clinton dodged (hint) while he was being a Rhodes Scholar if you're ever going to mention Bush's service record. [/quote]Doesn't Clinton admit this himself?

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Kefka
Ah. Conspiracy theories. Hypocrisy? Hearsay isn't fact.

Since both accounts would be considered Hearsay.. do we simply forget all about it? If 4 people stand up and say Kerry's record is right.. and 10 people stand up and say Kerry's record is incorrect.. do we simply go with the 4 or do we listen to both sides of the story?

It's not a conspiracy theory.. because to be honest Kerry's service record of 30 years ago means squat about the type of President he will be. We can simply look at what he has done in Congress to see what kind of President he will be.

Sorry, I simply don't want that type of President. I already spend enough in taxes to feed the lazy.

[CrystalTears]

Damn I missed Kerry on the Daily Show. I knew I was missing something.

[Kefka]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Kefka
Ah. Conspiracy theories. Hypocrisy? Hearsay isn't fact.

Since both accounts would be considered Hearsay.. do we simply forget all about it? If 4 people stand up and say Kerry's record is right.. and 10 people stand up and say Kerry's record is incorrect.. do we simply go with the 4 or do we listen to both sides of the story?

It's not a conspiracy theory.. because to be honest Kerry's service record of 30 years ago means squat about the type of President he will be. We can simply look at what he has done in Congress to see what kind of President he will be.

Sorry, I simply don't want that type of President. I already spend enough in taxes to feed the lazy.

But 51 million people saying the election was stolen is a conspiracy theory?

[xShadowMerchantx]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Backlash
On Larry King Bush said if we hadn’t gone into Iraq, Saddam would have defied the world again, as if he had some magic mirror that could see into the future. Ironically, it was Bush who defied the world by going into Iraq. And he did it with false information while misleading the public/world about the real reasons we went there.

Afganistan should have been our focus this whole time.

Bush cannot declare war, it takes an act of congress to do it.

Also, please take a look at the last UN resolutions pertaining to Iraq.

Thanks.

Bush CAN declare war if he so chooses without approval from congress.

He can declare war for a total of 80 or is it 90 days.

[Back]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I don't hate Bush. I don't love him but I am voting for him. I don't trust Kerry at all, so I'm sticking with the lesser of the two evils.

OMG and if I hear one more time how he was the sole reason we went to war in Iraq and lied to us about WMD to go there, not only am I going to vote for him, I'm going to wear a "I love Bush" (heh) t-shirt until the election.

[Edited on 8/30/2004 by CrystalTears]

So, just out of curiosity, why do you think we invaded Iraq and how is it justified?

[kheldarin]

Back to point A. Please don't do that.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
Doesn't Clinton admit this himself? I want to preface this by saying I liked Clinton and still respect Clinton's presidential ability.

Now, the one time I've seen Clinton talk about the war was on the Daily Show, where he lumped himself, Vice President Cheney, and President Bush in the same category of "guys who didn't go to Vietnam". The difference is, Cheney and Bush both had legal reasons for not going to Vietnam, regardless of how they got them. Cheney had those academic deferments (or whatever going to college counted as) and Bush joined the National Guard. Ok. Whether or not they were morally justified, they were legally justified for not going to Vietnam.

Clinton, being the slippery guy he is, juked his way out of the draft by lying during his interview with the ROTC. The information he lied about would have prevented him from joining the ROTC, and because of his sucky lottery number, he would almost certainly have been drafted. When President Nixon passed some legislature that gave Clinton an out (I'm a little fuzzy on the details, I know) Clinton withdrew his application to the ROTC and traipsed back to England, where he continued (or maybe started, again a little fuzzy) his Rhodes stuff. Thus, Clinton was neither morally nor legally justified in not going to Vietnam, which he doesn't tend to admit. Even if he did, coming down on Bush compared to Clinton is a dreadfully irresponsible thing to do without making note of very relevant facts.

But that's one of the reasons I respect Clinton. You gotta respect excellence, even if it's excellence in grifting.

[Chelle]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Heh, don't think you can change my mind. I just don't trust Kerry, more than not trusting Bush, and as naive as that may sound, that's what I go on.

Main reason people don't trust him is because he changes his stance on things so often. We don't know what he is for, or what he is against. Personally, I don't want someone that mentally unstable to be President. If any one is a puppet it's Kerry because he is just trying to say what people WANT to hear, instead of being honest.

Originally posted by Ravenstorm

Originally posted by RangerD1
P.s. Still waiting for the "rest" of your post on the officials about how Kerry doesn't have a record for voting for higher taxes.

How's this?

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=159

Raven

That site simply debunks the "350" number, and not the track record for voting. Any joe with half a wit could have told you that the number 350 was most likely padded and used every miniscule excuse to make itself look higher.

[Ilvane]

Bush flip flops all the time..just look at his record.

-A

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Kefka
But 51 million people saying the election was stolen is a conspiracy theory?

Yes.. and that 51 million people are ignorant on how this country's election process works.

Conspiracy theories are fun.. really. I especially like the ones surrounding Area 51. Those are my favorite.

[Chelle]

Originally posted by Backlash

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I don't hate Bush. I don't love him but I am voting for him. I don't trust Kerry at all, so I'm sticking with the lesser of the two evils.

OMG and if I hear one more time how he was the sole reason we went to war in Iraq and lied to us about WMD to go there, not only am I going to vote for him, I'm going to wear a "I love Bush" (heh) t-shirt until the election.

[Edited on 8/30/2004 by CrystalTears]

So, just out of curiosity, why do you think we invaded Iraq and how is it justified?



We invaded Iraq because CIA intelligence TOLD the President that there were WMD there. By the way, TO ME, Saddam himself counts as a WMD. So therefore we got what we came for. Also, we are still there to HELP Iraq get back on its feet. All in all, what we did was a good thing. I am proud of the President for sticking with it, despite what Hollywood and it's blind followers say.

But 51 million people saying the election was stolen is a conspiracy theory?

Where the fuck are you pulling this number from?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

No shit... 51 million people? WTF?

[Back]

Thats the close to the number of popular votes Gore/Lienerman recieved to Bush/Cheney.

The actual numbers are 50,996,582 to 50,456,062.

Source (http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/2000/popular_vote.html)

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=159

I also just noticed that this article uses other news articles as its "sources"

Thats the close to the number of popular votes Gore/Lienerman recieved to Bush/Cheney.

The actual numbers are 50,996,582 to 50,456,062.

Thats the number of people who voted. Not the number of people who think the election was stolen. Big difference.

[CrystalTears]

Bush wasn't the only president who was told that there were WMD in Iraq. Saddam was asked to bring forth such WMD, prove that they do or don't exist or suffer the consequences of getting invaded. Guess what, he didn't comply. It's not like this came out of nowhere. It also had the backup of several other countries who also believed he had WMD (believed, not KNEW, so yeah, everyone was "lied" to). Bush was just the president with the cajones to go through with it and suffer the consequences later. Saddam was a very bad leader and needed to be taken out.

By the way, I'm not political by any means so I really don't know what compelled me to say something in here. I go on what I see, read and hear on a general scale. If I'm wrong in what I state, then I'll admit I'm wrong so please don't ask me to go on a tangent about this stuff cause I'll screw it up. ;)

[Edited on 8/30/2004 by CrystalTears]

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Backlash
Thats the close to the number of popular votes Gore/Lienerman recieved to Bush/Cheney.

The actual numbers are 50,996,582 to 50,456,062.

Source (http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/2000/popular_vote.html)

:lol::lol:

I know many many people that were foolish enough to vote for Gore that don't believe that Bush "stole" the election.

I'm thinking the number of stupid ignorant fools in America < 51 million

[Back]

Thats not my contention. Just suggesting where Kefka might have got the 51 million number.

noted

[Chelle]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Backlash
Thats the close to the number of popular votes Gore/Lienerman recieved to Bush/Cheney.

The actual numbers are 50,996,582 to 50,456,062.

Source (http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/2000/popular_vote.html)

:lol::lol:

I know many many people that were foolish enough to vote for Gore that don't believe that Bush "stole" the election.

I'm thinking the number of stupid ignorant fools in America < 51 million

Yep, count me as one of the foolish to voted for Gore.

Do I feel the election was stolen from him? No I do not.

Now that Bush has been President I am glad he won, because IMO Gore wouldn't have had the nads to invade Iraq or even capture Saddam.

Also I like the skits Leno and SNL does on Bush. Oh like that guy on Leno who is made up to look like Bush. Thats some funny shit! I like it when they have "Martha" on there too. Anyhow, Kerry is just to damn boring and has no personality. No thats not why I am for Bush. hehe. I feel safer with Bush.

In kerry's defense his wife owns Heinz Ketchup which is the uberness of condiments.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
Doesn't Clinton admit this himself? Now, the one time I've seen Clinton talk about the war was on the Daily Show, where he lumped himself, Vice President Cheney, and President Bush in the same category of "guys who didn't go to Vietnam". Ok, thats what I figured.

[Wezas]

"VA hospitals may be target, advisory warns"

Eeeek!

"But FBI, Homeland Security sees no specific terror threat"

WTF?

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/08/27/va.security/index.html

[Artha]

"But FBI, Homeland Security sees no specific terror threat"

To me, that just says they don't know which hospitals.

[Kefka]

I think it's safe to assume that the majority of democrats that voted for Gore believed the election to have been stolen. If that stance has changed after 3 and a half years, that's nice, but liking someone better doesn't change that fact. Yes that number's an estimate of democrats who voted, but it doesn't include those who either didn't vote nor those who's been disenfranchised.

I already offered a link showing where voters have been disenfranchised in Florida. Apparently you're ignoring it since you're still on this conspiracy theory thing. Simply the reason why I haven't bothered to show more proof. What's the point? You'll simply cover your ears, screaming conspiracy theory again.

[Wezas]

Legal or not, if they (meaning everybody involved) would have let the recounts happen - there would be no doubt whatsoever.

Would we have been better off with Gore in office? Who knows. People can't say for a fact that we would - because they don't know what he might have done with the same bad information that Bush received.

[Artha]

I think it's safe to assume that the majority of democrats that voted for Gore believed the election to have been stolen.

It's sad that the majority of democrats don't know how the system works, then.

I think it's safe to assume that the majority of democrats that voted for Gore believed the election to have been stolen.

Because you think so? Hardly, I know far more people who don't think it was stolen then those who do. Why? Because they are capable of reasoning that there are 49 OTHER states besides florida. Not to mention the illegality of the recounts and the way gore himself tried to cook the books.

Get over it.

[Kefka]

Unfortunately, the outcome of the election wasn't decided from those 49 other states. And recounts are very legal.

[Artha]

Fortunately, the electoral college is what elects a president, not the popular vote. Boohoohoo.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Kefka
Unfortunately, the outcome of the election wasn't decided from those 49 other states.Logically, any state with electoral votes equal to or greater than Florida's could also decide the election. But why use logic?

[DeV]

Just blame the electoral college and lets move on.

Ugh, yes those 49 other states had NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on the election. Way to demonstrate your idiocy.

Furthermore, I didn't say recounts are illegial, I said THOSE recounts were.

GO READ the decision and then talk to me.

[Kefka]

Way to twist my words around. If you're not republican, you should be. I said the outcome of the election wasn't decided by any of those other states. It's Florida we're disputing. Stay on course, please. The other states were already decided. The robbery took place in Jeb Bush's state.

You're fucking stupid. Reread what I said initially and see who is driving things off course. The election included all 50 states. IF gore had won more states than florida would have been a moot pint. Additionally, you have yet to explain how every single person who voted for gore believes the election was stolen nor how it was justifiable for gore to cook the books in his favor, or say anything about the illegially of the recounts in florida. In case you forgot, the supreme court is the one who made the final determination, which isn't ruled by Jeb bush

[Artha]

The robbery took place in Jeb Bush's state.

Ok, please start knowing what you're talking about. The electoral college elected Bush, not the popular votes. The recounts were pointless.

[Kefka]

Originally posted by Artha

The robbery took place in Jeb Bush's state.

Ok, please start knowing what you're talking about. The electoral college elected Bush, not the popular votes. The recounts were pointless.

:lol: Wow.

Whichever party slate wins the most popular votes in the State becomes that State's Electors-so that, in effect, whichever presidential ticket gets the most popular votes in a State wins all the Electors of that State. [The two exceptions to this are Maine and Nebraska where two Electors are chosen by statewide popular vote and the remainder by the popular vote within each Congressional district].

Sorry but this shit is wiznack (see wack.)

I'm voting for Nader, huttah.

[Kefka]

Originally posted by RangerD1
You're fucking stupid. Reread what I said initially and see who is driving things off course. The election included all 50 states. IF gore had won more states than florida would have been a moot pint. Additionally, you have yet to explain how every single person who voted for gore believes the election was stolen nor how it was justifiable for gore to cook the books in his favor, or say anything about the illegially of the recounts in florida. In case you forgot, the supreme court is the one who made the final determination, which isn't ruled by Jeb bush

As stated in a previous post, it was an estimation based on assumption.


http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/06/08/florida.vote/

So exactly how is this not stealing an election? By the way, do you have a link or anything stating that Gore tried to cook the books?

Whichever party slate wins the most popular votes in the State becomes that State's Electors-so that, in effect, whichever presidential ticket gets the most popular votes in a State wins all the Electors of that State. [The two exceptions to this are Maine and Nebraska where two Electors are chosen by statewide popular vote and the remainder by the popular vote within each Congressional district].

The electorial college can vote whichever way it chooses, regardless of popular vote. It has been done in the past.


By the way, do you have a link or anything stating that Gore tried to cook the books?

Yes, this memo sent out by Mark L. Herron a lawyer for the democratic party outlying how to reject military ballots (A decidedly conservative voting base)

http://bailiwick.lib.uiowa.edu/politically-speaking/tidbits/drudge01.htm

(I know it's the drudge report but with the election it's hard to find shit from 2000)

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Kefka
I think it's safe to assume that the majority of democrats that voted for Gore believed the election to have been stolen.


Please don't assume for the other 51 million Democrats.. because assuming that would simply make you a dumbass. If you don't understand how the election process works in the United States.. just say so and I can direct you to the correct websites to help you out.

And even with the recount, Bush still won Florida. So once again, how did he "Steal" the election?

[CrystalTears]

Gore invented the internet. He can steal anything he wants. :D

[Kefka]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Kefka
I think it's safe to assume that the majority of democrats that voted for Gore believed the election to have been stolen.


Please don't assume for the other 51 million Democrats.. because assuming that would simply make you a dumbass. If you don't understand how the election process works in the United States.. just say so and I can direct you to the correct websites to help you out.

And even with the recount, Bush still won Florida. So once again, how did he "Steal" the election?

http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/06/08/florida.vote/

That's how. Posted a third time. If you disenfranchise people, they're not counted in the results. Considering all the assumptions you've made in many of the political threads, I can see why you have so many dumbshit awards to give away.

GORE DID THE SAME THING JACKASS

[Kefka]

Originally posted by RangerD1
GORE DID THE SAME THING JACKASS

Proof? And please no more Sludge articles. When people post that, I feel as embarassed for them as I do when watching Bush give a speech. :(

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
I'm voting for Nader, huttah. OMFG PARTYLINER!!

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by RangerD1
That site simply debunks the "350" number, and not the track record for voting. Any joe with half a wit could have told you that the number 350 was most likely padded and used every miniscule excuse to make itself look higher.

What nice timing. At least Bush isn't lying quite as badly this time.

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=247

Raven

Originally posted by Kefka

Originally posted by RangerD1
GORE DID THE SAME THING JACKASS

Proof? And please no more Sludge articles. When people post that, I feel as embarassed for them as I do when watching Bush give a speech. :(


Jackass, it wasn't a Sludge article it was a hosting of the actual memo.

[Back]

When someone gets close to half a million more popular votes than the other guy, you have to wonder, WTF? Come on guys, seriously. This electorial college thing needs an overhaul. How could it be so off from the popular vote?

I’ve no idea what happened, or how it happened, but it did and at least for me it makes me wonder. Jeb Bush is Governor so that right there looks fishy. Guilty by association? Sure. But too close to cooincidental to ignore.

Also consider most of the current Supreme Court Judges were appointed during the Regan/Bush years. 5 of 8, with one appointed by Ford, and 2 by Clinton.

There may not be 51 million people raising some eyebrows, but there some who make certain not-so-far-fetched conclusions even though people try to call them fools.

And what do any number of people do when this sort of thing occurs? Protesting is always an option... if you like rubber bullets in your face.

General Norman Schwarzkopf's Statement
Monday, Nov. 20, 2000
Statement by retired General Norman Schwarzkopf regarding the denied overseas absentee ballots:
It is a very sad day in our country when the men and women of the armed forces are serving abroad and facing danger on a daily basis in places like Bosnia, Kosovo or on ships like the USS George Washington, yet because of some technicality out of their control they are denied the right to vote for the President of the United States, who will be their commander in chief.

These men and women do not have the luxury of getting in their cars and going to the post office to mail their ballots. They must depend upon a system that takes their ballot directly from their front-line positions on a circuitous route to the ballot box.

At the same time, because of other perceptions of irregularity other ballots that have already been counted twice and are now being counted a third time. For the sake of fairness alone these armed forces ballots should be allowed to be tallied

[Kefka]

Originally posted by RangerD1

Originally posted by Kefka

Originally posted by RangerD1
GORE DID THE SAME THING JACKASS

Proof? And please no more Sludge articles. When people post that, I feel as embarassed for them as I do when watching Bush give a speech. :(


Jackass, it wasn't a Sludge article it was a hosting of the actual memo.

:lol:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040709-121020-3190r.htm

Pertinent part:

All sides agree that the military vote, including absentee ballots from active-duty warriors abroad, made the difference ? even though Democrats succeeded in having thousands of those ballots declared invalid because the military had failed to postmark the envelopes containing the ballots.
Duval County has the greatest concentration of military families of Florida's 67 counties. In Duval alone, 618 ballots came from overseas absentee voters in 2000.
Of the 469 overseas ballots declared valid, more than twice as many went to Mr. Bush than went to Al Gore. No record was made, however, of how many of the overseas absentee total were military ballots.

:lol:

Ditto. But I guess the Washington Times isn't a reliable source?

[Back]

Originally posted by Ravenstorm
What nice timing. At least Bush isn't lying quite as badly this time.

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=247

Raven

Heh. My favorite paragraph.


Originally posted on FactCheck.org (http:..www.factcheck.org)...
The ad also strives to blame Kerry for raising taxes on the "middle class" and says "There's what Kerry says and then there's what Kerry does." But a close look shows the votes cited in this ad are in fact fairly consistent with Kerry's promise only to raise taxes on those making over $200,000 a year.

GOP Convention Speakers Hammer on Kerry (http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?flok=FF-APO-1131&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040830%2F1907123482.htm&sc=1131&floc=NW_1-T) on their first night! Man... the GOP are some angry fucks who seem willing to say and/or do anything to get their way. Pathetic.

[Edited on 8-31-2004 by Backlash]

[Wezas]

I tuned into the beginning of the convention for a few minutes and I saw broadway singers.

I tuned it immediately to CBS to watch some sitcoms.

[Kefka]

Originally posted by RangerD1

:lol:

Ditto. But I guess the Washington Times isn't a reliable source?

I almost thought it was until I noticed this huge "Vote Bush/Cheney" Banner dead center in the middle of the screen. Decided to check up on it.

You must be confusing the Washington Times with the Washington Post. The Times is not only right-wing, it's owned by Rev. Sun Myung Moon.

Whatever you say ;) That invalidates the existence of that memo, in what what?

http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/20/military.ballots/


http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/20/broward.recount/index.html

Do I have to go on, before you'll even address the issue?

[Back]

Originally posted by RangerD1
http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/20/military.ballots/


http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/20/broward.recount/index.html

Do I have to go on, before you'll even address the issue?

Good links. Especially the second in this case because there is a whole slew of links listed after the article.

What was your point again?

[The Eternal Klaive]

I LOVE BUSH, EVERYONE VOTE FOR HIM.

REMEMBER, A VOTE FOR BUSH IS A VOTE FOR KLAIVE!

What was your point again?


That both candidates were involved in shady dealings to garner an increase in their vote tallies. Therefore, it is ridiculous to get up in arms because someone beat someone else at the same game.

[Kefka]

Originally posted by RangerD1

What was your point again?


That both candidates were involved in shady dealings to garner an increase in their vote tallies. Therefore, it is ridiculous to get up in arms because someone beat someone else at the same game.

Interesting article. Especially the last paragraph:

Ironically, it may have been the Republican secretary of state, Katherine Harris, the co-chairwoman of Bush's Florida campaign, who advised county election boards that state law requires the overseas ballots to have a postmark.

Yea, I noticed that too. However, it changes nothing.

[Kefka]

All in all, nothing factual in either article. Just more republicans blaming democrats.

Uh, the memo was a fact. The second article specifcally states how many ballots were thrown out. I think you've just proven how far your bias goes.

[Back]

Those links reminded me of Ari Fleischer. I was curious why he quit and I find this...

"I want to do something more relaxing — like dismantle live nuclear weapons," he quipped. (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/19/politics/main554484.shtml)

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Backlash
When someone gets close to half a million more popular votes than the other guy, you have to wonder, WTF? Come on guys, seriously. This electorial college thing needs an overhaul. How could it be so off from the popular vote?

Holy shit! Someone mark this date.. I actually agree with Backlash on a political issue.

The rest of your post is a nothing more than you say that nothing is ever a coincidence.. which is wrong.. but the first part is right in line of what I believe as well.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Kefka

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Kefka
I think it's safe to assume that the majority of democrats that voted for Gore believed the election to have been stolen.


Please don't assume for the other 51 million Democrats.. because assuming that would simply make you a dumbass. If you don't understand how the election process works in the United States.. just say so and I can direct you to the correct websites to help you out.

And even with the recount, Bush still won Florida. So once again, how did he "Steal" the election?

http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/06/08/florida.vote/

That's how. Posted a third time. If you disenfranchise people, they're not counted in the results. Considering all the assumptions you've made in many of the political threads, I can see why you have so many dumbshit awards to give away.

Dear Dumbass.

Just because 51 million people voted for Gore does NOT equal 51 million people that are ignorant on how the election process works. Bush didn't steal anything you dumb simpleton. He won the election period.

Please.. move on to conspiracy number 2 because you've simply made no points on this one. Thanks.

[Kefka]

Originally posted by RangerD1
Uh, the memo was a fact. The second article specifcally states how many ballots were thrown out. I think you've just proven how far your bias goes.

The Schwarzkopf Statement? I've also seen a memo from Colin Powell claiming wmd's in Iraq. Also seen other memos from a few ranking officers in Vietnam claiming that there was no enemy fire when Kerry rescued Rassman. Do rank turn one's words into facts? You forgot to post where you got this statement.

How in any way do either of these articles point directly to Gore? Harris made the rules. Blame her if you must. It benefits Gore? Harris made the rules. Those votes had to be postmarked by a certain date. Should we run the risk of people voting after the election's been decided?

Uh, no the memo in the original post on this particular topic. You know the one from the democratic lawyer explicitly stating how to reject military ballots.

[Kefka]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Waa waa waa

Honestly, I thought you was gonna add something really inciteful to this debate. You're still on this 51 million people thing?

[Kefka]

Originally posted by RangerD1
Uh, no the memo in the original post on this particular topic. You know the one from the democratic lawyer explicitly stating how to reject military ballots.

Here's a secret. Lawyers lie for a living.

uh, so?

[Kefka]

Originally posted by RangerD1
uh, so?

:rolleyes: Considering said person is a political lawyer and considering the source of said article, it's not worth my time to debate over this. It's like debating something said in the National Enquirer.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Kefka

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Waa waa waa

Honestly, I thought you was gonna add something really inciteful to this debate. You're still on this 51 million people thing?

I'm still on proving your stupidity.. it's a full time job with all the bullshit you post up here.

[Kefka]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Kefka

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Waa waa waa

Honestly, I thought you was gonna add something really inciteful to this debate. You're still on this 51 million people thing?

I'm still on proving your stupidity.. it's a full time job with all the bullshit you post up here.

:sleep:

[Ilvane]

From one of the articles..

• At least one unauthorized law enforcement checkpoint was set up resulting in an investigation by state authorities.

• Non-felons were removed from voter checklists based on unreliable information in connection with state-sponsored felony purge policies.

• Old and defective election equipment was found in poor precincts. • Many Haitian-Americans and Puerto Rican voters were not provided language assistance when it was requested.

• Many African-Americans did not cast ballots because they were assigned to polling sites that did not have the resources to confirm eligibility status.

• Voter registration applications were not processed in a timely manner under the National Voter Registration Act.

Conspiracy theory? Hmmm.

-A

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Ilvane
From one of the articles..

• At least one unauthorized law enforcement checkpoint was set up resulting in an investigation by state authorities.

• Non-felons were removed from voter checklists based on unreliable information in connection with state-sponsored felony purge policies.

• Old and defective election equipment was found in poor precincts.

• Many African-Americans did not cast ballots because they were assigned to polling sites that did not have the resources to confirm eligibility status.

• Voter registration applications were not processed in a timely manner under the National Voter Registration Act.

Conspiracy theory? Hmmm.Prove that none of that occurred in any other state, and then we can start talking about legitimate problems. Except this part:
• Many Haitian-Americans and Puerto Rican voters were not provided language assistance when it was requested. If you can't speak the language, you have NO business voting.

[Ilvane]

Um, this is America..you have the right to vote..and have assistance when needed. It would be called disenfranchising otherwise.;)

-A

[Pallon]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
If you can't speak the language, you have NO business voting.

the 15th amendment respectfully disagrees with you

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Ilvane
Um, this is America..you have the right to vote..and have assistance when needed. It would be called disenfranchising otherwise.;)Constitution:
The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. (See Note 14)--The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States. Right to assistance? :shrug:

edit: From pallon:
the 15th amendment respectfully disagrees with youI read race, color, and previous condition of servitude. Nothing about language.

[Edited on 8-31-2004 by Latrinsorm]

[Pallon]

I searched in vain for a hilarious quote by Strom Thurmond, but Ann Coulter will have to do instead

"I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote."---Hannity & Colmes, 8/17/99