Tipping

[Vesi]

Originally posted by Soulpieced
Since when are people supposed to tip empaths and clerics? I couldn't tell you the last time I did either. Think about it, you are BRINGING them experience. And in some rare cases, they actually get you. But regardeless, they are getting experience for an iota of the effort you put into hunting. Ug.

This was originally posted in another thread that is already pages long, so I thought I would respond to it here and ask my questions.

Best as I can remember, Thrrak and Dabbings teach you to it's a good idea to tip people that help you. (think they even mention empaths, clerics and rogues) I always make the attempt to tip empaths, clerics, rogues and bards for their services. Granted, sometimes they refuse, but I think the only time I've never tipped was if someone vultured me. They perform a service for you and it's the polite thing to do, in my opinion.

I know, with my rogue, that if someone doesn't tip they tend to be ignored by me in the future when they need boxes opened. Normally, I will give each customer a second chance just in case it was an oversight. With my bardess, I generally don't expect it, but it's nice to be offered one. (she hardly ever takes tips)

I don't play a cleric or an empath, but I would like to hear what those that do have to say about tipping. (or just the general consensus on tipping) The 'they get experience' really doesn't hold much water with me. My rogue gets experience off of boxes.

By the way, I also offer people that do mass spells tips of wands, scrolls, crystals or gems.

Vesi

[Betheny]

I'm a cleric, and I never take tips.

Beyond that, I very rarely raise people unless I actually go through the trouble of going to get them. If I don't risk my ass, and I don't put some work into it (like puking from 130) I don't really deserve to learn from it.

[Artha]

I'd like to preface this by saying my characters are both bastards.

Clerics and empaths - No tips. They're a dime a dozen, and would just waste it on fluff or some stupid rabbit item.

Locksmiths - They're harder to come by. 1000 for however many boxes I have, plus the first scarab, and 5000 for boxes if a friend goes hunting with me and we bring back 2 dozen. Plus the first scarab.

[peam]

I don't tip empaths/clerics. I don't get treasure off of every monster I kill, so there.

I tip locksmiths because their job can potentially get them killed, and, for the most part, I actively seek out their service instead of having it pressed on me.

[Scott]

My friends/my other characters normally heal/raise/pick for me so I don't really have to tip anyone. On the off chance that someone else heals me or something, I tip them pretty good since I don't do it much.

[CrystalTears]

When I played an empath, I didn't care whether they tipped or said thank you, just as long as they acknowledged that I helped them and not just walk away.

Lately I ask empaths and clerics if they would take a tip, and if they don't I say thank you with a hug or smile. I tip rogues because being a picking rogue can get expensive at times, such as getting deeds when you screw up a trap and die, or buying/repairing lockpicks.

[Taernath]

I always tip clerics, empaths and pickers, pickers most of all because they subject themselves to a lot of danger and silver loss from setting off traps and breaking picks.

[Weedmage Princess]

I've always offered a tip. If they tell me they don't accept tips, then and only then will I not offer. When I first started playing Gem, rogues, clerics and empaths weren't always readily available...even if they were around, it didn't mean they'd necessarily tend to you. They might be busy, or getting ready to go hunt or do something else...so to get your boxes picked, to get healed or raised was like them doing you a favor...in the case of the clerics, it was a big deal because of droppage, and I dont know about anyone else but I went through just about all my silver to upgrade my weapon and shield...so if they could get it off the critter, I was grateful. But times change, etc...however old habits die hard I guess and I'm grateful for whatever help I can get so I always offer something.

[Halfsilver]

I always make it a point to tip anyone who assists me, be it cleric, healer, or rogue. Rogues usually get quite a bit as i tip based on how much i'm carrying at the time.

Tipping has been a part of GS etiquette since I started playing. I can, however, see an evil or anti-social character as not tipping because it would conflict with their personality.

There are so many these days that are willing to heal/raise etc that if someone doesn't tip, it usually goes unnoticed. Just another sign that it's becoming overcrowded.

-grays

[Vesi]

Originally posted by Halfsilver

Tipping has been a part of GS etiquette since I started playing. I can, however, see an evil or anti-social character as not tipping because it would conflict with their personality.

-grays

That is how I was taught. I guess times do change, but I stick to the tipping.

As for evil characters, it really depends on who I'm playing if I care or not. I would much rather have evil characters that I might could get a little roleplay session out of when they don't tip than people that expect to use you and your services just because that is what you are trained in.

Vesi

P. S. It's nice to see that people pretty much believe in tipping rogues.

[Edited on 8-25-2003 by Vesi]

[Halfsilver]

Originally posted by Vesi


...much rather have evil characters that I might could get a little roleplay session out of when they don't tip than snerts who....


Of course, if they short you on a tip without justifying it with some sort of RP, then they can probably be considered a snert.

-grays



[Edited on 8-25-2003 by Halfsilver]

[Vesi]

Originally posted by Halfsilver

Originally posted by Vesi


...much rather have evil characters that I might could get a little roleplay session out of when they don't tip than snerts who....


Of course, if they short you on a tip without justifying it with some sort of RP, then they can probably be considered a snert.

-grays



[Edited on 8-25-2003 by Halfsilver]

Whoops, edited my post to take out snerts. You people are fast!

I just hug people and keep my money.

- --[ Klaive ]-- -

[Scott]

I hate when empaths hug me when I tip them or send them mana.......

[Edited on 8-25-2003 by Gemstone101]

[Adhara]

I do take tips when I go out of my way to rescue someone and/or if I interrupted my hunt to do the rescue. Generally speaking, if I don't feel there was a risk I will not take a tip. If there was, or if the rescue involved a long time or special obstacles (like the mino door) I take the tip. Not because I need it but because I don't want people to take this service for granted.

When I started playing, people tipped a lot more. Now I see more and more ungratefulness. Service is not only expected, but the victim is not even polite to the rescuer, demanding that they go faster! Not getting a thank you used to shock me. Now it's the opposite. I'm surprised when I hear thank you. I want to stress that it's not the amount that counts but the gesture.

If someone I rescued and resurrected does not thank me, they are automatically black listed and I will never raise them again. If they thank me and don't tip me, they will not be black listed until I have observed them do the same many times and I feel they do not offer a tip because they take the service for granted or think that I "don't deserve a tip because I learn" (yeah from empty to clear... well worth my time right?).

[longshot]

I always try to give items. If I'm banged up, I give a crystal amulet to empaths. I seem to get a geniune thank you when I give those as tips.

I usually give 50 coins for a minor wound, and 100 for a bleeder. I won't tip vultures at all, and I'll call them out on it.

I only give items to clerics, and they usually refuse. I never give coins.

Pickers I tip well. All those picks, deeds, and potential fines...

They risk their ass, so I try to take care of them as best as I can.

[Artha]

I can, however, see an evil or anti-social character as not tipping because it would conflict with their personality.

Huh? You're proving just how greedy someone is. Empaths, for example. Artha can clot and heal himself, if need be, and knows his herbs...so healers are lucky he lets them touch him at all. You should see the way I ask for healing, too.

You say 'Healing. Neck. Now.'

You snap.

Time drags on by....
Roundtime: 2 seconds

Then, I get healed :)

[Edited on 8-25-2003 by Artha]

[Ilvane]

I tip, I think too much. Ilvane is extra generous, she gives a lot to empaths and clerics. They usually don't let me keep them though, for some reason.

As for locksmiths, same thing. I know it's tough being one, I couldn't do it..I'd probably wind up killing people all the time..heh.

-A

[Bestatte]

On hugging empaths:

If the wound descriptions were part of the regular descriptions, you might see something like this:

Sue the empath is wearing a bunch of clothes, which are bloody and dripping with bits of flesh and stringy sinew. Her entrails are slithering out from her abdomen and curling down by her putrefied feet, both of which are missing half their toes. Coagulated fat covers both of the stumps of her arms, while flies circle the gaping hole in her neck, occasionally diving through to get their next tasty morsel of crimson goo which drips continually down the skinless cavity of her chest. Sue's left eye is swollen and pus-covered, while the right is caved in to her skull, the eyeball completely missing. She is drooling, since she lacks lips to hold her saliva in her toothless mouth.

Now tell me - do you REALLY want to wrap your arms around this remnant that was once a person and hug it?

[Edited on 8-25-2003 by Bestatte]

[Edaarin]

Adhara hasn't rescued me in like two years!

[Parkbandit]

Two of my characters always pretend to have nothing of value.. so they never tip.

My cleric and empath never accept a tips.

Depends on what kind of mood my thief is in as to whether he will accept a tip or not. Foul, you better offer him one or he's taking it. Good, he'll tell you he doesn't need it, but probably take some anyways.

[Edited on 8-25-2003 by Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Bestatte
On hugging empaths:

If the wound descriptions were part of the regular descriptions, you might see something like this:

Sue the empath is wearing a bunch of clothes, which are bloody and dripping with bits of flesh and stringy sinew. Her entrails are slithering out from her abdomen and curling down by her putrefied feet, both of which are missing half their toes. Coagulated fat covers both of the stumps of her arms, while flies circle the gaping hole in her neck, occasionally diving through to get their next tasty morsel of crimson goo which drips continually down the skinless cavity of her chest. Sue's left eye is swollen and pus-covered, while the right is caved in to her skull, the eyeball completely missing. She is drooling, since she lacks lips to hold her saliva in her toothless mouth.

Now tell me - do you REALLY want to wrap your arms around this remnant that was once a person and hug it?

[Edited on 8-25-2003 by Bestatte]

With all my spells serving as barriers between me and it? Sure.

- --[ Klaive ]-- -

[Jenisi]

When I was an empath, I didn't care (let alone even notice) if somone tipped or not. The experience I recieved from healing was more then enough. The only good tip I appricated was herbs. As I now play a rogue and have for about 3-4 years now when I pick, I appreciate tips. I don't receieve as much experience as I did from healing and I feel more like i'm going out of my way for people. From picking their boxs, I'm doing them a favor.. They can't die from not having their boxs picked, It's not a necessity.

[Edited on 8-25-2003 by Jenisi]

[Adhara]

I'm not too fond of strangers hugging me, me being any of my characters.

Also I would like to amend one of my previous statements. I said that if the people I raise/rescue do not thank me I will not raise them again. There have been a few exceptions (in fact I can only think of one but there might have been more). If I witness one of my blacklisted persons thanking another cleric for a raise I will remove them from my list for a second chance.

I understand it is a roleplaying choice for some to never tip or never thank. My roleplaying choice is to not rescue someone who does not offer something to my deity in return (judgement call here, young characters I never expect a tip from, even if they are dressed in such a way that I know they are a secondary character). However the thank you bit is the most critical for me.

And Artha, if you spoke to my empath like that, you wouldn't get healing from her. *chuckle* She'd probably laugh in your face. Empaths are lucky to be allowed to touch him uh? *grin* Are you related to The Edine by chance?

[Artha]

Nope...but hey, when one of the stubborn empaths in town decides to act above themselves, he just visits the NPC healer :)

[Solkern]

Only damn tips i've ever taken, were a tahkn you, and a hug, Why should they give money to me? they have already given me some damn good EXP....same with picking, people dont sit int he tower just to make tips, well i suppose some do, but most, go there to make some EXP, empaths are the same way, if it wasnt for poeple coming there to get healed, empaths woul dbe out hunting, any service clerics/emapths/rogues do, they get learning for it, I tip rogues all the time usually 500 a box, maybe more depending if the creature is rich or not, and 2nd off, I think empaths perfer a shit load of mana, then a few coins...but I dont still see why we have to tip someone, well besides being generous, when they are mainly doing it, for learning

[Hips]

Originally posted by Solkern
I think empaths perfer a shit load of mana

I tip mana too, usually all that I have at any given moment (usually 57-ish).

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by GS3 Michiko

Originally posted by Solkern
I think empaths perfer a shit load of mana

I tip mana too, usually all that I have at any given moment (usually 57-ish).

I think this tip will end especially from squares.

[AnticorRifling]

I, when playing Anticor, tip well. Generally for healing I will give 1-2k and 100 mana, or a good gem and mana. For a raise I give good gems and if the cleric is around the first 2 pulses of mana. For boxes generally half of the coins from each box or a few good gems, and the picker always keeps all my scarabs. And I always thank the healer/cleric/picker.

As my other characters usually I will give a thank you and a few silvers for healing and raising. Boxes are a non issue as the other character I play 99% of the time can pick his own and the other two little guys never hunt anything with boxes worth picking up.

[Vesi]

Originally posted by Adhara
I'm not too fond of strangers hugging me, me being any of my characters.

Also I would like to amend one of my previous statements. I said that if the people I raise/rescue do not thank me I will not raise them again. There have been a few exceptions (in fact I can only think of one but there might have been more). If I witness one of my blacklisted persons thanking another cleric for a raise I will remove them from my list for a second chance.

I understand it is a roleplaying choice for some to never tip or never thank. My roleplaying choice is to not rescue someone who does not offer something to my deity in return (judgement call here, young characters I never expect a tip from, even if they are dressed in such a way that I know they are a secondary character). However the thank you bit is the most critical for me.



I'm not too fond of strangers hugging me either. Unless it is a certain character of mine, a hug can be at least tolerated. I have my demeanor on neutral and set personal ones.

As for a thank you, that is certainly expected by my characters. That makes them madder than no tip. At least grunt.

Young characters I look at in two ways. First being that they are young and need every coin they can get. Then again, if I'm helping someone new, I tell them tipping is a good idea and a good way to make friends. I also hope they see that they are going to need to ask people for these services, so might as well give them a little something. A little something can go a long way for another character.

Vesi

[Kellenial]

Not trying to derail this thread any, and I have scarcely played much in the past 4 years, but is it true that for empaths healing, they have decreased or tapered how much experience they get when they heal someone? Or is this planned for Gemstone IV? I vaguely remembering reading some empaths being vocal about this....mostly those who spent their whole life planted in the same spot and are getting/will get minimal experience for healing. (Not that my empath ever did that. He always preferred to hook up with a group and heal while they hunted, and help fight when able. I found it was much easier to fry like that. )

[CrystalTears]

You learn more when you're younger and it reduces slightly as you get older. Trans any cuts down how much experience you get as well, I think it's about a third or a half, I can't remember exactly. But if you heal each wound separately, you shouldn't really see much of a difference in your healing experience.

[Miss X]

I hate the trans any thing...... when my empath was young she was taught to use it, and I used it right up to about 25 trains, when someone mentioned I was losing exp, so I started taking wounds by name, and omg the exp increase was massive, she fries and trains so much quicker now!
As for tips, my empath really doesnt like tips at all, she will make her money from hunting when she can, I dont see why if someone has given me a full head of learning, why they should then give me 2k, most people that know her know she doesnt take tips, and I will usually go out of my way to make sure people that tip and run get their silver back some how. The only time I will take tips is when she is healing in Landing and shes's to rushed to give it back, but I find a lot of the time in Landing the patient isnt sure who to tip, because its either really busy or more than one empath has tried to heal them.