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Climate Change And Violence Linked (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/01/climate-change-and-violence_n_3692023.html)
Shifts in climate change are strongly linked to human violence (http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2013/08/01/climate-strongly-affects-human-conflict-and-violence-worldwide-says-study/) around the world, according to a comprehensive new study released Thursday by the University of California, Berkeley and Princeton University.
The research (http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2013/08/01/climate-strongly-affects-human-conflict-and-violence-worldwide-says-study/), which was published in Science, examined 60 previous studies from all major regions of the globe. The results suggest that changes such as drought, flood and high temperatures strongly correlate with spikes in conflict.
Researchers noted examples including increased domestic violence in India and Australia, assaults and murders in the United States and Tanzania, ethnic violence in Europe and South Asia, land invasions in Brazil, police violence in the Netherlands and civil conflicts throughout the tropics.
The biggest culprit: higher temperatures. Out of 27 modern societies studied, all 27 showed a positive relationship between higher temperatures and violence.
See, the oil companies know that we are causing climate change. But this works out for them in the long run because of their ties with the defense industry. More oil = more CO2 = hotter planet = more violence = more need for weapons = profit!
Tgo01
08-02-2013, 11:46 AM
I just stubbed my toe, thanks climate change!
Atlanteax
08-02-2013, 11:51 AM
Climate Change And Violence Linked (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/01/climate-change-and-violence_n_3692023.html)
See, the oil companies know that we are causing climate change. But this works out for them in the long run because of their ties with the defense industry. More oil = more CO2 = hotter planet = more violence = more need for weapons = profit!
So in other words, all 50 states will need to adopt "Stand Your Ground" laws.
Gelston
08-02-2013, 12:39 PM
Oh, is it hotter outside?
Parkbandit
08-02-2013, 01:05 PM
Climate Change And Violence Linked (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/01/climate-change-and-violence_n_3692023.html)
See, the oil companies know that we are causing climate change. But this works out for them in the long run because of their ties with the defense industry. More oil = more CO2 = hotter planet = more violence = more need for weapons = profit!
You forgot to tie banks, capitalism and the Tea Party to it. Come on man.. you are slacking!
Tgo01
08-02-2013, 01:08 PM
You forgot to tie banks, capitalism and the Tea Party to it. Come on man.. you are slacking!
To be fair to Back I'm sure Rachel Maddow just hasn't gotten around to mentioning that yet.
Methais
08-02-2013, 01:19 PM
Climate Change And Violence Linked (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/01/climate-change-and-violence_n_3692023.html)
See, the oil companies know that we are causing climate change. But this works out for them in the long run because of their ties with the defense industry. More oil = more CO2 = hotter planet = more violence = more need for weapons = profit!
Liberals Will Believe Anything If You Call It a Study (Liberals will believe anything if you call it a 'study' Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/07/liberals_will_believe_anything_if_you_call_it_a_st udy.html#ixzz2apjNz8LN Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook)
Tgo01
08-02-2013, 01:36 PM
Liberals Will Believe Anything If You Call It a Study (Liberals will believe anything if you call it a 'study' Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/07/liberals_will_believe_anything_if_you_call_it_a_st udy.html#ixzz2apjNz8LN Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook)
That McDonald's link is awesome. It was funny watching people on TV who make millions arguing "I would pay 68 cents more for a Big Mac in order to double worker salaries."
Reminds me of people who watch Jon Stewart (who makes about 10 million a year) tell them that millionaires are the reason we are in the mess we're in today. Wait, what?
That McDonald's link is awesome. It was funny watching people on TV who make millions arguing "I would pay 68 cents more for a Big Mac in order to double worker salaries."
Reminds me of people who watch Jon Stewart (who makes about 10 million a year) tell them that millionaires are the reason we are in the mess we're in today. Wait, what?
I find it crazy that people don't want the minimum wage to go up because they would not be willing to pay a measly .68 cents more to stuff crap into their fat fucking faces. It's bullshit because THEY WILL regardless of what raises the price.
You obviously don't watch the Daily Show.
Tgo01
08-02-2013, 01:45 PM
I find it crazy that people don't want the minimum wage to go up because they would not be willing to pay a measly .68 cents more to stuff crap into their fat fucking faces. It's bullshit because THEY WILL regardless of what raises the price.
I think it's pretty obvious you didn't read the link Methais posted. I have a question, do the servers at your restaurant receive minimum wage? Or do they receive server minimum wage?
To be honest I think the minimum wage is a bit low, 10 dollars sounds about right, 15 dollars is fucking insane.
You obviously don't watch the Daily Show.
Right, tell me how Jon Stewart never blamed the rich for any of the problems the US has faced. Go on, DO IT!
Shaps
08-02-2013, 01:48 PM
5406
Global warming... the ups... and the downs.
Parkbandit
08-02-2013, 02:00 PM
I find it crazy that people don't want the minimum wage to go up because they would not be willing to pay a measly .68 cents more to stuff crap into their fat fucking faces. It's bullshit because THEY WILL regardless of what raises the price.
You obviously don't watch the Daily Show.
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I think it's pretty obvious you didn't read the link Methais posted. I have a question, do the servers at your restaurant receive minimum wage? Or do they receive server minimum wage?
To be honest I think the minimum wage is a bit low, 10 dollars sounds about right, 15 dollars is fucking insane.
Right, tell me how Jon Stewart never blamed the rich for any of the problems the US has faced. Go on, DO IT!
The link isn't working for me.
They make server minimum wage allowed by state law. With tips included they make anywhere from $15 to $30 an hour. Sometimes more depending on if we have a big party. We pay our main bartender twice what the servers make an hour because he also manages liquor and beer inventory. He actually makes more than I do figuring in his credit card tips. Last payroll he made $36 an hour and that does not even include his cash tips.
I'm already working out how things would work if the state decides to change that law. It would obviously increase our labor cost so that money would have to come out of somewhere.
I know what you are thinking, if Back thinks the minimum wage is too low why doesn't he just pay his people more? I run the place but I don't sign the checks so all I can do is lobby on their behalf. I'd love to offer healthcare and a better wage.
John Stewert is not a journalist, politician, or revolutionary. He is a comedian. He is not the only person on the show or who writes everything.
Tgo01
08-02-2013, 02:12 PM
They make server minimum wage allowed by state law.
Why doesn't your restaurant pay them regular minimum wage?
John Stewert is not a journalist, politician, or revolutionary. He is a comedian. He is not the only person on the show or who writes everything.
So you're not denying what I said? You're just falling back on that tired old line of "he's a comedian!" Don't get me wrong, I like Jon Stewart, I think he's funny. But I think it's time people stop letting him get away with shit with the line of "he's a comedian!"
Some of his interviews with people were the most serious interviews I've ever seen. Did you see the Crammer from Mad Money interview? Stewart was skewering him like a roast pig as if the entire financial meltdown was his fault.
Shaps
08-02-2013, 02:23 PM
Tgo01 and Back... wondering on this topic of conversation.
Do you all think servers/waiters would prefer to have the regular minimum wage and health insurance - and do away with the requirement/expectation for patrons to tip... or
Retain their server minimum wage and get tips?
It's been over 20 years since I've worked in the industry, but I know at the time I would have fought to retain my tips. Earning $200-400 a night was nice.
Methais
08-02-2013, 02:27 PM
I find it crazy that people don't want the minimum wage to go up because they would not be willing to pay a measly .68 cents more to stuff crap into their fat fucking faces. It's bullshit because THEY WILL regardless of what raises the price.
You obviously don't watch the Daily Show.
I bet you also think that a burger costing 68 cents more would be the only effect of this, don't you? It couldn't possibly drive up the prices of everything else, right?
If McDonald's workers are getting paid $15 an hour, how many construction workers for example, would suddenly either a) Demand a pay increase or b) Decide to go flip burgers?
Down here, most unskilled construction positions start at $15 an hour, and has you outside all day in the sweltering heat breaking your back. Who would want to do that when they could just go flip burgers for the same pay?
Their other option would be to demand a pay increase, which they would most likely get, which would in turn raise prices for anything that company produces, etc. Apply this concept to pretty much every position in every company, and now everything costs a fuckload more money, including rent, utilities, etc. Those McDonald's workers who are now making $15 an hour will still be on just as tight of a budget as they were when they were making $7.25, and then they'll demand $25 an hour, and the whole cycle of stupidity will repeat itself.
But please, tell us again how the only thing that will happen is a Big Mac costing 68 cents more.
Tgo01
08-02-2013, 02:27 PM
Do you all think servers/waiters would prefer to have the regular minimum wage and health insurance - and do away with the requirement/expectation for patrons to tip... or
Retain their server minimum wage and get tips?
Why can't they receive regular minimum wage AND receive tips, like almost the rest of the world does? Come on Latrin, my latin is failing me, what is this called again? Where someone gives you two choices when there are more possible choices?
In any event my main point is it's humorous seeing someone who works in an industry that pays their employees a slave wage and the companies rely on the generosity of their customers to directly pay for their workers' salary meanwhile this same individual (we'll call him Back) attacks McDonald's business model.
Why doesn't your restaurant pay them regular minimum wage?
Thats not my decision to make. I thought my post kinda explained that. In general it is how restaurants work in my state. We pay our runners/bussers more per hour than our servers with a percentage of server tips going into a pool that gets divided up by how many hours they work. They average around $9.50 an hour. Sometimes up to $11 if we have a great sales week.
So you're not denying what I said? You're just falling back on that tired old line of "he's a comedian!" Don't get me wrong, I like Jon Stewart, I think he's funny. But I think it's time people stop letting him get away with shit with the line of "he's a comedian!"
Some of his interviews with people were the most serious interviews I've ever seen. Did you see the Crammer from Mad Money interview? Stewart was skewering him like a roast pig as if the entire financial meltdown was his fault.
Your flippant comment was what I was responding to. He gets a lot of hate from the tighty rightys probably because him and his staff point out some pretty crazy hypocrisies. I do not know how much he gets paid or what he does with his money but he isn't Goldman-Sachs.
Gelston
08-02-2013, 02:30 PM
I've never understood how raising the minimum wage fixed anything. Don't things just get a little more expensive leaving you with the exact same purchasing power? I mean, if everyone in the US made 1 million dollars a year, would a candy bar cost a thousand dollars?
Tgo01
08-02-2013, 02:31 PM
Thats not my decision to make.
Too bad that wasn't my question.
I do not know how much he (Jon Stewart) gets paid or what he does with his money but he isn't Goldman-Sachs.
Whoa! It's almost as if you were trying to prove the original point I was making.
Why can't they receive regular minimum wage AND receive tips, like almost the rest of the world does? Come on Latrin, my latin is failing me, what is this called again? Where someone gives you two choices when there are more possible choices?
In any event my main point is it's humorous seeing someone who works in an industry that pays their employees a slave wage and the companies rely on the generosity of their customers to directly pay for their workers' salary meanwhile this same individual (we'll call him Back) attacks McDonald's business model.
My comment was not about McDonald's business model. Try and keep up.
Tgo01
08-02-2013, 02:36 PM
I find it crazy that people don't want the minimum wage to go up because they would not be willing to pay a measly .68 cents more (for a BigMac) to stuff crap into their fat fucking faces.
My comment was not about McDonald's business model. Try and keep up.
What was that again?
What was that again?
It's like you refuse to understand things.
Parkbandit
08-02-2013, 02:39 PM
I know what you are thinking, if Back thinks the minimum wage is too low why doesn't he just pay his people more? I run the place but I don't sign the checks so all I can do is lobby on their behalf. I'd love to offer healthcare and a better wage.
Wait.. I thought you said you owned the business? If the owner doesn't write the checks and make the decisions.. who does??
Shaps
08-02-2013, 02:41 PM
Why can't they receive regular minimum wage AND receive tips, like almost the rest of the world does? Come on Latrin, my latin is failing me, what is this called again? Where someone gives you two choices when there are more possible choices?
In any event my main point is it's humorous seeing someone who works in an industry that pays their employees a slave wage and the companies rely on the generosity of their customers to directly pay for their workers' salary meanwhile this same individual (we'll call him Back) attacks McDonald's business model.
To your first point... That is an option... pay the employee a regular minimum wage, then expect tips from customers. You did leave out my inclusion of health insurance as part of that though. The consumer in my first example should not be expected to tip if the server gets the minimum wage+health insurance in my opinion. Additionally, if a server is getting the regular minimum wage and not the server minimum wage - food prices go up. I understand and agree this should happen, but again would limit my desire to have to tip most servers, since they are already getting the minimum wage.
I agree it's an odd system, I don't think businesses should rely on customers generosity to pay their workers. But, it is the system that we currently operate under and most servers expect tips to live now.
Why I was asking the question: If I as an employer, offered the minimum wage+health care to my workers and put up a sign that told customers "no tipping required" - or - offered my employees the server minimum wage and their tips - What do you think they would want?
Tgo01
08-02-2013, 02:46 PM
It's like you refuse to understand things.
So, wait, you weren't indirectly (actually more like directly but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt) attacking McDonald's by A) Pointing out the price increase of a BigMac and B) By specifically mentioning companies that pay minimum wage of which McDonald's is one of them?
Kembal
08-02-2013, 02:46 PM
Not sure I buy the study's conclusion that climate change is directly correlated, not unless they took lead content as an independent variable in their statistical regression also. Lead's been much more directly correlated with trends in violence.
Haven't really looked into the minimum wage stuff to comment.
Methais
08-02-2013, 02:51 PM
Violence has vastly increased since American Idol and other reality shows have become so mainstream.
Therefore reality TV is causing violence in America.
That was easy. I wish I had thought of this before.
Methais
08-02-2013, 02:52 PM
Hey Back, what would happen to your menu prices if you have to pay everyone on your staff $15 an hour? Let's leave tips out of the equation for now. Would they go up by more than 68 cents?
If you're not sure, just take a guess.
Wait.. I thought you said you owned the business? If the owner doesn't write the checks and make the decisions.. who does??
The manager, duh.
Wait, isn't Back the manage too? WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?!?!?
Tgo01
08-02-2013, 02:53 PM
Violence has vastly increased since American Idol and other reality shows have become so mainstream.
Therefore reality TV is causing violence in America.
That was easy. I wish I had thought of this before.
FACT! More people are talking about the Jersey Shore since the reality show Jersey Shore first debuted.
Tgo01
08-02-2013, 02:54 PM
Sounds like Back does every job at his restaurant except actually wait tables, and he pays his employees a slave wage for that job.
Wait.. I thought you said you owned the business? If the owner doesn't write the checks and make the decisions.. who does??
I call it my restaurant because I am the GM and run the day to day operations. It is not my LLC. though. I don't think I've stated that I outright own it.
So, wait, you weren't indirectly (actually more like directly but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt) attacking McDonald's by A) Pointing out the price increase of a BigMac and B) By specifically mentioning companies that pay minimum wage of which McDonald's is one of them?
Nope. Try reading my actual comment a little slower. Somehow I don't think it will help.
Methais
08-02-2013, 02:59 PM
FACT! More people are talking about the Jersey Shore since the reality show Jersey Shore first debuted.
And then it got pwned by a SUPERSTORM!
Fucking reality TV causes natural disasters in addition to regular violence.
Methais
08-02-2013, 03:01 PM
Nope. Try reading my actual comment a little slower. Somehow I don't think it will help.
While you're here avoiding my question, can you tell me what would happen to your menu prices if you had to pay everyone on your staff $15 an hour? Let's leave tips out of the equation for now. How much would your menu prices increase? Just take a guess.
While you're here avoiding my question, can you tell me what would happen to your menu prices if you had to pay everyone on your staff $15 an hour? Let's leave tips out of the equation for now. How much would your menu prices increase? Just take a guess.
When you clowns start falling over yourselves getting out of the clown car to give me a hard time its hard to keep up.
Prices would go up. Not sure how much but .50 a plate maybe? I have not worked out the numbers but I did mention that I am looking at it in case it does happen.
PS. No one who works at my restaurant earns per hour what minimum wage is currently set at. Our lowest wage without tips is $8/hour for hostesses.
Wrathbringer
08-02-2013, 03:09 PM
While you're here avoiding my question, can you tell me what would happen to your menu prices if you had to pay everyone on your staff $15 an hour? Let's leave tips out of the equation for now. How much would your menu prices increase? Just take a guess.
Yeah, this. People seem to think wage increases happen in a vacuum and only affect the employee by allowing them to bring home more money. Obviously, not the case. Reminds me of the union argument. No one in favor of unions has union workers build their homes if they can help it. Why? Because everyone knows that a 100k house costs a couple million bucks to build if you do that. Not trying to change the subject, just illustrating that controlling wages affects more than just the worker. Pebble in the pond kind of thing.
Tgo01
08-02-2013, 03:13 PM
Prices would go up. Not sure how much but .50 a plate maybe? I have not worked out the numbers but I did mention that I am looking at it in case it does happen.
If you had to start paying your servers 7 times what they make now prices would rise by 50 cents a plate? Come on Back, tell the truth, you don't even work at a restaurant, do you?
Methais
08-02-2013, 03:16 PM
When you clowns start falling over yourselves getting out of the clown car to give me a hard time its hard to keep up.
Prices would go up. Not sure how much but .50 a plate maybe? I have not worked out the numbers but I did mention that I am looking at it in case it does happen.
PS. No one who works at my restaurant earns per hour what minimum wage is currently set at. Our lowest wage without tips is $8/hour for hostesses.
I'm talking about all of your staff, including wait staff, which is why I said let's leave tips out of the equation.
I'll ask a little more clearly this time...
If your wait staff suddenly got bumped from $2.13 an hour (or whatever minimum is in your state for wait staff and other "tip" positions) to $15 an hour, along with the rest of your crew, how would your menu prices be affected?
Do you honestly believe things would only go up 50 cents per plate, and that it wouldn't have any ripple effects outside of your restaurant?
When you clowns start falling over yourselves getting out of the clown car to give me a hard time its hard to keep up.
Perhaps if you stopped being so incredibly retarded all the time and saying the most outlandishly stupid shit, things would be different.
Parkbandit
08-02-2013, 03:17 PM
While you're here avoiding my question, can you tell me what would happen to your menu prices if you had to pay everyone on your staff $15 an hour? Let's leave tips out of the equation for now. How much would your menu prices increase? Just take a guess.
Idiot! He already pays them MORE than a lousy $15 an hour.
Methais
08-02-2013, 03:20 PM
Idiot! He already pays them MORE than a lousy $15 an hour.
Oh yeah, how could I have forgotten?
In that case, shouldn't Back's staff be outraged that the lazy assholes across the street at McDonald's are making almost as much as them now, and demand a pay increase that scales with the new McDonald's wages?
If I'm making $15 an hour at Back's restaurant, and some McDonald's guy gets his pay doubled to $15, then Back either needs to pay me $22+ an hour, or I'm gonna turn in my company scarf and go work at McDonald's.
Shaps
08-02-2013, 03:21 PM
This conversation is getting good, really fast.
/opens a bag of popcorn
Methais
08-02-2013, 03:22 PM
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Tgo01
08-02-2013, 03:25 PM
They make server minimum wage allowed by state law.
No one who works at my restaurant earns per hour what minimum wage is currently set at.
Which is it?
Methais
08-02-2013, 03:28 PM
Which is it?
HE DOESN'T SIGN THE CHECKS, HE DOESN'T KNOW!! DON'T YOU LISTEN!??!?!!?!?!@?21/
Parkbandit
08-02-2013, 03:29 PM
Which is it?
You are wasting your time. Backlash has more stories than the Bible.
Atlanteax
08-02-2013, 03:29 PM
Speaking of "Liberals Will Believe Anything If You Call It a Study"
http://www.lolbrary.com/lolpics/546/do-it-for-your-health-please-7546.jpg
Methais
08-02-2013, 03:35 PM
And then...
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/24782307.jpg
Sounds like Back does every job at his restaurant except actually wait tables, and he pays his employees a slave wage for that job.
As a GM you kind of have to. The only thing I do not do is cook. I should learn though. But everything else... running, bussing, bartending, serving, washing dishes, administration, cleaning, ordering, inventory, payroll, scheduling, and so on I do when needed.
If you had to start paying your servers 7 times what they make now prices would rise by 50 cents a plate? Come on Back, tell the truth, you don't even work at a restaurant, do you?
How can you sit there and presume you know more about my business then I do? You're nuts.
I'm talking about all of your staff, including wait staff, which is why I said let's leave tips out of the equation.
I'll ask a little more clearly this time...
If your wait staff suddenly got bumped from $2.13 an hour (or whatever minimum is in your state for wait staff and other "tip" positions) to $15 an hour, along with the rest of your crew, how would your menu prices be affected?
Do you honestly believe things would only go up 50 cents per plate, and that it wouldn't have any ripple effects outside of your restaurant?
Perhaps if you stopped being so incredibly retarded all the time and saying the most outlandishly stupid shit, things would be different.
I said I have not crunched it yet, you asked for an estimate, and I gave you one. What are you trying to get me to say? You keep changing the stipulations when I already answered you.
Idiot! He already pays them MORE than a lousy $15 an hour.
True our guests supplement their salaries. But we have servers who have worked there since we've been open. They have not complained about the money they make. We have a whole slew of college kids who keep coming back every summer.
Oh yeah, how could I have forgotten?
In that case, shouldn't Back's staff be outraged that the lazy assholes across the street at McDonald's are making almost as much as them now, and demand a pay increase that scales with the new McDonald's wages?
If I'm making $15 an hour at Back's restaurant, and some McDonald's guy gets his pay doubled to $15, then Back either needs to pay me $22+ an hour, or I'm gonna turn in my company scarf and go work at McDonald's.
If they want to work at McDonalds no one is stopping them.
HE DOESN'T SIGN THE CHECKS, HE DOESN'T KNOW!! DON'T YOU LISTEN!??!?!!?!?!@?21/
I do payroll so I know how much everyone makes.
Not sure where all this is coming from guys. My comment about consumers complaining about having to pay .68 more a burger as a reason to stand against raising the minimum wage seems crazy to me because those people will pay it regardless of why the cost goes up.
So... about climate change and violence...
Tgo01
08-02-2013, 05:14 PM
My comment about consumers complaining about having to pay .68 more a burger
Yeah McDonald's obviously fails at their business, they have to raise the price of a hamburger by 68 cents if they doubled everyone's wages, if you double some of your employees' wages and increase other employee wages by up to 7 times you only have to increase the cost of an entire dish by 50 cents. Why hasn't McDonald's made you their CEO yet?
as a reason to stand against raising the minimum wage seems crazy to me because those people will pay it regardless of why the cost goes up.
What planet do you live on exactly Back? You don't think if house prices jumped by 20% that more people would opt to rent instead of own? If car prices jumped 20% more people wouldn't opt for public transportation instead of buying a car? If fast food prices jumped by 20% more people wouldn't eat at home instead of eating out?
Yeah McDonald's obviously fails at their business, they have to raise the price of a hamburger by 68 cents if they doubled everyone's wages, if you double some of your employees' wages and increase other employee wages by up to 7 times you only have to increase the cost of an entire dish by 50 cents. Why hasn't McDonald's made you their CEO yet?
What planet do you live on exactly Back? You don't think if house prices jumped by 20% that more people would opt to rent instead of own? If car prices jumped 20% more people wouldn't opt for public transportation instead of buying a car? If fast food prices jumped by 20% more people wouldn't eat at home instead of eating out?
Obviously not the same planet crazy you live on because you aren't understanding anything I've been saying and keep coming up with crazy ass assumptions about your misunderstanding a simple sentence I wrote on page one.
Tgo01
08-02-2013, 05:21 PM
Obviously not the same planet crazy you live on because you aren't understanding anything I've been saying and keep coming up with crazy ass assumptions about your misunderstanding a simple sentence I wrote on page one.
Alright back, perhaps I've been unfair. What exactly did you mean by the following comment if you're not saying that people will pay the extra 68 cents regardless of why the price went up?
My comment about consumers complaining about having to pay .68 more a burger as a reason to stand against raising the minimum wage seems crazy to me because those people will pay it regardless of why the cost goes up.
Latrinsorm
08-02-2013, 05:25 PM
Right, tell me how Jon Stewart never blamed the rich for any of the problems the US has faced. Go on, DO IT!I don't watch the show much, but from what I remember he primarily blames the enablers: politicians, media, etc.
Did you see the Crammer from Mad Money interview? Stewart was skewering him like a roast pig as if the entire financial meltdown was his fault.Yes, like, such as, that.
Why can't they receive regular minimum wage AND receive tips, like almost the rest of the world does? Come on Latrin, my latin is failing me, what is this called again? Where someone gives you two choices when there are more possible choices?A false dichotomy. Like all other English words, it actually comes to us from the Greek. Name any English word, and I'll give you the Greek root.
If fast food prices jumped by 20% more people wouldn't eat at home instead of eating out?Fast food is already not a great value for calories per money. But I'm more disappointed that you would let fast food prices keep you from eating out, that's a lame excuse you selfish bastard.
Their other option would be to demand a pay increase, which they would most likely get, which would in turn raise prices for anything that company produces, etc.This does not follow. Consider:
Time A (Saturday)
Company pays $12 an hour.
Company has their price point perfectly situated between price and quantity. Either increasing or decreasing their price will result in less profit.
Time A + 2 (Monday)
Company pays $12.50 an hour (voluntarily or otherwise). They now have less profit.
Because Company's employees do not purchase a significant % of Company's products, their price point is still perfectly situated, and increasing price will result in even less profit.
Certainly Company would like to charge more, but they would like to do that in every situation. They did not obtain their profit margin (and no more) on Saturday because they're such great guys, they did so because that's what (they believed) the market tolerated.
And even if everyone received a wage increase, not just Company's employees, it does not necessarily follow that Company could increase prices and increase profit, because people are not robots that instantly recalibrate themselves based on new inputs. And I'll prove it: how many times have you walked into a store, seen a price increase, and started calculating out the change in your wage (nominal or real)? You said "another ecks dollars?!? thanks a lot, Obama!" and bought something else, and yes that is a direct quote.
I've never understood how raising the minimum wage fixed anything. Don't things just get a little more expensive leaving you with the exact same purchasing power? I mean, if everyone in the US made 1 million dollars a year, would a candy bar cost a thousand dollars?Two things on that. We always have inflation, even when there aren't minimum wage increases. If you never increase minimum wage, a minimum wage earners purchasing power is going to go down every year. Here's (http://www.financialramblings.com/images/minimum-wage-inflation-large.png) a good graph illustrating that. Before the big increases in 2006ish, the purchasing power of a minimum wage earner was at its lowest since 1949, even though it had been increased about 20 times in the interim.
Alright back, perhaps I've been unfair. What exactly did you mean by the following comment if you're not saying that people will pay the extra 68 cents regardless of why the price went up?
Dude thats all I've been saying. I think if you are against minimum wage going up because you are going to have to pay .17 more for your 6 McNuggets you're crazy.
And that was in response to you saying you could not believe that there were people out there who would gladly pay a little more. I would.
Tgo01
08-02-2013, 05:39 PM
Name any English word, and I'll give you the Greek root.
Latrinsorm.
Dude thats all I've been saying.
And this is why you live on Planet Crazy, you don't think people would stop eating at McDonald's if prices jumped by 20% tomorrow.
I think if you are against minimum wage going up because you are going to have to pay .17 more for your 6 McNuggets you're crazy.
It's more than 17 cents, this was already discussed on the first page of this thread.
And that was in response to you saying you could not believe that there were people out there who would gladly pay a little more.
That's not what I said at all. I said I couldn't believe millionaires were on TV yelling about how easy it would be to pay 68 cents more for a Bigmac.
Perhaps I should reiterate that statement and bold the ludicrous part.
That's not what I said at all. I said I couldn't believe millionaires were on TV yelling about how easy it would be to pay 68 cents more for a Bigmac.
Because as I'm sure everyone is aware of millionaires have a tough enough time as is affording a Bigmac so if they say it's easy for them to shell out an extra 68 cents for one then that's all that needs to be said. Why hasn't McDonald's doubled their workers' salaries yet?
And this is why you live on Planet Crazy, you don't think people would stop eating at McDonald's if prices jumped by 20% tomorrow.
I did not see Methais' link but I've read that if McDonalds did raise their minimum wage to $15/hour it would cause them to raise their prices .17 cents on the dollar to retain their billion dollar profits.
Thanks for wasting my time today.
Latrinsorm
08-02-2013, 05:54 PM
Latrinsorm.Latrinsorm is ancient Anunnakian corrupted from the Enochian. STUPID.
And this is why you live on Planet Crazy, you don't think people would stop eating at McDonald's if prices jumped by 20% tomorrow.Two things people always underestimate about humans: sloth and spite. People would absolutely keep going to McDonald's because that's what they do. And people would start going to somewhere else and stick with it no matter how high its prices got just to stick it to McDonald's. I'll prove this too: how many people have you heard saying they'll never watch baseball again because of the strike in 1994, but continue to watch any other professional league (for the purposes of this argument including the NHL)?
Warriorbird
08-02-2013, 05:55 PM
Latrinsorm.
latrine (n.)
c.1300, probably from Latin latrina, contraction of lavatrina "washbasin, washroom," from lavatus, past participle of lavare "to wash" (see lave) + -trina, suffix denoting "workplace."
storm (n.)
Old English storm, from Proto-Germanic *sturmaz (cf. Old Norse stormr, Old Saxon, Middle Low German, Middle Dutch, Dutch storm, Old High German and German sturm).
Parkbandit
08-02-2013, 05:59 PM
Since when is a line job at McDonalds supposed to be a career job in this country? I know when I got into my first job, I couldn't wait to show them what I could do so I could get promoted. It's an entry level position for a reason.. you are supposed to get into the business and then be motivated to get promoted, get a better paying job, etc..
What jobs are "supposed" to be paid at the minimum wages in this country if it's not for fast food places like McDonalds?
Since when is a line job at McDonalds supposed to be a career job in this country? I know when I got into my first job, I couldn't wait to show them what I could do so I could get promoted. It's an entry level position for a reason.. you are supposed to get into the business and then be motivated to get promoted, get a better paying job, etc..
What jobs are "supposed" to be paid at the minimum wages in this country if it's not for fast food places like McDonalds?
Yes. My first job at minimum wage was on a 90 day probation then you got an immediate raise. Minimum wage is not a career goal.
Tgo01
08-02-2013, 06:15 PM
I did not see Methais' link but I've read that if McDonalds did raise their minimum wage to $15/hour it would cause them to raise their prices .17 cents on the dollar to retain their billion dollar profits.
This is why you should really read Methais' link.
Methais
08-02-2013, 06:22 PM
Why is Backlash unable to process the concept that if minimum wage goes up to $15 an hour, the price of everything else will go up with it?
Thondalar
08-02-2013, 06:25 PM
Why is Backlash unable to process the concept that if minimum wage goes up to $15 an hour, the price of everything else will go up with it?
Not only that, but unemployment would go way up.
Methais
08-02-2013, 06:26 PM
Not only that, but unemployment would go way up.
And those who are still employed would likely have hours cut. Except at Backlash's restaurant I'm sure, it will be a waitstaff utopia.
Why is Backlash unable to process the concept that if minimum wage goes up to $15 an hour, the price of everything else will go up with it?
Why are you unable to process that I have in fact agreed?
Tgo01
08-02-2013, 06:28 PM
I think Back also misses the point that if a company sets aside 20% of their earnings towards employee wages and benefits it's possible that if employee wages were to double they would actually cut workers hours in half instead of just increasing their prices by 20%.
Latrinsorm
08-02-2013, 06:32 PM
Why is Backlash unable to process the concept that if minimum wage goes up to $15 an hour, the price of everything else will go up with it?Is it a coincidence that the word concept is so close to the word conjecture?
cor aut mors
08-02-2013, 06:34 PM
To your first point... That is an option... pay the employee a regular minimum wage, then expect tips from customers. You did leave out my inclusion of health insurance as part of that though. The consumer in my first example should not be expected to tip if the server gets the minimum wage+health insurance in my opinion. Additionally, if a server is getting the regular minimum wage and not the server minimum wage - food prices go up. I understand and agree this should happen, but again would limit my desire to have to tip most servers, since they are already getting the minimum wage.
I agree it's an odd system, I don't think businesses should rely on customers generosity to pay their workers. But, it is the system that we currently operate under and most servers expect tips to live now.
Why I was asking the question: If I as an employer, offered the minimum wage+health care to my workers and put up a sign that told customers "no tipping required" - or - offered my employees the server minimum wage and their tips - What do you think they would want?
That depends on where you live and where you're working at... Some waitresses I know take home an easy $200 a night which is way more than minimum wage.
Parkbandit
08-02-2013, 06:35 PM
Yes. My first job at minimum wage was on a 90 day probation then you got an immediate raise. Minimum wage is not a career goal.
So let's take this slowly.. since we're both on the same page...
Do you consider an entry level position with McDonalds as a minimum wage position?
So let's take this slowly.. since we're both on the same page...
Do you consider an entry level position with McDonalds as a minimum wage position?
FUCK THE BANKS!!!!
Methais
08-02-2013, 06:57 PM
FUCK THE BANKS!!!!
Why is it lately that when someone asks you a valid question that you know answering truthfully will make you look like a moron, you pretend to go into troll mode, thinking you'll just deflect it and people will forget about it?
Parkbandit
08-02-2013, 06:59 PM
Why is it lately that when someone asks you a valid question that you know answering truthfully will make you look like a moron, you pretend to go into troll mode, thinking you'll just deflect it and people will forget about it?
It's funny how you think it's just lately.
Methais
08-02-2013, 07:01 PM
It's funny how you think it's just lately.
Let me clarify...he's been in overdrive with it lately.
Why is it lately that when someone asks you a valid question that you know answering truthfully will make you look like a moron, you pretend to go into troll mode, thinking you'll just deflect it and people will forget about it?
I'm just doing to PB what he does to me. I've answered all of your questions truthfully. Not that you or anyone deserves a response. I'm not obligated to answer jack shit. So if you don't like that then you can stomp around and pee your pants all you want.
PS. If dangling a question you hope I will answer the way you want me to isn't trolling I do not know what is.
Methais
08-02-2013, 07:24 PM
I'm just doing to PB what he does to me. I've answered all of your questions truthfully. Not that you or anyone deserves a response. I'm not obligated to answer jack shit. So if you don't like that then you can stomp around and pee your pants all you want.
Yes we get it, you follow the same pattern every time. After you try to deflect a question and are called out on it, we get the "I don't have to answer your questions!" post.
One thing I am curious about though is...
PS. If dangling a question you hope I will answer the way you want me to isn't trolling I do not know what is.
How is the following quote considered what you just described?
Do you consider an entry level position with McDonalds as a minimum wage position?
How is the following quote considered what you just described?
You, TG01 and some others do it all the time. When you don't hear what you want you break out the "diversion" claim.
For the past year PB responds to my posts with facepalm gifs rather than have a discussion. How would you respond to someone like that?
You guys can't even keep up with a conversation, have serious comprehension issues, and are notorious trolls. Its fucking stupid even trying to answer you guys questions because you wont understand anyway. What happens is you work ass backward from a dumb assumption then get lost in your own arguments when it does not go your way.
Tgo01
08-02-2013, 07:36 PM
You, TG01 and some others do it all the time. When you don't hear what you want you break out the "diversion" claim.
Links?
For the past year PB responds to my posts with facepalm gifs rather than have a discussion. How would you respond to someone like that?
Its fucking stupid even trying to answer you guys questions because you wont understand anyway.
Gee, can't possibly imagine why PB answers you with facepalm gifs.
You guys can't even keep up with a conversation, have serious comprehension issues, and are notorious trolls.
Talk about irony. No really, talk about irony because reading anymore of your inane drivel might give me an aneurysm.
Latrinsorm
08-02-2013, 08:03 PM
Man it would be awesome if Terrence and Matthais were each named Link IRL, then you could answer "yes". Can you believe that behindthename.com doesn't even consider Link a name? Fascists.
Tgo01
08-02-2013, 08:06 PM
Man it would be awesome if Terrence and Matthais were each named Link IRL, then you could answer "yes". Can you believe that behindthename.com doesn't even consider Link a name? Fascists.
Maybe my name is Link in real life. Is that so hard to believe?
Now if you'll excuse me I have a triforce to forge and a princess to save.
Latrinsorm
08-02-2013, 08:09 PM
Forge a triforce (sic)? Forge? Terrence, I have never been more disgusted by you.
Tgo01
08-02-2013, 08:12 PM
What you gonna do 'bout it tough guy? Make me listen to crappy music?
Parkbandit
08-02-2013, 08:13 PM
For the past year PB responds to my posts with facepalm gifs rather than have a discussion. How would you respond to someone like that?
http://cdn.arwrath.com/7/74910.gif
http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/glenn-beck-crying.gif
Methais
08-02-2013, 08:25 PM
You, TG01 and some others do it all the time. When you don't hear what you want you break out the "diversion" claim.
It's not because we don't hear what we want, unless you consider getting a straight answer as what we want, as opposed to the diversion bullshit that you break out.
For the past year PB responds to my posts with facepalm gifs rather than have a discussion. How would you respond to someone like that?
Why do you think he does that?
You guys can't even keep up with a conversation, have serious comprehension issues, and are notorious trolls. Its fucking stupid even trying to answer you guys questions because you wont understand anyway. What happens is you work ass backward from a dumb assumption then get lost in your own arguments when it does not go your way.
http://zestforveracity.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/irony-tshirt-logo-hr.jpg
Parkbandit
12-11-2013, 07:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr2LCTdIzd4
This is what happens when you don't have science actually on your side.. you have to resort to scaring children.
Tgo01
12-11-2013, 07:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr2LCTdIzd4
This is what happens when you don't have science actually on your side.. you have to resort to scaring children.
Well to be fair who better to deliver a mythical message than a mythical figure?
NinjasLeadTheWay
12-11-2013, 08:03 PM
Climate Change And Violence Linked (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/01/climate-change-and-violence_n_3692023.html)
See, the oil companies know that we are causing climate change. But this works out for them in the long run because of their ties with the defense industry. More oil = more CO2 = hotter planet = more violence = more need for weapons = profit!
It's easy to say that if you completely ignore science.
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