Ensorcell LimitBreaker

[rolfard]

My lab partner and I have done extensive testing and hypothesize the following (we are not stating conclusions, only observed evidence);

After workshop, max spirit, and perfect health are established, Sorcerer spell ranks are the MOST significant variable. This is followed by Wisdom and Intuition and then secondary skills. While the tests were not conclusive, our evidence suggests that INT and WIS are added bonus' and secondary skills act as a multiplier. You may make your own inferences about padding and enchanting in the following test pieces.

Rolfard

Tested:

+50 planar bane T5 - YES
+47 20 point weighted with flaring bane T1 - YES
+35 10 pointed weighted self mana ewave T1 - YES
+50 20 point padded/weighted T1 - YES
+50 15 point padded/weighted T2 - YES
+35 20 point weighted splitter - YES
+35 ~27 points weighted bastardsword - YES (barely)
+32 double strike flaring, MoC trip flaring, fire flares on trolls (oldstyle?) - YES
+30 chainspear - YES
+40 10 point weighted T3 - YES
+35 20 point unlocked splitting axe T1 - YES

+0 30 points dull claidhmore (from hobs) - YES

+0 40 points claidhmore/claidhaxe/claidhmattock - NO
+20 30 points mattock - NO
+20 zelnorn - NO
+25 zelnorn - NO

+18 30 point weighted mattock (black ash mattock) - RESISTS
+30 30 point padded full plate (old) - RESISTS
+30 30 point padded full plate v. 2 (old) - RESISTS

kroderine and pure coraesine - RESISTS

For all tests under LIMITBREAKER; YES means within range, NO means "beyond abilities" message, RESISTS means no reading

[Ardwen]

will see ya on Teras later

[Jace Solo]

Are claids workable at all or left out of the system? I have a 3x glaes

[rolfard]

That was a big letdown when I saw that 0x claidhs were still not ensorcellable.

[Buckwheet]

Would you like to try on a claid weighted mattock to see if the result is tied to the noun versus the weighting?

[rolfard]

Failed on a claidh-weighted greataxe but willing to try a mattock too. Testing will continue until my buyer's patience runs out and I complete a T5 for him before fixskilling back to mundane Rolfard

[Thondalar]

So even at max skills (and enhancives?) it's not possible to ensorcel the very top end stuff? I guess that makes sense. Still kinda sucks though.


-Thond

[Donquix]

I'm just enjoying reading the list of test subjects.

+50 planar bane

y u no undead bane?

[Archigeek]

I have a couple things you can try when I get home.

[neimanz1]

I offer limitbreaker ensorcelling for insane prices. currently have a t-3 available and t-5 next sunday . If you require such service let me know what you need done and price you willing to pay.

2x miu
2x AS
2x Emc
2x smc
303 sorcerer spells

[rolfard]

...and if you act now (in hijacking my thread to post a sale), you can also include you may borrow all my enhancives for +40 to WIS and +40 to INT! (for a nominal fee)

[rolfard]

bump, updated first post

[Fallen]

Good on you guys for keeping track of this information and leaving it up for all to use.

[Aluvius]

I'm gonna try to name my black ash mattock Limitbreaker at rtcf :)

Too bad it resists, those were from a one off shop from the mid 90's that just appeared in TS SE one day with no warning, I think it was a hole in the ground or something like that. It also had mithril claids off the shelf and a buncha padded armor, I remember going nuts and buying multiples of stuff before it disappeared being one of the first people inside it. I think the mithril claids were limited. Anyway as I speculated with you about it and the old armor that sometimes item creators did odd things back then with breakage in mind, ie that annealing process and such. I can't recall ever having had any work done to it though other than lightening it.

Edited to add: Although I do remember once getting a service done on something that added weight to items and upped their str/dur numbers for breakage. Huh, its been so long that I can't remember now. No clue if it was on the mattock or something else. Be interesting to see if another one gave the same results, I think there's a few still floating around.

[caelric]

As a note, in Plat, I got a 7x hcw perfect greatsword made into a blink weapon (yes, 7x perfect hcw blink can all fit on one weapon), and my capped sorc had no issues with the T1 ensorcell, but on the T2 ensorcell, it was 'better odds than not' or whatever that 50ish% is. My T3 ensorcell is coming up, and I imagine that is going to be a difficult one. However, my capped sorc is only 100 ranks in sorc spells, so obviously not near the max for that. If I can get it up to T4, I will probably save up enough necrojuice for T5, fixskill into a perfect ensorcell build, and then fixskill back to my regular build.

Just a little threadjack.

[rolfard]

My regular spell build (162 67 74) is a very viable setup for a sorcerer and maximizes CS while supporting very difficult ensorcelling. I highly recommend it.

[caelric]

My sorc is....different. He's a THW swinger and is not yet 3x in spells; once I max out CM, I will get back to working on spells.

[thefarmer]

+18 30 point weighted mattock (black ash mattock) - RESISTS
+30 30 point padded full plate (old) - RESISTS
+30 30 point padded full plate v. 2 (old) - RESISTS

kroderine and pure coraesine - RESISTS


I'm gonna try to name my black ash mattock Limitbreaker at rtcf :)

Too bad it resists, those were from a one off shop from the mid 90's that just appeared in TS SE one day with no warning, I think it was a hole in the ground or something like that. It also had mithril claids off the shelf and a buncha padded armor, I remember going nuts and buying multiples of stuff before it disappeared being one of the first people inside it. I think the mithril claids were limited. Anyway as I speculated with you about it and the old armor that sometimes item creators did odd things back then with breakage in mind, ie that annealing process and such. I can't recall ever having had any work done to it though other than lightening it.


For this, and the other items that resist, it most likely has nothing to do with the sorcerer's skills or the properties (weighting/enchants). Or that there's weird things in the code dealing with breakage. It just means that the "Magic Yes/No" flag on the item has been set to "No". Meaning player enchanting and ensorcelling aren't going to work.

For most of that stuff the 'No Magic' flag hasn't come up since player enchanting was already ruled out due to weighting/padding and nobody noticed.

[nindon]

My regular spell build (162 67 74) is a very viable setup for a sorcerer and maximizes CS while supporting very difficult ensorcelling. I highly recommend it.

That was my setup for a long time, until somebody alerted me to another combination that yields the same CS. I'm aware of four combinations that give max sorcerer CS. Here they are in order from my favorite to my least favorite:

Sor/MnE/MnS
162/77/64
162/74/67
162/73/68
163/73/67

The fist one gives you that last annoying point of bolt AS. The last three are really all the same thing (162/73/67 plus an extra spell rank to go wherever you want). Using one of the last three, you could theoretically get max sorcerer CS with only 302 ranks, but who in good conscience could train to 302 and then stop?

Edit: I assume you listed your ranks of 162/67/74 in order of Sor/MnS/MnE.

[loxe]

anyone try ensorcelling a chainspear yet?

[rolfard]

Chainspear - YES