I've always hated bicyclists...

[Tgo01]

And this guy just gave me more reason to. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/23/bicyclist-chris-bucchere-manslaughter_n_3640947.html)


A bicyclist pleaded guilty to vehicular manslaughter after running down a 71-year-old pedestrian in what San Francisco's top prosecutor said Tuesday appeared to be the first such conviction of its kind in the nation.

Under the unusual plea deal last week, Chris Bucchere, 37, would not serve any jail time and instead would be sentenced to three years of probation and sentenced to 1,000 hours of community service in the death of Sutchi Hui of San Bruno, District Attorney George Gascon said.

"Our goal is to send a message to cyclists about safety," Gasc�n said. "Just because you are riding a bicycle doesn't mean all bets are off. All of the rules of the road that apply to everyone else apply to you, too."

A software engineer from San Francisco, Bucchere had been riding recklessly and had run three red lights when he struck Hui as he and his wife crossed a street in the Castro District on March 29, 2012, prosecutors said.

Hui died four days later of injuries from the collision. His wife was not hurt.

Bucchere's attorney, Ted Cassman, did not immediately return calls seeking comment. Hui's family has filed a civil suit against Bucchere regarding the fatality.

Gascon said the victim's family did not want to see Bucchere incarcerated and prosecutors did not think a judge would sentence him to jail time, so they offered probation and community service in the plea deal.

Gascon added that they did not want to risk a possible not guilty verdict at a trial.

"We believe this is the best outcome for this type of case," he said.

Gascon said his office had done research and didn't find any other cases in which a prosecutor had obtained a manslaughter conviction against a bicyclist.

"To our knowledge, we believe it is the first in the nation," he said.

The incident drew widespread attention and criticism after Bucchere, while hospitalized with his injuries, posted his thoughts on the Mission Cycling AM Riders Google group.

Gascon said prosecutors argued during a preliminary hearing in March that the post did not show any remorse, as defense lawyers had argued.

"It gave us a window into his state of mind at the time," Gascon said.

Bucchere said in the posting that the traffic light was turning yellow as he approached the intersection.

"I was already way too committed to stop ... I couldn't see a line through the crowd and I couldn't stop, so I laid it down and just plowed through the crowded crosswalk in the least-populated place I could find," the post said.

It later added, "I hope he ends up OK," an apparent reference to Hui.

Bucchere is scheduled to be sentenced on Aug. 16. A Superior Court judge could determine in six months if his conviction can be reduced to a misdemeanor.

So he was "too committed" to stop so instead of, y'know, TRYING, or at the very least slow down as much as possible, he admits he "laid it down" and "plowed through" the crosswalk, which ended up killing a man.

This honestly doesn't surprise me though. From what I've witnessed from my short time on this Earth is that most bicyclists are pieces of shit.

ETA: Oh yeah and for a TL;DR, he ended up killing someone and was sentenced to a whopping 3 years probation and 1000 hours of community service. After all, he was just "too committed" to stop or slow down, really it was the guy's fault for walking.

[Back]

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. I sense much fear in you.

[Taelinn]

As a pedestrian in San Francisco every day, I have personally noticed how little regard bicyclists have for pedestrian safety, particularly at intersections of Embarcadero (connects tourist area with Financial District). I've had bicyclists in the midst of running red lights slam their brakes to a stop inches in front of me, or veer to the left or right of me as they're going too fast to stop. It's quite frankly terrifying.

[Gelston]

So if a car does it, you get jail time, if a bicycle does it it is probation.San Francisco is obviously on a new campaign to get more people riding bikes.

[Tenlaar]

I don't know how fast this guy was going, but I used to know a guy who was serious about bike riding. He rode his bike from Richmond, VA to somewhere in Louisiana. He could easily roll along at over 30 MPH. I understand that it's not likely to change anybody's mind, but staying the course and trying to squeeze through a hole could very well have been the safest thing to attempt in the situation.

I mean, would you feel better if he had tried to stop, fishtailed, and took out both elderly people?

[Tgo01]

I mean, would you feel better if he had tried to stop, fishtailed, and took out both elderly people?

I refuse to believe if this man was riding safely considering the car and pedestrian traffic that the safest course of action was to "lay it down" and "plow through the crosswalk."

Would we be giving the guy behind the wheel of an 18 wheeler the benefit of the doubt if he was doing 55 in a 50 zone when the roads were really icy and his excuse was "Well...I didn't want to hit my brakes and risk losing control on the ice so I just said 'fuck it!' and kept on going."

[Delias]

San Fran has a "lay it down" law which makes it emphatically clear that the cyclist was under no obligation to check his advance or retreat in any way.

[Tenlaar]

I refuse to believe if this man was riding safely considering the car and pedestrian traffic that the safest course of action was to "lay it down" and "plow through the crosswalk."

I didn't say he was riding safely. If he was riding safely obviously he would have had time to stop. I'm saying don't focus on the wrong part of the situation when, already being in the bad situation that he should not have been in, he may have acted in an appropriate manner for said bad situation that he shouldn't have been in to begin with.

[AnticorRifling]

Had the victim been wearing a hoodie this would be a much bigger deal.

[AnticorRifling]

I didn't say he was riding safely. If he was riding safely obviously he would have had time to stop. I'm saying don't focus on the wrong part of the situation when, already being in the bad situation that he should not have been in, he may have acted in an appropriate manner for said bad situation that he shouldn't have been in to begin with.

He was wrong regardless. He didn't make a "right or appropriate decision" because he, and he alone, put himself in the situation by acting like a fuck ass.

[Atlanteax]

I really wish bicyclists would stick to the sidewalks when they are available, vs staying on the road and making it difficult to pass them.

[Taernath]

Always hated the ones who switch between car and pedestrian versions of traffic laws whenever it suits them. 'Oh I have a red light? I'll just use this crosswalk!"

[Tenlaar]

He was wrong regardless. He didn't make a "right or appropriate decision" because he, and he alone, put himself in the situation by acting like a fuck ass.

Surely you are not denying the simple fact that in the course of a situation brought about by a bad decision, other good decisions can still be made.

[AnticorRifling]

Of course not, but I'm not saying "Well at least he didn't smoke two people" as validation for killing one.

[Paradii]

As a pedestrian in San Francisco every day, I have personally noticed how little regard bicyclists have for pedestrian safety, particularly at intersections of Embarcadero (connects tourist area with Financial District). I've had bicyclists in the midst of running red lights slam their brakes to a stop inches in front of me, or veer to the left or right of me as they're going too fast to stop. It's quite frankly terrifying.

I see the same piss poor behavior from people driving cars. Stop with the witch hunt. People are the problem, not the mode of transportation.

[Shabar Shabaz]

I really wish bicyclists would stick to the sidewalks when they are available, vs staying on the road and making it difficult to pass them.

This is actually illegal in quite a few places and is less safe for cyclists.

[Paradii]

This is actually illegal in quite a few places and is less safe for cyclists.

Riding on the sidewalk should only be done when the road is unsafe. And the argument that it is too hard to pass them is such bullshit. If you can't pass them, you can't pass them. Just like every other vehicle on the road.

[crb]

I hate it when cyclists ride on the sidewalk while I'm walking/running/pushing a stroller/walking with my kids WHEN THERE IS A FUCKING BIKE LANE 3 FEET AWAY STUPID PIECES OF SHIT.

Sometimes I feel like sticking a stick between their spokes.

Also, hippy San Fran doesn't have dedicated bike lanes?

Also, 3 years probation? Granted he is going to be financially ruined by the civil suit but still. That is really weak for killing someone, I also don't buy his story. It was turning yellow but the crosswalk was already crowded? Assuming people weren't jaywalking it should have been an empty crosswalk until just after the light turned red. This guy is a giant douchebag and should have his nuts cut off.

[AnticorRifling]

Riding on the sidewalk should only be done when the road is unsafe. And the argument that it is too hard to pass them is such bullshit. If you can't pass them, you can't pass them. Just like every other vehicle on the road.

Agreed.

I also give bikes a buffer between me and them just like I do any other vehicle. People that tailgate on a bike are just waiting to cause a wreck and they're idiots.

[Slamy]

Actually the law is that cyclist ride on the street with cars: And that they obey the same laws as cars. I've been riding bikes since about 1984 and raced some in high school. I don't know how many thousands of miles I've logged on the road. I did about 6500 miles last year. It's one of those things. You try and obey the laws but some people just have so much hate that they have to wait a few seconds to pass. Just try and remember that the people on the bikes are not obstacles, but dad's, brothers, sons, daughters, sister and moms. A lot of cities have been adding bike lanes which are nice and safer. It would be good for America if more people exercised and got out there. I think more would ride bikes but there is a safety issue with cars on the road.

[Paradii]

So if a car does it, you get jail time, if a bicycle does it it is probation.San Francisco is obviously on a new campaign to get more people riding bikes.

"Vehicular manslaughter can be charged as a misdemeanor (minor crime with a maximum punishment of a year in county jail or only a fine) or a felony punishable by a term in state prison, depending on the circumstances. Gross negligence or driving a few miles over the speed limit might be charged as misdemeanor vehicular manslaughter, but drunk driving resulting in a fatality is most likely treated as felony vehicular manslaughter. Death of a passenger, including a loved one or friend, can be vehicular manslaughter if caused by illegal driving."

Source: http://www.criminal-law-lawyer-source.com/terms/vehicular.html

I dunno, sounds like this ruling isn't without precedent. Gross negligence can lead to sentence of community service in vehicles.

[Taelinn]

I see the same piss poor behavior from people driving cars. Stop with the witch hunt. People are the problem, not the mode of transportation.

In SF, the douchery skews bicycle. It's particularly noticeable at critical mass (bicycle share the lane awareness event).

[Back]

I see the same piss poor behavior from people driving cars. Stop with the witch hunt. People are the problem, not the mode of transportation.

You noticed that too. The mentality of the OP does not surprise me though. If one individual of a group does something wrong then the entire group must be just as bad.

It would be better to focus your anger or hate on ways to find solutions to problems rather than misdirecting your anger at others.

[Shabar Shabaz]

That is really weak for killing someone, I also don't buy his story. It was turning yellow but the crosswalk was already crowded? Assuming people weren't jaywalking it should have been an empty crosswalk until just after the light turned red.

I bike to work in NYC and this happens a lot more than you'd think. Pedestrians don't see any cars coming so they walk out into the street to cross - right in front of a bike. And it only takes one person to start crossing for everyone else on the sidewalk to blindly follow them into the street without looking. Jaywalking is much more common than you'd think.

[Tenlaar]

Of course not, but I'm not saying "Well at least he didn't smoke two people" as validation for killing one.

Neither is anybody else. Reported.

[Paradii]

In SF, the douchery skews bicycle. It's particularly noticeable at critical mass (bicycle share the lane awareness event).

Get your anecdotal bullshit out of here.

As the SF Bay Guardian (http://www.sfbg.com/politics/2012/04/05/was-cyclist-who-killed-pedestrian-reckless) pointed out, from 2000 to 2009, 220 pedestrians were killed in San Francisco, mostly by car drivers who rarely face criminal charges. None of those deaths are known to have involved bicycles. Media attention, however, seems to have focused on the two fatal bicycle crashes that occurred within the last year, and their reports rarely provide the statistics about traffic deaths in San Francisco. (Some of the more dramatic cases, like the Concord driver who ran over a family biking on the sidewalk (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/07/MNSE1O0DCI.DTL) this weekend, killing two, tend to garner more media attention.)

[Showal]

I just hate cyclists. I had one asshole riding through town in front of me with his son, he spent a good 3 minutes turned sideways pointing at his kid to alert me to him. I was going 7 mph because his son was 8 and was just riding behind him. How about you pull over and let the car go? And in Boston, these lunatics love to dart in and out of traffic and swerve in front of you on the rotaries or where traffic is already packed. Then they love to white line when there's traffic and get in the front of the line of cars at traffic lights. So the light turns green and you have some asshole on a bike slowly approaching their top speed of 15-20 mph and slowing down a whole line of cars. I can't stand them.

I get it, I really do. I understand that riding a bike can be fun and a great exercise, but most roads are simply not safe for bikes. And riding a bike like a lunatic is even worse. This is more of an infrastructure issue, but a lot of cyclists don't help the situation at all.

[Taelinn]

Get your anecdotal bullshit out of here.

As the SF Bay Guardian (http://www.sfbg.com/politics/2012/04/05/was-cyclist-who-killed-pedestrian-reckless) pointed out, from 2000 to 2009, 220 pedestrians were killed in San Francisco, mostly by car drivers who rarely face criminal charges. None of those deaths are known to have involved bicycles. Media attention, however, seems to have focused on the two fatal bicycle crashes that occurred within the last year, and their reports rarely provide the statistics about traffic deaths in San Francisco. (Some of the more dramatic cases, like the Concord driver who ran over a family biking on the sidewalk (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/07/MNSE1O0DCI.DTL) this weekend, killing two, tend to garner more media attention.)






I was speaking more subjectively of non-fatal experience related to running lights - in my experience, including while I was reading your response, you can witness dozens of near misses and lights run. I'm not anti-bicyclist, most cyclists I know will admit it's an issue here. I actually thank people who stop at the crosswalk on a red.

[Paradii]

I just hate cyclists. I had one asshole riding through town in front of me with his son, he spent a good 3 minutes turned sideways pointing at his kid to alert me to him. I was going 7 mph because his son was 8 and was just riding behind him. How about you pull over and let the car go? And in Boston, these lunatics love to dart in and out of traffic and swerve in front of you on the rotaries or where traffic is already packed. Then they love to white line when there's traffic and get in the front of the line of cars at traffic lights. So the light turns green and you have some asshole on a bike slowly approaching their top speed of 15-20 mph and slowing down a whole line of cars. I can't stand them.

I get it, I really do. I understand that riding a bike can be fun and a great exercise, but most roads are simply not safe for bikes. And riding a bike like a lunatic is even worse. This is more of an infrastructure issue, but a lot of cyclists don't help the situation at all.

I just hate car drivers. I had this one asshole riding through town in front of me on his cellphone, he spend a good 3 minutes swerving in and out of his lane with no regard for other users of the road. I was going 15 mph because he was not paying any attention. How about you pull over and take the call? And in Reno, these lunatics like to merge without yielding and swerve in front of you when the road is already packed. Then they love hang out in the bike lane at traffic lights so I cannot get to the front of the line at traffic lights. So the light turns green and you have some asshole turning right directly into you because they don't check their mirrors. I can't stand them.

I get it, I really do. People need a mode of transportation, but most roads are not safe for drivers. And driving like a lunatic is even worse. This is more of an infrastructure issue, but a lot of drivers don't help the situation at all.




Does my anecdotal bullshit equal yours?

[Taernath]

Personal story time?

About 5 years ago in San Francisco, I was in the right hand lane going straight with a huge ass truck on my left. Couldn't see past him. Light turns green, I start going, and a cyclist plows into my driver's side door. He starts screaming about how he's going to sue me for everything I own until the police come and determine it was his fault for running the red light. No damage to my car.

Another time in Germany, I was parked in an M1117 in a loading zone on the left hand side of a one-way street that made a sharp blind turn to the left. A pair of cyclists come flying around the corner, and one smacks into my vehicle head on. A few seconds later he gets up, gives me a shaky wave, and staggers off. I felt bad for him, that had to have hurt, but it's a good thing I wasn't moving.

[NinjasLeadTheWay]

I hate cyclists too. I had one take off my passenger side rearview mirror while I was stationary at a red light and he turned and gave me the finger like it was my fault. Since then I have gone out of my way to block the bicycle lane every chance I get when making a right turn. Fuck them.

[Androidpk]

One of my favorite Hank Moody moments.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8B3Vqupy0U

[Tgo01]

Anyone ever walked on those trails some cities build for people to walk or ride on? Ever notice if you're walking along minding your own business some guy on a bike will come along and scream at you to move out of his way? The best part is when there is a group of them and the lead guy will yell at you to get off the trial altogether so the group can pass without having to bother slowing down, cause y'know slowing down on a bicycle is for losers.

[AnticorRifling]

Here cyclists are pretty good about slowing down and saying on your left. I've never had an issue out on the Monon.

[Paradii]

Anyone ever walked on those trails some cities build for people to walk or ride on? Ever notice if you're walking along minding your own business some guy on a bike will come along and scream at you to move out of his way? The best part is when there is a group of them and the lead guy will yell at you to get off the trial altogether so the group can pass without having to bother slowing down, cause y'know slowing down on a bicycle is for losers.

People bitch at cyclists when they can't pass them on roads, people bitch at cyclists when cyclists try to pass them on trails. You guys are too much.

[Tgo01]

I don't think I've ever refused to slow down for a cyclist and just kept honking my horn in an effort to get them to drive into the ditch so I didn't run them over.

I guess it's possible I did though, I am a dick.

[Paradii]

I don't think I've ever refused to slow down for a cyclist and just kept honking my horn in an effort to get them to drive into the ditch so I didn't run them over.

I guess it's possible I did though, I am a dick.

Okay captain hyperbole. I've been run off the road while obeying the laws as a cyclist. So we are back to my original point, people using their respective mode of transportation incorrectly are the problem. You point your finger at cyclists being the problem because from an automobile, the ones that disobey the law are more noticeable. Whereas from my viewpoint, as a cyclist, people in cars disobeying the law (running red lights, illegal lane shifts, poor mirror control, speeding) are more noticeable.

[Showal]

I just hate car drivers. I had this one asshole riding through town in front of me on his cellphone, he spend a good 3 minutes swerving in and out of his lane with no regard for other users of the road. I was going 15 mph because he was not paying any attention. How about you pull over and take the call? And in Reno, these lunatics like to merge without yielding and swerve in front of you when the road is already packed. Then they love hang out in the bike lane at traffic lights so I cannot get to the front of the line at traffic lights. So the light turns green and you have some asshole turning right directly into you because they don't check their mirrors. I can't stand them.

I get it, I really do. People need a mode of transportation, but most roads are not safe for drivers. And driving like a lunatic is even worse. This is more of an infrastructure issue, but a lot of drivers don't help the situation at all.




Does my anecdotal bullshit equal yours?

Anecdotes are one way we learn, so let's not be so quick to dismiss. I guess the biggest difference between our stories is the road was built for cars. If a car was on the sidewalk swerving on the phone, it'd be comparable.

[Showal]

I don't think I've ever refused to slow down for a cyclist and just kept honking my horn in an effort to get them to drive into the ditch so I didn't run them over.

I guess it's possible I did though, I am a dick.

Remember that one cyclist that was approaching a crowded crosswalk and decided the best course of action was to bear down and speed through the crowd and ended up killing someone?

[Tisket]

People bitch at cyclists when they can't pass them on roads, people bitch at cyclists when cyclists try to pass them on trails. You guys are too much.

If it's any consolation, you'll probably outlive all the assholes in cars. Bikers might be assholes too but they are fit assholes.

[Tgo01]

If it's any consolation, you'll probably outlive all the assholes in cars. Bikers might be assholes too but they are fit assholes.

This man agrees.

http://manishkamdar.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/fat-cyclist.jpg

[Tgo01]

Remember that one cyclist that was approaching a crowded crosswalk and decided the best course of action was to bear down and speed through the crowd and ended up killing someone?

Get out of here! That didn't happen!

[Showal]

If it's any consolation, you'll probably outlive all the assholes in cars. Bikers might be assholes too but they are fit assholes.

They certainly live longer then the pedestrians they murder in cold blood, premeditated.

[Taernath]

Read this the other day. It might be true, might not be, but it was interesting and applies tangentially to the discussion.

http://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/the-invention-of-jaywalking-was-a-massive-shaming-campa-858926923

[Tisket]

This man agrees.

http://manishkamdar.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/fat-cyclist.jpg

Please don't make me google image search all the fat people in their cars driving with one hand while eating McDonalds.

[Showal]

Please don't make me google image search all the fat people in their cars driving with one hand while eating McDonalds.

Get out of here you fucking bike lover

[Tgo01]

Please don't make me google image search all the fat people in their cars driving with one hand while eating McDonalds.

DO IT!

[Gelston]

I remember back when I was the Sergeant of the Guard at this small tucked away place on base at the top of this hill, tons of bicyclist used to always try to ride in. I guess someone had let them in before, but they weren't supposed to. They used to try every day to get in, and I used to tell them every day that they can't come in. They'd complain so loudly and ask them what right I had to refuse them. Bunch of assholes.

[Taernath]

http://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/p712/dtbrown082/bike_zpsc7bf5e31.jpg

[Showal]

I remember back when I was the Sergeant of the Guard at this small tucked away place on base at the top of this hill, tons of bicyclist used to always try to ride in. I guess someone had let them in before, but they weren't supposed to. They used to try every day to get in, and I used to tell them every day that they can't come in. They'd complain so loudly and ask them what right I had to refuse them. Bunch of assholes.

Careful. Paradii might repeat what you said and replace "bicyclists" with "car drivers". You need to prepare for it.

[Gelston]

Hah, I can count on one hand how many cars ever came up there. And they never tried to argue with me or my guards to get inside.

[Paradii]

Anecdotes are one way we learn, so let's not be so quick to dismiss. I guess the biggest difference between our stories is the road was built for cars. If a car was on the sidewalk swerving on the phone, it'd be comparable.

What do you mean roads were built for cars? Roads were built for transportation of people and goods. They did not spring up after cars, they were only modified to handle their load.

[Gelston]

What do you mean roads were built for cars? Roads were built for transportation of people and goods. They did not spring up after cars, they were only modified to handle their load.Not originally, but I am pretty sure the current road systems were built specifically for cars. With traffic signs, speed limits, lights, the size, and other markings.

[Showal]

What do you mean roads were built for cars? Roads were built for transportation of people and goods. They did not spring up after cars, they were only modified to handle their load.

Haha ok yes, you can certainly look at it that way. Then what's the point in dedicating a bike lane? Can people use their feet to transport themselves via walking in the middle of the road? Yes, I guess they can, but you're being willfully ignorant to advance your own point if you think roads are paved and maintained for bikes.

[Tgo01]

Roman legions built roads so they could get reinforcements quicker while invading an enemy territory. We are setting ourselves up to be invaded!

[Gelston]

Roman legions built roads so they could get reinforcements quicker while invading an enemy territory. We are setting ourselves up to be invaded!Look at the original purpose of the Interstate Highway system.

[Showal]

Look at the original purpose of the Interstate Highway system.

Transportation of people and goods via bicycle.

[Tgo01]

Look at the original purpose of the Interstate Highway system.

Fuck! Why are we making things so easy for Russia? Or Rome?

[Taernath]

Fuck! Why are we making things so easy for Russia? Or Rome?

Welcome to Obama's America.

[Latrinsorm]

So if a car does it, you get jail time, if a bicycle does it it is probation.San Francisco is obviously on a new campaign to get more people riding bikes.And if a gun does it you get off scott free HEYOOOOOO.
That is really weak for killing someone, I also don't buy his story.Surprise surprise, when it's a non-Hispanic white you don't buy his story.
Here cyclists are pretty good about slowing down and saying on your left. I've never had an issue out on the Monon.To be fair, though, Terrence never played center for the Seahawks.

[Atlanteax]

http://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/p712/dtbrown082/bike_zpsc7bf5e31.jpg

"How I actually am" is *right on the mark*

Fun times, on a two-lane road/street, with sufficient traffic in the other lane to deter any attempts at passing.
(nothing like a few miles of 10-15 mph, in a 35/45 zone, due to the above)

[Mohrgan]

Man...sometimes having to drive a little slower for a little while really pisses you guys off, huh?

[Tgo01]

Man...sometimes having to drive a little slower for a little while really pisses you guys off, huh?

Are you asking car drivers or bicycle drivers?

[Latrinsorm]

If you call someone who hates based on race a racist, would you call someone who hates based on bicycles a bicyclist?

[Ker_Thwap]

I hate car drivers and bike drivers equally, but only the stupid ones, which is probably around 50%.

True story, I was driving home this evening with my hot pastrami sub singing it's sweet siren song to me from the passenger seat. Going down a big hill in a 35 mph zone, this idiot in a pickup refused to pass the bike going 20. Two miles, no traffic in the other direction refused to pass the bike. Then nearer to my house where the speed limit is 25, I had to slow to 7 mph because a bike was putting along, the car in the other direction slowed to about 5 mph so I couldn't safely pass the bike. It only slowed me for about 15 seconds, but it wasn't the bikes fault, it was the idiot in the car trying to be helpful.

People are just idiots.

[Showal]

Man...sometimes having to drive a little slower for a little while really pisses you guys off, huh?

It's not the driving slower as much as the having a person, completely unprotected on their bike, blow through a red light and come flying into the street at an intersection while I'm going 30 and forcing me to slam on the brakes so I don't hit them, then giving me the finger ... for what? I guess not hitting them. I should have just laid it down and aimed for the part of the bike that had the least amount of human in the way.

[Gelston]

And if a gun does it you get off scott free HEYOOOOOO..Well no. If he used his bicycle in self defense to prevent grievous bodily harm to himself or others, I'd be fine.

[Showal]

Well no. If he used his bicycle in self defense to prevent grievous bodily harm to himself or others, I'd be fine.

When he attacked him with his bike, I wonder if he honestly thought he was going to get raped because he was told "let's get it on"

[kutter]

http://manishkamdar.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/fat-cyclist.jpg

Spandex, it's a privilege, not a right!