Free buckwheet!

[SHAFT]

I have spoken with buckwheet and it is clear he was not aware that his actions would result in a ban from Lnet. Tillmen, I am asking you to release buckwheet. Buckwheet is not a direct threat to your cause and I feel this is a terrible misunderstanding.

If anyone else wishes to speak out in support of buckwheet, please do so here.

[Tisket]

Tillmen needs to grow a set. What a pussy.

[Whirlin]

I appreciate all of the work that Tillmen has done for us with his constant work and improvements on Lnet. I don't want to see him tied up in any personal drama via Lnet, PC, etc...

It's with that in mind that I've been preaching an unmoderated environment with only 1 rule: Don't bug Tillmen with interpersonal QQing, only technical questions regarding coding.

I'd like to see the recently series of bans released, and for Tillmen to get back to what he enjoys doing... Coding... and less getting involved with the shit we're all flinging in the world he created below.

[Tisket]

Kissass

[Jace Solo]

Now Tiskey. Whirlin has a point. Tillmen hn has been a driving force in why GS is still so heavily populated. I do agree though that the current situation seems overkill. I would also like to see these bannings redacted and for people not to bother Tillmen with unsolicited anything. Coding is one thing...QQing...no one wants to hear (that doesn't mean it should necessarily be bannable unless it detracts from the overall experience of the community on LNet.)

[Tisket]

He needs to take responsibility for his own reaction to drama by refusing to get involved. If something annoys him, it's because he let's it annoy him.

Which brings me back to my main point...he's being a pussy.

[Taernath]

No Buckwheet, no peace.

[Buckwheet]

While I appreciate the campaign, I have changed my IP address where I could, even where it cost me money. So I will have no idea if Tillmen undoes the IP ban at some later point in time.

I will say, based upon this experience, that nobody should be connecting to LNET without a modified copy of the script to not provide your character names. While so far it does not seem like my characters are being individually targeted, it does make me nervous that based on IP address Tillmen has a good portion of that information available to him.

Just another reason to try and keep your characters and PC personae/LNET personae to yourself.

[Gelston]

You could always petition the DR guys to port their thing to GS. It isn't free but it is supposedly pretty awesome.

[Rolton-Sammich]

http://i.imgur.com/l5yo1f9.jpg

[Tillmen]

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[SHAFT]

Thanks tillmen. I was being tongue and cheek about the whole free buckwheet thing. I use the PC to make myself laugh.

[Catts]

though I'm sure I'll get some more neg rep for being a kissass or something lol'ish, I'm sorry to hear that man

[Tisket]

KISSASSES!

[Parkbandit]

though I'm sure I'll get some more neg rep for being a kissass or something lol'ish, I'm sorry to hear that man

Rep is Serious business!

QQ less about it.

[diethx]

Sorry about your relative.

[Methais]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gSQg1i_q2g


Thanks tillmen. I was being tongue and cheek about the whole free buckwheet thing. I use the PC to make myself laugh.

Stop laughturbating so much!

[Buckwheet]

Altering the lnet script in order to troll anonymously is something I'll ban for. If that's the sort of thing you think is ok unless someone specifically tells you it's not, then fuck you.

That is all that was needed and that is all I was asking for. I even sent you a PM, which you decided to ignore, letting you know that it was me you banned. Not as in "its ME you banned bitch unlock me", but more like "hey what is going on with the ban".

I also was not trolling anonymously. Both Rozy and Huch knew it was me.

[diethx]

Did he ignore it, or did he not see it until he logged on for the day?

[Buckwheet]

Did he ignore it, or did he not see it until he logged on for the day?

I was PMing all day yesterday with people and did several transactions even though the post function was broken. Either way he could have ignore this post and PMed me back. Additionally I saw him on the forum yesterday active and tried chatting with him ON lnet which he also did not respond to.

Either way his "fuck you" post could have never been posted by simply letting me know it was a 24 hour ban.

[diethx]

He could have PM'd you assuming a) he saw it and, b) he wasn't too busy/disengaged to deal with it.

I don't know the situation but also neither do you, really. I do think that if you were going to be banned, that he should have told you it was a 24 hr ban and WHY you were banned. Then you wouldn't have had to PM and chat and make posts. That was a dumb move on his part.

[Buckwheet]

He could have PM'd you assuming a) he saw it and, b) he wasn't too busy/disengaged to deal with it.

I don't know the situation but also neither do you, really. I do think that if you were going to be banned, that he should have told you it was a 24 hr ban and WHY you were banned. Then you wouldn't have had to PM and chat and make posts. That was a dumb move on his part.

I don't know what it does for you but when I come to the forum a big window opens up saying you have new private messages. My point is that as of his post when the forum was fully functional...he could have responded to my PM instead of posting. He claims he didn't know it was me, and that is why there was no notification. That is understandable. I don't understand the not replying to my PM here when there are multiple indicators(the popup and the notifications number changing).

Also, he was reading the thread. How many OTHER people did he give IP bans to that you couldn't put 2 and 2 together to figure out the person you banned was me and then on your own initiative send me a message.

Overall I don't care anymore. People know now not troll people with different usernames in LNET. Problem solved.

I changed my IP addresses and was back on lnet last night. Someone else can worry about what they do that suddenly gets themselves IP banned.

[diethx]

You can turn the pop-up notification off, or at least you could on the old version of the forum.

And I do agree he should have initially told you why you were being banned, WHEN he instituted the ban. Either way, maybe he just didn't give a fuck. Maybe you pissed him off with your trolling shit and he basically wanted to let you stew in your own juices a bit and not deal with you. I can't say I blame him.

[Buckwheet]

Eh I was back online fairly quickly. So there was no stewing. His post clearly shows he doesn't give a fuck. His post clearly shows I pissed him off with my trolling of Rozy and Huch. His post simply shows clearly that he is pissed off in general.

People just know it now.

Edit: Maybe I should throw in there that I also am watching a family member die, as an excuse for my retarded behavior.

[Tenlaar]

People know now not troll people with different usernames in LNET. Problem solved.

If it took an IP ban for you to realize this, then guess what? You deserved an IP ban.

[Buckwheet]

If it took an IP ban for you to realize this, then guess what? You deserved an IP ban.

Considering it has been done before with no consequences and it only was an issue because it was towards Rozy....yup.

If it was a problem, Rozy could have said something to me directly or banned the username right then and there. Instead she played along like a good sport and it didn't seem to be an issue.

Same with Huch.

[SHAFT]

When buckwheet is being oppressed, this is what pops into my head. This is how I feel.


http://youtu.be/XWHOF_0-6Hg

[Tenlaar]

But other people were douchebags befoooooore!

Yeah, not buying it. If you don't want problems don't act like a douchebag.

[Rolton-Sammich]

Eh I was back online fairly quickly. So there was no stewing. His post clearly shows he doesn't give a fuck. His post clearly shows I pissed him off with my trolling of Rozy and Huch. His post simply shows clearly that he is pissed off in general.

People just know it now.

Edit: Maybe I should throw in there that I also am watching a family member die, as an excuse for my retarded behavior.

The difference that you might have missed is that someone dying is a pretty decent excuse for "not answering Buckwheet's extremely urgent and critical PMs on a broken website," but a bit of a shit excuse for "making all best efforts to be an asshat."

[Buckwheet]

What is your point? He had time to write his post but not time to respond to the PM instead? That doesn't make sense. Also he didn't say he was watching someone die yesterday when the forum recorded his activity he said he had to go watch them die today.

The whole point of what was going on Tenlaar was that other people acting like douchebags were not getting banned yet normal people were for just doing stuff they had always done. So how better to call into question their hypocritical bullshit? But doing said bullshit.

I fail the see the difference between trolling with a name called "Wizardmagic" or whatever character you roll up to log into lnet with to troll people or changing the script. Nobody in lnet can supposedly take action against your character because it "violates the rules". Tillmen said it was anonymous but it wasn't. The people I was trolling knew it was me.

[Paradii]

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110104222208AA0j4hV

[subzero]

You can turn the pop-up notification off, or at least you could on the old version of the forum.

People who cruise the internet while wearing a jimmy, like myself, had no idea there was ever such a thing as a pop-up PM notification. I also don't know what these ads are I hear people bitch about.

[Tenlaar]

The whole point of what was going on Tenlaar was that other people acting like douchebags were not getting banned yet normal people were for just doing stuff they had always done. So how better to call into question their hypocritical bullshit? But doing said bullshit.

The whole point of what was going on was that you decided you didn't like something and the correct avenue to address that was altering the lnet script and trolling people. You will find no sympathy from me, I am not a fan of douchetrolling.

Doing what you were doing removes any validity from your opinions. What you should have done was this: ;chat ::tilmen Hey, you got a second to talk about something?

[Gelston]

The whole point of what was going on was that you decided you didn't like something and the correct avenue to address that was altering the lnet script and trolling people. You will find no sympathy from me, I am not a fan of douchetrolling.

Doing what you were doing removes any validity from your opinions. What you should have done was this: ;chat ::tilmen Hey, you got a second to talk about something?

In your opinion it removes validity from his opinions.

[diethx]

People who cruise the internet while wearing a jimmy, like myself, had no idea there was ever such a thing as a pop-up PM notification. I also don't know what these ads are I hear people bitch about.

Ads?? On the PC??? What nonsense is this?

Also, Buckwheet, you're cruising under the assumption that you mean more than zero shits to Tillmen. Maybe he had time to respond to you and just didn't care to because you were acting like a douche. Just sayin'.

[Gelston]

Douche has been used more in this thread then in the collective vaginas of every women on Earth, past and present.

[Sherlock]

Bitching about a service that's provided to you for absolutely free is ridiculous. Also who gives a shit if he didn't respond to you? He isn't a customer service rep. He didn't NEED to respond to you. Think about the countless times people ask questions to GM's on the officials and they don't care to respond and you're paying for that service.

To me this is like like getting a blow job and then bitching she didn't swallow. Be happy you got the blow job in the first place. Next time just swallow your own cum.

[Buckwheet]

So first of all I didn't start this thread or ask for it to be started. I was looking forward to talking with Tillmen about it. I am not looking for people to be of like mind on the situation as there already are many people of like mind and they already understand that I was trying to point out the hypocrisy in which the channel was being moderated. I have since untuned to lnet so I don't know if it continues.

So here are my points, valid to you or not, many people seem to agree with the general stance.

1. There is no difference between modifying the script and logging in with a character few or anyone know and trolling someone. This goes on ALL the time. Trolling has never been policed in the past just like selling was never policed in the past. Offensive talk in general has never been policed and neither has spamming. You are as anonymous as you want to be on lnet by just making new characters or using ones nobody has heard of before.

2. The rules were being arbitrarily placed upon people or threatened and it was not explained well for many folks as to what was going on and who Rozy was and why all of a sudden there was a problem.

3. Many people comment on inappropriate talk on lnet and the answer has and still is untune from it if you want.

4. Some people, we don't know who, decided to take issue with sales on the lnet channel and they were heard. But why not the people expressing disgust and concern about the trolling, daily drivel, and nigger talk on lnet? Especially if you are going to start moderating it.

Did I expect a reaction? Of course I did. That is why I tried to draw attention to it with Rozy who knew who I was so that it was never anonymous. When I was trolling Huch they also specifically knew who I was and even was trolling and playing along by saying they would internet stalk Buckwheet, not the name I was using on the chat.

I expected Rozy to say something and enforce the rules. But the fact that when I talked to Rozy she had no idea why I was banned and just assumed it was because of modification to the script that just points out that it was a unilateral decision by Tillmen. You can agree or disagree with that and I am fine with it. The hypocrisy still remains, but a solution has been found through the Merchant channel.

In regard to bitching about a free service, people bitch about whatever they want, you don't have to read or respond and in addition look at people bitching about all sorts of other free things like the PC for example. You want to target me specifically fine. There are several people who voiced their opinion and concern well before I did in the first thread.



To me this is like like getting a blow job and then bitching she didn't swallow. Be happy you got the blow job in the first place. Next time just swallow your own cum.


And yet how many people do that? Lots. Welcome to the way of the world where "free" doesn't mean "awesome".

[diethx]

Bitching about a service that's provided to you for absolutely free is ridiculous.

Disagree. Especially since for many it's not free, they've donated. Not to mention the time and effort others have put into their "open-source" stuff, meaning they've improved lich with scripts etc available to all.


Also who gives a shit if he didn't respond to you? He isn't a customer service rep. He didn't NEED to respond to you.

Do agree with this, though.

[Sherlock]

I agree that the channel being moderated how it has been moderated has not been consistent at all. I moderated and not once put any sort of ban on any particular individual because it didn't appear to be justified. Versus certain other people that went balls deep with bans whenever they felt like it was "crossing" the line which was ambiguous to begin with.

But at the end of the day it's a free service being provided by an individual who is doing it out of the goodness of the entire gemstone community. He can run it however he wishes to run it whether it be clear or unclear. He can say what he means or not say anything and do whatever he wants. Considering the amount of restraint he's shown to a large amount of things on lnet both known and unknown I would personally give him the benefit of the doubt.

You're correct you can bitch about anything you want. No one is holding anyone back from that at all. The part that gets me is since he has always shown restraint seeing him post something about a family member should make one give him the same amount of restraint he's shown everyone else.

Either way, I'm glad you're not permanently banned and the entire situation was overall solved both by your ingenuity and the 24 hour expiration.

In regards to the donations. While I agree it isn't free if you donate it's a choice. You're not being forced to donate. If this were a pay2play service I would otherwise I agree with you.



And yet how many people do that? Lots. Welcome to the way of the world where "free" doesn't mean "awesome".

And for the record I have never personally have done that. Eating my own or anyone else's for that matter is nauseating.

[Latrinsorm]

Yeah, not buying it. If you don't want problems don't act like a douchebag.We are still talking about LNet, right?

[SHAFT]

No, now we're talking about Kobe Bryant coming back in the preseason bitch! MVP!

[SHAFT]

Oh shit, can we talk about basketball in this thread? Don't ban me anticor!

[Buckwheet]

Reported

[diethx]

Oh shit, can we talk about basketball in this thread? Don't ban me anticor!

Reported for having shit taste in sports.












(don't hurt me, Eric)

[Buckwheet]

Holy fuck I agree with diethx. Good christ.

[diethx]

You clearly should do that more often!

[SHAFT]

Screw you guys, I'm going home.

[diethx]

Someone should start a thread titled "Free shaft! (from the oppressive bonds of shitty sports)"

[Latrinsorm]

Reported for having shit taste in sports.

(don't hurt me, Eric)Once I get you to love heartfelt acoustic music, basketball is next on the list. Although wait, you like Dean, right? Okay that's #2, then basketball. Sam probably played at least through high school, there's synergy there.

[Latrinsorm]

http://images1.fanpop.com/images/photos/1400000/Jared-Photoshoot-jared-padalecki-1447849-377-449.jpg

...his form is terrible. :(

[diethx]

Nnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh, Dean.

I do like some heartfelt acoustic music! I've just got a hard metal core.

[Nathala Crane]

Heartfelt acoustic music with a metal core:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_tORtmKIjE

[Catts]

Rep is Serious business!

QQ less about it.

I notice you tell people to QQ less about rep a lot

[SHAFT]

I notice you tell people to QQ less about rep a lot

You know how rozy feels about selling on lnet? PB is like that about rep.

[diethx]

Heartfelt acoustic music with a metal core:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_tORtmKIjE

I like.

[Suppressed Poet]

To me this is like like getting a blow job and then bitching she didn't swallow. Be happy you got the blow job in the first place. Next time just swallow your own cum.

We all know you paid for it...don't lie.

[subzero]

Ads?? On the PC??? What nonsense is this?

I was talking about general web-surfing. What I see on my end is quite different from what those who run around without protection see.

[subzero]

Disagree. Especially since for many it's not free, they've donated. Not to mention the time and effort others have put into their "open-source" stuff, meaning they've improved lich with scripts etc available to all.

That's not how it works. If you have to pay for something, it is not free. If you do not have to pay for something, it is free. You do not have to pay for Lich. Even if you've donated, you can't say Lich is not free. Think of the free-to-play gaming models, for example. If you were to buy something in one of those games and later turn around and tell a friend about the game, you aren't going to cite the amount of money you spent on the game as the cost to that person. You're going to tell them it's free and they can buy shit if they want. It's no different here.

[Suppressed Poet]

I was talking about general web-surfing. What I see on my end is quite different from what those who run around without protection see.

Wait hold up...my Norton doesn't do that. Maybe you are right. So what you are saying is norton is like a torn condom and the Internet is like Zambia where AIDS is everywhere?

[diethx]

That's not how it works. If you have to pay for something, it is not free. If you do not have to pay for something, it is free. You do not have to pay for Lich. Even if you've donated, you can't say Lich is not free. Think of the free-to-play gaming models, for example. If you were to buy something in one of those games and later turn around and tell a friend about the game, you aren't going to cite the amount of money you spent on the game as the cost to that person. You're going to tell them it's free and they can buy shit if they want. It's no different here.

You're arguing semantics. I'm saying that you can't tell people across the board they have no right to bitch about a free product, when many of them have paid money into said free product (and paid time as well).

[subzero]

Wait hold up...my Norton doesn't do that. Maybe you are right. So what you are saying is norton is like a torn condom and the Internet is like Zambia where AIDS is everywhere?

I was actually referring to non-AV protection methods that alter the way websites appear, but yes, the internet is much like Zambia... beware what you make contact with, cause you might walk off with the HIV. You definitely want a good AV setup, but no AV in the world will protect people from themselves.

Getting a virus is as simple as visiting a website (that may normally be legit) that has an infected ad/script running on it. It can be a pain (if you ever do online banking, bill pay, have accounts that may be targeted by assholes, etc, I'd take the pain of learning to protect myself over being infected and potentially having personal, financial, and/or various account information compromised any day) until you're familiar with the type of sites you could/should allow for some sites to be fully functional, but I always advise people to use FireFox with ADBlock and NoScript or their equivalents (assuming they exist by now). No ads or scripts = no sneaky, invisible virus infecting you from simply going to a website.

I sort of ended up getting one of my uncle's computers infected some months back. There's a site I frequently go to that I was going to show him something on and within moments MSE popped up telling him he's got a virus. I've never got a virus from that site, but I also never knew they had all ads and other various shit they have. I tend to forget that stuff exists because I've got things set up so I don't have to worry about it which resulted in a little case of the herps for his laptop. The visual difference on some sites can be somewhat striking... I often find myself kinda double-checking things to verify it's the same website I'm used to going to when I see them in an unprotected browser.

[Back]

You're arguing semantics. I'm saying that you can't tell people across the board they have no right to bitch about a free product, when many of them have paid money into said free product (and paid time as well).

Technically a donation does not give someone the right to demand service. The nature of a donation is an exchange with no strings attached. I couldn't, for example, give the Red Cross $50 then demand they come to my house to put a band aid on my boo-boo.

[subzero]

You're arguing semantics. I'm saying that you can't tell people across the board they have no right to bitch about a free product, when many of them have paid money into said free product (and paid time as well).

The entire world, including things like laws and 'rights', are defined by all the little technical things that comprise them. You donated money to an individual who has taken it upon themselves to provide a service to people free of charge. I think the word 'donate' is a pretty key component, so yes, semantics come into play. When you donate, you're giving money as a way of thanking and helping support the person for doing something you appreciate. You are not paying for a service. You are not buying the right to demand further updates or even continued service. You donated for what has been provided, not what you feel may or should be provided down the road.

Now, with something like this where it is a bit of a community thing I do think people should be able to voice their concerns. At the end of the day, though, Tillmen is doing this as a voluntary project just as people donating did so voluntarily. Those who donated decided how much they would donate and when to do it. By definition, no one could force you to donate more or less than you wanted to or determine when your donation was 'due'. Why do you think Tillmen has to volunteer his time and effort in a different manner? Lich is his to update, maintain, pay for, and make the decisions regarding its use and doing any of those things is done on his time. I think it's pretty important to remember that this is the voluntary effort of an individual person, not a business entity. That being the case, you guys are fuckin out of luck if you feel you're entitled to anything.

[diethx]

No one ever said they were demanding additional services.

But to say they don't have a right to bitch? lol.

[diethx]

Actually, forget donations. Anyone who wants to bitch has a right to bitch. You can bitch all you want about them bitching about a free product. You have as much right to bitch about them bitching about a free product as they have the right to bitch about said free product.

boom.

[AnticorRifling]

Oh shit, can we talk about basketball in this thread? Don't ban me anticor!

Infraction given. You're lucky I'm not in a banning mood. Also I feel obligated to add a fuck you for some reason.

[SHAFT]

Infraction given. You're lucky I'm not in a banning mood. Also I feel obligated to add a fuck you for some reason.

Well there goes my clean record. Eh, whatever. I like breaking the rules every now and then.

[AnticorRifling]

Infractions are very, very serious business.

[SHAFT]

Infractions are very, very serious business.

Anticor, men like you are the salt of the earth. Men like you created the wheel, and fire! From brawn! Don't change, don't ever change!

[Latrinsorm]

The first wheel must have had terrible STR/DU if that's true. Nothing like flesh for a fire, though.

[Gelston]

You're arguing semantics. I'm saying that you can't tell people across the board they have no right to bitch about a free product, when many of them have paid money into said free product (and paid time as well).

This. Call it criticism.

[Tisket]

Technically a donation does not give someone the right to demand service. The nature of a donation is an exchange with no strings attached. I couldn't, for example, give the Red Cross $50 then demand they come to my house to put a band aid on my boo-boo.

What the fuck? Misappropriation and embezzlement abound in charitable organizations. There is a whole raft of laws and rules regulating the use of donated funds.

And, if I donate $1000 to the Red Cross, I can indeed stipulate how the funds are to be used and they have to, by law, do so. You absolutely are allowed to designate how funds are to be applied. Charities prefer you do not, of course, but you certainly can.

[Back]

What the fuck? Misappropriation and embezzlement abound in charitable organizations. There is a whole raft of laws and rules regulating the use of donated funds.

And, if I donate $1000 to the Red Cross, I can indeed stipulate how the funds are to be used and they have to, by law, do so. You absolutely are allowed to designate how funds are to be applied. Charities prefer you do not, of course, but you certainly can.

In the context of what we are actually talking about that does not apply to Tillman. People absolutely have a right to bitch but don't count on anything changing though as Tillman is not obligated to anyone to do anything he does or does not want to do. And don't be surprised if you act like an entitled immature dick head what kind of response, if any, you get.

The best course of action if you want something changed is to try and communicate with him like an adult. Going ape shit on a message board or gaming his system because you want to point out some flaw is not the way to do it.

[Tisket]

In the context of what we are actually talking about that does not apply to Tillman.

You said something moronic and wrong about donations in general. Quit trying to pretend you only meant as it applied to Tillmen.

[Tisket]

Also, did you notice how I was more generous than you by far?

I am a better pretend philanthropist than you.

[Back]

You said something moronic and wrong about donations in general. Quit trying to pretend you only meant as it applied to Tillmen.


Also, did you notice how I was more generous than you by far?

I am a better pretend philanthropist than you.

Sweet Jesus. Get over yourself.

[Tisket]

Not everyone is embarrassed about themselves. Must suck for you to be so humiliatingly subpar in most respects.

[Parkbandit]

Not everyone is embarrassed about themselves. Must suck for you to be so humiliatingly subpar in most respects.

You imply that Backlash is above par in some respects. Please present your evidence of this unbelievable finding.

[Tisket]

You imply that Backlash is above par in some respects. Please present your evidence of this unbelievable finding.

I'm trying to be a kinder, gentler person!

[Donquix]

I'm trying to be a kinder, gentler person!

Your face is stupid and i hate it.

[Tisket]

lol