View Full Version : Rolling Stone w/ Boston bombing suspect on the cover
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/07/18/rolling-stone-the-bomber-issue-boycotted-by-walgreens-kmart-other-national-chains/
While not new for magazines to use controversial images on their cover, Rolling Stone has done it in the past with serial killers, even time magazine has done it with Adolf Hitler. How do you guys feel about this?
I don't agree with them using the image but I think it was a calculated risk. I know most the news networks in Canada have had multiple pieces on the Rolling Stone issue, which equals massive amounts of free advertising. But would it be enough to counter the backlash they will suffer for it?
I'm sure all the attention would garner a few new sales, but will the overall outcome be less revenue for them. Several large retailers have boycotted it, but that only pushes business to the smaller shops that won't enforce a boycott.
Also, any Bostonians on here? How do you feel about it?
Some people are wrongly thinking that Rolling Stone is portraying him as a rock star. As if that were some way of showing complicity or even celebrating his atrocity. That makes no sense to me. But people are very sensitive about it so let them vent.
Ker_Thwap
07-18-2013, 11:50 AM
Haven't read RS since the 70s. Complaining about the covers just gives them free publicity, those most likely to complain are least likely to be reading anyway. RS wins this round.
Androidpk
07-18-2013, 11:51 AM
Some people are wrongly thinking that Rolling Stone is portraying him as a rock star. As if that were some way of showing complicity or even celebrating his atrocity. That makes no sense to me. But people are very sensitive about it so let them vent.
That might not be the intention of their article but that certainly looks how it is from the picture. I'm a Bostonian (misplaced at the moment but still) and I have to say it is in poor taste of Rolling Stone.
Warriorbird
07-18-2013, 11:52 AM
They showed a clipped cover without the text. Manufactured outrage.
Wheelerm
07-18-2013, 11:59 AM
I think the problem I have with it is how "innocent" that douchebag looks on the cover. I would have preferred to see more of a "mug shot" style photo. I don't know. The cover sure makes it LOOK like RS is sympathetic, which is a little peculiar to me. There are actually people out there who think this guy is innocent and was framed, so I wonder if RS is playing that angle. I haven't read the article, so I don't know.
Taernath
07-18-2013, 12:02 PM
I'm sure all the attention would garner a few new sales, but will the overall outcome be less revenue for them. Several large retailers have boycotted it, but that only pushes business to the smaller shops that won't enforce a boycott.
I don't think it will change sales much. People who are angry or calling for a boycott probably don't read RS anyway, and those that do will continue to read. As far as the subject matter, it doesn't have to be a love it or hate it binary choice.
Tgo01
07-18-2013, 12:03 PM
I think the problem I have with it is how "innocent" that douchebag looks on the cover.
That's the impression I got as well, that picture almost looks like a modeling shot.
I get what they were going for "Hey look how this once good kid turned bad" but why not show the "bad" side in the picture.
I personally think they knew it would stir things up. Also the fact they the big retailers that boycotted, have only boycotted the issue not the magazine won't really hurt them. I think they will actually get a boost in sales this month at least.
Also raises an important question, What is Celebrity?
I still think it was in bad taste and have no intention on buying a copy, but that never changed from before. I've never bought Rolling Stone.
Methais
07-18-2013, 12:08 PM
Some people are wrongly thinking that Rolling Stone is portraying him as a rock star. As if that were some way of showing complicity or even celebrating his atrocity. That makes no sense to me. But people are very sensitive about it so let them vent.
Perhaps it's due to the overall Jim Morrison-esque presentation of the picture?
Nah it couldn't be that. I'm sure they did their best to do what People magazine (or whatever mag it was) did with Michelle Bachmann on their cover.
Gnome Rage
07-18-2013, 12:10 PM
Anyone who is seriously outraged by this probably didn't read the article.
The point is that he looks just like any other American boy, and as reported by friends, he was. The photograph was printed by "mainstream media" as well. People are upset because they aren't choosing to read the article, they are blindly boycotting it because it "looks" like something.
Well, America has enough problems with passing judgement based on how people look, why would a magazine be different.
Methais
07-18-2013, 12:12 PM
Anyone who is seriously outraged by this probably didn't read the article.
I only read Penthouse for the articles.
Gnome Rage
07-18-2013, 12:14 PM
Evil people aren't just ugly foreigners. They're attractive, well-liked, intelligent, American citizens as well. Evil doesn't wear a name-tag, it could be anyone, anywhere, at anytime, with enough time and pressure.
Methais
07-18-2013, 12:18 PM
I wonder if they would have used a similar type of photo if it were say....George Zimmerman...
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltwdhrjzrD1r5frgno1_400.gif
Keller
07-19-2013, 09:50 AM
Similar to the mainstream conservative media's support for George Zimmerman, Rolling Stone, a bastion of conservatism, is trying to paint this white terrorist in the best light possible.
I think the cover is in poor taste, but it's not something to get up in arms about, especially since it just gives RS the publicity they want.
The moral of the story is that angry old white dudes will find a reason to bitch about anything.
See, e.g., Methais.
Showal
07-19-2013, 09:52 AM
I'm from Boston and it was in poor taste.* If the point was to have an article about what GR said, it could have been done without the cover.* They have done this shit in the past though.* Really, it's not cause for the extent of outrage it has received.*But whatever, doesn't really matter.* If it weren't for it's long history, rolling stone probably would have died out a while ago.* This is just an attempt to breathe life into their magazine.And Methais is right.* This would not have been done for Zimmerman, Adam Lanza, or that whack job in Aurora, CO.* The cover picture was simply poor taste.
Showal
07-19-2013, 09:54 AM
What the fuck is up with my post? Whatever. I like the stars. I'm keeping it.
AnticorRifling
07-19-2013, 10:48 AM
People still read Rolling Stone?
Showal
07-19-2013, 10:53 AM
People still read Rolling Stone?Exactly.
Suppa Hobbit Mage
07-19-2013, 11:23 AM
If they posted a picture of Zimmerman on it all glammed up there would be riots.
diethx
07-19-2013, 11:29 AM
All glammed up? That photo is the kid all glammed up? Wtf?
Tenlaar
07-19-2013, 11:37 AM
People who can't see the point of the article/cover aren't smart enough to have opinions anyway. Being offended by the picture of the guy being a picture of the guy is laughable.
Jarvan
07-19-2013, 11:51 AM
Anyone who is seriously outraged by this probably didn't read the article.
The point is that he looks just like any other American boy, and as reported by friends, he was. The photograph was printed by "mainstream media" as well. People are upset because they aren't choosing to read the article, they are blindly boycotting it because it "looks" like something.
Well, America has enough problems with passing judgement based on how people look, why would a magazine be different.
I've never read RS, and don't plan to. Just got to ask though, If after 9-11, if they had had a picture of all the terrorists hanging out at a backyard BBQ, cooking burgers and drinking beer.. do you think they should have run that picture, with the caption "How a bunch of regular innocent guys were failed by their country and society..."
Yeah, I think that would have been totally acceptable too. (notice the sarcasm)
Gnome Rage
07-19-2013, 12:01 PM
Except the photo isn't Jahar hanging around at a back yard BBQ, it is a photograph that he took of himself (a "selfie"), it is a photograph that has been utilized already by mainstream media. He isn't "all glammed up" he put a instagram filter on it. The point is that he is YOUR AVERAGE college student, he did all the shit that all of "us" (collective us, college-aged people) do. The cover is supposed to show that, and it does--which is why people are outraged. Because they see him, and they don't immediately hate him based on how he looks. Hate him for his actions, but realize that terrorists, murderers, school shooters, etc etc don't LOOK DIFFERENT or ACT DIFFERENT than us. They can go undetected throughout their lives.
America has a deadly belief that evil looks like this or that, and we will kill each other off on that judgement alone.
Tgo01
07-19-2013, 12:09 PM
The point is that he is YOUR AVERAGE college student
Do they think we're stupid or something and we needed this pointed out to us? Aren't most people your "average" nobody until they commit a crime or somehow make national headlines?
Tenlaar
07-19-2013, 12:13 PM
Do they think we're stupid or something and we needed this pointed out to us?
Most people are stupid and it needs to be pointed out. Repeatedly.
Gnome Rage
07-19-2013, 12:18 PM
Do they think we're stupid or something and we needed this pointed out to us? Aren't most people your "average" nobody until they commit a crime or somehow make national headlines?
Well... most of America probably does need it pointed out to them. I live in a supposedly liberal area of the US and I hear racial slurs on a daily basis, about EVERY race. The media is doing a very good job of trying to instigate negative racial relations just by how they present a story. It is good to have a magazine investigating how/why a devout (non-radical) Muslim can give up self-reported morals of peace to become a radical.
Throughout the article, I think they do a good job of distinguishing that it is a radical branch, and until he was influenced by radicals, he was a peace-loving just like you guy who happened to be Muslim. This distinction is important to (try to) prevent emotional outbursts that lead to true hate-crimes being committed.
rolfard
07-19-2013, 12:25 PM
5348
Is this what you wanted?
Jarvan
07-19-2013, 12:45 PM
Except the photo isn't Jahar hanging around at a back yard BBQ, it is a photograph that he took of himself (a "selfie"), it is a photograph that has been utilized already by mainstream media. He isn't "all glammed up" he put a instagram filter on it. The point is that he is YOUR AVERAGE college student, he did all the shit that all of "us" (collective us, college-aged people) do. The cover is supposed to show that, and it does--which is why people are outraged. Because they see him, and they don't immediately hate him based on how he looks. Hate him for his actions, but realize that terrorists, murderers, school shooters, etc etc don't LOOK DIFFERENT or ACT DIFFERENT than us. They can go undetected throughout their lives.
America has a deadly belief that evil looks like this or that, and we will kill each other off on that judgement alone.
The 9-11 terrorists didn't look different either really.
I am sure they did the same things as other people too. And face it, the cover has one purpose and one purpose only. To sell magazines.
As for the photo, I am SURE they had any number of photo options they could have used. They chose the one that showed him the way they wanted to show him. They could have had a picture of him in desert drab holding an Ak-47, and there was no way in hell they would have used it. It wouldn't have been the "Picture" they wanted to portray.
Like I said.. they never would have used a "selfie" of the 9-11 terrorists and tried to do the same thing. They have every right to use any picture, and write any article they want, freedom of speech after all. Doesn't mean it's not in poor taste.
Wheelerm
07-19-2013, 01:32 PM
I don't know...I do recognize the cover art picture as being the selfie that the lamestream media has used, but you can't tell me that there aren't mug shots lying around after his arrest that could not have been used.
So, out of curiosity...anyone know who this guy is? He looks pretty respectable, no?
5349
Tenlaar
07-19-2013, 01:35 PM
I know, I know! Do I get a prize?
Gelston
07-19-2013, 01:38 PM
I got this magazine in the mail yesterday. Someone that lived here before had a sub and never changed their address and I've been getting them for a long time. I don't see a problem with it. I mean...
http://frtim.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/hitler-time.jpg
Androidpk
07-19-2013, 01:39 PM
So, out of curiosity...anyone know who this guy is? He looks pretty respectable, no?
5349
Looks like Latrinsorm's dad.
Wheelerm
07-19-2013, 01:56 PM
I got this magazine in the mail yesterday. Someone that lived here before had a sub and never changed their address and I've been getting them for a long time. I don't see a problem with it. I mean...
http://frtim.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/hitler-time.jpg
LOL. Ya, the only thing missing from that cover is the title, "Adolf Hitler. The Kinder Side No One Knew," or "Adolf Hitler. A Victim Of Circumstance?"
diethx
07-19-2013, 01:58 PM
Wow, you guys aren't making a mountain out of a mole hill or anything.
Methais
07-19-2013, 02:01 PM
Similar to the mainstream conservative media's support for George Zimmerman, Rolling Stone, a bastion of conservatism, is trying to paint this white terrorist in the best light possible.
I think the cover is in poor taste, but it's not something to get up in arms about, especially since it just gives RS the publicity they want.
The moral of the story is that angry old white dudes will find a reason to bitch about anything.
See, e.g., Methais.
I'm not angry nor am I old yet.
Just calling things like I see them. Sorry if that offends you so much.
I saw the same stupid point made on fox news. FFS quit being such a tool
ZOMG FOXNEWS!!!!!
I haven't watched cable news in about 3 years now. Fox is obviously mind controlling me.
Tgo01
07-19-2013, 02:05 PM
Anyone notice how the magazine basically blames his parents for him "becoming a monster"?
I think families fail one another all the time, doesn't mean they all go out and blow up dozens of people.
Gelston
07-19-2013, 02:15 PM
Anyone notice how the magazine basically blames his parents for him "becoming a monster"?
I think families fail one another all the time, doesn't mean they all go out and blow up dozens of people.
Of course it was his parents. No one is ever born inherently shitty. /sarc
Wheelerm
07-19-2013, 02:23 PM
Anyone notice how the magazine basically blames his parents for him "becoming a monster"?
I think families fail one another all the time, doesn't mean they all go out and blow up dozens of people.
Exactly. In fact if we did, humanity couldn't survive, IMHO.
Methais
07-19-2013, 02:25 PM
Except the photo isn't Jahar hanging around at a back yard BBQ, it is a photograph that he took of himself (a "selfie"), it is a photograph that has been utilized already by mainstream media. He isn't "all glammed up" he put a instagram filter on it. The point is that he is YOUR AVERAGE college student, he did all the shit that all of "us" (collective us, college-aged people) do. The cover is supposed to show that, and it does--which is why people are outraged. Because they see him, and they don't immediately hate him based on how he looks. Hate him for his actions, but realize that terrorists, murderers, school shooters, etc etc don't LOOK DIFFERENT or ACT DIFFERENT than us. They can go undetected throughout their lives.
America has a deadly belief that evil looks like this or that, and we will kill each other off on that judgement alone.
Fuck that. All terrorist selfies are supposed to look like this:
http://forum.gsplayers.com/image.php?u=25&dateline=1302626403
Tgo01
07-19-2013, 02:26 PM
The more I think about it the more the caption pisses me off than the picture itself.
"How a popular, promising student was failed by his family, fell into radical Islam and became a monster"
Almost as if that was the chain of events that led up to the bombing. "He was popular, a good student, then his family failed him, then he fell into radical Islam then he blew up some people."
Wait, what?
Gelston
07-19-2013, 02:28 PM
I can see blaming parents if a child gets a F on his history report. If the kid can't read, yes, that is something the parents should be held accountable for. Planting explosives and terrorism, while the parents could play a role in that path, it isn't 100% their fault.
Methais
07-19-2013, 02:29 PM
Well... most of America probably does need it pointed out to them. I live in a supposedly liberal area of the US and I hear racial slurs on a daily basis, about EVERY race. The media is doing a very good job of trying to instigate negative racial relations just by how they present a story. It is good to have a magazine investigating how/why a devout (non-radical) Muslim can give up self-reported morals of peace to become a radical.
Throughout the article, I think they do a good job of distinguishing that it is a radical branch, and until he was influenced by radicals, he was a peace-loving just like you guy who happened to be Muslim. This distinction is important to (try to) prevent emotional outbursts that lead to true hate-crimes being committed.
I'm not sure what's funnier....the fact that you live in MA and refer to it as a "supposedly" liberal area, or you being seemingly surprised that you hear racial slurs in a supposedly liberal area.
Gelston
07-19-2013, 02:30 PM
Leave her alone, Methais, she only has looks to get by on.
Warriorbird
07-19-2013, 02:42 PM
http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1999/1101990503_400.jpg
http://www.parade.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/charles-manson-rolling-stone-cover-vtr.jpg
http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1945/1101450205_400.jpg
http://cdn.chud.com/7/7c/350x700px-LL-7c5aa979_649058931_o.jpeg
Yeah.
Tgo01
07-19-2013, 02:46 PM
I can't tell if WB is saying "Magazines suck!" or if he's saying "What's the big deal? It happens all the time!"
Warriorbird
07-19-2013, 02:51 PM
I can't tell if WB is saying "Magazines suck!" or if he's saying "What's the big deal? It happens all the time!"
Could it be both?
Just so I don't seem sexist.
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/international/assad%202%20post.jpg
http://wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/1339621998_1.jpg
Wheelerm
07-19-2013, 02:51 PM
Well, now wait...let's be fair. Charles Manson never killed anyone...
Wheelerm
07-19-2013, 02:54 PM
Seriously, though...all of those covers are equally tasteless.
Showal
07-19-2013, 02:54 PM
I'm not sure what's funnier....the fact that you live in MA and refer to it as a "supposedly" liberal area, or you being seemingly surprised that you hear racial slurs in a supposedly liberal area.
She lives in CT or something. While your point still stands, it's an important distinction that I want to make since I'm from MA.
Tenlaar
07-19-2013, 03:01 PM
Seriously, though...all of those covers are equally tasteless.
Maybe the problem isn't with the covers, but with you.
Gnome Rage
07-19-2013, 03:03 PM
Oh don't worry Showal, I'm coming to MA in less than 10 days to degrade your state.
Wheelerm
07-19-2013, 03:05 PM
Maybe the problem isn't with the covers, but with you.
Yeah...that must be it. Thanks for pointing it out.
Showal
07-19-2013, 03:13 PM
Oh don't worry Showal, I'm coming to MA in less than 10 days to degrade your state.
I thought I've felt it getting shittier around here lately.
Androidpk
07-19-2013, 03:14 PM
I thought I've felt it getting shittier around here lately.
Did you feel a disturbance in the force?
diethx
07-19-2013, 03:15 PM
Did you feel a disturbance in the force?
The force has been a lot... bubblier.
Showal
07-19-2013, 03:17 PM
Did you feel a disturbance in the force?
yeah, and I'm thankful I may be moving to colorado in october.
Androidpk
07-19-2013, 03:19 PM
The force has been a lot... bubblier.
As if millions of bubbles suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly popped.
diethx
07-19-2013, 03:19 PM
As if millions of bubbles suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly popped.
^^^
Suppa Hobbit Mage
07-19-2013, 03:22 PM
Well... most of America probably does need it pointed out to them. I live in a supposedly liberal area of the US and I hear racial slurs on a daily basis, about EVERY race.I live in a very conservative area and literally cannot recall the last time I heard any racial slurs (except on Big Brother this season, that shit is awesome!) about ANY race.
Paradii
07-19-2013, 03:34 PM
I live in a very conservative area and literally cannot recall the last time I heard any racial slurs (except on Big Brother this season, that shit is awesome!) about ANY race.
Probably because you are surrounded by a mono-culture of creamy-ass white honkies.
Taernath
07-19-2013, 03:36 PM
Probably because you are surrounded by a mono-culture of creamy-ass white honkies.
But they're the racists.
Suppa Hobbit Mage
07-19-2013, 04:14 PM
The black english version is "crazy ass cracker" people, get with the program.
Gelston
07-19-2013, 04:16 PM
I live in a very conservative area and literally cannot recall the last time I heard any racial slurs (except on Big Brother this season, that shit is awesome!) about ANY race.
I live in an extremely conservative area and I hear racial slurs all the time.
SHAFT
07-19-2013, 04:16 PM
The black english version is "crazy ass cracker" people, get with the program.
Cracka ass cracka will work too.
Suppa Hobbit Mage
07-19-2013, 04:18 PM
I live in an extremely conservative area and I hear racial slurs all the time.My sarcasm was lost on folks I think. Anecdotal is anecdotal.
Gelston
07-19-2013, 04:21 PM
My sarcasm was lost on folks I think. Anecdotal is anecdotal.
You forgot the /sarc tag. Hard to see in text man.
Methais
07-19-2013, 04:45 PM
I live in mostly conservative area and I hear black people and wiggers say "nigga" all the time.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?!?!
Suppressed Poet
07-19-2013, 05:30 PM
I was chit-chatting with this really nice African-American lady in the office. She was showing me a used car she liked with high mileage for her teenaged daughter. I told her "Don't get a Chrysler because they are the black sheep of the three...ahh shit!". She laughed at me and all was well. Sometimes you don't even realize your everyday language could be offensive to others.
Tgo01
07-19-2013, 05:32 PM
Someone would have to be the most sensitive life form to ever exist if they get offended by the term "black sheep."
Latrinsorm
07-19-2013, 05:34 PM
I wonder if they would have used a similar type of photo if it were say....George Zimmerman...Why would they put a picture of a white guy on the cover? Middle Easterners are where it's at.
If they posted a picture of Zimmerman on it all glammed up there would be riots.This seems like it should provoke an age joke, but weren't you of age in the heyday of actual glam?
Looks like Latrinsorm's dad.My dad is a total norm, as are both of my brothers. I blame public schools.
Also, let me just say that I am greatly heartened by the fact that all the people who championed our justice system and how Zimmerman was innocent until proven guilty have taken the trouble to include "allegedly" in all descriptions of Tsarnaev as a criminal.
Gelston
07-19-2013, 05:35 PM
I live in mostly conservative area and I hear black people and wiggers say "nigga" all the time.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?!?!
It isn't racist if it ends in an a. Daniel Tosh told me so.
Androidpk
07-19-2013, 05:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRK5rU1ZPJc&list=PL366B08544CB51354
Tgo01
07-19-2013, 05:42 PM
Rolling Stone w/ Boston bombing suspect on the cover
are ewe serious?
If you read that rep and didn't at least smile then...then something is wrong with you. Or with me? I dunno.
Suppressed Poet
07-19-2013, 05:43 PM
Someone would have to be the most sensitive life form to ever exist if they get offended by the term "black sheep."
While I tend to agree with you, I don't think you understand how careful you have to really be working for a large publicly traded company in today's world. HR complaints happen for a lot less. Better safe than sorry.
Androidpk
07-19-2013, 05:44 PM
It isn't racist if it ends in an a. Daniel Tosh told me so.
So that absolves all people from the Boston area.
Androidpk
07-19-2013, 05:46 PM
Also, let me just say that I am greatly heartened by the fact that all the people who championed our justice system and how Zimmerman was innocent until proven guilty have taken the trouble to include "allegedly" in all descriptions of Tsarnaev as a criminal.
Is that sarcasm? From what I recall Zimmerman willfully turned himself into the authorities whereas Tsarnaev was involved in the murder of a campus police officer and a chase with police involving firearms and explosives.
apples/oranges
Wheelerm
07-19-2013, 06:51 PM
And besides, is there anyone here that really believes that Tsarnev is innocent? At least you could have a spirited debate about the Zimmerman case.
Latrinsorm
07-19-2013, 08:41 PM
Oh so when it comes to a non-Hispanic white it matters what the lamestream media has told you to believe? How convenient. >:-(
Bobmuhthol
07-20-2013, 05:14 AM
Every Gnome Rage post in this thread reads like a really bad school essay.
Gelston
07-20-2013, 05:34 AM
Oh so when it comes to a non-Hispanic white it matters what the lamestream media has told you to believe? How convenient. >:-(
Why do you hate self defense so much? I suppose you'd have just let Trayvon pound your skull into the pavement.
Quite a big difference between premeditated creation and planting of explosives. I mean, if Zimmerman had planted a bomb and blown up Trayvon and killed him that way, I'd say he was in the wrong too.
Ker_Thwap
07-20-2013, 10:00 AM
Every Gnome Rage post in this thread reads like a really bad school essay.
It's important to try to fit every every single news event exactly into one's world view. After all, every idealistic young person in the history of world has never been wrong with their progressive and forward thinking views. There's no reason whatsoever to even consider opposing viewpoints from people with diverse frames of reference.
Latrinsorm
07-20-2013, 12:00 PM
Why do you hate self defense so much? I suppose you'd have just let Trayvon pound your skull into the pavement.I'm all for self-defense, which is why I find Trayvon's actions justifiable.
Quite a big difference between premeditated creation and planting of explosives.Allegedly.
I mean, if Zimmerman had planted a bomb and blown up Trayvon and killed him that way, I'd say he was in the wrong too.Allegedly.
Gelston
07-20-2013, 01:55 PM
I'm all for self-defense, which is why I find Trayvon's actions justifiable.Allegedly.Allegedly.
Trayvon's isn't allegedly. It is court proven. A court of law found Zimmerman to be completely justified. Why do you think your opinion is above the court?
Androidpk
07-20-2013, 02:05 PM
Trayvon's isn't allegedly. It is court proven. A court of law found Zimmerman to be completely justified. Why do you think your opinion is above the court?
You're talking to someone that thinks citizens shouldn't resist against a tyrannical government.
Latrinsorm
07-20-2013, 02:12 PM
Trayvon's isn't allegedly. It is court proven. A court of law found Zimmerman to be completely justified.It is now, which is why I specifically used the past tense when referring to what people posted about Don Zimmer's Man. Look, you shouldn't feel bad if you were a total hypocrite about innocent until proven guilty between the two cases, especially because if I recall correctly you weren't. People get all angry about that, but we're not logic machines, it's not a diagnosis of fundamental error. It's a learning experience. We're all made of meat.
Why do you think your opinion is above the court?I wouldn't locate it with any respect to the court as this was not a bench trial, and I also wouldn't say "above" the jury. I don't know why they decided the way they did, they might have had really compelling reasons for them. Unlike some people, I am not of the opinion that I am some indisputable arbiter of facts and universal truth, but I am not of that opinion for anyone else either.
I am of the opinion that there is a fact and universal truth of the matter, but it doesn't bother me that people (even many people) disagree with it, and it doesn't bother me (in more than the theological sense) that people can't be convinced of it. I'm not Supergirl. I'm not here to save the world. I don't even want to know who's gonna save me, because Jesus always rolls natural 20s.
Gelston
07-20-2013, 02:14 PM
I don't recall stating anything about my opinion on the "alleged" bomber that was involved in a televised shooting with the police.
I think I've decided to be done with you, because.. Well, you just don't make any sense. I have lost a little faith in humanity because of you.
Latrinsorm
07-20-2013, 02:14 PM
You're talking to someone that thinks citizens shouldn't resist against a tyrannical government.Hate to break it to you, but we already have a tyrannical government. I want to get it on tape. You want to stroke your gun and fantasize that it isn't. Which of us is resisting more effectively?
Androidpk
07-20-2013, 02:25 PM
Hate to break it to you, but we already have a tyrannical government. I want to get it on tape. You want to stroke your gun and fantasize that it isn't. Which of us is resisting more effectively?
Scotch, duct, or double sided??
Latrinsorm
07-20-2013, 02:30 PM
Waterproof, for all you libtards' tears. Although frankly I have been unimpressed by the proof of this tape, I sweated through it in one half of one inning.
Bobmuhthol
07-20-2013, 06:37 PM
I got neg rep that just said "fuck off" for my Gnome Rage post, but I have a pretty good feeling that she didn't do it.
Warriorbird
07-20-2013, 06:51 PM
Somebody who wants to get with her.
Tisket
07-20-2013, 07:11 PM
Potential sex isn't always the answer to life's mysteries.
Warriorbird
07-20-2013, 07:13 PM
Potential sex isn't always the answer to life's mysteries.
You're quite right. But "white knight" syndrome is strong on the net.
SHAFT
07-20-2013, 07:13 PM
I live in mostly conservative area and I hear black people and wiggers say "nigga" all the time.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?!?!
I always enjoyed white people calling other white people nigga.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/image.jpg (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/image.jpg.html)
Tisket
07-20-2013, 07:15 PM
You're quite right. But "white knight" syndrome is strong on the net.
I want an internet knight, white or otherwise.
Warriorbird
07-20-2013, 07:22 PM
I want an internet knight, white or otherwise.
http://www.dumbelievable.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/Life-Lock.png
Tenlaar
07-20-2013, 07:35 PM
I want an internet knight, white or otherwise.
Here is your instruction manual: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Girl_on_the_Internet_Syndrome
SHAFT
07-20-2013, 07:37 PM
I want an internet knight, white or otherwise.
http://youtu.be/XWHOF_0-6Hg
Androidpk
07-20-2013, 07:39 PM
I want an internet knight, white or otherwise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Latrinsorm
07-20-2013, 07:39 PM
Potential sex isn't always the answer to life's mysteries.But it raises some interesting questions.
I want an internet knight, white or otherwise.You are unlucky, I am from the Web. This was a reference to Reboot and Warriorbird's (equally dated) reference to the "net". Call me the Colorless Knight, I have no land to call my own. (And let me stop you right there, it is very racist to bring up Urza's Factory.)
tyrant-201
07-20-2013, 07:48 PM
I want an internet knight, white or otherwise.
I am about to take it to a whole other level.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu6ze1wmSxA
Tisket
07-20-2013, 07:58 PM
lol Michael Bolton
(Should I be ashamed that I liked the song?)
Androidpk
07-20-2013, 08:00 PM
I want to know how old Tisket is now.
Tisket
07-20-2013, 08:00 PM
Here is your instruction manual: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Girl_on_the_Internet_Syndrome
The naked chick reminds me of a less well endowed Nikki.
Tisket
07-20-2013, 08:01 PM
I want to know how old Tisket is now.
19 of course.
tyrant-201
07-20-2013, 08:02 PM
lol Michael Bolton
(Should I be ashamed that I liked the song?)
There is nothing to be ashamed of in liking Michael Bolton. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just jealous of his talent.
Tisket
07-20-2013, 08:06 PM
The insult, "he's got Michael Bolton lips" should totally be a thing. There is something wrong with them.
SHAFT
07-21-2013, 12:14 AM
Peter cetera would stomp Michael Bolton.
Tisket
07-21-2013, 12:33 AM
He has weird lips too.
19 of course.
18 in some states.
Keller
07-22-2013, 10:24 AM
I'm not angry nor am I old yet.
Just calling things like I see them. Sorry if that offends you so much.
5363, my man. Not offended in the least. I think it's funny that you're obsessed with reverse racism.
I've realized that, if you want to piss an old white man off, you shouldn't call him a cracker - you should call him a racist.
Methais
07-22-2013, 10:28 AM
5363, my man. Not offended in the least. I think it's funny that you're obsessed with reverse racism.
I've realized that, if you want to piss an old white man off, you shouldn't call him a cracker - you should call him a racist.
I think it's funny how most of you are obsessed with racism. What's your point?
Calling me a racist doesn't piss me off. Worst case, it makes me facepalm at the stupidity of the person making the accusation. Best case, I laugh at the stupidity of the person making the accusation. The word means nothing anymore because it's been so overplayed, and those same people who play the race card all the time can't stand that fact.
Keller
07-22-2013, 10:37 AM
I think it's funny how most of you are obsessed with racism. What's your point?
Calling me a racist doesn't piss me off. Worst case, it makes me facepalm at the stupidity of the person making the accusation. Best case, I laugh at the stupidity of the person making the accusation. The word means nothing anymore because it's been so overplayed, and those same people who play the race card all the time can't stand that fact.
Tell me more about how you don't care when people call you a racist.
http://www.the-mainboard.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/ohgosh.gif
I think it's funny how most of you are obsessed with racism. What's your point?
Calling me a racist doesn't piss me off. Worst case, it makes me facepalm at the stupidity of the person making the accusation. Best case, I laugh at the stupidity of the person making the accusation. The word means nothing anymore because it's been so overplayed, and those same people who play the race card all the time can't stand that fact.
http://media.tumblr.com/e594e1b40396d6ca29d09cf8081d3257/tumblr_inline_mmwt2c9NsM1qz4rgp.gif
AnticorRifling
07-22-2013, 10:47 AM
5363, my man. Not offended in the least. I think it's funny that you're obsessed with reverse racism.
I've realized that, if you want to piss an old white man off, you shouldn't call him a cracker - you should call him a racist.
What is reverse racism? Loving someone on the sole grounds that they are a different race?
Delias
07-22-2013, 10:48 AM
What is reverse racism? Loving someone on the sole grounds that they are a different race?
I've met some women like that.
Methais
07-22-2013, 11:07 AM
Tell me more about how you don't care when people call you a racist.
http://www.the-mainboard.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/ohgosh.gif
Tell me more about the difference between making a general point, and actually caring about something.
Your word games will not work on me, kind sir!
Methais
07-22-2013, 11:10 AM
http://media.tumblr.com/e594e1b40396d6ca29d09cf8081d3257/tumblr_inline_mmwt2c9NsM1qz4rgp.gif
Are you trying to imply that the race card is not being overplayed with your random gif of a confused fat black woman?
Methais
07-22-2013, 11:24 AM
This is related to terrorism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOLvBXYhGXE
Are you trying to imply that the race card is not being overplayed with your random gif of a confused fat black woman?
Who, specifically, in what specific situations, are using the race card as often as you think they are? Do you have ANYTHING besides your tiny little imaginary world where everyone uses it all the time in every situation to back that up?
Methais
07-22-2013, 11:35 AM
Ever notice that when Backlash can't answer something, he responds with a question of his own?
I wasn't referring to one specific person in a specific situation. I was speaking in general that the race card is way overplayed these days, to the point where it's been diminished into almost nothing.
Are you denying that the race card in general is overplayed these days?
Also, feel free to point out where I said that everyone plays the race card in every situation.
Ever notice that when Backlash can't answer something, he responds with a question of his own?
AREZ YOU DFUCKING KIDDING ME>::>>>:???? |You do that to me constantly!
I wasn't referring to one specific person in a specific situation. I was speaking in general that the race card is way overplayed these days, to the point where it's been diminished into almost nothing.
Are you denying that the race card in general is overplayed these days?
YOU ARE DOING IT AGAIN!
If there were no racism to call people on then no one would call people on it.
Candor
07-22-2013, 11:39 AM
I trust we understand that this works both ways? I've been called racist simply because I disagree with some of Obama's policies.
Keller
07-22-2013, 11:44 AM
Tell me more about the difference between making a general point, and actually caring about something.
Your word games will not work on me, kind sir!
You're racist against words!
Methais
07-22-2013, 11:47 AM
AREZ YOU DFUCKING KIDDING ME>::>>>:???? |You do that to me constantly!
Not really. I usually provide at least some answer to your question first, and then I reiterate the question I originally asked you that you never answered, which is usually met with some sort of tantrum involving exclamation points and all caps.
YOU ARE DOING IT AGAIN!
See?
If there were no racism to call people on then no one would call people on it.
I'm not saying racism doesn't exist. I'm saying that the race card in recent years has been primarily played in situations where it doesn't apply, such as when you disagree with a liberal, or a conservative makes a valid argument to something that a liberal such as yourself has no answer to. Or if you don't like Obamacare, or any of Obama's disastrous policies. According to the media along with people of a similar mindset as you, the reason we don't like Obama's policies is because he's black, and not because of issues with the actual policies. All of that diminishes the real meaning of the word, which nobody seems to know what that even is anymore.
I suspect that you already know all of this though, because I can't imagine that even you would be this ignorant. At best, you're trolling and/or being disingenuous.
Tisket
07-22-2013, 11:49 AM
I trust we understand that this works both ways? I've been called racist simply because I disagree with some of Obama's policies.
Hey, at least it's a break from being called a homophobe. Unless they called you a racist homophobe?
diethx
07-22-2013, 11:55 AM
I'm not saying racism doesn't exist. I'm saying that the race card in recent years has been primarily played in situations where it doesn't apply, such as when you disagree with a liberal, or a conservative makes a valid argument to something that a liberal such as yourself has no answer to. Or if you don't like Obamacare, or any of Obama's disastrous policies. According to the media along with people of a similar mindset as you, the reason we don't like Obama's policies is because he's black, and not because of issues with the actual policies. All of that diminishes the real meaning of the word, which nobody seems to know what that even is anymore.
I suspect that you already know all of this though, because I can't imagine that even you would be this ignorant. At best, you're trolling and/or being disingenuous.
To pretend that both sides aren't equally as guilty for being excessively dramatic when it benefits their argument... it is plain silly.
Methais
07-22-2013, 11:58 AM
To pretend that both sides aren't equally as guilty for being excessively dramatic when it benefits their argument... it is plain silly.
So you're saying that conservatives in general play the race card just as much as liberals do?
I don't remember people being called racist for disagreeing with Bush's policies, for example.
Not saying it doesn't happen on both sides, but the frequency is nowhere near equal.
That's not silly anyway. This is silly...
http://25.media.tumblr.com/7dbf7f6e2a057b9ee8c7724d98f3c4db/tumblr_mn1t9v1PQr1s2d5eso1_400.gif
I'm not saying racism doesn't exist. I'm saying that the race card in recent years has been primarily played in situations where it doesn't apply, such as when you disagree with a liberal, or a conservative makes a valid argument to something that a liberal such as yourself has no answer to. Or if you don't like Obamacare, or any of Obama's disastrous policies. According to the media along with people of a similar mindset as you, the reason we don't like Obama's policies is because he's black, and not because of issues with the actual policies. All of that diminishes the real meaning of the word, which nobody seems to know what that even is anymore.
Aside from lulz trolls on a message board I haven't seen it. If any media outlet came out and said that a conservative or republican or anyone disagreeing with Obama is just because he is black they wouldn't last the rest of the week.
But then it goes the other way. Do you deny that there are people out there who don't like Obama and his policies just because he is black?
Methais
07-22-2013, 12:17 PM
Aside from lulz trolls on a message board I haven't seen it. If any media outlet came out and said that a conservative or republican or anyone disagreeing with Obama is just because he is black they wouldn't last the rest of the week.
Now I know you're trolling. Well played, sir.
But then it goes the other way. Do you deny that there are people out there who don't like Obama and his policies just because he is black?
I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't like Obama just because he's black. Disliking his policies due to being black would be a tougher sell though, because chances are they still wouldn't like the policy in question even if a white guy came up with it.
Androidpk
07-22-2013, 12:21 PM
If Obama was white his name would be Bush.
Methais
07-22-2013, 12:21 PM
If Obama was white his name would be Bush.
But what would Bush be named if he was black?
Androidpk
07-22-2013, 12:26 PM
But what would Bush be named if he was black?
Obama. Duh.
diethx
07-22-2013, 12:26 PM
So you're saying that conservatives in general play the race card just as much as liberals do?
I don't remember people being called racist for disagreeing with Bush's policies, for example.
Not saying it doesn't happen on both sides, but the frequency is nowhere near equal.
No, that's not at all what I said. Slinging the accusatory "racist" is only one of the million ways both sides play up the drama to garner support for whatever they're arguing. Both sides are equally guilty and suck equally.
No, that's not at all what I said. Slinging the accusatory "racist" is only one of the million ways both sides play up the drama to garner support for whatever they're arguing. Both sides are equally guilty and suck equally.
Yeah, and a few knuckleheads, on both sides, gives everyone a bad name.
Keller
07-22-2013, 12:40 PM
I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't like Obama just because he's black. Disliking his policies due to being black would be a tougher sell though, because chances are they still wouldn't like the policy in question even if a white guy came up with it.
I dislike being serious, especially when posting on the PC, but I can't help making the point that there are plenty of people who dislike the president's policies because he looks, and his name sounds, foreign. I've received forwarded emails claiming the President is muslim and instituting sharia law in the US. Those people, therefore, can't stand the President's policies. The only reason the people ginning up that line of specious attack can get away with it is because the President's skin color.
There was a video (I think it made it to this forum) of a guy on the beach in California asking people to sign a petition to support Obama in revoking the Bill of Rights. He got some people to sign it, probably because they (i) liked Obama and (ii) were dumber than Squiggles. I propose that you could go to redneck-ville Louisiana and ask people to sign a petition to oppose Obama protecting the Bill of Rights. People would sign that petition because they dislike Obama, just like the liberal morons in California that signed a petition because they like Obama.
TLDR version - people are stupid.
I hate to admit it but I do have racist thoughts once in awhile. Not trying to make any excuses, am I wrong for having those thoughts yes. Do I consider myself a racist, no.
I think most people will have racist thoughts and sometimes actions in their life, no matter what race they are. But most of them will not admit it to anyone.
I grew up in a white washed community, I'm white as a ghost and look that way, but funny thing is I'm mixed blood, kind of a Heinz 57. I even remember one of my most common childhood rhymes was outward racist "eeny meeny miny moe", I was taught and told racist jokes growing up, and I even find myself laughing at some of them today.
I honestly think racism is such a taboo few are afraid to admit they have ever had a racist thought, but most people have. I would go out on a limb and say everyone at sometime has a racist thought.
I'm not going to go on and list reasons why I'm not a racist. If you feel that I am because I admitted that I do have racist thoughts, there isn't much I can or will try to do to prove you otherwise.'
All I'm saying is having a racist thought don't make a person a racist. It's kind of like, wow I thought I could hit a home run when I stepped up to the plate, I must be a baseball star.
The race card is overplayed, and the majority of the time it has nothing to do about race. As to the US being the most racist country in the world? I doubt that, I personally have spent time in both Israel and South Korea, two countries far above with levels of tolerated racism. Just youtube KFC South Korea commercials. Stuff that would never fly in the US.
diethx
07-22-2013, 02:41 PM
outward racist "eeny meeny miny moe"
wut?
AnticorRifling
07-22-2013, 02:42 PM
wut?
Fun fact it wasn't a tiger you were catching by the toe.
diethx
07-22-2013, 02:44 PM
YES IT WAS!!!
wut?
eeny meeny miny moe catch a ______ by the toe, if he hollers, let him go, eeny meeny miny moe
I probably was 3 or 4 when I first heard or used it.
diethx
07-22-2013, 02:47 PM
It's a TIGER!! A tiger!!!!
It's a TIGER!! A tiger!!!!
I think I heard the tiger one used when I was 8 or 9....
Tgo01
07-22-2013, 02:51 PM
When I was a young racist tyke of three or four I didn't always pronounce the S in words so one day at the store I asked my dad if I could have a nicker bar. The black cashier wasn't none too pleased.
When I was a young racist tyke of three or four I didn't always pronounce the S in words so one day at the store I asked my dad if I could have a nicker bar. The black cashier wasn't none too pleased.
Thanks for my laugh of the day.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Tgo01 again.
Keller
07-22-2013, 02:58 PM
When I was a young racist tyke of three or four I didn't always pronounce the S in words so one day at the store I asked my dad if I could have a nicker bar. The black cashier wasn't none too pleased.
When she was a baby, my daughter didn't pronounce Rs in the middle of words.
She would drop her fork and cry "FUK!" and point to her fork. Shirt was another good one, but less often would she exclaim "SHIT!" in the middle of a restaurant.
diethx
07-22-2013, 03:05 PM
lol, kids.
And honestly, I always said tiger. Always. It didn't even occur to me that any other word was used in place of tiger... damn.
diethx
07-22-2013, 03:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IKIW6FHjB4
Methais
07-22-2013, 03:12 PM
Fun fact it wasn't a tiger you were catching by the toe.
That wasn't his toe either.
Latrinsorm
07-22-2013, 04:07 PM
So you're saying that conservatives in general play the race card just as much as liberals do?The conservative version is to attribute disagreements to the race card. For instance: it's obvious to people who aren't blinded by the race card that Obamacare is garbage. Or: the only reason you don't want to reform entitlements is because of people/media playing the race card.
The key, as always, is to make an accusation that can't be disproven.
Methais
07-22-2013, 05:39 PM
The conservative version is to attribute disagreements to the race card. For instance: it's obvious to people who aren't blinded by the race card that Obamacare is garbage. Or: the only reason you don't want to reform entitlements is because of people/media playing the race card.
The key, as always, is to make an accusation that can't be disproven.
Except that's usually in response to "You don't like Obamacare because you're racist!" or "You only want entitlement reform because you're racist!"
tyrant-201
07-22-2013, 05:40 PM
Except that's usually in response to "You don't like Obamacare because you're racist!" or "You only want entitlement reform because you're racist!"
That's racist :wtf:
Except that's usually in response to "You don't like Obamacare because you're racist!" or "You only want entitlement reform because you're racist!"
Who has said that?
Latrinsorm
07-22-2013, 06:27 PM
Except that's usually in response to "You don't like Obamacare because you're racist!" or "You only want entitlement reform because you're racist!"Suppose someone had said... "Playing the race card is usually in response to people not liking Obamacare because they're racist, or people only wanting entitlement reform because they're racist." The defenses are syntactically interchangeable, and it might say more about you that you find one compelling and one laughable.
Methais
07-22-2013, 06:56 PM
Who has said that?
When was the last time you turned on a TV or read an article? When Bush was still in office?
I'm not gonna go digging up articles or video clips to make a point that you already know is true because A) I'm too lazy right now and B) It will do no good in your case, since you'll remain in denial forever no matter what, even if they all showed up at your house in person to tell you that it was true and were brought there personally by Latrin after he went Super Saiyan.
But just to make sure I'm not misunderstanding you....you're saying that nobody in the media has ever made accusations of racism over things like not wanting Obamacare?
When was the last time you turned on a TV or read an article? When Bush was still in office?
I'm not gonna go digging up articles or video clips to make a point that you already know is true because A) I'm too lazy right now and B) It will do no good in your case, since you'll remain in denial forever no matter what, even if they all showed up at your house in person to tell you that it was true and were brought there personally by Latrin after he went Super Saiyan.
Well, isn't that convenient! You make a claim you aren't willing to back up. So, what, we are just supposed to believe you because you said so?
But just to make sure I'm not misunderstanding you....you're saying that nobody in the media has ever made accusations of racism over things like not wanting Obamacare?
Define media? Major news outlets? Social media? Twitter? Some guy shouting from a corner?
Methais
07-22-2013, 07:32 PM
Well, isn't that convenient! You make a claim you aren't willing to back up. So, what, we are just supposed to believe you because you said so?
Honestly, I didn't expect anyone to dispute it because it's been so glaringly obvious especially since 2008, though I should have known better than to think that at least when you're active. And forgive me for assuming that you might have been paying even a tiny bit of attention to the "news" for the past handful of years.
Define media? Major news outlets? Social media? Twitter? Some guy shouting from a corner?
Your usual suspects...NBC, ABC, MSNBC, etc. I don't count idiots on twitter or random bloggers as media. I barely count the ones I did mention as media, but they are, even if it's just on a technicality.
I'm not claiming that both sides don't do it. I'm saying the left makes chronic use of it, and apparently in your world, that has never happened.
I'm saying the left makes chronic use of it, and apparently in your world, that has never happened.
And this brings us back to me asking you to show us this, you claiming you are too lazy, and here we are again.
Post one article from the MSM that you claim claims objections to Obamacare are based on racism against Obama.
Androidpk
07-22-2013, 07:54 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/30/louisiana-democratic-party-chief-says-obamacare-critics-motivated-by-race/
Methais
07-22-2013, 07:57 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/30/louisiana-democratic-party-chief-says-obamacare-critics-motivated-by-race/
OMGFAUXNEWS INVALID
Methais
07-22-2013, 08:06 PM
Sebelius to NAACP: Obamacare Opponents Remind Me of Segregationists
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/07/17/sebelius-obamacare-opponents-remind-me-of-segregationists-n1642883
What you guys have posted... I would not call MSM vis a vie MAIN STREAM MEDIA. I would call both of the sources "people filling you heads with shit for advertising dollars".
To digress... it IS conspiratorial to think that EVERYONE who is against Obamacare is racist. Which I am pretty sure I agreed with earlier in this thread if anyone bothered to read my posts and had better than short term memory.
Tenlaar
07-22-2013, 08:20 PM
What you guys have posted... I would not call MSM vis a vie MAIN STREAM MEDIA.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/05/29/louisiana-democratic-chair-opposition-to-obamacare-is-about-race/
Methais
07-22-2013, 08:22 PM
What you guys have posted... I would not call MSM vis a vie MAIN STREAM MEDIA. I would call both of the sources "people filling you heads with shit for advertising dollars".
To digress... it IS conspiratorial to think that EVERYONE who is against Obamacare is racist. Which I am pretty sure I agreed with earlier in this thread if anyone bothered to read my posts and had better than short term memory.
How is that filling our heads with shit when it shows video clips of Obama's Secretary of Health and Human Services, and some cunt from La saying it? Where's the spin?
http://www.operanowpodcast.com/storage/nospin.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=133104365158 3
Candor
07-22-2013, 08:25 PM
Hey, at least it's a break from being called a homophobe. Unless they called you a racist homophobe?
I am rarely called a homophobe. That word has too many letters in it for most of the people who try to insult me.
Things like idiot, asshole, stupid, and fuck you are far more common.
This is good stuff. Processing. Is it an agenda by the so called MSM? Does the MSM include sources that rail against the MSM?
Is there a motive behind reporting selective stories regardless of the news source?
Androidpk
07-22-2013, 08:33 PM
What you guys have posted... I would not call MSM vis a vie MAIN STREAM MEDIA. I would call both of the sources "people filling you heads with shit for advertising dollars".
To digress... it IS conspiratorial to think that EVERYONE who is against Obamacare is racist. Which I am pretty sure I agreed with earlier in this thread if anyone bothered to read my posts and had better than short term memory.
What are you talking about? They're just the messenger in this instance. Or are you going to try and deny that Democratic Senator and Louisiana Democratic Party Chief did not get quoted saying
"I have talked to so many members both in the House and the Senate, and you know what? You ready? You ready? What it comes down to? It's not about how many federal dollars we can receive, it's not about that. You ready? It's about race," she said. "I know nobody wants to talk about that. It's about the race of this African-American president.
Also, no one claimed that everyone who is against the bill formerly known as the Affordable Care Act (because it isn't affordable) is only against it because the president is a white black.
There's also this poll by Rasmussen that shows that 1 in 5 Democrats think that MOST critics are critics only because they're racist.
http://www.discriminations.us/2009/09/rasmussen-most-democrats-believe-most-obamacare-critics-are-or-may-be-racist/
Methais
07-22-2013, 08:35 PM
This is good stuff. Processing. Is it an agenda by the so called MSM? Does the MSM include sources that rail against the MSM?
Is there a motive behind reporting selective stories regardless of the news source?
Thanks for being so predictable.
There's also this poll by Rasmussen that shows that 1 in 5 Democrats think that MOST critics are critics only because they're racist.
Rasmussen also predicted a Romney win.
SHAFT
07-22-2013, 08:44 PM
Thanks for being so predictable.
Don't take any guff from these swine!
Thanks for being so predictable.
How so? I know you know you don't know what I know about what you think you know about what I know.
Androidpk
07-22-2013, 08:52 PM
Rasmussen also predicted a Romney win.
Irrelevant to this discussion.
Irrelevant to this discussion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kc95RUuAZhI
Tgo01
07-22-2013, 09:15 PM
Is Back really saying people haven't called those against Obamacare racists? Didn't one house Democrat insist the reason the spending limit wasn't raised in time was because Obama is black?
Androidpk
07-22-2013, 09:25 PM
Is Back really saying people haven't called those against Obamacare racists? Didn't one house Democrat insist the reason the spending limit wasn't raised in time was because Obama is black?
He did try to say that yet when shown proof otherwise he acted oblivious to it. As usual.
Not quite.
What had happened was that it is not a general theme. Yes, there are people who will go outside the norm in both parties. But it is not a predominant theme of any one party.
Androidpk
07-22-2013, 09:42 PM
Not quite.
What had happened was that it is not a general theme. Yes, there are people who will go outside the norm in both parties. But it is not a predominant theme of any one party.
Aside from lulz trolls on a message board I haven't seen it. If any media outlet came out and said that a conservative or republican or anyone disagreeing with Obama is just because he is black they wouldn't last the rest of the week.
The whole point was you saying you only saw message board trolls claiming that critics were only criticizing because of Obama being black. There have been a number of instances where people in the media and Democrats have came out and said crap like that.
As you said though the opposite is true and that there people who hate Obama simply because he is black.
Tgo01
07-22-2013, 09:46 PM
Who was that one dumb bitch who was a "guest" on an MSNBC news program that said "it's straight up racism" when people disagree with Obama and they are all scared that a black man is in the White House? She also said women Republicans are all suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
Oh wait, Back said that never happened so I guess I imagined that.
Showal
07-22-2013, 10:01 PM
Lol all this talk about blacks. It's just a distraction from the real problem - Jews in banks. And they want you all distracted. Sheep.
Lol all this talk about blacks. It's just a distraction from the real problem - Jews in banks. And they want you all distracted. Sheep.
The real problem is Japs in all the Sushi shops. In the 80's they were nowhere to be found, today, their everywhere. Assimilating the culture. Resistance is Futile.
m444w
07-22-2013, 10:45 PM
The real problem is Japs in all the Sushi shops. In the 80's they were nowhere to be found, today, their everywhere. Assimilating the culture. Resistance is Futile.
Don't you dare talk about one of the greatest food groups known to man in this manner!
Don't you dare talk about one of the greatest food groups known to man in this manner!
I see they got to you all ready.... all hope is lost.
diethx
07-22-2013, 10:47 PM
Don't you dare talk about one of the greatest food groups known to man in this manner!
:puke:
Androidpk
07-22-2013, 10:49 PM
Don't you dare talk about one of the greatest food groups known to man in this manner!
I didn't know Japs were a food group.
SHAFT
07-22-2013, 11:06 PM
The real problem is Japs in all the Sushi shops. In the 80's they were nowhere to be found, today, their everywhere. Assimilating the culture. Resistance is Futile.
In la at least, many of the sushi spots are Korean. I cannot each sushi from anyone that isn't Japanese. The Japanese tend to do it right.
tyrant-201
07-22-2013, 11:20 PM
In la at least, many of the sushi spots are Korean. I cannot each sushi from anyone that isn't Japanese. The Japanese tend to do it right.
A lot of orange county ones are not japanese, or do not have japanese sushi chefs. The one I go to is a bit of a hole in the wall called Slow Fish. Believe they have one in LA as well, very good quality and definitely not Korean run. I wouldn't go to a Japanese owned Korean Barbeque place, either.
Androidpk
07-23-2013, 12:00 AM
Just because it is relevant to the discussion of asians and fish.
http://i44.tinypic.com/2v2d3bq.jpg
Methais
07-23-2013, 01:18 AM
Just because it is relevant to the discussion of asians and fish.
http://i44.tinypic.com/2v2d3bq.jpg
http://clint.sheer.us/download/imagedump/japan-no-further-explanation-needed.jpg
Who was that one dumb bitch who was a "guest" on an MSNBC news program that said "it's straight up racism" when people disagree with Obama and they are all scared that a black man is in the White House? She also said women Republicans are all suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanine_garofalo
The whole point was you saying you only saw message board trolls claiming that critics were only criticizing because of Obama being black. There have been a number of instances where people in the media and Democrats have came out and said crap like that.
As you said though the opposite is true and that there people who hate Obama simply because he is black.
I guarantee you those democrats will have very short political careers. What my point is is that saying people who dislike Obama or his policies is because he is black is NOT a major theme or thought of the MSM, liberals, progressives, or democrats. It is the whacky minority.
When someone like Methias hears someone on the whacky left say some crazy shit he attributes it to all people he considers left. On the other side of it people on the left hear some crazy shit from someone on the right and attribute all right people with it.
Like we were saying earlier in this thread. A few crazy fucks ruin it for the rest of us.
Rolling Stone sold twice as many magazines as usual with this issue. Capitalism wins again.
It looks like all that drama over Rolling Stone's recent issue featuring alleged Boston bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev on its cover really paid off for the magazine.
The cover (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/16/rolling-stone-boston-bomber-cover_n_3607630.html), which critics said "glamorized" Tsarnaev, was banned from pharmacies and supermarkets, denounced (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/17/rolling-stone-tsarnaev-menino_n_3611946.html?utm_hp_ref=media) by Boston's mayor, defended (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/19/ny-times-rolling-stone-boston-cover_n_3622652.html) and trashed (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/18/lawrence-odonnell-rolling-stone_n_3614483.html) in the media, and even targeted (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/18/boston-rolling-stone-cover-burning_n_3618173.html) in a proposed public burning campaign.
But, according to AdWeek (http://www.adweek.com/news/press/despite-controversy-rolling-stone-boston-bomber-issue-hit-newsstands-151560), the issue sold more than double Rolling Stone's usual average newsstand sales. Apparently, people wanted to see what all the fuss was about.
Tenlaar
08-01-2013, 01:36 PM
http://theniteranter.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/mission_accomplished.jpg
Methais
08-01-2013, 02:33 PM
I never noticed the cock with ears in the bottom left of that pic.
Latrinsorm
08-01-2013, 04:57 PM
Probably you were too focused on the cock with ears in the center BOOM.
Methais
08-01-2013, 05:16 PM
Probably you were too focused on the cock with ears in the center BOOM.
But you can't see his ears. You can just see part of his would be fro if he just let it go for a while.
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