Justice the old fashioned way

[theotherjohn]

Former priest John Geoghan, the convicted child molester whose prosecution sparked the sex abuse scandal that shook the Roman Catholic Church nationwide, died Saturday after another inmate attacked him in prison.

Geoghan was injured in an incident with another inmate about noon and died shortly after being taken to Leominster Hospital, said Department Of Correction spokeswoman Kelly Nantel.

The incident happened just after lunchtime at Souza-Baranowski Correction Center, about 30 miles northwest of Boston, Nantel said. Geoghan was being held in protective custody to shield him from the general prison population, but he still had some contact with other inmates, Nantel said.

The other inmate was being held in isolation and the incident is under investigation, she said. She declined to give further details.


In civil lawsuits, more than 130 people have claimed Geoghan sexually abused them as children during his three decades as a priest at Boston-area parishes. He was convicted last year of indecent assault and battery for fondling a 10-year-old boy at a swimming pool.

[Artha]

He's getting his punishment now, and will be for eternity. He can no longer hurt children, is there a reason to celebrate his death?

[HarmNone]

This could, and should, have been predicted. Prison inmates are notoriously hard on child molesters.

HarmNone

[Ilvane]

One less detestable human being on the planet.

Maybe now the victims can get some peace.

-A

Originally posted by Artha
He's getting his punishment now, and will be for eternity. He can no longer hurt children, is there a reason to celebrate his death?

STFU, Nobody wants to hear about your christian-ness. He molested kids, now he's dead. A fitting end, but he may be back someday in another form. Let's hope he's learned from this life and is a better person this time around.

- --[ Klaive ]-- -

... or dung beetle. Whatever he comes back as.

- --[ Klaive ]-- -

[Taernath]

Chill with the religion flaming, Klaive.

[i remember halloween]

i think its funny that he got beat to death. he deserves it.

[Artha]

Here's a more detailed story.

Story (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20030825/ts_nm/crime_church_geoghan_dc)

[Ben]

Klaive I'm sure if you were in prison you'd be alright.

[imported_Kranar]

<< i think its funny that he got beat to death. he deserves it. >>

While on the surface it's nice to think to yourself "Oh what a good thing he died! He deserved to get killed and I hope it brings closure to their families," it's only after reflecting on that statement does one realize how erroneous and even ignorant it is.

In championing his murder, you are not only condoning, but praising a prison inmate for comitting murder. You are virtually hailing the prison inmate who comitted this act as some sort of hero, as a servant of justice.

That is downright wrong. If my opinion seems harsh, it's because it is. Due process is incredibly important and should never be hijacked by a low life prison inmate. And should a low life prison inmate hijack due process, then it is nothing to either praise or respect in the least.

[Edited on 8-26-2003 by Kranar]

[Betheny]

What he deserved was to be locked up for the rest of his life, and denied the thing he seemingly enjoyed the most (hurting children.)

It'd be nice if there was a way to make him, or people like him, accept responsibility for their action. While I"m not sure a victim would want to show an abuser what happened to them, but it might be appropriate to force the abuser to see the horrible effect they had on their victims (assuming they don't get off on it.)

[Gokkem]

Well it's one less person the law abiding taxpayers have to support.

[Ben]

If we killed people for molesting children Gemstone III wouldn't have a staff.

[i remember halloween]

of course i paying homage to the guy who killed him. now another inmate needs to kill that guy and then another inmate needs to kill that guy and this needs to continue. we'll then be well on our way of eliminating the worthless scum that is the prison population. if i had it my way i'd deport all criminals to hell, sock strangulation style.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by i remember halloween
of course i paying homage to the guy who killed him. now another inmate needs to kill that guy and then another inmate needs to kill that guy and this needs to continue. we'll then be well on our way of eliminating the worthless scum that is the prison population. if i had it my way i'd deport all criminals to hell, sock strangulation style.

Oye.

You realize that the US imprisons a larger percentage of its population than any other nation on this earth don't you?

We have people imprisoned for a myriad of reasons that socially don't make sense.

Certainly murderers, child molesters, rapists etc etc should be in prison and in my opinion do not deserve to breathe. The single guy/girl that bought a dime bag of grass to consume in the privacy of his/her home doesn't rank up there. Prostitutes certainly don't rank up there. The list goes on.

The dregs of society? Please, those people populate corporate boardrooms and political offices.

This guy was murdered in cold blood, and I'm not going to bat an eyelash over it. He should have been strapped to the chair to begin with. I find no joy in his death, no satisfaction. Only disgust that he was allowed to harm so many in his lifetime.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Kranar
<< i think its funny that he got beat to death. he deserves it. >>

While on the surface it's nice to think to yourself "Oh what a good thing he died! He deserved to get killed and I hope it brings closure to their families," it's only after reflecting on that statement does one realize how erroneous and even ignorant it is.

In championing his murder, you are not only condoning, but praising a prison inmate for comitting murder. You are virtually hailing the prison inmate who comitted this act as some sort of hero, as a servant of justice.

That is downright wrong. If my opinion seems harsh, it's because it is. Due process is incredibly important and should never be hijacked by a low life prison inmate. And should a low life prison inmate hijack due process, then it is nothing to either praise or respect in the least.



I completely agree. We shouldn't be condoning murder of any sort like this. Besides, he got the easy way out. I would have preferred him living out the rest of his life behind bars.

[Weedmage Princess]

I agree. Death is way too easy. He should be thrown in a dark room infested with roaches and rats, and raped twice a day with a giant rod filled with hydrochloric acid.

[i remember halloween]

i'm not a fan of torture or 'teaching people lessons' guy violated the law and morality in the most vile of ways. he is impossible to correct and will only waste money by remaining alive. it's much better that he is dead.

[Gokkem]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
I agree. Death is way too easy. He should be thrown in a dark room infested with roaches and rats, and raped twice a day with a giant rod filled with hydrochloric acid.

LOL ouch Hydrochloric Acid? That stuff singes concrete at 5%. Harsh! I like it!

[imported_Kranar]

<< it's much better that he is dead. >>

So you wish to praise the scum prisoner who took his life. This is what the justice system needs? More prisoners with nothing better to do, hijacking the justice system and killing off others because they feel like it.

[Bobmuhthol]

I'm all for scum killing other scum. Good plan to me.

There is no such thing as religion.

[Apollyon]

No... See... Justice would've been the guy getting gang-banged by all the big black guys in the place... Then letting him heal, ang gangin him again for the rest of his natural life.

[imported_Kranar]

<< I'm all for scum killing other scum. Good plan to me. >>

Last time I checked, the U.S. was still considered a first world civilized nation.

If you want scum killing other scum and a justice system where prisoners are degraded, do some research on China, Saudi Arabia, and North Korea.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Kranar
<< I'm all for scum killing other scum. Good plan to me. >>

Last time I checked, the U.S. was still considered a first world civilized nation.


Clearly you haven't spoken to Strayrogue recently.



If you want scum killing other scum and a justice system where prisoners are degraded, do some research on China, Saudi Arabia, and North Korea.

The penal system in the US should be an entirely other thread, but would be interesting to discuss.

[imported_Kranar]

Well this is Justice the Old Fashioned way.

Apparantly some think that the justice system should be run and maintained by prison inmates instead of judges and juries.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Kranar
Well this is Justice the Old Fashioned way.

Apparantly some think that the justice system should be run and maintained by prison inmates instead of judges and juries.

Oh come on Kranar, don't be such a stick in the mud. We don't really want to have a system of complete anarchy, however the situation does force an embarased grin to the face of most Americans.

Do I want to be the one who is convicted in error and then killed by some one man judge, jury and executioner while in jail? Of course not. We really do understand the reason someone would shake their finger at us for our grinning at this example of jailhouse justice.

Americans however have throughout our history had a certain respect for the person who bucks the system to do what everyone pretty much knows is "right" even if it is against the law of the day.

We also have a history of distrust of authority and an overly strong government, even if in this age of the Patriot act we have slipped away some from our own history.

[imported_Kranar]

I know some people posting here like the IDEA of the priest being tortured, but also understand that it's not the right thing to do. Don't get me wrong on that.

But I think some others posting here, by their own clear indication, are serious when they state how glad they are that this priest was killed by a prison inmate. As if somehow it took a prison inmate murdering the priest for justice to be served.

If you don't get that same impression from some of these posts, then clearly we don't see eye to eye on our interpretations. It's those people I'm addressing, and hopefully trying to make them understand that justice is not served by prison inmates nor should it be.

[i remember halloween]

listen, i would not have wanted the priest tortured. torturing for any purpose aside from critical information extraction is invariably heinous and serves no purpose.

if i had it my way the priest simply would have walked from his conviction in the courtroom out to the gallows and taken a walk off the stage. this isn't what i would consider the best end, but it certainly is better than the priest having survived.

[Skirmisher]

As long as there is overwhelming evidence, I am not against the death penalty.

I would only be against torture for someone who abuses children as I would fear for those who had to inflict it upon the convicted. Anyone would be affected by doing such a thing, no matter the anger that they might have and for that reason I would not want to allow parents/spouses/family in general to enact such a punishment upon someone else.

Be sure it would not be out of concern of the convict in that situation.

A quick death though? You got my vote.

[Artha]

I pretty much agree with the victims. This guy had quite a bit of pennance left to do on earth...pity he died so quickly in jail.

[imported_Kranar]

This isn't about being for or against the death penalty. I too am not against it.

What I am strongly against are prison inmates deciding whether or not someone deserves the death penalty. That should be decided upon by the law abiding citizens, the judges, and the juries, not by scum who have nothing to lose.

[Artha]

And just think...he got killed because the neo-nazi hated homosexuals. If he had molested girls, he might still be alive.

Screwed up, eh?

[i remember halloween]

why do people always ask why? who cares. a scumbag got executed, great, case closed.

[imported_Kranar]

<< why do people always ask why? >>

Because the "why" is the understanding part.

There's the headline, and there's the news... the title, and the content. Until you know the why, you simply don't know. Hence the reason I stated that simply looking at the fact that the priest got murdered is looking at this situation in complete ignorance.

[Ben]

Originally posted by Artha
And just think...he got killed because the neo-nazi hated homosexuals. If he had molested girls, he might still be alive.

Screwed up, eh?


Actually I think he'd still be dead if he molested girls.