Bad Psinet!

[Nieninque]

Sheesh Jamus...share skills????
I didnt know about this function until some lowlife used it to check out my skills before he decided whether or not to attack me.

If it is necessary for this function to be on psinet, I think the default setting should be off, not on. If people want to share skills they should actively have to do that, rather than letting everyone had to elect otherwise if they dont.

For those that havent done so already;

psinet options shareskills off

[Stinkfist]

:jerkit:

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Nieninque]

Fuck off knobhead :stfu:

[Wezas]

I agree with Nien that this option should be disabled by default. Locate is another one that should be considered to be disabled by default.

[StrayRogue]

Yeah, just another reason why I'm keeping psinet untuned most the time thesedays. That and the increase of stupidity on the OOC channel.

[Stinkfist]

arrogance < stupidity

[Caiylania]

I think at most it should be you can SEND your skills to someone, not have to allow someone to access them.

Let's say a warrior wants to help me, so I have to turn on shareskills, wait for him to request it, then turn it back off so no one else does so. It's a pain. I would rather just have something like:

Psinet shareskills with >person<

I'll just stick to e-mail or AIMs for when someone actually needs to see them.

[Edited on 8-18-2004 by Caiylania]

[Nieninque]

I think you can do that through the FRIEND function so people you have on your psinet friends list can access it even when it is turned off.

You can block it from specific people when it is turned on by putting them on your HATE list, but it should be automatically set to off, so if you want to share, it should be an active choice, rather than just the way it is, for someone to get a full and up-to-date picture of all the skills I have.

I dont share that information with people

[Bobmuhthol]

<<but it should be automatically set to off>>

No, it shouldn't. That's why it isn't.

This is what PsiNet was made for. This is also where the "Don't like it, don't use it" viewpoint comes into play.

[Edited on 8-18-2004 by Bobmuhthol]

[Nieninque]

I dont agree bob.

If the default for OOC chat is set to off, Im pretty sure that the default for something like accessing a full list of someone's training should be to off. If people want to use it, they should have to turn it on...much like OOC chat.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<If the default for OOC chat is set to off>>

This isn't an argument at all. You choose what channels you're tuned to by manually tuning to them. PsiNet is not a chat room.

[Stinkfist]

:stupid:

[Stinkfist]

damn it Bob you ruined my post....

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<If the default for OOC chat is set to off>>

This isn't an argument at all. You choose what channels you're tuned to by manually tuning to them. PsiNet is not a chat room.

No but it provides a chat function which is, by default, set to off.

It is also, by definition, not a skills-sharing program, by it provides this facility for those that choose to use it.

Just the same as with the chat function, it should be an opt-in system rather than an opt-out system...particularly when the program did not previously have this function and it is updated so it can.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<No but it provides a chat function which is, by default, set to off.>>

Wrong. The chat function is, by default and always while linked, set to on.

[Artha]

Just do what I do.

alias set pskills=psinet options shareskills on\rpsinet skills \?\rpsinet options shareskills off\r

[StrayRogue]

Yeah, or have another channel, instead of OOC, be the channel you tune too when you log on.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Yeah, or have another channel, instead of OOC, be the channel you tune too when you log on.>>


??????????????????????????????????????

You don't have to be on a channel, and you never have to tune to OOC ever. People that complain about the channel are douche bags. Don't fucking tune to it in the first place.

[StrayRogue]

I know Bob. I was augmenting your "don't like OOC, don't tune in" argument.

[Nieninque]

Which is what I do (although we have an eavesdropper ;) ).

I am a fan of and an avid user of psinet but I dont understand what Jamus was thinking of when he made that function. Moreover, it was a shock to find out by some twat looking up my skills without me even knowing he could.

A good addition?
I dont think so

[Artha]

Moreover, it was a shock to find out by some twat looking up my skills without me even knowing he could.


It said the option was available in the update text that appeared right before (or right after, one or the other) you updated psinet. It's your fault for not reading.

[Stinkfist]

it is the shit, theres no easier way to find out if you are going in the wrong direction with training, or to settle an argument over skills.

:cool:

Its a keeper

[Bobmuhthol]

PsiNet has been around since GemStone III! It's gotta be good!

[AnticorRifling]

I like the share skills options. OMG my training plan is secret!!!!!

You are not a snowflake.

[Miss X]

Yeah, what Artha said. I was pretty miffed when I foud out about share skills, because I hadnt read the update text. I wouldn't whine about it though since if I'd read it I'd know so it was my fault. Not that I care about people knowing about my skills since I rock!!! ;)

Oh also, I do agree it should be set as off by default rather than on but its not a major deal.

[Jonty]

I'll agree that the shareskills option should be off by default. Though, if you would actually read what you're updating when you update Psinet, you would have know all this already....

Like Artha said, it's your fault.

[Miss X]

Yeah, what Artha said. I was pretty miffed when I foud out about share skills, because I hadnt read the update text. I wouldn't whine about it though since if I'd read it I'd know so it was my fault. Not that I care about people knowing about my skills since I rock!!! ;)

Oh also, I do agree it should be set as off by default rather than on but its not a major deal.

[Parkbandit]

It's only an issue because snerts feel the need to use it to find out how many levels you are and if you have any weaknesses.

PS - I had two idiots use it on me last night before I turned it off.

[Hulkein]

I must say I wish it was set to off as default also... Or at least give us some sort of warning.

When was this feature implemented?

[StrayRogue]

It is unique to the last update, I believe.

[Artha]

When was this feature implemented?

The last update.

[Weedmage Princess]

I'll agree, should be set as OFF by default.

Luckily, I did read the Update before I did it, saw that and IMMEDIATELY turned that crap off.

[Artha]

Here's the exact text from said update.

The PsiNet lets you know that your client is out of date!

Updated 05/13/04. Download the newest client now! (Beta 12.0 build 31)

Build 31 of the PsiNet client has some new features as well as some long-needed fixes.
- Library won't crash when you try to post text entries.
- Fixed some assorted typos. (Targetting)
- No more "GSt" panic messages when PsiNet is used in certain cases.
- Aliases may now override SpellShorts. Additionally, for people having trouble, Spellshorts is now toggleable by character instead of globally.
- UNSTUN and DETECT spell shorts have been removed because of conflict with new game verbs.
- New WWW verb for launching web pages from within the game.
* Also adds some new verbs, GOOGLE to search google.com, DEFINE to search dictionary.com, PCFORUMS and PCTODAY to launch the Player's Corner Forums.
- PSINET FRIENDS and PSINET HATE lists. Friends can always locate/magic/etc. you, even if you have it turned off. Enemies can never locate/magic/etc. you, even if you have it turned on.
- PSINET SKILLS [Person] : Now you can check another person's skills without them having to mail it to you. Toggles with ShareSkills.
- You can now say 35th and other abbreviations using the , shortcut for CHAT.
- Reformatted the list displays for various MAGIC displays. (Was that this version??)
- XP now tracks your 7-day Gift of Lumnis (XXX) cycle.
- Your own private thoughts to other people are now displayed like regular thoughts. In other words, they show as [PrivateTo]-Target: "Message"
- I could swear there's more, but I can't think of it.

[Jonty]

Originally posted by Hulkein
I must say I wish it was set to off as default also... Or at least give us some sort of warning.


There was a warning.... Read the update text above.

[Hulkein]

Ya, I didn't see that, was my fault.

I didn't take the time to read the update information.

I still think the courteous thing to do would be set it as OFF initially.

[Bobmuhthol]

This isn't Pleasure Cruise Express. It's fucking PsiNet. It was made as a utility to do these things, and then people complain that they can be done.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Artha
Just do what I do.

alias set pskills=psinet options shareskills onrpsinet skills ?rpsinet options shareskills offr :yeahthat: I do agree that the default should be set to off automatically. It does help to read up on the updates.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
This isn't Pleasure Cruise Express. It's fucking PsiNet. It was made as a utility to do these things, and then people complain that they can be done.

Tell me why it shouldn't be set OFF as default, that way everyone who actually reads the update reports can set theirs to on when they actually have a need to look at someones skills? An answer besides 'Jamus didn't do that' please.

I'm not boycotting PSInet or anything because it does have great utilities. I'll just go out of my way to read every update report now.

[Edited on 8-18-2004 by Hulkein]

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Tell me why it shouldn't be set OFF as default>>

Because then everyone who wanted it would have to turn it on. It's much more convenient having people turn it off if they don't want it, since the purpose of the program is to utilize the sharing of information. Everything is automatically on because it's all useful and used. If you don't like it, you can turn it off. I'll stick to not having to deal with the hassle of enabling things.

[Artha]

I'll just go out of my way to read every update report now.

Is it really that 'out of your way' to read a paragraph of text?

[Hulkein]

<<since the purpose of the program is to utilize the sharing of information.>>

Exactly, so anyone who knows of this option and wants to take advantage of it could then take the initiative to turn their option on and tell the other person their sharing with to turn it on.

It doesn't make sense to have half of the users to have an option which can be harmful to them turned on without their knowledge.

If it came set to off by default, almost 100% of the usage for this function would be constructive and as it was meant for. Not to check unsuspecting peoples skills to kill them.

[Hulkein]

<<Is it really that 'out of your way' to read a paragraph of text? >>

In this case it was. I just got a new computer and was just downloading all the old utilities I had on my old one. I don't recall even seeing a paragraph of text displaying the update information upon download. Maybe it was because I was in a rush.

That is a question of mine though. When you download it through wizard, does it automatically show you the update info? I have no recollection of it.

[Artha]

The notes appeared before I actually downloaded the update.

[StrayRogue]

I'll confess to be the type of person who doesn't read the manual before he plays the game. But in this case I read the update, thankfully. Must be getting old.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Exactly, so anyone who knows of this option and wants to take advantage of it could then take the initiative to turn their option on and tell the other person their sharing with to turn it on.>>

No, if you're using the program, you should be using it to take advantage of these options. Any other reason, and you're dumb.

<<It doesn't make sense to have half of the users to have an option which can be harmful to them turned on without their knowledge.>>

Nobody's asking them to use the program. And when sharing my skills is harmful to me, I'll care.

<<Not to check unsuspecting peoples skills to kill them.>>

It's their fault if that happens.

[Parkbandit]

It's a useless utility with the exception of:

1) PvP - Determining a foes strengths and weaknesses.
2) Helping out a friend who is asking you for help with their stats.

Percentage for use:

1) 95.685645%
2) 4.314355%

[Hulkein]

So basically your answer comes down to 'Because Jamus made it that way' and 'it doesn't affect me.' That's what I figured.

[Bobmuhthol]

And your answer is, "WAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAH BUT I WANT IT MY WAY BECAUSE I CAN'T STAND TO TYPE PSINET OPTIONS SHARESKILLS OFF, AND I WANT EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO USE IT TO BE HASSLED."

[Hulkein]

No, that's not my answer. I was never asked any questions.

My only input is that if set OFF by default, the risk of being abused is GREATLY reduced while the intended use of the option does not suffer at all.

[Drew2]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
It's a useless utility with the exception of:

1) PvP - Determining a foes strengths and weaknesses.
2) Helping out a friend who is asking you for help with their stats.

Percentage for use:

1) 95.685645%
2) 4.314355%

Truthfully, I questioned the usefullness to Jamus the day he was programming it. He seemed to think it was a good thing so I just let him go with it.

The default setting for it is irrelevent. Just turn it off and shut the fuck up.

[Wezas]

While I see both sides of the argument...


Originally posted by Artha
- PSINET SKILLS [Person] : Now you can check another person's skills without them having to mail it to you. Toggles with ShareSkills. It is enabled by default.


Would have been nice in the update text.

[Artha]

Everything is enabled by default.

[Drew2]

I believe I said to disable it and shut the fuck up.

[Nakiro]

I really like the feature. I'm with Anticor. WTF are you so protective of your ultra secret uber training program?

OH SHIT YOU DIED BECAUSE SOMEONE LOOKED AT YOUR SKILL OH NOES.

What are you all so afraid about? I like showing off my training, and there are plenty of people who could (easily) kill me if they wanted.

Though I would guess if it were to change, I'd like to see it removed and the option to send skills to a person be implemented. I guess that might be a bit more protective of people's privacy.

You all seem a bit paranoid to me.

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Nakiro
I really like the feature. I'm with Anticor. WTF are you so protective of your ultra secret uber training program?

OH SHIT YOU DIED BECAUSE SOMEONE LOOKED AT YOUR SKILL OH NOES.

What are you all so afraid about? I like showing off my training, and there are plenty of people who could (easily) kill me if they wanted.

Though I would guess if it were to change, I'd like to see it removed and the option to send skills to a person be implemented. I guess that might be a bit more protective of people's privacy.

You all seem a bit paranoid to me.

Youre such a pompous bastard sometimes.

Firstly I didn't die. A knob started causing trouble and was thinking of fighting me until he checked my skills and then he backed off big style.

It's not even about dying. If I get into a conflict and die, oh well, that's life. As PB pointed out, 95% of the use of this function is OOC pvp. Thats crap.

And I'm not scared of sharing my training. I am just selective about who I share it with.
If someone wants to know my training they can always ask me.

And the fact that you have contradicted yourself in the last sentence of your post shows me that really you havent got a clue what you think.

Never mind, keep following the flock ;)

:baa:

[Stinkfist]

are you dense? 95% of the use? I dont know about you guys, but ive yet to have anyone psinet skill me that was trying to kill me, and even IF i were fighting with someone the first thing i would do it turn it off...

I use it to see how random people train, i think that it is an informative way of deciding a training schedule without being a nerd and sking everyone on the planet....

if it helped you get OUT of a fight, then STFU

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Never mind, keep following the flock>>

Most people (all of them dumb for doing so) are agreeing with you.

Originally posted by Nieninque

Originally posted by Nakiro
I really like the feature. I'm with Anticor. WTF are you so protective of your ultra secret uber training program?

OH SHIT YOU DIED BECAUSE SOMEONE LOOKED AT YOUR SKILL OH NOES.

What are you all so afraid about? I like showing off my training, and there are plenty of people who could (easily) kill me if they wanted.

Though I would guess if it were to change, I'd like to see it removed and the option to send skills to a person be implemented. I guess that might be a bit more protective of people's privacy.

You all seem a bit paranoid to me.

Youre such a pompous bastard sometimes.

Firstly I didn't die. A knob started causing trouble and was thinking of fighting me until he checked my skills and then he backed off big style.

It's not even about dying. If I get into a conflict and die, oh well, that's life. As PB pointed out, 95% of the use of this function is OOC pvp. Thats crap.

And I'm not scared of sharing my training. I am just selective about who I share it with.
If someone wants to know my training they can always ask me.

And the fact that you have contradicted yourself in the last sentence of your post shows me that really you havent got a clue what you think.

Never mind, keep following the flock ;)

:baa:

[Nakiro]

Originally posted by Nieninque

Originally posted by Nakiro
I really like the feature. I'm with Anticor. WTF are you so protective of your ultra secret uber training program?

OH SHIT YOU DIED BECAUSE SOMEONE LOOKED AT YOUR SKILL OH NOES.

What are you all so afraid about? I like showing off my training, and there are plenty of people who could (easily) kill me if they wanted.

Though I would guess if it were to change, I'd like to see it removed and the option to send skills to a person be implemented. I guess that might be a bit more protective of people's privacy.

You all seem a bit paranoid to me.

Youre such a pompous bastard sometimes.

Firstly I didn't die. A knob started causing trouble and was thinking of fighting me until he checked my skills and then he backed off big style.

It's not even about dying. If I get into a conflict and die, oh well, that's life. As PB pointed out, 95% of the use of this function is OOC pvp. Thats crap.

And I'm not scared of sharing my training. I am just selective about who I share it with.
If someone wants to know my training they can always ask me.

And the fact that you have contradicted yourself in the last sentence of your post shows me that really you havent got a clue what you think.

Never mind, keep following the flock ;)

:baa:

What did you not understand about my statement, or at least find contradicting?

Do I like the current version? Yes. It is already released though. Changing it to be default would do nothing, and creating a second toggle so skills could be shared for uses such as tracking spell durations but not for looking at someones skill lists would be redundant, confusing, and it'd also come accross the same problem that came out with this one (IE no one would know about it and bitch when it was set to default too).

Thus my proposed change.

But what does this have to do with being paranoid?

Oh, and about the other assumption(s?), I'm sorry.

[Edited on 8-19-2004 by Nakiro]

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Stinkfist
are you dense? 95% of the use? I dont know about you guys, but ive yet to have anyone psinet skill me that was trying to kill me, and even IF i were fighting with someone the first thing i would do it turn it off...

I use it to see how random people train, i think that it is an informative way of deciding a training schedule without being a nerd and sking everyone on the planet....

if it helped you get OUT of a fight, then STFU

He was being a snert.
He already killed Nalina.
He came looking for me.
I didnt know about this function (although wholly accept that it was part of the update info) therefore wouldnt have thought to turn it off.
I also wouldnt have thought to turn it off as it is OOC info and somewhat naively, I dont use OOC info to facilitate CvC fights as that is impossible to justify as CvC rather than PvP.
Just as naively, I expect other people not to engage in PvP rather than CvC - shit I dont even use Psinet locate for fights. I know thats a stupid thing to expect, but thats why it wouldnt have crossed my mind.
I dont mind helping people out and, if asked by someone that wanted help, would share that information with them.
I have done in the past although this has been over IM's rather than in game.
The addition to psinet in itself is a good thing, but it exists all of a sudden where once it didnt and is already being abused by snerts (read Falgrins post above).

As to your final, eloquently put point, I'm not scared of getting into conflict. I actually quite like it. If it remains CvC it can be fun.
He didnt do me any favours by seeing he could get his ass kicked and then running off scared...so how about you :stfu:

[Edited on 19-8-04 by Nieninque]

[Latrinsorm]

PsiNet doesn't make someone an OOC jerkoff. Even if this new gizmo's default was off, the person would still be an OOC jerkoff. That, and most of the things Bob said.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<He already killed Nalina.>>

Nalina sucks anyway. I took her leg off with a 158 endroll. I was using a dagger.

[Wezas]

BTW, has PSInet been down for the past few hours?

[Snapp]

Yup, it's been down for me too.

[Betheny]

psinet's been down since late this afternoon.

[Shari]

Bob?

Please die, thanks.





I bought some better armor.

But still die, thank you.