The Flip Flop Olympics

[xtc]

I thought this was funny and it is bound to start an interesting thread. See how you do.

http://www.GeorgeWBush.com/Olympics

[Stinkfist]

how in the hell can you post Pro Bush shit?

Nobody like Kerry either, but fuck put Nader on there if you have too...
PS
I dont want to download Flash on my sisters comp, so ill probably say something else as soon as i get my set back up....:argue:

[Wezas]

Ok, I didn't mind when it was individuals creating these flash games and such making fun of political opponents. Jibjab, anti-Kerry, anti-Bush sites, etc.

But this is on Bush's Election website - and is Paid for by BUSH-CHENEY ‘04, Inc.

There goes any respect I had for their campaign.

[Hulkein]

You weren't going to vote for their campaign anyway. I doubt they care for your opinion.

[Kefka]

# Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.

# Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.

# Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.

# Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.

# Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.

# Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.

# Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.

# Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.

# Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.

# Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.

# Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits

# Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.

# Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.

# Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.

# Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will

# Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.

# Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote

# Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team.

# Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.

[Kefka]

1. Bush Flip-Flops on Independent 9/11 Commission

Bush Flip: Initially Opposed to Independent 9/11 Commission
Bush opposed an independent inquiry into 9/11, arguing it would duplicate a probe conducted by Congress. In July 2002, his administration issued a "statement of policy" that read "...the Administration would oppose an amendment that would create a new commission to conduct a similar review [to Congress's investigation]." [Statement of Administration Policy, Executive Office of the President, 7/24/02; LA Times, 11/28/02]

Bush Flop: Bush Relented and Appointed Independent Commission
President Bush finally agreed to support an independent investigation into the 9/11 attacks after "the congressional committees unearthed more and more examples of intelligence lapses, the administration reversed its stance." [Los Angeles Times, 11/28/02]


2. Bush Flip-Flops on Independent WMD Commission

Bush Flip: Refuses to Call for Independent Bipartisan Commission on Weapons of Mass Destruction
"President Bush said on January 30, 2004, 'I want to know the facts' about any intelligence failures concerning Saddam Hussein's alleged cache of forbidden weapons but he declined to endorse calls for an independent investigation." [AP, 1/30/04]

Bush Flop: Bush Appoints WMD Investigation Commission
President Bush named a nine-member bipartisan commission to investigate U.S. intelligence-gathering capabilities in February 2004. The AP noted, "Bush had initially opposed a commission, but agreed to do so as calls grew from Republican lawmakers as well as Democrats." The Los Angeles Times reported, "The White House opposed that panel initially, then backed down under pressure, and some say administration officials now regret doing so because the administration has become locked in a series of embarrassing battles with the Sept. 11 commission." The New York Times noted Bush "gave the panel until March 2005, well after the November elections, to submit its conclusions." [NY Times, 2/7/04; LA Times, 2/1/04; AP, 2/6/04]


3. Bush Flip-Flops on Time He'll Spend With 9/11 Commission

Bush Flip: Would Meet For Only One Hour With 9/11 Commission
McClellan: Obviously, as part of this, the President will be meeting with the chairman and vice chairman at some point in the near future. We are still working on the exact time of that meeting. We have discussed with the commission what we believe is a reasonable period of time to provide the chairman and vice chairman with answers to all of their questions.
Q: Is that the one-hour time frame?
McClellan: That's what I'm referring to. [WH Press Briefing, 3/9/04]

Bush Flop: White House Says No Time Limit on President's Testimony
"President George W. Bush will privately answer all questions raised by the federal commission investigating the September 11 attacks, the White House said, suggesting that Bush might allow the interview to extend beyond the one-hour limit originally offered to the panel by the White House. 'He's going to answer all the questions they want to raise,' said the White House spokesman, Scott McClellan, whose remarks suggested that the White House was softening its negotiating stance toward the bipartisan commission. 'Nobody's watching the clock.'" [WH Press Briefing, 3/9/04; International Herald Tribune, 3/11/04]


4. Bush Flip-Flops On Calling For A U.N. Vote On Iraq War

Bush Flip: U.S. Will Seek U.N. Vote For War With Iraq
Bush: ...yes, we'll call for a vote.
Question: No matter what?
Bush: No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam. [Bush News Conference, 3/6/03, emphasis added]

Bush Flop: Bush Attacked Iraq Without U.N. Vote
Bush "failed to win explicit [security] council approval for the use of force" in Iraq. Two days before bombs began to fall in Iraq, the Bush administration withdrew its resolution from the UN Security Council that would have authorized military force. Bush abandoned his call for a vote after it became clear that the US could muster only four votes in support of force. [Washington Post, 3/21/03; Los Angeles Times, 3/18/03]


5. Bush Flip-Flops on Department Of Homeland Security

Bush Flip: Bush Thought Homeland Security Cabinet Position Was "Just Not Necessary"
In October 2001, White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer said Bush opposed creating Office of Homeland Security position for Ridge. "[T]he president has suggested to members of Congress that they do not need to make this a statutory post, that he [Ridge] does not need Cabinet rank, for example, there does not need to be a Cabinet-level Office of Homeland Security is because there is such overlap among the various agencies, because every agency of the government has security concerns," Fleischer said. [White House Press Briefing, 10/24/01]

Bush Flop: Bush Decides to Support Homeland Security
The New York Times reported, "Bush initially resisted Democratic proposals for a Cabinet-level agency. But once he endorsed it, the president pushed Congress for fast action as it debated such issues as whistle-blower protections, concerns over civil liberties and collective bargaining for department employees."

In remarks to Homeland Security Department employees, Bush claimed credit for supporting the Department: "In just 12 months, under the leadership of your President...you faced the challenges standing up this new Department and you get a -- and a gold star for a job well done." [New York Times, 2/28/03; Bush Remarks at One-Year Anniversary of DHS, 3/2/04]


6. Bush Flip-Flops on Gay Marriage

Bush Flip: It's Up to the States to Decide
In a 2000 presidential primary debate, candidate George W. Bush said gay marriage was a state's issue, saying, "The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into." [Presidential Primary Debate, 2/15/00]

Bush Flop: Bush Supports Constitutional Amendment That Restricts States' Rights
Bush: "If we are to prevent the meaning of marriage from being changed forever, our nation must enact a constitutional amendment to protect marriage in America. Decisive and democratic action is needed, because attempts to redefine marriage in a single state or city could have serious consequences throughout the country." [Bush, 2/24/04]


7. Bush Flip-Flops on Using Military For Nation Building

Bush Flip: Bush Promised Not to Use Military for Nation Building
In a campaign rally in Tennessee, then-Presidential candidate Bush criticized the Clinton administration for using the military in nation-building missions. Bush said, "I'm worried about an opponent who uses nation-building and the military in the same sentence. See, our view of the military is for our military to be properly prepared to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place." [Governor George W. Bush, 11/6/00]

Bush Flop: President Used Military for Nation Building in Afghanistan and Iraq
After the removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, Bush met with soldiers stationed in Afghanistan at the White House and thanked them for their nation building efforts. A senior administration official said, "The administration, with its international partners, is doing something akin to nation-building." The plans for a post war Iraq also included nation building measures and, according to the Baltimore Sun, "Secretary of State Colin L. Powell confirmed...that Bush was considering, among other options, installing a U.S.-led occupation government if Hussein's regime is removed." [Baltimore Sun, 10/19/02]


8. Bush Flip-Flops on Hybrid Automobiles

Bush Flip: Bush Mocked Gore's Tax Credit for Hybrid Cars
"'How many of you own hybrid electric gasoline engine vehicles? If you look under there, you'll see that's one of the criteria necessary to receive tax relief. So when he talks about targeted tax relief that's pretty darn targeted,' Bush told the Arlington Heights rally, drawing laughs." [Chicago Sun-Times, 10/29/00]

Bush Flop: Bush Supported Investing in Hybrid Cars
In his State of the Union speech, Bush said, "Tonight I am proposing $1.2 billion in research funding so that America can lead the world in developing clean, hydrogen-powered automobiles. ... Join me in this important innovation, to make our air significantly cleaner, and our country much less dependent on foreign sources of energy." [White House, "President Delivers 'State of the Union,'" 1/28/03]


9. Bush Flip-Flops on Assault Weapons Ban

Bush Flip: Bush Supports Extending Assault Weapons Ban
Ashcroft: "It is my understanding that the president-elect of the United States has indicated his clear support for extending the assault weapons ban, and I will be pleased to move forward with that position." [Confirmation Hearing, Senate Judiciary Committee, 1/17/01]

Bush Flop: Bush Opposes Extension of Assault Weapons Ban
"The White House is opposing addition of gun show and assault weapons restrictions to a bill shielding firearms makers and dealers from lawsuits, prompting angry complaints from Democrats that President Bush is reneging on earlier support for the two proposals...In a statement [on February 24, 2004], the White House urged passage of the lawsuits measure without amendments that might delay its enactment. 'Any amendment that would delay enactment of the bill beyond this year is unacceptable,' the statement said. Democrats interpreted this as an effort to undermine support for the gun-control measures. 'For the president to say he is for the assault weapons ban but then act against it is a flip-flop if there ever was one,' said Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), one of several sponsors of the assault weapons proposal in the Senate." [Washington Post, 2/26/04]


10. Bush Flip-Flops on Steel Tariffs

Bush Flip: Bush Imposes Steel Tariffs
"President Bush on [March 5, 2002] slapped punishing tariffs of 8% to 30% on several types of imported steel in an effort to help the ailing U.S. industry, drawing criticism from American allies and mixed reviews at home. 'An integral part of our commitment to free trade is our commitment to enforcing trade laws to make sure that America's industries and workers compete on a level playing field,' Bush said in a statement issued by the White House." [USA Today, 3/5/02]

Bush Flop: Bush Rescinds Steel Tariffs
"Facing a potential global trade war, President Bush on [December 4, 2003] lifted tariffs he imposed on foreign steel 21 months ago, declaring the U.S. steel industry healthy and ready to compete despite the industry's claim that it needs more time to recover." [Chicago Tribune, 12/5/03]

[Hulkein]

Every politician has minor flip flops. It is a matter of what issue it is and when it came. Whether or not outside occurences necessitated change or not.

[Parkbandit]

:whocares::deadhorse:

[Kefka]

Heh. Except when Bush flip flops, we all feel it.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Kefka
Heh. Except when Bush flip flops, we all feel it.

Uh huh.

I know Kefka.. whatever Bush does is evil and whatever Kerry does is absolutely glorious. I get it. Really.

[Kefka]

Finally!

Seriously, I don't agree with Kerry's stance on every issue, but at least I don't have to spin what he really means on those issues. By the way, I don't think Bush is evil. I think he's the Anti-Christ. :devilsmile:

[xtc]

how much are we the public responsible for these flip flop kings. In Ontario, Canada where I live we just elected the biggest idiot for Premier. Premier is like Governor. He made something like 600 election promises and said he could do it without raising taxes. During the campaign, many independent organisations said his proposed budget didn't add and he would be $3 Billion short every year. Well the idiots of Ontario elected him and he started breaking promises on his first day in office. Of course the liberal media in Canada were in cohouts to get this idiot elected.

My point is it was evident to any thinking person that he couldn't possibly do what he promised. I wonder if we the electorated gave unrealistic expectations.

If Kerry the douche bag gets elected he will will start braking promises faster than he can lie. Then all the newspapers & people who voted for him will feign surprise.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Kefka
I don't think Bush is evil. I think he's the Anti-Christ. :devilsmile:

How can you say that?
http://jeffblazer.com/bush_jesus.jpg

[Tirayana]

Bush sucks.

Every presidential nominee makes promises they can't keep, it's all talk until they get in office.

The fact remains, though, that Bush has done absolutely nothing good for the country..except maybe that No Child Left Behind thing, but that's not really doing any good for college students like myself <ahem>.

Die, Bush. Die. :flamewar:

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Wezas

Originally posted by Kefka
I don't think Bush is evil. I think he's the Anti-Christ. :devilsmile:

How can you say that?
http://jeffblazer.com/bush_jesus.jpg

If I was weak enough to believe that there actually was a God or son of God.. then I suppose I would give two shits about your anti-Christ retoric.

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Who would Jesus vote for? (http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=FF-APO-PLS&idq=/ff/story/0001/20040818/0824676321.htm)


[Edited on 8-18-2004 by Backlash]

[Hulkein]

Jesus wouldn't vote for either of them.

You have one who supports the murder of children, and one who wages war pre-emptively.

While I do agree with the pre-emptive war in Iraq, Jesus would most certainly turn the other cheek.

[xtc]

lol funny link.

It reminds of me of an article a few years ago that stated God was a Republican. If I remember correctly some academic with too much time on his hands studied the Bible and attributed the traits there to each party and found that if God is found in the Bible then he is a Republican. Obviously it was a light piece.

I suppose then it is no surprise that if the Father is a Republican, the Son is a bleeding heart liberal. How many families have you seen where the father has clawed his way to the top and has earned his way to riches and success and he is a Republican. The son born into a life of privilege and ease becomes what I call a “guilt lefty” and a died in the wool liberal and democrat. Looks like the almighty has the same kind of family lol.

[Back]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Jesus wouldn't vote for either of them.

You have one who supports the murder of children, and one who wages war pre-emptively.

While I do agree with the pre-emptive war in Iraq, Jesus would most certainly turn the other cheek.

??????

[Hulkein]

Infants. Abortion.

[Kefka]

While the other is in support of the killing of other people's children. example: Iraq

[Chadj]

<<You have one who supports the murder of children>>

In your opinion, it is murder.

Also, Jesus sucks.
(thanks to Falgrin for the picture<3)

[Edited on 8-18-2004 by Chadj]

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Kefka
While the other is in support of the killing of other people's children. example: Iraq


I said that in my post.

<<and one who wages war pre-emptively>>

Thanks for spelling it out though. There are a lot of people here who don't realize war = casualties.

[Edited on 8-18-2004 by Hulkein]

[GSLeloo]

Not sure if you were being sarcastic or not Hulkein but that is a very true statement. Some people truly don't understand the fact that war means our people and their people are dying. And I don't care on which side it is, I don't want anyone to have to die.

[Hulkein]

I was being sarcastic.

Not many people want others to die. Unfortunately if it takes a thousand of our brave soldiers today to save tens or hundreds of thousands of civilians (of any country) and soldiers down the line, it is worth it.

[Edited on 8-18-2004 by Hulkein]

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Backlash
Who would Jesus vote for? (http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=FF-APO-PLS&idq=/ff/story/0001/20040818/0824676321.htm)
Wezas is correct, Jesus wouldn't vote for either. Unless I miss my guess, Jesus would either be pulling an Eschaton or starting la revolucion.

Also, don't religious people have anything better to do? Go spread the word, lazy bastards.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by Backlash
Who would Jesus vote for? (http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=FF-APO-PLS&idq=/ff/story/0001/20040818/0824676321.htm)
Wezas is correct, Jesus wouldn't vote for either. Unless I miss my guess, Jesus would either be pulling an Eschaton or starting la revolucion.


Hulkein said that, but you were correct about me being right. :yes:

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Jesus seemed like a cool dude to party with.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Backlash
Jesus seemed like a cool dude to party with.

Gotta love a guy who makes booze from water.

"Dude, <toke> do that walk on water thing again, <toke> that was the shit!"

[Back]

Jesus was the real rebel, right? Rebelled against the Romans? The term “Republic” comes from the Roman times. It means that a group of aristocrats decide policy.

Freaking Jesus.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Wezas
Hulkein said thatEr, yeah. :oops: You guys are easy to get mixed up? I'm sure you have at least... two things in common.

Backlash, check out Kerry's ancestry (hint: used to be Cohen). He's a shoe-in!