Milk - Does it Do a Body Good?

[Latrinsorm]

So it occurred to me that American (bovine) milk might be bad for me. What about soy or, failing that, almond? Well it turns out there are a huge number of shrieking madpersons on the internet claiming both sides for every option, and I'm not sure which of them to trust so I thought I would turn to the shrieking madpersons we have here.

Healthy-speaking, which is the best option? Assume that I am neither an infant nor pregnant.

[Tgo01]

Goat milk, straight from the source.

[Gelston]

LAtrin, are you playing a character named Khariz or something similar?

[DmNerd]

While I don't have a specific nutrition background, I've been a crossfit coach for 4 years and a Licensed Massage Therapist (and Massage Instructor) for 3. Take that for what you think it's worth. Generally speaking most of the calcium in cow's milk is indigestible by the human body as is. That's why lots of milk is vitamin D fortified (you need vitamin to absorb calcium). You can't milk an almond so what you're generally drink is almond water (plus whatever they add in the processing). If you're a vegan then soy is an option but if you're male you need to be mindful of phytoestrogens and their effect on the body. Research is still unreliable about the effects on the male body.

Ultimately I would suggest sitting down and figuring out what it is that you want from milk. If it's stronger bones then I would recommend deep leafy greens like spinach and kale. Plus meats. If you just enjoy the taste and don't mind processed foods I would say go almond milk. Personally I'd consider soy a last resort.

[Tgo01]

Spinach tastes horrible in my cereal though.

[Allereli]

coconut milk

[msconstrew]

Milk. Is. Disgusting. Coconut milk or almond milk, but I am cool with none at all.

[Latrinsorm]

LAtrin, are you playing a character named Khariz or something similar?I am not playing GS at all, but the allegation that I would play a gross male character is both spurious and hurtful. Doesn't Khariz post here?
While I don't have a specific nutrition background, I've been a crossfit coach for 4 years and a Licensed Massage Therapist (and Massage Instructor) for 3. Take that for what you think it's worth. Generally speaking most of the calcium in cow's milk is indigestible by the human body as is. That's why lots of milk is vitamin D fortified (you need vitamin to absorb calcium). You can't milk an almond so what you're generally drink is almond water (plus whatever they add in the processing). If you're a vegan then soy is an option but if you're male you need to be mindful of phytoestrogens and their effect on the body. Research is still unreliable about the effects on the male body.

Ultimately I would suggest sitting down and figuring out what it is that you want from milk. If it's stronger bones then I would recommend deep leafy greens like spinach and kale. Plus meats. If you just enjoy the taste and don't mind processed foods I would say go almond milk. Personally I'd consider soy a last resort.I only ever put it on cereal really, or have a glass at the bar after softball (but I have enough of a hassle just getting cow milk there, sure and I won't be trying to get any of the other kinds). What I want is the texture and the taste (or close enough) without putting something bad in my body just because I've done it my whole life. I appreciate your input.

[DmNerd]

Almond milk would be my recommendation again. You can get is plain or in a bunch of different flavors.

[msconstrew]

Almond milk would be my recommendation again. You can get is plain or in a bunch of different flavors.

Agree.

[Keller]

I am not a nutritionist, a cross-fit instructor, a massage therapist, or anything more than a binge exerciser, but here are my thoughts. You don't need to drink milk, but you can. If you do, I highly suggest quality over quantity (find a locally sourced, grass fed non-homogenized whole milk - if you live in a place with options do a taste test).

[DCSL]

I go with almond milk as well. Its only purpose is to float my Lucky Charms and it serves that admirably.

[Delias]

My son drinks nothing but almond milk due to a lactose sensitivity. Soy, to my understanding, increases your estrogen level... so since he drinks milk all the time, we went with almond so that he continues being a boy.

[Baerlynd]

Cows are for calves.

[Tgo01]

I've been drinking cow milk my whole life and I turn out just

[Khariz]

He's probably thinking of Kharik. I've been wondering who that is myself. haha.

[Stretch]

Stop being a pussy and drink full fat milk.

[Showal]

Drink your cereal with water. Or recycle by using your own urine. Those are really the best options.

[Androidpk]

I've always used tears of sorcerer for my cereal but those are in short supply these days.

[Methais]

How the hell do you make almond milk?


Goatse milk, straight from the source.

Fixed.

[Dendum]

I voted almond because it taste the best, have no idea about the healthfullynessiniss vs soy

[diethx]

Almond milk tastes like shit though, unless it's full of sugar and flavoring.

Cow all the way.

[Methais]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBLkIWeqFKI

[Taernath]

I tried some soy milk once, and it was pretty good, but the habit of sucking on cow tit is hard to break.

[Androidpk]

soy milk is delicious but apparently it encourages the production of estrogens in the body or something.

[m444w]

How the hell do you make almond milk?



Fixed.

http://m.instructables.com/id/How-to-Milk-an-Almond-fresh-homemade-almond-milk/

[diethx]

Do you have to have sweetened soy milk for it to be delicious, or will unsweetened taste good too?

[SHAFT]

I picked the Boston celtics. Because they suck

[Androidpk]

I picked the Boston celtics. Because they suck

I'm going to burn your house down.

[Methais]

I'm going to burn your house down.

And run over his cat.

[Archigeek]

I love cow milk, especially really good quality milk with some yummy fat, but for health reasons I've gone totally paleo for about a year. Almost no dairy, grains, rice, soy or night shade veggies either for that matter. You get the used to it, and I eat lots of good quality meat, fish and veggies.

Processed foods are evil.

[Tgo01]

If you drink cow milk then the terrorists win.

[NinjasLeadTheWay]

So it occurred to me that American (bovine) milk might be bad for me. What about soy or, failing that, almond? Well it turns out there are a huge number of shrieking madpersons on the internet claiming both sides for every option, and I'm not sure which of them to trust so I thought I would turn to the shrieking madpersons we have here.

Healthy-speaking, which is the best option? Assume that I am neither an infant nor pregnant.

Your body will actually process Goat's milk and goats milk protein better than any of the others mentioned. Soy is just bad for you period. Almond milk doesn't have enough protein or calcium. And who knows what the fuck they are putting in cow's milk these days?

[Showal]

If you drink cow milk then the terrorists win.

Admitting this is what the terrorists want to hear, therefore they win. Nicely done.

[Tgo01]

Admitting this is what the terrorists want to hear, therefore they win. Nicely done.

Fuck!

[MotleyCrew]

Being allergic to both dairy AND soy (didn't find that out until adulthood), I now drink Almond milk, I like Silk. The one question I get asked most about it is, what does it taste like? Usually with a screwed up expression, like I drink baby hamster blood or something. Duh retard, it tastes like almonds. I haven't tried the coconut milk Silk now makes, but I am not a huge coconut fan.

[Warriorbird]

Your body will actually process Goat's milk and goats milk protein better than any of the others mentioned. Soy is just bad for you period. Almond milk doesn't have enough protein or calcium. And who knows what the fuck they are putting in cow's milk these days?

Gelato is also awesome.

[Delias]

Your body will actually process Goat's milk and goats milk protein better than any of the others mentioned. Soy is just bad for you period. Almond milk doesn't have enough protein or calcium. And who knows what the fuck they are putting in cow's milk these days?

Vanilla almond milk, and if you are concerned about protein, vanilla flavored Plant Fusion.

[Archigeek]

Concerned about protein, eat a steak.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Cows milk all the way. Fresher the better, and make sure it's fully leaded and not that pussy watered down shit. Like anything else, moderation helps. I personally don't see how millions of years of evolution can be wrong, but I guess our cows are juicing these days so we could probably fuck it up. I don't want to live forever anyway.

[Latrinsorm]

I went with almond, Blue Diamond because I like their almonds so it stands to reason I'll like the proteins suspended in water squeezed from the quivering almond teat.

[Latrinsorm]

Oh and re: goats, I would consider it but I've been on the same board as Methais for too long.
I personally don't see how millions of years of evolution can be wrongTell that to your appendix.

[Originate]

I would say the choice depends on what aspect you are concerned about, and what you use your milk for. If it is about the lactose or denatured proteins in commercial milk, I highly suggest finding a place that sells raw, unpasteurized milk from grass fed or mostly grass fed cows. The fat found in unpasteurized/unhomogenized grass fed cow milk is higher in omega-3, and CLA, but the inverse is true with grain fed/ pasteurized milk (higher omega 6, lactase enzyme is destroyed + less CLA) and this may be part of what links commercial milk to some adverse health affects.
As far as milk alternatives, this also relates to what concerns and preferences you have. You may want to do research on the unknown affects of phyto sterols in soy, and be made aware that almost all conventional soy milk is GMO'd. Almond and coconut milk are pretty tasty, but both contain a lot of ingredients, some of which may be gut irritants, like the gums used. So, if you are considering finding a milk alternative due to GI distress, you may want to consider making your own nut milk if you want to go the non-dairy route.

[diethx]

Mmmm raw milk bacteria. Yum.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Tell that to your appendix.

Some studies say the appendix helps with your immune system and stores/protects "good" bacteria. Don't hate on the appendix!

[Archigeek]

That's why you want grass fed cow milk. Cows fed on corn are not healthy cows, because their digestive system isn't designed to process corn. Commercially processed milk has most of the nutrients cooked out of it, and as Originate was saying, the omega 6/omega 3 ratio is backwards.

[Warriorbird]

Cows milk all the way. Fresher the better, and make sure it's fully leaded and not that pussy watered down shit. Like anything else, moderation helps. I personally don't see how millions of years of evolution can be wrong, but I guess our cows are juicing these days so we could probably fuck it up. I don't want to live forever anyway.

The fat is mixed in.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

you may want to consider making your own nut milk

Someone had to. I think Latrin might actually drink that.

[Whirlin]

Milk is scary shit nowadays. At least the kind you get in the grocery store. They've pretty much ripped anything good out of it through the food processing that's needed to make it sellable in market... Mainly because the FDA sucks balls.

The Pasteurization process basically kills any naturally occurring, good bacteria, vitamins, and minerals that would be found in milk. You need to heat it to such high temperatures for pasteurization, that the good crap just breaks down into bad crap. Pasteurization used to be ridiculously required back in the day... And when I say back in the day, I mean the 1920s, when there was no regulation on anything, and people thought you got Herpes from talking to people, and stupid things like that. Back then, transporting milk from California to NY was commonplace, and done in oak casks that previously contained whiskey. Needless to say, nothing survived the trip... People were stupid. Nowadays, we have things like Stainless Steel, and Glass, and basic understanding of keeping the world not covered with shit like a scene out of Monty Python. So, all it's doing for us nowadays is ensuring that Milk NEEDS to be fortified with vitamins A & D, because otherwise milk would be as nutritious as a Hershey's bar.

The homogenization, named after the collective Drews of PC, takes all that awesome, healthy, good protein that milk supposedly has, and forces it through holes so small, only Jeril's penis would be able to fit. But when you force the proteins of the milk through the process, it ends up warping and breaking the molecular structure, effectively destroying a good chunk of the natural protein content. And of course... this process is just done so that people don't need to shake the bottle before they drink it. Which just adds insults in injury, as everyone loves shaking it like a polaroid picture.

Furthermore, the dairy world has the Tisket grip on the FDA balls so much so that it makes the NRA's grip on the republican party look like a toddler's grip on candy. To the point where the selling of 'raw milk', which is straight from the cow tits, illegal in some/most states. In MA, we need to go to a farm directly to buy raw milk, sign waivers, and all sorts of other crap just to be able to buy a product that is A) Easier to Produce (B) Cheaper to Produce (C) More beneficial for health.

Additionally, don't believe that crap that is commonly associated with soy products. Mainly... Soy will not increase estrogen levels... this is a common, and stupid bro-science myth. While Soy contains PLANT hormones called Phytoestrogen... it does absolutely jack shit to the human bodies. Do you get smarter if you eat animal brains? If you eat female cows rather than male cows, are you gonna grow utters? Have you ever grown leaves from eating a salad? There are some things that simply don't react to humans. Like repeated attempts to sell a 5x fusion composite bow for 4.5m. Just because they exist, doesn't mean it matters or effects anything.

Regardless of whether you choose Soy, Almond, or the next trendy thing produced by hippie vegans, just do your research, and choose on taste. If you're using milk as a way of getting vital nutrients... buy multi-vitamins, or vitamin-powder and forget about it.... And if you need help deciding which vitamins to choose, do another multi-select thread, so I can post a similar response there!

[Methais]

because otherwise milk would be as nutritious as a Hershey's bar.

But Hershey bars must be healthy...they have milk!

[msconstrew]

Oh my god. Everyone loves raw milk up until someone dies from e. coli. True story, I handled a lawsuit where this happened at a kid's birthday party. It was very sad.

[Delias]

Cows milk all the way. Fresher the better, and make sure it's fully leaded and not that pussy watered down shit. Like anything else, moderation helps. I personally don't see how millions of years of evolution can be wrong, but I guess our cows are juicing these days so we could probably fuck it up. I don't want to live forever anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEQQ13jdccc

[Latrinsorm]

I would say the choice depends on what aspect you are concerned about, and what you use your milk for. If it is about the lactose or denatured proteins in commercial milk, I highly suggest finding a place that sells raw, unpasteurized milk from grass fed or mostly grass fed cows. The fat found in unpasteurized/unhomogenized grass fed cow milk is higher in omega-3, and CLA, but the inverse is true with grain fed/ pasteurized milk (higher omega 6, lactase enzyme is destroyed + less CLA) and this may be part of what links commercial milk to some adverse health affects.
As far as milk alternatives, this also relates to what concerns and preferences you have. You may want to do research on the unknown affects of phyto sterols in soy, and be made aware that almost all conventional soy milk is GMO'd. Almond and coconut milk are pretty tasty, but both contain a lot of ingredients, some of which may be gut irritants, like the gums used. So, if you are considering finding a milk alternative due to GI distress, you may want to consider making your own nut milk if you want to go the non-dairy route.I started this thread to find out if there were aspects I should be concerned about, rather than having any pressing concerns about any of the products, although that thing Whirlin said about eating soy goats and growing udder leaves certainly gave me pause.

Like diethx said I am definitely sticking with pasteurization, because...
Nowadays, we have things like Stainless Steel, and Glass, and basic understanding of keeping the world not covered with shit like a scene out of Monty Python....I am not totally convinced of the third part. My mom grew up on a farm that we have since visited, and I'll just leave it at I'm not totally convinced.

[Archigeek]

This mouth watering porterhouse steak fresh off the grill, with generous sides of grilled brussel sprouts and carrots makes it a lot easier to no longer drink milk. The paleo diet does have its perks.

[Delias]

This mouth watering porterhouse steak fresh off the grill, with generous sides of grilled brussel sprouts and carrots makes it a lot easier to no longer drink milk. The paleo diet does have its perks.

So what you are saying is you find nothing as satisfying as a mouth full of meat?

[SHAFT]

Can you milk an almond? Can you milk soy? Can you milk the Boston Celtics? Probably on the last one. Get your fucking milk from cows. Or at least goats.

[Archigeek]

Honestly, the best thing you can do with milk is make cheese. Oh my God I miss cheese. A caprese salad with real fresh buffalo mozzarella, or a nice hard pecorino romano shaved thin, or melt-in-your-mouth Maytag blue.

[msconstrew]

So what you are saying is you find nothing as satisfying as a mouth full of meat?

Yes.

[msconstrew]

Can you milk an almond? Can you milk soy? Can you milk the Boston Celtics? Probably on the last one. Get your fucking milk from cows. Or at least goats.

You can milk anything with nipples.

[diethx]

Mmmm, cheese. I want gooooouuuuda.

Or a grilled cheese made from mozzarella on sourdough. nnnggghhh

[SHAFT]

You can milk anything with nipples.

Can I milk your nipples?

[diethx]

Not gonna lie, that was a little gross.

[msconstrew]

Not gonna lie, that was a little gross.

Yeah. It really was.

[SHAFT]

Not gonna lie, that was a little gross.

Fine we can milk yours after. She said you can milk anything with nipples.

[msconstrew]

It's a quote from a movie!

[diethx]

It's from Meet the Parents. It was not an invitation to be a gross creepapotamus.

[SHAFT]

It's from Meet the Parents. It was not an invitation to be a gross creepapotamus.

I've never been called a creepapotamus. I was set up!

I thought it was a legitimate response.

[diethx]

That should be your title.

[BriarFox]

That should be your title.

Make it so!

[SHAFT]

I refuse to be the PC creepapotamus

[Delias]

I refuse to be the PC creepapotamus

Too late! HAHA FREE AT LAST!

[diethx]

Your posts say no, but your eyes say yes.

[SHAFT]

Too late! HAHA FREE AT LAST!

Funny. I thought if anyone should be the creepapotamus its Delias.

[diethx]

Delias was never the creepapotamus. That was definitely Kuyuk, but he doesn't post anymore. So the title was up for grabs, and you snatched with both hands.

[Delias]

That's right. I am the master of mildly inappropriate innuendo and seeker of pity-tits. Still less creepy than milking a human.

[SHAFT]

I'm done here

[msconstrew]

I refuse to be the PC creepapotamus

I think that's Drakefang's title.

[m444w]

Delias was never the creepapotamus. That was definitely Kuyuk, but he doesn't post anymore. So the title was up for grabs, and you snatched with both hands.

Greedy little milk covered hands

[Archigeek]

So what you are saying is you find nothing as satisfying as a mouth full of meat?

Hoh ho! I see your double entendre and raise you a metaphor: why are you all up in my grill?

[Delias]

Hoh ho! I see your double entendre and raise you a metaphor: why are you all up in my grill?

Because my meat needs warming, and your grill apparently desires meat. I don't like how gay this metaphor makes me out to be, though... so maybe you win this round.

[Ashlander]

Hoh ho! I see your double entendre and raise you a metaphor: why are you all up in my grill?

Cause there's nothing Delias likes more than shoving meat in someone's mouth?

Edit: Damn he beat me to it.

[thefarmer]

I go with almond milk as well. Its only purpose is to float my Lucky Charms and it serves that admirably.

You didn't choose otter milk. Uncounted nursing otters turned their furry muzzles up at you in disgust.

DISGUST!

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m49ui8wORM1qi3hd5o1_250.jpg

[SHAFT]

Because my meat needs warming, and your grill apparently desires meat. I don't like how gay this metaphor makes me out to be, though... so maybe you win this round.

Creepapotamus title reclaimed by you! Hahahaha! Well done

[Delias]

Creepapotamus title reclaimed by you! Hahahaha! Well done

Judges ruling required.

[msconstrew]

Drakefang still wins.

[thefarmer]

Drakefang still wins.

Truth.

He held the title long before Delias crawled out of the proverbial 'filth' and let his oversharing take hold.

[Archigeek]

I'm just gonna take my grill and go home.

[msconstrew]

Leave the sausage.

[diethx]

mmm, sausage.

[thefarmer]

I'm just gonna take my grill and go home.

You and Delias going to have a private meat party at your place?

[msconstrew]

I hope not. They'll take all the sausage, she protested worriedly!

[Archigeek]

Leave the sausage.

What, and leave myself depleted before the festival of Santa Chorizo?

[FlayedAngel]

Delias was never the creepapotamus. That was definitely Kuyuk, but he doesn't post anymore. So the title was up for grabs, and you snatched with both hands.
Hehe, you said snatch.

[thefarmer]

Leave the sausage.


mmm, sausage.

Sausage stuffed penis pancake

http://cdn.foodbeast.com.s3.amazonaws.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/sausage-stuffed-penis-pancake.jpg

[The Grammar Police]

I hope not. They'll take all the sausage, she protested worriedly!

This should be revised please.

[Latrinsorm]

I don't know why everyone gets so freaked out by human milk. It's the only human fluid designed to be consumed!

[diethx]

It's a beautiful thing when a mom is nursing her baby.

When it's shaft talking about milking us... he's a creepapotamus.

[Latrinsorm]

SHAFT asking. Look, can I send you some literature on this subject? People seem pretty into it, is all I'm saying.

And what have babies ever done for anyone? Nothing. Fact.

[diethx]

You are not going to convince me over to the Rocktar side.

[SHAFT]

Sure man. My fiance will probably dig it

[Latrinsorm]

You are not going to convince me over to the Rocktar side.Consensual lactation is very different from heated caged tongueless hypno-lactation, I didn't think I would have to explicitly state that?!?
Sure man. My fiance will probably dig itWhat a hilarious misunderstanding! I meant to distinguish between SHAFT talking and SHAFT asking and then going on to offer diethx some, rather than stressing that I was asking you. However! I will hook you up (in a way that has acceptably plausible deniability).

[SHAFT]

You've lost me. I'm retreating back into the merchant part of this forum......slowly....

[SHAFT]

Someone did send me a japanese porn link in my rep and this broad has quite possibly the nicest tits i've ever seen before in my life.

Thank you for that mystery repper!

[Moonwitch]

Goat's milk is naturally homogenized. If you are going to drink cow's milk raw is the best way to go. Pasteurization kills the naturally occurring lactate that we need to digest the lactose in milk. This is what I was told anyway by a holistic MD who was helping a friend of mine with her cancer.
Honestly if you don't have any issues with processing dairy and only really use it on your cereal I don't think it much matters. Your cereal is probably worse for you than full fat milk, especially if it has wheat in it. Genetically modified wheat is so bad for us, unfortunately everything they sell now is modified. It's hard to come by heirloom flour.