Why armor training?

[Merzbow]

Some guides and a lot of training plans indicate that a wizard should train at least twice in armor training fo full leathers. But according to play.net, full leather is ASG six and thus has no hindrances. So then why do I need to train in it at all? It's darn expensive.

[Artha]

Possibly because the guides are old, or because of maneuver hinderance.

[Bobmuhthol]

Full leather = 4 ranks.

[Drew]

for what?

[Bobmuhthol]

For being trained for it. Just like full plate takes 140, full leather takes 4.

[Merzbow]

And 'trained for it' means what for a wizard? I thought the RT penalty only applies to swinging a weapon. And there being no spell hindrance, what exactly do I gain?

[gcstader]

As a wizard, you only need 2 ranks to wear full leather.

~Greg / Eldas

[AnticorRifling]

Man. penalty. Gives you a slight edge when dodging. Doesn't really matter for fulls since it's a) Full leather and 2) You're a wizard you won't dodge shit unless you're a naked halfling.

[Fallen]

Things like getting up from a prone position, wearing or removing the armor.

From what I have heard on the boards, it is 4 ranks to train off ALL penalties associated with full leather.

Getting these ranks will give you a slight advantage, or rather remove the slight disadvantage the armor gives you, when facing maneuver attacks.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<As a wizard, you only need 2 ranks to wear full leather.>>

Armor doesn't change for professions, unfortunately. It's 4 for everyone.

[AnticorRifling]

Don't different profs have different hiderances or is it the different spell circles have different hinderances?

[Jonty]

Originally posted by AnticorRifling
Don't different profs have different hiderances or is it the different spell circles have different hinderances?

Yes, spell hinderance. Not action/manuever penalty. It's 4 ranks for every profession.

[Edited on 8-8-2004 by Jonty]

[Bobmuhthol]

What Jonty said, and spell hinderance is by circle, not profession.

[Jonty]

Also, if all you're concerned about is spell hinderance then you don't need any ranks.... The spell hinderance on full leather is zero for all spell circles.

[Edited on 8-8-2004 by Jonty]

[Drew]

Bob, I didn't want to bump an older topic but had an armour question. You said in another post that if you take 7 damage in scale armour you'll receive a wound, do you know what the numbers are for the other types? I ask because one of my guys just took 5 damage in soft leather with no wound, so it's either gotta be 6 or 7.

Any idea about chain and plate?

[Bobmuhthol]

Skin: 3
Leather: 5
Scale: 7
Chain: 9
Plate: 11

You take the raw damage, divide it by that number, that's the crit rank. This works for players only, I forget how the creature mechanics work. It doesn't round, either. 54.999999 raw damage in plate is still rank 4. Then you can get a 2-4 rank crit because of crit randomization.

[Jonty]

It's used to be no more than a crit divisor of 5 for critters. I'm not sure if that was changed for GS4, though.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Skin: 3
Leather: 5
Scale: 7
Chain: 9
Plate: 11

Is that the most damage you can take without getting an injury?

I ask because:

A giant rat tries to bite you!
AS: +34 vs DS: +54 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +99 = +113
... and hits for 5 points of damage!
Weak slash across chest!
Slightly less painful than heartburn.

Didn't give me a wound, in fulls.

[Bobmuhthol]

I'm not sure if a rank 1 crit is an automatic injury.

[gcstader]

<< Armor doesn't change for professions >>
No shit.
As a wizard, your dex/ref bonus is most likely enough to reduce the RT modifier. No spell hinderance at all in fulls so you should be fine w/ no more than 2 ranks.

~Greg / Eldas

[Bobmuhthol]

<<As a wizard, your dex/ref bonus>>

Sorry, you don't get stat modifiers for professions either.

[gcstader]

I said nothing about fucking profession stat modifiers. As a wiz your dex is normally decent for these things called bolt spells.
Every +15 in your combined dex/ref BONUS gives you a -1 sec to RT penalty. This does not affect spell hinderance.

~Greg / Eldas



[Edited on 8-8-2004 by gcstader]

[Merzbow]

FYI see Tsoran's posts here about why you need 4 ATs to fully train full leather (which confirms what has been stated above):

http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=102&category=14&topic=6&page=10