GM's interpretation

[Scott]

Alright, I was playing around and arguing with one of my friends, and I said "Person is my B." I was going to say "person is my bitch" but it never came out, I by accidently hit enter and it was just B. All the sudden I got an OOC reminder or whatever. So I reported to see what I got the OOC reminder for:

I cut out the first part which was me arguing about completely calling someone my bitch and she was talking about the definition.

SEND[Andraste] Here it means female dog. Sintik just said "person is my bitch That is completely calling someone a bitch.

>report That's not what came out.... what came out was "Person is my b"

SEND[Andraste] Read my last comment. It's still read by others as meaning it. There is no way you can interpret it to mean anything else.

report How can you warn me for something you interpret?

After that, silence. I mean I meant to call this person my bitch, but I didn't. If I would have called him my bitch, I would understand the warning. I'm just wondering how a GM can say "I think you meant to call him your bitch, so your getting a reminder." (YES, Reminders are counted and kept on record.) What if I wanted to call him my buddy, or something along those lines?

[Taernath]

That's just lame. Usually I agree with what Andraste does, but inferring what a word is going to be from just one letter is dumb. It seems like she was specifically watching for something to catch you up on.

[Edited on 8/21/03 by Taernath]

[Snapp]

Andy is my girl! But I have to agree with Sintik..she cant "remind you" on something like that. BTW, why is she always watching the cul de sac?

[Zentoph]

Heh, I was there yesterday. I seen about five different mutters and "says" with "--- is my b" or "--_is_my_b."

Did you get the warn before or after everyone started spewing that?

Oh.. About watching him. He was in the cul-de-sac, everyone is always in some type of feud, why not watch there? I'm guessing she was looking for some type of OOC to warn, though. I never fail to see it there.

[Snapp]

Fighting and OOC in the cul de sac? Never!

[Scott]

Guess who was the only person to get something from it? Me. I don't mind if a GM watches up on me to catch me slipping, but interpreting what I say to nail me? Give me a break. If I said bitch, fine, I don't care. When I call someone my B, and suddenly andraste says that I meant bitch so....... I did mean bitch, but I didn't say it! At least get me on something valid.....

[Adhara]

Andraste's on a power trip. She is ALWAYS on the look out to find the tiniest things to piss off players. Sometimes it's deserved, sometimes not. What I have a problem with is her reasons for doing it. While some people need to feel love and attention to go on, it's other people's hate that seems to be Andraste's fuel.

[Zentoph]

Oh, I figured she might have give a warning to the others who was doing it to. (Zarvon comes to mind..)

[Bestatte]

Although you admit yourself that you -meant- to type bitch.. and although it's entirely possible that in the context of the conversation it would've been clear what you meant..

It's still possible that you had intended to type "Person is my best friend"...

and Andraste was WAY off the mark by assuming things.

But then I'm not surprised..Andraste has issues.

[SpunGirl]

Heh, I don't think I've ever met a person WITHOUT issues.

-K

[GS4Gurl]

No matter what he was going to say she's got no right to assume things. He couldve said, "Hes mah boy" "Hes my baby momma" :lol: Theres a million b words out there. And back in that time yeah bitch meant female dog. Soo people are calling people names of animals all the time while insulting. Like cow, pig, monkey, toad kisser. Whatever. So what does its meaning have to do with anything anyway? An insult is an insult.

[Artha]

Might want to remember that GMs could be watching, even when you don't think they are.

[Edaarin]

Am I the only person that's never had a problem with Andraste?

[Snapp]

I love Andraste, she's by far my favorite GM, although it seems she can make bad calls from time to time.

[Artha]

There is no way you can interpret it to mean anything else.

You admit it meant bitch...deserved.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Edaarin
Am I the only person that's never had a problem with Andraste?

Nope. Well, maybe not never. :D

I had only one bad experience with Andraste which actually turned into the very reason I came to like her as much as I do. She realized she made an error, pologized quickly and offered me several options in how to make it right. I don't know how much more anyone could ask for.

Anyone who has ongoing problems with her should really step back and try to look at the situation objectively. You may be surprised to find that she has a pretty good reason to be handling things as she is.

[Scott]

This is the first time I've ever had a problem with her. I don't really consider it a big problem, however I don't think it's up to a GM to decide what I "meant" to say....

[Betheny]

I dislike Andraste.

[Artha]

I don't think it's up to a GM to decide what I "meant" to say....

You admitted that you meant to say it...it's obvious you meant to say it...it could mean nothing else and still make sense.

[Scott]

Person is my buddy
Person is my best friend


Nothing else though. :rolleyes:

[Lisu]

Just out of curriosity, since when is a 'bitch' ooc? I didn't know that female dogs don't exist in Eilanthia. In fact I'm pretty sure there's a wandering mongrel or some sort of canine wandering around one of the towns. Maybe a [send] of 'watch your langugae' would be appropriate, but a WARN was not appropriate because it is

1. Inferring a comment that was not actually made.
2. In character even if it was made, it was in character.
3. People call me FAR worse over the amunet and get away with it. When calling someone a 'bitch' is worse than calling someone a 'whore', the lands have gone to pot.

[Artha]

1. He meant it, couldn't have meant anything else (please, buddy and best friend? lol)
2. Perhaps she wanted to give him a private warning, without soaping him?
3. Andraste isn't listening...and you are a whore, so it's ok.

[SpunGirl]

:::tries an experiment:::

>onduty
Staff on duty:

OK, so it's late, and no staff are on duty. Yes, I know they can hide, but I'm taking a chance here.

>mutter personA_is_my_bitch

You mutter persona_is_my_b.

So I TYPED bitch, but only the "B" came out.
And I admit that I MEANT to type bitch.

Inneresting.

-K

[Betheny]

Mutter will cut you off if the text goes too long.

Try just muttering bitch.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Edaarin
Am I the only person that's never had a problem with Andraste?

I've never actually had a problem with any GM actually.

I've been pulled up into the lounge on occasion.. ::cough:: but once I explain my side of things, they normally send me on my way.

Now.. I had some problems on the official bbs... but I won't go there.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
:::tries an experiment:::

>onduty
Staff on duty:

OK, so it's late, and no staff are on duty. Yes, I know they can hide, but I'm taking a chance here.

>mutter personA_is_my_bitch

You mutter persona_is_my_b.

So I TYPED bitch, but only the "B" came out.
And I admit that I MEANT to type bitch.

Inneresting.

-K

Your mutters are limited to 15 characters.

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Lisu
3. People call me FAR worse over the amunet and get away with it. When calling someone a 'bitch' is worse than calling someone a 'whore', the lands have gone to pot.

No offense, but you DO play a whore, so where is the insult here?

[Bestatte]

I had no problems with Andraste in GS. I had problems with her in another game. She showed up with a trial account, went to the OOC area and announced that I was also a GM for that game, and named my GM name to a few people.

I was standing there invis as a GM and heard the whole thing - so did the game's Admin.

Because I was "outted" all hell broke loose and I had to step down as a GM (even though I came back immediately under a new persona). She was sitebanned from that game because of her distruptive and destructive action.

I never found out why she did this, but it was definitely malicious and intentional.

[Artha]

How do you know it was Andraste?

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by CrystalTears

Originally posted by Lisu
3. People call me FAR worse over the amunet and get away with it. When calling someone a 'bitch' is worse than calling someone a 'whore', the lands have gone to pot.

No offense, but you DO play a whore, so where is the insult here?

I agree... you reap what you sow. You want to roleplay a hooker, but you want people to treat you with respect? Come on now.. you can't have your cake and eat it too.

I think your roleplay is fine.. but to pull it off effectively, you need to simply try and ignore the whore comments if you don't like them.

Do you think I like my character referred to as a rogue or thief? Sometimes at night, I cry quietly in the corner... :sniffle:

[Caramia]

Roberta, your memory of the events is pretty interesting. So let me contribute what I know, which I think is a bit more objective and a bit closer to reality.

I was a long-time player of GS3 and grew disgruntled, so I began to spend a lot of time playing this other game that Roberta worked at. Several of us were getting promises of game coin and transfer of characters, levels and all, to come on over so it seemed like a good deal.

I was friends with the person behind Andraste at the time, and invited her to come join those of us who had moved on, and she did.

One night, she entered the OOC area to a witness an ugly scene between six other people against one, who just happened to be another friend. One of those six bullies was telling him that he wasn't wanted there, and that he could leave, because they didn't want his multiaccounting butt hanging out there. The lead bully was just another gamer.

"Andraste" stood there pretty much silent, aside from asking this yeller what their particular role was in the game, asking if they were staff and able to decide who was welcome and who was not. She was pretty much ignored in all the screaming, and never said anything aloud about you, Roberta, or stuff about the game. I know because I came up to see what the heck was going on when she alerted me about the fracas.

Now, what happened after only Andraste can verify, but from what she told me and showed me in logs and email, she was her whispering to the poor sod being pelted and yes she mentioned in whispers to him that people were getting coins and stuff, and that she knew you were a GM there.

Hades, the owner, was apparently listening to the whispers and asked her about them. She replied privately to him, obviously she knows how to report!

She continued to play for another day or so, until she learned that the holier-than thou person had been asked if they knew who (Andraste's real name) was by a GM. That person was also a friend of Andraste's and revealed she was from GS3 and a GM there by the name Andraste.

Now, Andraste was not being disruptive. She didn't walk in and start trouble. She played there for almost a week peacefully until she learned from me that her confidential account information had been shared with a player. (Because the mutual friend asked me why she was being asked who X was.)

"Andraste" was pretty upset, and asked me to ask around and see if anyone knew who had told the person her real name, who had looked up the account information and shared it with a player. I even asked you, Roberta, and you told me you didn't do know, which I told her.

She wrote a letter with her concerns about the lack of confidentiality and asked why information about her account had been shared with a player. She questioned accountability. The response she got was pretty stunning in its lack of concern that there had been a huge breach of personal and private information. She was even told that the GMs were encouraged to tell people they were GMs there, because that would draw more (GS3) people in.

I was just stunned to be honest. I read the email, which she shared with about three or four of us. We all quit the game the next day, because we were also all staff at GS3 and didn't like what had happened.

So, does that ring a bell?

Caramia

[Drew2]

What game? What game? I wanna play!

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Tayre
What game? What game? I wanna play!

I do believe that would be Inferno.

[Souzy]

I think I've said bitch about 10 times in GS and got soaped by the witch once, then I say ass about a million times, but yet they let that slide. We can't we say ass? I think I'm gonna go on a ASS shoutin' spree, just to see if they'd soap me.

[Edited on 8-23-2003 by Lalana]

[Artha]

Ass hasn't been considered a naughty word in forever...

[Souzy]

Wow, thanks for the info, the more you know...forums are great!

[Betheny]

here's your award lalana.

[Souzy]

Hey thanks for crowning me, even when I wasn't asking for attention. You do love me! Hurry for Maimara!! Although that girl in the pic looks pretty hot doing a cartwheel, but that can't be me. I look better in a thong. You're special

http://www.se7en-x.com/argue/argue.jpg

[Edited on 8-24-2003 by Lalana]

[Souzy]

So to get back on the subject....
You sweetly say, "ass"
>nod kyth
You nod to Kythlin.
>
Kythlin nods to you.
>'assity ass ass ass
You sweetly say, "assity ass ass ass"

about 2 minutes later...

SEND[Jharra] Hey, that's not a very sweet thing to say.

So we can't say ass?

[Artha]

think she was making fun of your tone :)

[Souzy]

LOL...so I should change it and then say ass? Right on!

[Warriorbird]

Yah, kinda like the Empath who exclaimed happily, "You bastard!" at my lower level warrior the other day.

[Artha]

Or Garr almost cussing out tayre, happily.

[Betheny]

For Lalana, our special friend.

[Artha]

Ha, that image was so stolen from SomethingAwful...see, it says 'why is Lowtax stabbing me with his tire iron?', and Lowtax is the head editor of SA.


http://www.thejackcat.com/AC/ACPL02/STFU.jpg

[Souzy]

LMAO...Maimara's fun, lets kiss and make up ;)

[Edited on 8-24-2003 by Lalana]

[Betheny]

Do you prefer I cut your tits off, or simply mutilate them.

I can do either.

[Drew2]

No fair changing an insult to me and using it against her. I protest.

[Souzy]

Well well...if that's your form of foreplay then go for it, the left one please. And do with it as you please. We can save the right one for later ;)

[Betheny]

I'll feed it to your love-slave dog.

[Souzy]

And here I thought you wanted to be my love slave. Tough love. Plus Dar doesn't want them, he'd rather have my feet.

[Betheny]

Everyone wants to be your love slave, in your little world.

[Souzy]

My little world is great and Dar loves it here. I'm giving you an invite.

[Scott]

Get out of my thread. Klaive isn't important enough to be talked about in MY threads.

[Betheny]

No.

Just no.

[Souzy]

Boo...we can still go shopping though? But to get back on the subject, I think you can swear, but you have to space out the words, LOL.

[Betheny]

Swear words will cause a little bell to go off with a GM. A GM will generally check out the use of the word, the context, etc.

Maimara says, "I hate you, you ass faced bastard."

Or.

Maimara says, "That ass walks far too slow."
>
(Maimara points at a donkey.)

[Souzy]

LOL....smooth!!!!

[Betheny]

Uh. That didn't really happen. I made that up as an example.

[SpunGirl]

Just curious, why do you want to cut ANYONE'S tits off? That sounds really painful.

-K

[Artha]

African's in africa are currently doing it during civil war because they believe it gives them magical powers.

[Weedmage Princess]

A couple of years ago I got my mouth washed out with soap for using the word "whore" ..I was at a table too I think, talking with a friend...not even in public. People say it on the amulet now with no repercussion?

[Artha]

Tables count as public...and I'm guessing you were just unlucky...and it's OK when they're talking about Lisu, because she is a whore.

[Drew2]

This was in the Beta server.

Active Players: 1
Type STATUS FULL to get a list of active players.

Staff on duty:


>'Bitch.
You say, "Bitch."
>climb roc

Gracefully, Your feet skip across the short protrusions of the rocks. Before long, you find yourself standing at the top.

[Northern Slopes, Rocky Incline]
The precarious path down the steep face of the bluff levels off briefly, forming a small ledge with dangerously unstable edges. Wind whips by, buffeting the precipice with sleet and snow. Lodged pitifully in a pile of boulders next to the sheer rock face lies the carcass of an antelope. Its limbs are broken across the granite, and little more than a pile of hide and protruding bones remains of the graceful creature, mute testament to the brutality of the region. You also see some large rocks.
Obvious paths: up

Roundtime: 5 secs.
>think

The THOUGHT system has been temporarily disabled. We apologize for the inconvenience. There is no need to report this problem, it is already being taken care of. Thank you.
>'Fuck.
You say, "Fuck."
>u
[Northern Mountains, Pine Forest]
An embankment of granite swallows the trail abruptly, its demise marked by a small circular patch of ground covered with loose shale and stones. Past the embankment, the ground drops away into shadowy depths, leaving only clouds and blowing snow visible from the path. The wind is cruelly edged, blowing up from the dark gorge with a fury. A rickety sign stands crookedly beside the gravel turn, with rough letters inscribed that proclaim the warning, 'Beware'.
Obvious paths: east, down
>e
[Northern Mountains, Pine Forest]
Large, snow-covered boulders ridge the trail on the north, forming a low embankment that plunges down into a gorge. The forest stands to the south, rising up the mountain in frosted tones ranging from green to black, dotted with splotches of white where snow has found purchase on the tree branches. Brisk winds gust up from the gorge, whipping the nearby trees and casting mists of snow across the panorama.
Obvious paths: south, west
>s
whistle
[Northern Mountains, Pine Forest]
A stand of hemlock trees mix with the other conifers, adding the gnarled silhouette of their branches to that of the pines. Wind moves the limbs in a lazy dance, occasionally launching puffs of snow from them with a heavy gust. The trail begins a gentle descent to the north, where vestiges of ground fog cluster and creep through the tree trunks.
Obvious paths: north, southwest
You whistle tunelessly to yourself, remembering days past.
>act is the only one in the game.
(Tayre is the only one in the game.)
>dance
You dance around the room to music only you can hear.
>act can say anything he likes.
(Tayre can say anything he likes.)
>act is god.
(Tayre is god.)
>'Bitch fuck ass shit.
You say, "Bitch fuck ass shit."
>think

The THOUGHT system has been temporarily disabled. We apologize for the inconvenience. There is no need to report this problem, it is already being taken care of. Thank you.
>
A caribou lopes into the area!
>
A grizzly bear lumbers in!

(Me casting at the bear)

You say, "Bitch fuck shit."

(More killing bears and caribou)

You say, "Bitch bitch bitch, fuck fuck fuck, Bitch fuck bitch fuck shit."

(More casting)

Active Players: 1
Type STATUS FULL to get a list of active players.

Staff on duty:


(More casting)

You belt out, "BITCH!"

(more casting)

SEND[Mitra] Policy still applies, so please cut it out.


>gawk
Your jaw drops.
>cover my mouth
You clasp a hand over your mouth.
>l
[Northern Mountains, Pine Forest]
A stand of hemlock trees mix with the other conifers, adding the gnarled silhouette of their branches to that of the pines. Wind moves the limbs in a lazy dance, occasionally launching puffs of snow from them with a heavy gust. The trail begins a gentle descent to the north, where vestiges of ground fog cluster and creep through the tree trunks. You also see a caribou that appears dead.
Obvious paths: north, southwest
>
A clump of snow dislodged from a high pine branch falls to the ground, emitting a whispery plop to mark its impact.
>fall
You fall over. Clumsy oaf!
>tw
You feel that nervous twitch starting up again.
>'Dear gods.
You say, "Dear gods."
>
>act is embarrased
(Tayre is embarrased.)

[Edaarin]

That's hilairious.

[GemstoneFan]

Aah good ol Tayre, only one in game, heaven forbid with a dirty mouth :)

Tayre's a "don't push the red button" kind of guy. Nice to see they're watching that Beta server, heh heh.

[Hips]

As far as swearing IG goes...
Before the Artisan Faire, when everyone was at North Gate, waiting for the portal to open... and Klaive quaked or whatever, causing everyone to fall over, I called him an asshole and got soaped for that.
I deserved it, I know... but I was only speaking the truth. :P