Feminism - UGH IS IT OVER YET???!!???

[Gweneivia]

"The fact is women have become so independent and focused on their work many have forgotten how to have a relationship based on mutual understanding and cooperation. Instead, it has become a competition, and feminism has turned relationships into a competition of equality as well."

http://jezebel.com/5986326/nebraska-college-kid-says-feminism-achieved-its-goals-so-women-should-shut-the-fuck-up-now

And from another article from this budding young genius:

"To the unfortunate ladies who haven't been blessed with beautiful legs: lose the leggings.

They are not getting you looks of affection, if that's what you're striving for. In fact, they are probably getting the opposite; looks of disgust, or guys just simply turning the other way. Guys and girls, whether you like to accept it or not, are judging you."

http://admin.collegepublisher.com/preview/mobile/2.3308/2.3912/1.2433629

[Tisket]

It's a policy of mine to never read bloggers from Nebraska. It's worked for me so far.

[msconstrew]

It is funny how white male college students from Nebraska and some of the posters on this site seem to think that the only way a woman could possibly have value is in relation to whether a man wants to fuck her. These are probably the same people who think rape has something to do with a woman's attractiveness. Ugh.

[Kuyuk]

It is funny how white male college students from Nebraska and some of the posters on this site seem to think that the only way a woman could possibly have value is in relation to whether a man wants to fuck her. These are probably the same people who think rape has something to do with a woman's attractiveness. Ugh.

So you think she has a good chance of getting raped?
http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/1/c/1cb3d_ORIG-ugly_fat_girl_bikini_old_woman_pictures.jpg

[4a6c1]

Is that a bruise on one of her rolls? Looks like she already was. Also splinters. :(

As to the OP I think it's kinder to be a little more sympathetic to the average white male perspective on feminism. Most of those guys are really trying. Imagine walking into a bieber concert full of screaming teenage girls. This alien environment would most certainly throw you into culture shock and when you recovered your first reaction would likely be critical non-cooperativeness. This was the original white male reaction to civil rights and feminism in this country and not even 100 years later we are still struggling with the children and grandchildren of those men who would like to carry on the legacy of the glass ceiling and reactive, "non-reformist", apartheid mentality. So to continue my bieber analogy, if you look around you'll see some guys begrudgingly trying to understand the "masses of screaming teenagers", some might even dance along or enjoy themselves. Social progression is slow in a free society because people can choose to discriminate in private, which is a wonderful thing that should never change. However, we still need to practice what we preach and the continued enforcement of correct social norms in public is necessary. The people to be suspect of are those who whine alot about "political correctness" (ie. Rush Limbaugh, Fox news pundits). The eventuality of a society that values equality in theory but does not practice it is even more dangerous than our starting point of historically permissive social ignorance. We've established that gender inequality, domestic slavery and segregation are all very wrong. Our intrinsic value as a culture depends upon our continued willingness to point the way on these respective issues to the rest of the world.

Anyway, it's early so your welcome for that feeling your getting right now: "BIEBER WUT. WUT DID I JUST READ."

[Methais]

Did you really just compare feminism to a Justin Bieber concert?

[Drakefang]

I love Fox News!

I dislike Bieber.

We need to let women equal men while celebrating that they are women and let them be different (while not staring or otherwise admiring them for being women cause they get angry(definitely no compliments at work)). Is that what I needed to get from this? I get that every day.

[4a6c1]

Did you really just compare feminism to a Justin Bieber concert?

lol I did yes. If I expand that about 1000 words I'm pretty sure it would get me an A for ACADEMIC PRECEDENCE.

[Delias]

I think Anticor already pointed out the issue with feminism. A huge number of supposed feminists don't want equality, they want preferential treatment while maintaining that they are "equal".

I actually know a lot of women who are kinda pissed that their mothers had to burn their bras and fuel a revolution that lead to the two-income family becoming the standard. I mean, sure, give them the right to vote if you MUST and by all means don't beat them overly, but some of them would rather be back in the kitchen and can't manage it now.

[4a6c1]

I raise all your colorful conjecture with a stuffed tiger indignant stare

http://i.imgur.com/iL4tG.jpg

[cor aut mors]

Is that a bruise on one of her rolls? Looks like she already was. Also splinters. :(


That looks like (at one point) it used to be a whale tattoo.... maybe she really likes whales? :whistle:

[4a6c1]

something something death knows a fellow whales lover when he sees one

[Some Rogue]

http://0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/12/59/collegehumor.4ba55ca3bb85985a43d304c3ddeb7c23.jpg

[msconstrew]

So you think she has a good chance of getting raped?


If you believe that rape has more to do with looks than it does with asserting power and control, then you are a moron. That is all. And yes, Kuyuk, fat women get raped too.

[Delias]

If you believe that rape has more to do with looks than it does with asserting power and control, then you are a moron. That is all. And yes, Kuyuk, fat women get raped too.

Not by kuyuk they don't. He has standards.

[cor aut mors]

Heart or Death.. and I'm a chick. LoL.

Definitely not a whale lover though...

[Some Rogue]

http://uberhumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/QrSQr1.jpg

[Latrinsorm]

I raise all your colorful conjecture with a stuffed tiger indignant stareCan you imagine how scarred a kid would be if you put that in their room? Let's run a double blind study.

[WRoss]

One thing I've learned is that you don't joke about rape. You have no idea whom around you may have been affected by rape and what can trigger a horrible memory. Be respectful.

[cor aut mors]

Thread:Feminism - UGH IS IT OVER YET???!!???

let's hope you never get the chance to test the theory about who is more likely to get raped.
^^^
Seriously? I never said jack about who does/doesn't get raped. Comprehension skills are a +... maybe you should re-do elementary school jackass.

[Tisket]

It is funny how white male college students from Nebraska and some of the posters on this site seem to think that the only way a woman could possibly have value is in relation to whether a man wants to fuck her. These are probably the same people who think rape has something to do with a woman's attractiveness. Ugh.

Or with being a woman.

I saw some news magazine on TV last night that (and I don't have links or statistics to back this assertion up. I'm getting ready for work and can't research it) said that more men are raped in the armed forces than women. I didn't see the whole segment but I think The Invisible War was the topic of discussion.

[Suppressed Poet]

Feminism has some advantages.

When I was a little kid, it was an old man telling me to turn my head and cough. Now it's a semi-attractive woman in her late 30s.

And...I couldn't function as well without my work spouse, an anomaly that wouldn't be possible without the feminist movement. She keeps me organized and focused, and I help her with industry knowledge and sales tips. It works great.

[Fallen]

I've learned that girls don't like to be referred to as chicks. Even in passing. That one has gotten me in trouble a few times. Go figure.

[Tgo01]

I've learned that girls don't like to be referred to as chicks. Even in passing. That one has gotten me in trouble a few times. Go figure.

They love being called honey by complete strangers though, try it.

[Gelston]

I've learned that girls don't like to be referred to as chicks. Even in passing. That one has gotten me in trouble a few times. Go figure.

I call them all bitches and hos. They like that.

[Drakefang]

I call them all bitches and hos. They like that.

I LOL'd but I felt guilty afterward.

[Tisket]

They love being called honey by complete strangers though, try it.

A Starbucks counter person called me "honey" once and I politely told her it reminded me of how a waitress in a greasy spoon acts in a bad movie. And then I carefully watched her prepare my latte to make sure she didn't spit in it.

[Drakefang]

If they call me sugar or honey, I double my tip. It's a southern thing and probably a guy thing. That's kind of the opposite of feminism, I guess. I do the same if it's a gay man. I hope that makes it okay.

[Gelston]

Yeah, all the (female) bartenders and stuff here say sugar or honey or something, to men and women customers.

[Tisket]

Crap, my memory sucks...it wasn't "honey" she called me, it was "hon." God I hate that term, especially coming, as it did, from someone younger than myself.

[Paradii]

If they call me sugar or honey, I double my tip. It's a southern thing and probably a guy thing. That's kind of the opposite of feminism, I guess. I do the same if it's a gay man. I hope that makes it okay.

Of course it's okay, but you are a homosexual though.

[Gelston]

Crap, my memory sucks...it wasn't "honey" she called me, it was "hon." God I hate that term, especially coming, as it did, from someone younger than myself.

The bartender at my regular place is a smokin hot redhead. She can call me hon all she wants.

[Tisket]

The bartender at my regular place is a smokin hot redhead. She can call me hon all she wants.

If it were a smokin hot redhead male, then he could call me "hon" too. But from a woman to another woman it sounds patronizing (to my ear anyway)

[Tgo01]

If it were a smokin hot redhead male, then he could call me "hon" too. But from a woman to another woman it sounds patronizing (to my ear anyway)

I can see it. If a man called me hon I would either A) run away and hide if he were bigger than me or B) tell him he's a wussy face idiot if he were smaller than me.

[msconstrew]

If it were a smokin hot redhead male, then he could call me "hon" too. But from a woman to another woman it sounds patronizing (to my ear anyway)

Definitely.

[Paradii]

If you believe that rape has more to do with looks than it does with asserting power and control, then you are a moron. That is all. And yes, Kuyuk, fat women get raped too.

The potential misconception here is that youth is correlated with attractiveness in females, and 80 percent of female rape victims are under 30. But I am sure we can all think of reasons why younger women and children are raped that have nothing to do with physical attractiveness.

[Drakefang]

Of course it's okay, but you are a homosexual though.

Ah, thanks for the education.

[msconstrew]

...But I am sure we can all think of reasons why younger women and children are raped that have nothing to do with physical attractiveness.

Yeah, I even suggested two of them in my post, which you quoted.

[Androidpk]

If it were a smokin hot redhead male, then he could call me "hon" too. But from a woman to another woman it sounds patronizing (to my ear anyway)

What if a latinsorm called you hon?

[Paradii]

Yeah, I even suggested two of them in my post, which you quoted.

You mentioned the mechanisms behind the rape, I was getting at other variables that correlated with age that increase or decrease the prevalence of rape (i.e. children have a lower probability of defense, younger women are more likely to get date raped because more younger women are dating, etc.

[msconstrew]

You mentioned the mechanisms behind the rape, I was getting at other variables that correlated with age that increase or decrease the prevalence of rape (i.e. children have a lower probability of defense, younger women are more likely to get date raped because more younger women are dating, etc.

Those are also good points. I think that there is some evidence that there is a rise among rape of the elderly, too. Basically anyone who is in a more vulnerable population/position is going to be a more likely candidate, unfortunately. But my original point wasn't the many and varied factors that make one more likely to be raped; it was that there are people out there that seem to think that rape has to do with someone's attractiveness, which is sadly inaccurate (and has a number of interesting correlations associated with it, too).

[Gelston]

How does discussing feminism always turn into a rape discussion?

[Some Rogue]

How does discussing feminism always turn into a rape discussion?

Because everyone knows all a feminist needs is a good fucking (consensual or not).

:devilsmile:

[Fallen]

Because everyone knows all a feminist needs is a good fucking (consensual or not).

:devilsmile:

oh wow

[Parkbandit]

How does discussing feminism always turn into a rape discussion?

Most feminists are prudes, lesbians or just plain ugly as fuck.

:welcome:

[Drew]

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2010/11/going_dutch.single.html


Going Dutch
Women in the Netherlands work less, have lesser titles and a big gender pay gap, and they love it.




I've been in the Netherlands for nearly three months now, and I've come to one overwhelming conclusion: Dutch women are not like me. I worry about my career incessantly. I take daily stock of its trajectory and make vicious mental critiques of my endeavors. And I know—based on weekly phone conversations with friends in the United States—that my masochistic drive for success is widely shared among my female friends. Meanwhile, the Dutch women around me take a lackadaisical approach to their careers. They work half days, meet their friends for coffee at 2 p.m., and pity their male colleagues who are stuck in the office all day.

Though the Netherlands is consistently ranked in the top five countries for women, less than 10 percent of women here are employed full-time. And they like it this way. Incentives to nudge women into full-time work have consistently failed. Less than 4 percent of women wish they had more working hours or increased responsibility in the workplace, and most refuse extended hours even when the opportunity for advancement arises. Some women cite the high cost of child care as a major factor in their shorter hours, but 62 percent of women working part time in the Netherlands don't have young children in the house, and mothers rarely increase their working hours even when their children leave home.

It's hard not to wonder: Have we gotten it all wrong? In the United States, the race for equality has gone mostly in one direction. Women want to shatter the glass ceiling, reach the top spots in the hierarchy, and earn the same respect and salaries as men do. But perhaps this situation is setting us up for a world in which none of us is having any fun. After all, studies of female happiness in the U.S. find that even as our options have increased and we have become financially more independent than in any previous time in our history, American women as a whole are not getting any happier. If anything, the studies show that we are emotionally less well-off than we were before. Wasn't the whole point of the fight for equality in the workplace to improve our wellbeing?

Dutch women could be considered extremely progressive when compared with most other women in the world—they have enviable reproductive rights and rates of political participation. But they are often responsible for only a small portion of the family income—25 percent of Dutch women do not even make enough money to be considered financially independent. The gap in pay between genders is among the highest in Europe, but because women are working only part time, this is not fodder for gender wars. Instead, women are more concerned with protecting their right to part-time work. In 2000, a law was passed mandating that women have the right to cut back hours at their jobs without repercussions from employers.

"We look at the world of management—and it is a man's world—and we think, oh I could do that if I wanted," says Maaike van Lunberg, an editor at De Stentor newspaper. "But I'd rather enjoy my life." Jacob Vossestein's book Dealing With the Dutch echoes that sentiment. He argues that people in the Netherlands view the hierarchical work environment with skepticism and do not generally envy those who climb its ranks.

Dutch women's refusal to seek longer hours has long bewildered economists. In the spring, the United Nations, suspicious that there was something keeping women from full-time jobs, launched an inquiry to see whether the Netherlands was in compliance with the women's rights treaty. A comprehensive 2009 study by Alison L. Booth & Jan C. Van Ours looked at the amount of time women in the Netherlands spend at work compared with women in other European countries. The authors assumed that part-time work was less desirable but ultimately confirmed that Dutch women don't want to spend more time at work. The NIS News Bulletin interpreted the results of the study as: "Attempts to get more women working full-time are doomed to failure because nobody has a desire for this. Both the women themselves and their partners and employers are satisfied with the Dutch part-time culture for women."

When I talk to women who spend half the week doing what they want—playing sports, planting gardens, doing art projects, hanging out with their children, volunteering, and meeting their family friends—I think, yes, that sounds wonderful. I can look around at the busy midweek, midday markets and town squares and picture myself leisurely buying produce or having coffee with friends. In a book released several years ago called Dutch Women Don't Get Depressed—a parody of French Women Don't Get Fat—Dutch psychologist Ellen de Bruin explains that key to a Dutch woman's happiness is her sense of personal freedom and a good work-life balance. But it's hard to transplant that image to the United States, where our self-esteem is so closely tied to our work. I wonder what the equivalent title would be: American Women Don't Get Satisfaction?

Women in the United States have become defined by the compromises we make. More than 75 percent of American women who are employed work full-time jobs. * As our responsibilities increase at work, they do not shrink at home. We give up time with our families for our careers, and after work we give up other interests for time spent with our children and spouses—because there are only so many hours in a day. Because of part-time work, Dutch women are able to develop themselves and their relationships in ways many of us simply don't have the time for.

How many times have you heard a woman brag about all that she juggles or seen her flush with self-importance when describing a hectic day? How many magazine sidebars have we all read telling us how to "simplify," "streamline," and "manage" our time, implying that this everywoman time-shortage problem is something we should embrace? We make fun of the '80s notion of the Superwoman, who was supposed to do it all. And yet she is still our ideal.

The problem for American women isn't just the amount of time we spend working; it is the notion that we need to be perfect at everything we do. TV shows, advertisements, and articles from women's magazines have formed this composite of a perfect woman who is successful at work, nurturing at home, always optimistic, and impeccably dressed. She dominates the boardroom and rushes in her pencil skirt to collect her well-groomed toddler. The ideal American woman doesn't just putter around in the kitchen or dabble in knitting. She opens a cake shop and knits scarves for fashion shows. She appears on Oprah. She follows her dreams.

Even though I'm almost positive that even if I am able to become this mythical woman I won't be happy, part of me still wants to be her. It's hard to shake the way I was raised. Yet the more time I spend in the Netherlands, the more I feel the pressure to be some sort of Superwoman recede. Which makes me think maybe we'd be better-off if we could relax and go Dutch.

[Suppressed Poet]

I've found that good pet names like sugar-tits, boo-boo-hump, and butter-lips are excellent ways of addressing women you know.

For women that I don't know, I just stick to ma'am.

[Fallen]

On an unrelated note, John McClain's wife from Die Hard 1 & 2 is a complete bitch. He saves her ass twice and she still leaves him. I bet she's a feminist.

[Delias]

On an unrelated note, McClain's wife from Die Hard is a complete bitch. He saves her ass twice and she still leaves him. I bet she's a feminist.

He was very insistent that his saving of her life could only be repaid in buttsecks.

[Kastrel]

How can you leave Bruce Willis? Unacceptable.

On the other hand, he usually has an ex-wife or something in most of his movies though, or at least marriage troubles. He must be doing something wrong.

[Fallen]

He was very insistent that his saving of her life could only be repaid in buttsecks.

....I'm failing to see your point.

[Delias]

....I'm failing to see your point.

and now we are back to talking about rape, I guess.

[Tgo01]

If women would just learned their place in society then men wouldn't have such an issue with feminism.

Problem solved.

[Gelston]

If women would just learned their place in society then men wouldn't have such an issue with feminism.

Problem solved.

Feminism is all the fault of the Japanese.

[Delias]

Feminism is all the fault of the Japanese.

And the japanese? they are china's fault.

[msconstrew]

And the japanese? they are china's fault.

And China is Russia's fault. Everything can be traced back to communism.

[Methais]

lol I did yes. If I expand that about 1000 words I'm pretty sure it would get me an A for ACADEMIC PRECEDENCE.

Actually it pretty much made anything and everything else in your post get an F for faill.

[TheEschaton]

I think Anticor already pointed out the issue with feminism. A huge number of supposed feminists don't want equality, they want preferential treatment while maintaining that they are "equal".

I actually know a lot of women who are kinda pissed that their mothers had to burn their bras and fuel a revolution that lead to the two-income family becoming the standard. I mean, sure, give them the right to vote if you MUST and by all means don't beat them overly, but some of them would rather be back in the kitchen and can't manage it now.

The rise of the two income household has nothing to do with feminism, and everything to do with the corporate stranglehold that has existed in this country since the worst President since Nixon, Ronald Reagan.

[Delias]

The rise of the two income household has nothing to do with feminism, and everything to do with the corporate stranglehold that has existed in this country since the worst President since Nixon, Ronald Reagan.

I CAN'T HEAR YOU THE SMELL OF CURRY IS TOO STRONG.

[Methais]

The potential misconception here is that youth is correlated with attractiveness in females, and 80 percent of female rape victims are under 30. But I am sure we can all think of reasons why younger women and children are raped that have nothing to do with physical attractiveness.

Is it because they're more likely to get in the van?

[Delias]

I CAN'T HEAR YOU THE SMELL OF CURRY IS TOO STRONG.

I thought this would be funny but honestly it just made me feel like an ass. I can't delete it, though, because I am apparently not supposed to tamper with the history of the PC.

[TheEschaton]

Umm, I don't see the problem. I love curry.

[Some Rogue]

Umm, I don't see the problem. I love curry.

And Quik E Marts.

[Methais]

http://youtu.be/qKhit2nsoq4

[Delias]

Umm, I don't see the problem. I love curry.

Honestly, I lived in a motel for a month or so when I was 18 or 19, and it was run by this indian couple. Very nice, very clean, and they never stole my shit which is a plus in a motel. The entire place smelled of curry though, so strongly that I think it burned out part of my nasal receptors.

I am in a strange mood today. Nevermind. I forgot my point.

[SHAFT]

This broad is better off making someone a sandwich than writing shitty blogs

[WRoss]

Honestly, I lived in a motel for a month or so when I was 18 or 19, and it was run by this indian couple. Very nice, very clean, and they never stole my shit which is a plus in a motel. The entire place smelled of curry though, so strongly that I think it burned out part of my nasal receptors.

I am in a strange mood today. Nevermind. I forgot my point.

Please tell me it was that skezzy place off Ogden. I forget the name, but it's a few blocks north of North Central. You know the place....

[Delias]

Please tell me it was that skezzy place off Ogden. I forget the name, but it's a few blocks north of North Central. You know the place....

Nah, it was in Clinting, CT right off Rt. 1.

Actually, this was it- https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Clinton+Motel,+East+Main+Street,+Clinton,+C T&hl=en&ll=41.27644,-72.511933&spn=0.000547,0.001321&sll=41.277081,-72.591047&sspn=0.008756,0.021136&oq=clinton+motel,+clinton,+ct&t=h&hq=Clinton+Motel,+East+Main+Street,+Clinton,+CT&z=20