Most powerful Character in GS4

[chrenraf]

Post your characters' stats here and let us debate! Who really is the #1. Peers shall decide.

[Mogonis]

This is going to go smoothly.

[Androidpk]

Droit wins.

/thread

[Archigeek]

Droit wins.

/thread

Rangers are overpowered...

[Tgo01]

Obviously the one with the most fame is the most powerful.

[chrenraf]

I'm looking for stats as well as battle theory craft including the choices and uses of weapons/armor/and enhancives.

[Geijon Khyree]

It's Droit and Kerl.

[Androidpk]

It's Droit and Kerl.

There can only be one.

[chrenraf]

^ there can be only one. This is the point of this thread.

[Showal]

What about characters who are not currently the most powerful but have the potential to become the most powerful in the game ever?

[gs4-PauperSid]

Of the many styles I've played, pure bard seemed the most OP. But then, I never really gave empaths a fair shot. Singing up weightless, 7x asg 15, while hunting on a traveling mana node (and sanct via song of peace's delay, incanting 1030. . .optional 7x shield/7x weapon with double flares and no need for a bless, etc) and he was only mid 60's training. And--not optimised cause he was also my picker.(picked -870, disarmed -287, not bad for 64 train bard imho)

Course, I never was much for pvp so I guess that could be different.

For context, --all my guys are mid 60's,
Immolation wizard (also did rapidfire 901 with air lore)
Pure bard (previously lancer)
Ranger archer (was voln brawl/archer, went straight archer after UAC)
Mstrike warrior --twc blunts (had the splitting hammers, 7x bonded fun times! only got to 8 focused not quite 10 focused. (like 4 trainings shy of that milestone)
Cleric - (untouched from gs-3, still trained Poles and bows in addition to casting/spellaim
funtimes had by all.

[chrenraf]

Looking for the right now, no doubt, king of the hill. (As expressed by those members)

[Androidpk]

Bards and rangers are definitely the top classes. I'm really surprised at how OP 1030 is.

[tallkris3]

I vote for Dayko

[BriarFox]

Semis pretty much own post-cap, but a spell tanking warrior is pretty impressive.

[Latrinsorm]

What about characters who are not currently the most powerful but have the potential to become the most powerful in the game ever?I don't even remember the backstory but my laugh reactors were engaged anyway. SHEEPLE.

[Mumblz]

I win, hands down.

[SHAFT]

Yeah, I first thought of Droit.

[Fallen]

Gnimble.

[Androidpk]

Kaedra is 40m+

[Drew]

Gnimble then Droit.

[Danical]

The "most power character" debate is mostly pointless in GS because it's typically the character that gets the first cast/action off will win.

For example, Gnimble's maneuver defense was probably one of the highest in the game with all relevant skills maxed, racial bonus, and self-spells that matter (e.g., Song of Luck) worn yet Droit blew me apart with spikethorn.

Gnimble's CS was 522 and would mostly auto-ward spiritualists thereby killing or incapacitating them but hybridists and elementalists would be problematic. At that point, I would sleep (tested on lvl 100 characters 50+ times with 100% success) the target with 1005 (another broken bard spell) then 1013 (absurd TD pushdown based on spellsong ranks) elemental TD spells worn on the target in ascending spell level to decrease difficulty of pulling them off; unless they fixed what I assume is a bug, 1013 wouldn't wake up a sleeping target. Once the TD was low enough, I would 1030 the target.

The list goes on and on (e.g., square character using hamstring with two feras vs pure character).

If I was forced to make a decision it would be a post-cap ranger (e.g., Droit) but I think the real winner would be the player with the lowest latency.

EDIT: I assumed this was a PvP comparison. I think PvE, pure bards win without question; they can do everything every other class can do but better and faster with 1030 and 1035.

[Androidpk]

I just started playing a bard for the first time and it feels like I'm cheating whenever I use 1005.

[thefarmer]

Gnimble's useless numbers

But can you hunt the Stronghold?!

[neimanz1]

Man you guys got this all wrong. I agree it comes down post cap ranger/bard. I think a bard has a slight edge overall. But when we talking about the single most powerful character in gs....

the answer is ....

xxxxxx-texas oil tycoon/ranger
-Chairman of xxxxxx (political figure)
-2012 frost king 3rd runner-up (popular among the people)
-2x cap or so? ( capable hunter )
- on ardwen's top 10 list of richest of people in elanthia multi times (financial powerhouse)
-gear up nicely ( since there isn't a bard gear up like that he wins by default) **would win arms race**

I don't know about you people but i am voting xxxxxx in 2016...

[Geijon Khyree]

Could break it down by class:

Ranger: Droit
Warrior: Kerl
Wizard: One of the legendary bow wielders?
Cleric: Kaedra (Is it even close?)
Empath: Snowie? Seen her around
Paladin: Valicar? He's not active though. Sabreon probably. Menos maybe.
Sorcerer: LOL Sorcs - Virilneus after joking? Shimmerain?
Bard: You guys said Gnimble
Rogue: Wolfloner?
Monk: Too new

This is active. A lot of people also hide fame. I am hardly an expert since I'm not close to this debate, but it has to be ballpark.

[Kastrel]

Could break it down by class:
Sorcerer: LOL Sorcs - Virilneus after joking? Shimmerain?


Probably that, though I really don't know all that much about other high-end Sorcerer hunters. He has a serious enhancive collection that gives him a huge edge in things like bolting, and I would assume it makes quite a difference.

[Sab]

I don't have much in the way of high end gear or enhansives just exp.

Sabreon, Paladin 40.5 mil Exp Swings around 705 with a 7x bastard axe.
Mistros Sorc 38.5 mil Exp Casts 526 (Heavy on spirit spells for web CS and ds from 102 and 120 instead of more sorc ranks for a little extra CS) Defense in 0x HCP armor is 900-950 depending on encumbrance.
Kranar Mage 32.5 mil exp Casts around 530ish AS 860 or so DS. with 1x HCP armor


Got one of each profession but the others are not much over 2x-3x cap so I won't bother listing them cause they don't qualify. But Danical is right, post cap it just comes down to who gets the first swing/cast off.

[Ardwen]

didnt we just do this on Lnet the other day? Likely come down to Kerl vs Droit and fastest wins. If ya add in the people that could cheat and allowed cheating the results would be vastly different

[Overlordz]

I just started playing a bard for the first time and it feels like I'm cheating whenever I use 1005.

I feel like that when playing my bard and using 1002. Especially if I get to cast it on a weapon and a shield.

[Buckwheet]

To be quite honest, I think it would come down to people like Marc or Jesh. Just the thought of them returning to the game makes people go crazy. I know I do when I hear rumors. I would say if you can re-open your account and just word of that happening makes other people pay real money to just be around you, that is power.

[Drew]

Paladin: Valicar? He's not active though. Sabreon probably. Menos maybe.


Menos because of gear.

[Showal]

forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?49932-Selling-off-my-whole-account&highlight=

[Vorpodu]

forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?49932-Selling-off-my-whole-account&highlight=

thank you for showing me this. My eyes are no opened to the CORRECT training path for everything.

[Showal]

thank you for showing me this. My eyes are no opened to the CORRECT training path for everything.

Email him for help unlocking your potential.

[WRoss]

Kaedra is 40m+

Not true

[Allereli]

Not true

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?24056-A-thread-for-people-who-finished-a-Post-Cap-goal-Today&p=1498709#post1498709

I may not agree with her on a lot of things but I don't think she's a liar.

[WRoss]

Well damn, she gained 12m exp really fast.

[crb]

Could break it down by class:

Ranger: Droit
Warrior: Kerl
Wizard: One of the legendary bow wielders?
Cleric: Kaedra (Is it even close?)
Empath: Snowie? Seen her around
Paladin: Valicar? He's not active though. Sabreon probably. Menos maybe.
Sorcerer: LOL Sorcs - Virilneus after joking? Shimmerain?
Bard: You guys said Gnimble
Rogue: Wolfloner?
Monk: Too new

This is active. A lot of people also hide fame. I am hardly an expert since I'm not close to this debate, but it has to be ballpark.

I am not close to being the sorcerer with the most exp, see Sabreon (though, at a certain point, you run out of combat skills to train in). But I definitely have the most toys. I can get my bolt AS to 695 (daily hunting level is 595), my CS to 560ish, and my DS to over 1000.

[Kastrel]

I am not close to being the sorcerer with the most exp, see Sabreon (though, at a certain point, you run out of combat skills to train in). But I definitely have the most toys. I can get my bolt AS to 695 (daily hunting level is 595), my CS to 560ish, and my DS to over 1000.

Good point about the combat skills. I'd be curious to see Sabreon's sorcerer's skill set, just to see where 5x cap takes you.

[Tgo01]

I want to see what kind of DS a capped pure can pump out with maxed shield use and maxed dodge.

[Methais]

Most powerful can depend greatly on what sort of situation you're talking about.

PvP it doesn't matter because first cast wins.

Normal hunting doesn't matter because normal hunting is easy. If anything I'd base that off of who can pwn the most in The Scatter, which seems to be easier for certain professions.

Invasions/huge swarms could make some difference, but ultimately it wouldn't matter because a GM would just show up sporting a 50000000000 CS / 999999999 TD critter and kill you.

Actually I guess it doesn't depend on the situation much, because they're equally pointless.

This game needs quest spawnable boss monsters that have an insane amount of HP to where it would require a group to take down over a decent bit of time.

[Androidpk]

I want to see what kind of DS a capped pure can pump out with maxed shield use and maxed dodge.

Self spelled?

[Tgo01]

Self spelled?

ALL of the spells.

[Methais]

ALL of the spells.

Over 9000.

[Tgo01]

Over 9000.

9000?! There's no way that can be right!

[Danical]

But can you hunt the Stronghold?!

I didn't really enjoy the Stronghold much, but had I not already been capped I think I would have liked hunting the Bowels. More accurately, I think I would have liked the idea of hunting the Bowels. Even past cap, that place made me want to rage-flip tables.

One of the things I tried to lobby for was a means for players to reduce their exp to any level break point so they could uphunt an area again. Most notably for me, this would have been Shan. I might have stayed around a little longer had that option been available.

[Methais]

9000?! There's no way that can be right!

I'm sorry, that came out wrong.

What I meant was
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd238/fpd100/OVER9000.gif

[Kastrel]

I want to see what kind of DS a capped pure can pump out with maxed shield use and maxed dodge.

Not sure what the end DS would be, but I did a little math on a capped pure wearing full leather with "average" stat bonus, assuming they were at 100.

With 101 dodge/101 shield, using a 4x small shield, they could get 206ish DS in defensive

With 101 dodge/101 shield, using a 4x tower shield, they could get 199ish DS in defensive

Thats incorporating inherent Agil/Intuition bonuses towards Dodge, so 30 or so of that DS is already there. So really, about a 185 point gain over a bare-handed caster. Not to mention no runestaff usage.

[Tgo01]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik

[Showal]

Not sure what the end DS would be, but I did a little math on a capped pure wearing full leather with "average" stat bonus, assuming they were at 100.

With 101 dodge/101 shield, using a 4x small shield, they could get 206ish DS in defensive

With 101 dodge/101 shield, using a 4x tower shield, they could get 199ish DS in defensive

Thats incorporating inherent Agil/Intuition bonuses towards Dodge, so 30 or so of that DS is already there. So really, about a 185 point gain over a bare-handed caster. Not to mention no runestaff usage.

AKA OVER 9000!!!

[Buckwheet]

I want to see what kind of DS a capped pure can pump out with maxed shield use and maxed dodge.

You could get a rough idea from my DS posted in the runestaff thread. My pure has max shield use and 40 ranks of dodge. You could extrapolate the rest of the DS from the calculation. It would be around 1100.

But most powerful is pretty subjective. I have seen level 80 or 90 sorcerers implode quite a number of high experience characters, not to mention creatures. So how powerful is the character versus the spell.

[Androidpk]

My guess is over 1000 at least. Just took these *hits* on my monk.

Defensive and then offensive stance.

A lesser minotaur swings a broad leather-wrapped waraxe at you!
AS: +368 vs DS: +663 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +97 = -166
A clean miss.

A lesser minotaur swings a broad leather-wrapped waraxe at you!
AS: +368 vs DS: +904 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +66 = -438
A clean miss.

[WRoss]

It's well over 1000. When Rogane was using THW, no dodge, I used to spell tank (full wizard, 613, 712, 905, 507, 508, etc..) for invasions and regularly had a DS over over 1000 in guarded.

[Suppressed Poet]

What is the character name of soulpieced? I don't know if he is most powerful or top on the bard charts, but he was my inspiration for choosing bard when I was bored with my Mage. I saw some of his versatility, looked at his post cap training, considered the huge options for all sorts of builds and said bingo.

[Geijon Khyree]

didnt we just do this on Lnet the other day? Likely come down to Kerl vs Droit and fastest wins. If ya add in the people that could cheat and allowed cheating the results would be vastly different

You and I did I think Ardwen, but I'm not the OP :)

[whiteflash]

What kind of TD vs spirit and elemental do post cap bards and rangers have (self cast)?

I have always been impressed with high xp warriors for their absurd survivability, ability to shake stuns, and can generate excellent offense. Any 2x-4x post cap semi is a force.

ps. cast 720/r

[Vorpodu]

You could get a rough idea from my DS posted in the runestaff thread. My pure has max shield use and 40 ranks of dodge. You could extrapolate the rest of the DS from the calculation. It would be around 1100.

But most powerful is pretty subjective. I have seen level 80 or 90 sorcerers implode quite a number of high experience characters, not to mention creatures. So how powerful is the character versus the spell.

this guy used extrapolate

[Geijon Khyree]

I'm on my way to work, but there is a TD/DS booster post or thread I think on Krakii or somewhere similar. An easy spell tank is:

401, 406, 414/419, 503, 509 (Strength! No DS! Sad Panda!), 911, 101, 103, 107, 202, 611, 618 and now 1204 (Foresight). Beyond that Wizard probably has the most self-cast spells for defense in addition to that or a sorcerer since they have access to minor elemental and deflection. WoF isn't hard to attain for either of them.

I'll let folks with more time do the rest. The above spells are simple to achieve even just sitting around TSC not knowing anyone. It's even easier with some means people have.

[Kastrel]

What kind of TD vs spirit and elemental do post cap bards and rangers have (self cast)?

I have always been impressed with high xp warriors for their absurd survivability, ability to shake stuns, and can generate excellent offense. Any 2x-4x post cap semi is a force.

ps. cast 720/r

I seem to recall that one of the few weaknesses inherent to these classes was TD versus the opposite sphere. However, Rangers do have mild elemental resistance and Ranger resist, so that helps versus many elemental attacks, while Bards can break out of disablers, which a lot of the worst spirit spells end up being.

[Buckwheet]

I am always impressed by high level warriors and their ability to take punishment. That is until I saw a empath wearing VHCP robes that were acting like chain armor with zero spell hinderance with maxed out trolls blood and no healing round times and the regenerate ability 4 or 5 times in a row.


I'm on my way to work, but there is a TD/DS booster post or thread I think on Krakii or somewhere similar. An easy spell tank is:

401, 406, 414/419, 503, 509 (Strength! No DS! Sad Panda!), 911, 101, 103, 107, 202, 611, 618 and now 1204 (Foresight). Beyond that Wizard probably has the most self-cast spells for defense in addition to that or a sorcerer since they have access to minor elemental and deflection. WoF isn't hard to attain for either of them.

I'll let folks with more time do the rest. The above spells are simple to achieve even just sitting around TSC not knowing anyone. It's even easier with some means people have.

Well, if you are talking a pure who is using CS you can add in 102, 303, 310, 313, 613, 1217, 1601. They are all commonly found on scrolls, outside cast, or can be imbedded. If you are talking about a major spirit caster with a nice set of characters you can go pretty crazy with living spell.

Here is what I posted using many of those spells and signs with very basic gear, this did not include 313, WoF, or wizard shield and a bunch of other spells.:

4x double leathers and 5x runestaff for the gear no major trinkets this is just me in my group.

Defensive:

Jinsem swings a closed fist at you!
AS: +70 vs DS: +1029 with AvD: +17 + d100 roll: +45 = -897
A clean miss.

J>stance o
You are now in an offensive stance.
J>
Jinsem swings a closed fist at you!
AS: +70 vs DS: +806 with AvD: +17 + d100 roll: +6 = -713
A clean miss.

[Drew]

One major difference between bards and rangers is that bards have a stun-breaker and rangers don't. If you're a bard and you get hit with a 15 round stun you can just break it, as a ranger you stand there for 15 rounds. It's always annoyed me that 5 classes (7 if you include sorc chants and wizard time reversal) have stun breakers/savers including some pures and rangers get nothing at all.

[SHAFT]

How are war mages in later lvl's?

[Androidpk]

One major difference between bards and rangers is that bards have a stun-breaker and rangers don't. If you're a bard and you get hit with a 15 round stun you can just break it, as a ranger you stand there for 15 rounds. It's always annoyed me that 5 classes (7 if you include sorc chants and wizard time reversal) have stun breakers/savers including some pures and rangers get nothing at all.

I know warriors, bards, and paladins can break stuns but who else? There is a pretty big difference in flat out breaking a stun/binding type spell and avoiding an attack (temporal reversion/blink). I think it's ok that rangers don't get something like that, they more than make up for it in other areas and are already considered an OP class by many.

[Whirlin]

My archer mage is 85, The only problems I have are a little bit of DS from being a scroll hoarder, and slightly encumbered as a result, but other than that, no problems at all, 2-3 second kills, usually fry within 3 minutes of hunting if the mobs are plentiful.

Immolation would likely be better post-cap... just cause my AS growth is fairly limited going forward, compared to a pure who could get additional bolt AS growth out of 513. The most I could do would be 100 ranks in Ambushing for all of 15 more AS.

[Tgo01]

I know warriors, bards, and paladins can break stuns but who else? There is a pretty big difference in flat out breaking a stun/binding type spell and avoiding an attack (temporal reversion/blink). I think it's ok that rangers don't get something like that, they more than make up for it in other areas and are already considered an OP class by many.

Empaths can break stuns with troll's blood but if we're talking a 15 round stun you might as well not rely on troll's blood breaking you out.

ETA: Oh yeah troll's blood is just non magical stuns too.

[Tgo01]

How are war mages in later lvl's?

I can't speak for cap/post cap but I've been a favor of my wizard being a war mage since the haste 2 days (no RT? yes please!) and I'd say around level 70ish is when I started noticing it wasn't quite as effective as lower/mid levels. Mid 80's is when I switched to an immo build and the difference was very noticeable. Just start casting immo and don't worry about trying to get the critter to stance down.

The only thing I liked was the versatility of being able to kill anything without worrying about magic immune critters.

[Drew]

I know warriors, bards, and paladins can break stuns but who else? There is a pretty big difference in flat out breaking a stun/binding type spell and avoiding an attack (temporal reversion/blink). I think it's ok that rangers don't get something like that, they more than make up for it in other areas and are already considered an OP class by many.

Empaths with troll's blood and rogues have stunmans (which don't break stuns but help)

[Kastrel]

I know warriors, bards, and paladins can break stuns but who else? There is a pretty big difference in flat out breaking a stun/binding type spell and avoiding an attack (temporal reversion/blink). I think it's ok that rangers don't get something like that, they more than make up for it in other areas and are already considered an OP class by many.

I think it was including any sort of action from stun. I wouldn't include Temporal Reversion any more than I would include 107 TD flares, its just more powerful. I would include 712 chants, but they are significantly weaker than the others, because they are uncontrollable and only react to certain attacks, and your choice of spell may only work on certain enemies.

That said, the Empath regeneration power is close enough, healing you entirely then giving you heal pulses PLUS padding, on top of Troll's Blood healing you more and trying to stun break you. It isn't a stun breaker, but its a stun-survivor.

Rogues could also Stun Maneuver.

If I would to count the ones who I considered able to get out of a stun-death, it would be Paladins and Bards as the best, Warriors after, then Empaths being best able to outlive the stun and rogues being able to avoid the death, but not the stun. Surviving a stun with a Sorcerer is uncommon, but I'd give it half credit. But that puts Monks, Rangers, Clerics, and Wizards in category of their own with simply no post-stun method of continued resistance besides relying on your DS to keep you alive long enough, unless you count the extremely rare case when a Ranger companion saves the day.

[Androidpk]

Empaths can break stuns with troll's blood but if we're talking a 15 round stun you might as well not rely on troll's blood breaking you out.

ETA: Oh yeah troll's blood is just non magical stuns too.

Yeah, even then it only gives you a chance to break the stun, it isn't guarenteed. Same thing with a bards rally cry though I'm not sure of the % chance to work. That is one of the things I loved about playing a paladin. Divine intervention is such an amazing spell. Hit in the head with a claid and have a 13 round stun? No problem cause I'm going to break out of it instantly and kill the critter before it's even out of RT. Asides from horrible warding and manuever failures I could take one hell of a beating and still stand on my feet and dish it out.

[Vorpodu]

Hands down strongest characters are pures. I'm even going to reference back in the day here, but Malok(pure sorcerer) blew all of Drizzdt's(warrior) legs off, and then imploded him. Even Drizzdt's stronget swing couldn't touch Malok, but Malok could easily ward Drizzdt. It's the same today. The amount of spells a pure is able to put on would make it impossible for any square to touch them, when it is ridiculously easy for a pure to ward a square when said square has no spells. So is a [ure mor powerful than a square? Absolutely

[audioserf]

CMans by a capped warrior will absolutely smoke a pure. It comes down to who gets the first command off. Comparing uncapped GS3 to capped GS4 is really apples and oranges. If level 100 Drizzdt hits a feint, warcry, and tackle on level 100 Malok before Malok casts something, that's game over. To say nothing of shield bash or charge, which don't care what your DS is.

PVP in Gemstone is completely irrelevant. It's not designed for it.

[Kastrel]

In that scenario, however, wouldn't it be just as possible for a square to CMAN them into submission? Even if they had so much absurd DS that you couldn't touch them on the ground, disarmed and in offensive . . . a shield using warrior should insta-kill shield bash them. A rogue could cutt-throat them to entirely disable casting, and tag them with things like hamstring and leave them to bleed.

And then in the end, wouldn't a far-post-cap Semi be able to have the best of both worlds, spell tanking WITH combat maneuvers, not to mention Spike Thorn avoiding CS/TD equations?

I'll leave Empaths somewhat out of this set-up, because would be more able to avoid/survive such schenanigans.

[WRoss]

In that scenario, however, wouldn't it be just as possible for a square to CMAN them into submission? Even if they had so much absurd DS that you couldn't touch them on the ground, disarmed and in offensive . . . a shield using warrior should insta-kill shield bash them. A rogue could cutt-throat them to entirely disable casting, and tag them with things like hamstring and leave them to bleed.

And then in the end, wouldn't a far-post-cap Semi be able to have the best of both worlds, spell tanking WITH combat maneuvers, not to mention Spike Thorn avoiding CS/TD equations?

I'll leave Empaths somewhat out of this set-up, because would be more able to avoid/survive such schenanigans.

1150. Game over.

[Danical]

Yeah, even then it only gives you a chance to break the stun, it isn't guarenteed. Same thing with a bards rally cry though I'm not sure of the % chance to work.

1040 for personal use is 60% base -2% per second of duration remaining + 2% per rank in Mental Mana Control with a minimum of 40%.

Ex: 15 Round Stun with 101 Mental Mana Control

60 - (15 * 5 * 2)% + (101 * 2)% = 112%

HOWEVER! Most bards will stop at 24 ranks of Mental Mana Control primarily for two reasons: (1) mana sharing with other mental mana users, (2) the benefits from mana draining via 1013 cap at 24 ranks, this has been both tested and confirmed by Mestys when he was still the Bard guru. Divine Intervention is waaaaaaay better than 1040 until a bard is far post-cap to take advantage of MMC training. I can't remember, but can DI be used in RT? I know 1040 cannot, or could not when I was active. If DI can be used in RT then it's easily the best spell stun breaker in the game. There's always Sigil of Escape . . . can't do a whole lot after though.

[Danical]

But can you hunt the Stronghold?!

Wait a minute, is this a reference to the PURE KILLER thread? I cannot for the life of me find it now.

[WRoss]

Wait a minute, is this a reference to the PURE KILLER thread? I cannot for the life of me find it now.

Either that or a Throgg jab.

[m444w]

Stunmans help rogues survive any sort of meaningful stun (4+ rounds) is like being a meth-head helps you to make sound decisions.

Stunmans don't even merit a mention on that list. Vanish & stalking/hiding in general maybe.

[crb]

In that scenario, however, wouldn't it be just as possible for a square to CMAN them into submission? Even if they had so much absurd DS that you couldn't touch them on the ground, disarmed and in offensive . . . a shield using warrior should insta-kill shield bash them. A rogue could cutt-throat them to entirely disable casting, and tag them with things like hamstring and leave them to bleed.

And then in the end, wouldn't a far-post-cap Semi be able to have the best of both worlds, spell tanking WITH combat maneuvers, not to mention Spike Thorn avoiding CS/TD equations?

I'll leave Empaths somewhat out of this set-up, because would be more able to avoid/survive such schenanigans.

eh, it matters who types faster. I can kill anyone and anything in game if I type my command in first, but I'll be smoked by any other capped person if they type first (well, not just any capped person, but people of quality).

Shattered taught us that wizards and sorcerers tend to make the best PVPers though. Wizards, because of invisibility, and sorcerers, because of implode.

As long as we're talking about deadly though, a rogue can kill you from hiding without revealing himself, as can a well trained ranger I suppose. A sorcerer can kill you from the other side of town while he is getting a pedicure.

If you really want to get nerdy in an Enterprise vs. Star Destroyer sort of way, you can factor in flaring armor and other retributive attacks. If you did say 1000 fight simulations, in 500 a warrior attacked first, in 500 a sorcerer attacked first. The sorcerer would likely win every time he attacks first (I'm ignoring fumbles for now, because cmans can also end up with negative end rolls, so I figure it evens out). However, if the sorcerer is wearing flaring armor with 712 up, the warrior will not win every time he attacks first. A nominal percent of the time he will lose. In vegas, you'd play the odds and therefor bet on the sorcerer.

[Archigeek]

To me there's never been a question regarding who's better at PvP, and it's basically any pure with a spell that doesn't require a warding check, and with enough training even bypasses any question of padding or resistance for an insta-kill. For example, I wear implosion resistant armor, but in a PvP situation it never even comes into play because you're pretty much smoked if a sorcerer gets that spell off, at least if they have decent training. On the other hand, a square can wear just as many spells as a pure, and when in heavy armor have a negative CvA, and thus be pretty hard to ward, and even harder if they're wearing the right gear.

Square vs a ranger can be almost comical. If the ranger has the right aspect up, they're pretty difficult to hit.

The contention that it's the same now as it was in the Drizzsdt vs Malok example is ignoring a lot of factors. Most notably that there was no level cap, so a square was warded all the time by a wide margin. Additionally, why compare the square with no spells to the pure who's tanked? That pretty well defies logic.

[Androidpk]

We can go back and forth all day discussing this but I have a better idea. A free for all tournament involving the top players from each class. Behind Helden Hall's flagpole, tomorrow, 3pm. Don't tell any teachers. Winner gets bragging rights.

Ardwen/Shaft can handle the bookies/bets. I'll be expecting my 10% cut.

http://i48.tinypic.com/nfnzva.jpg

[Archigeek]

This happens every now and again and it's good entertainment. Thank you to Helden Hall and other organizations they've worked with to run these various tournaments.

[chrenraf]

Instead of a 1 on 1, perhaps do 3v3 or 5v5 so people have to use tactics on who to take down fast, etc. Get a mediator to start the fight and let the top people of the lands choose their 3v3 team. Another option is everyone submits to be on a 3v3 team who can show at least 2.5X cap exp and let the dice distribute who goes on what team. Make an entry fee and let's have a day of battle.

[chrenraf]

Sabreon, I still have that cloak to give you from the Lich saga to put in your relics.

[Androidpk]

There is no I in team and this thread is all about THE most powerful character. This means a free for all brawl with the last person standing taking home the trophy.

[Gelston]

There is a me in team, though.

[chrenraf]

I agree fully about the 1 on 1 tourney as well. I just also think a 3v3 would be awesome as well

[chrenraf]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=twadvd2DG_HtyM&tbnid=QETwLpmVnSO13M:&ved=0CAgQjRwwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FF6mGA&ei=mQkkUYGULIem9ASQ1YGABQ&psig=AFQjCNHOMihrAkzxiE_PeDercrBpfZfFoA&ust=1361402649757036

THERE IS AN I IN TEAM!!!!

[Soulpieced]

What is the character name of soulpieced? I don't know if he is most powerful or top on the bard charts, but he was my inspiration for choosing bard when I was bored with my Mage. I saw some of his versatility, looked at his post cap training, considered the huge options for all sorts of builds and said bingo.

Glorious.

[Soulpieced]

That would require unfreezing account. Otherwise, I would. Try again in a few years?

[Tisket]

Glorious.

You only appear when your name is mentioned? Why are you still a mod.

[Soulpieced]

I lurk plenty, just nothing of consequence worth posting about. And being a mod is sort of like being a Supreme Court justice. Lifetime appointments.

Justicepieced

[Tisket]

I think it's more likely that Kranar forgot you existed.

[Danical]

LAWYERED (http://www.thecampuscompanion.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/lawyered.jpg)

[Soulpieced]

http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/2/24/I_see_what_you_did_there_super.jpg

[SHAFT]

Sell me your katanaaaaaaaaaa

What type of katana? I'm assuming old school OHE type? I'd love to have one too.

[Stretch]

Silly translators, it was supposed to be 8000.

Also, if we measure power by # of times a character has been acquired (and therefore coveted by the masses), the trophy has to go to either Tijay or Edaarin.

[subzero]

I would include 712 chants, but they are significantly weaker than the others, because they are uncontrollable and only react to certain attacks, and your choice of spell may only work on certain enemies.

I wouldn't count 712, myself. First, it doesn't get you out of a stun at all. Second, whatever spell you're trying to hit an attacker with only has a chance to flare when you're physically hit while already stunned. This means that not only does it not work 100% of the time, but it doesn't work at all against magical attacks. Another reason I wouldn't consider this is because you have to still ward an attacker. All of that and still no guarantee of anything compared to simply doing something and not being stunned anymore.

Yeah, it can save your ass. Unfortunately, you've got to take a nice beating to even have a chance for the spell to trigger. As a half-krol sorcerer, I've managed to survive a lot more via 712 kills than I would have as an elf. This obviously doesn't account for 130 being the retribution spell, but from what I gather the repercussions of using that can be pretty hefty, too (I don't, and won't, use 130 in 712).

[Fallen]

Stole this from earlier in the thread. I'm counting gear and toys, but not MA advanages in PvP/PvE. If so, Sabreon's or Kitsun's crew wins anything for which they run a profession. Truly, though, any measure of strength in a non-artificial setting of GS4 (Weird concept, but stay with me) should take into account an MA team. Invasions, PvP, PvE, etc. The MA teams dominate, and it just so happens that many of the strongest characters are part of MA teams.


Could break it down by class:

Ranger: Droit
Warrior: Kerl (unchanged)
Wizard: Kranar or Kitsun
Cleric: Kaedra (Is it even close?) (unchanged)
Empath: Snowie? Seen her around (unchanged)
Paladin: Menos (gear)
Sorcerer: Virilneus (gear and resources)
Bard: Gnimble
Rogue: Tsin
Monk: Dunno

[crb]

We can go back and forth all day discussing this but I have a better idea. A free for all tournament involving the top players from each class. Behind Helden Hall's flagpole, tomorrow, 3pm. Don't tell any teachers. Winner gets bragging rights.

Ardwen/Shaft can handle the bookies/bets. I'll be expecting my 10% cut.

http://i48.tinypic.com/nfnzva.jpg

Last time I went to an event in helden hall I killed 20 people and was told I was banned for life from that sausage party. It was hilarious though.

[Suppressed Poet]

Glorious.

Heh - had no idea you still looked at the forums as you haven't posted in a long time.


That would require unfreezing account. Otherwise, I would. Try again in a few years?

No. By all means...take a break for anouther 8 or so years. Maybe by that time I could surpass you in fame/exp.

[Buckwheet]

Sometimes I love being so anonymous that my MA team doesn't get mentioned hah.

[Fallen]

Sometimes I love being so anonymous that my MA team doesn't get mentioned hah.

I wasn't well traveled. If you didn't hunt out of OTF I likely didn't know about you. If you DID hunt out of OTF when I still played then god damn, son, that's some anonymous shit right there.

[Kastrel]

I want to see what kind of DS a capped pure can pump out with maxed shield use and maxed dodge.

Did a little additional math here. I took dodging out of the equation, and looked directly at shield use versus runestaff usage. For my capped sorcerer with 11.4 magic ranks per level, my runestaff is giving me 145 DS in defensive and 45 DS in offensive (I took enchant entirely out of the equation here). With my stats, a tower shield and 101 ranks in Shield Use would give me 118 DS in defensive and 69 DS in offensive, HOWEVER, my Agility and Intuition give me 37 Dodge DS (18 in offensive), and using a Tower Shield would cut 17 DS off my defensive DS and bring my offensive dodge down to 5.

So ultimately, my DS would drop 45ish in defensive and rise only 11 in offensive. Further dodge training would favor runestaff using (100 DS more in def, 50 more in off), rather than shield use (54 more in def, 26 more in off), on top of that. I'm sure with Brawling training, my Parry DS might increase significantly combined with a shield, but as it stands, shield usage as a direct alternative to a runestaff would probably hurt a pure more than help, unless disarm were in question.

[Androidpk]

Monk: Brute

[neimanz1]

Rogue: Daiyon

Reason: Dark Elf - what else is there to say

[Androidpk]

He'll kill you for mocking him.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2rwqhl4.png

[Drew]

If we're talking about the most powerful level 86 rangers, I would definitely say mine is.

Also Kerl, what happens when Droit spike thorns you?

[Methais]

The contention that it's the same now as it was in the Drizzsdt vs Malok example is ignoring a lot of factors. Most notably that there was no level cap, so a square was warded all the time by a wide margin. Additionally, why compare the square with no spells to the pure who's tanked? That pretty well defies logic.

Because this matchup typically only took place at the Gladiator Games.

Which btw, the Glad Games had so many stupid rules and restrictions (no AoE spells, tons of banned single target spells, no guild skills allowed, etc.) that all Drizzsdt could do was just stand there.

[Kastrel]

Because this matchup typically only took place at the Gladiator Games.

Which btw, the Glad Games had so many stupid rules and restrictions (no AoE spells, tons of banned single target spells, no guild skills allowed, etc.) that all Drizzsdt could do was just stand there.

Wow, lets take away half a dozen useful PVP skills that 99% of Warriors and Rogues ONLY KNOW if they are in the guild. I can only remember a handful of individuals who RPed against joining the guild, and learned them as CMANs instead. Yeah, that is pretty stupid.

[Methais]

Wow, lets take away half a dozen useful PVP skills that 99% of Warriors and Rogues ONLY KNOW if they are in the guild. I can only remember a handful of individuals who RPed against joining the guild, and learned them as CMANs instead. Yeah, that is pretty stupid.

Not to mention, CMANs didn't exist back then either.

[Kastrel]

Not to mention, CMANs didn't exist back then either.

Wow. May as well have said no self-cast buffs to even that playing field.

[Roblar]

It's well over 1000. When Rogane was using THW, no dodge, I used to spell tank (full wizard, 613, 712, 905, 507, 508, etc..) for invasions and regularly had a DS over over 1000 in guarded.

This got me to try to add spells to see how far past 1K could go..

Defensive
xxx swings a closed fist at you!
AS: +67 vs DS: +1157 with AvD: -23 + d100 roll: +93 = -1020
A clean miss.

Offensive
xxx swings a closed fist at you!
AS: +67 vs DS: +773 with AvD: -23 + d100 roll: +49 = -680
A clean miss.

Using these spells
Spirit Barrier
Spirit Defense
Lesser Shroud
Spirit Shield
Elemental Defense I
Elemental Defense II
Elemental Defense III
Thurfel's Ward
Natural Colors
Resist Elements
Mobility
Cloak of Shadows
Mass Blur
Strength Of Will
Spirit Guard
Symbol of Protection
Wall of Force

I thought it would be higher

[Geijon Khyree]

Kerl has Rank 5 puncture resistance due to his armor specialization training.

It was also mentioned during the Drizzsdt examples that blah blah blah can't hit the caster.

Kerl is a hurler. The rules don't apply the same.

I still think my original answer to this thread stands.

[Archigeek]

If we're talking about the most powerful level 86 rangers, I would definitely say mine is.

Also Kerl, what happens when Droit spike thorns you?

Probably it hurts? He and I have only been in a couple of battle royals at Heldin Hall. He totally kicked butt in a UCS battle, and I managed to eek out a victory in open combat. Head to head and Droit is going to win that battle most of the time. Probably not because of spike though.

[Parkbandit]

There is no I in team and this thread is all about THE most powerful character. This means a free for all brawl with the last person standing taking home the trophy.
http://inbusinessmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/I-in-Team.jpg

[Buckwheet]

I wasn't well traveled. If you didn't hunt out of OTF I likely didn't know about you. If you DID hunt out of OTF when I still played then god damn, son, that's some anonymous shit right there.

Been in OTF since hrm 2008/9?

[Fallen]

On and off, yep.

[Danical]

It was also mentioned during the Drizzsdt examples that blah blah blah can't hit the caster.

Kerl is a hurler. The rules don't apply the same.

Isn't it still the case that post-cap casters use a tower shield instead of runestaff thereby increasing their ranged DS considerably? Although, could always Sunder Shield <character>. I don't think Sunder causes any RT on players though, which would then open up the chance for retaliation.

[Androidpk]

Sunder shield can destroy/disarm a shield as well as force stance and RT.

[Methais]

I don't feel like making a thread for it so I'll just ask here...

Sometime soon I'm going to start training up either 2H weapons or ranged. I can't decide which. I've always liked claidh swinging war mages, but ranged seems pretty awesome too.

I don't plan on buying an expensive high end weapon to go with it for either path, and will primarily be hunting Nelemar and warcamps, though I'm curious how both so in OTF and the Rift, particularly in the Scatter against Vvrael, since I've never been able to hunt Vvrael before due to their magic immunity.

As far as the Scatter goes, I might also look into this as a backup for when mana becomes an issue, since things don't get raped quite as much with Immolate due to higher TDs. I don't hunt the Scatter much because mana issues get annoying, but I've always liked the area and wouldn't mind spending more time on the mainland in general.

[Showal]

I don't feel like making a thread for it so I'll just ask here...

Sometime soon I'm going to start training up either 2H weapons or ranged. I can't decide which. I've always liked claidh swinging war mages, but ranged seems pretty awesome too.

I don't plan on buying an expensive high end weapon to go with it for either path, and will primarily be hunting Nelemar and warcamps, though I'm curious how both so in OTF and the Rift, particularly in the Scatter against Vvrael, since I've never been able to hunt Vvrael before due to their magic immunity.

As far as the Scatter goes, I might also look into this as a backup for when mana becomes an issue, since things don't get raped quite as much with Immolate due to higher TDs. I don't hunt the Scatter much because mana issues get annoying, but I've always liked the area and wouldn't mind spending more time on the mainland in general.

You don't actually ask a question, Methais?

[Methais]

You don't actually ask a question, Methais?

You're right. What I meant to say was "I don't feel like demanding an answer in a new thread, so I'll demand an answer here instead as to which you think is better, and why you feel that way."

Also, your question wasn't a question, but more of a statement with an incorrectly placed question mark at the end.

Reported.

[Whirlin]

With Ranged, you still get Spell AS bonus from 513 without influencing Ranged AS.
With a 2H, I've seen warmages not train Spell Aiming to pick up CMANs to keep their AS competitive.

Ranged + 2x Perception +2x spell aiming versus 2H + Cman
(ranged = 2H costs) 6/12 versus 12/8 (realistically 30 PTP versus 28 PTP)... if I calculated that right..

So you'll get 1 MTP more per level, that's a fairly insignificant. It's just about 2 method of attack or 1 method of attack with slightly better maneuver defense.

Since both rely on bonuses from 425 to keep AS competitive, and not MjE, I personally haven't found MjE CS attacks to be viable post level 51 (when you stop MjE due to the haste threshold)



I've always been an advocate of Archer Mages. They utilize the same DEX bonus for their ranged weapons as spell aiming attacks, so you don't need to worry about balancing STR, DEX, AGL, along with mental stats for TPs. Training for Haste RT reduction and Ranged AS doesn't sacrifice your Spell AS from being a viable opening attack with 505 or alternative attack for undead or magic-vulnerable critters. 6x Bow + e-bladed arrows are relatively cheap and keep your ranged AS high, to remain competitive while only being 1x in a weapon skill. And you can concentrate on just your DEX for enhancives, and get twice the benefit! They just seem rather complementary to me.

However, I'm NOT in scatter yet with Whirlin, only being 85 at the moment. I'm sure a pure would likely fare better in top tier hunting grounds, but would not have the versatility. And I've honestly not had any hunting problems in the last 25 levels since GS4 was released. (I took about a 10 year break!)

[audioserf]

The recent addition of the ability to STOP 513 when self-cast brings a bit of viability back to training in spell aim along with THW. However, you're miles better off using ranged, as you can bolt and shoot as needed without worrying about 513 at all.

[Drew]

Earthdiver (who is a halfling) did the war-archer thing at cap and it was pretty impressive. I'd go archery for cap. Actually just everyone go archery, it's the most OP combat form.

[Kastrel]

I don't feel like making a thread for it so I'll just ask here...

Sometime soon I'm going to start training up either 2H weapons or ranged. I can't decide which. I've always liked claidh swinging war mages, but ranged seems pretty awesome too.

I'm now finding myself in a similar boat. I'm rolling up a wizard soon, part of the inspiration of which was getting my hands on a box-found 3x claid. Not a month or two later, I found a sephwir composite bow, which is primarily valuable for use on non-Rogue/Ranger archers . . . ie, Bowizards. I'm suddenly doubting my decision, and since no one will buy the bow, I may reconsider his build direction.

[Latrinsorm]

You're right. What I meant to say was "I don't feel like demanding an answer in a new thread, so I'll demand an answer here instead as to which you think is better, and why you feel that way."

Also, your question wasn't a question, but more of a statement with an incorrectly placed question mark at the end.I am not impressed by this post.
Reported.I changed my mind.
I'm now finding myself in a similar boat. I'm rolling up a wizard soon, part of the inspiration of which was getting my hands on a box-found 3x claid. Not a month or two later, I found a sephwir composite bow, which is primarily valuable for use on non-Rogue/Ranger archers . . . ie, Bowizards. I'm suddenly doubting my decision, and since no one will buy the bow, I may reconsider his build direction.Keep in mind first that bowizard rhymes with charizard and second that Jesus Christ has died for us and is risen from the dead.

[Showal]

You're right. What I meant to say was "I don't feel like demanding an answer in a new thread, so I'll demand an answer here instead as to which you think is better, and why you feel that way."

Also, your question wasn't a question, but more of a statement with an incorrectly placed question mark at the end.

Reported.

I felt it appropriate to respond to a question that wasn't a question with another question that also was not a question, but that was, at least, made to look like one.

[Kastrel]

Keep in mind first that bowizard rhymes with charizard and second that Jesus Christ has died for us and is risen from the dead.

*squint* Are you saying that if I make a fire mage that uses a bow, I basically get charizard? If he is a dark elf, does that make him a shiny?

[Showal]

*squint* Are you saying that if I make a fire mage that uses a bow, I basically get charizard? If he is a dark elf, does that make him a shiny?

No. He's simply asking if you have time to speak with him about Jesus Christ.

Also, isn't a charizard just a type of sausage?

[Methais]

No. He's simply asking if you have time to speak with him about Jesus Christ.

Also, isn't a charizard just a type of sausage?

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/1886C1F5-57FE-4E4D-A9DE-6FF5678A777D-13418-00000B5E054A972D_zps491a15ce.jpg

[Whirlin]

*squint* Are you saying that if I make a fire mage that uses a bow, I basically get charizard? If he is a dark elf, does that make him a shiny?

Being a dark elf, that'd make him dirty.

[Showal]

What the fuck is up with all the dogs in a suit avatars??

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk2gaygZlF1qjqkf7o1_400.jpg

[Showal]

FUCK IT. I'm getting in on it too. Dog in a suit avatars are the new limehat avatars.

[Drew]

You still don't look as fly as me.

[Showal]

You still don't look as fly as me.

I went with sophisticated and stylish, not fucking goofy. You'd see my shit on the cover of GQ. Yours would be on the cover of Mad Magazine, cheap suit and all. Where'd you get that suit? Buy one get one on some internet site? I got mine cash money custom made.

[diethx]

I went with sophisticated and stylish, not fucking goofy. You'd see my shit on the cover of GQ. Yours would be on the cover of Mad Magazine, cheap suit and all. Where'd you get that suit? Buy one get one on some internet site? I got mine cash money custom made.

Not in that tie, motherfucker.

[Showal]

Not in that tie, motherfucker.

Hey, watch it. My kid gave me that tie. Promised the wife I'd wear it for my first day of work.

[Danical]

Sunder shield can destroy/disarm a shield as well as force stance and RT.

Against creatures, sunder shield can potentially destroy a non-magical shield, but will only disarm magical ones. However, against players, it will not ever disarm, it will render the shield DS to zero and "make your shield hand go numb" or language to that effect for something like 8 seconds. Additionally, unless they changed it since I was active, it did not stance force or give players RT like it does creatures. Hence my comments as to such. Although, I could just be incorrectly recalling sunder shield vs players. Could you satiate my curiosity and try it on a player and post or PM me the results, please?

[Danical]

Earthdiver (who is a halfling) did the war-archer thing at cap and it was pretty impressive. I'd go archery for cap. Actually just everyone go archery, it's the most OP combat form.

As did Doinket/Doug (I think was his character/player) with the spirit glove.

[Drew]

As did Doinket/Doug (I think was his character/player) with the spirit glove.

Dionket I believe, and he sold off a lot of his stuff.

[SHAFT]

Did he sell the glove bow too?

[neimanz1]

I don't think dionket sold his stuff. unless it was a private sell or something

[Helsfeld]

glove bows suck unless you are worried about getting disarmed the whole time ebows flare every arrow glove bows do not plus the whole god mode thing

as for the disarm crap warcamp for the rest of your life and do bandits

[Ardwen]

theres more then one glove bow, and Dionket didnt sell his

[SHAFT]

He has the good one

[Methais]

What's god mode on ebows all about?

>read bow

It reads:
IDDQD

?

[subzero]

Alright, I'm probably swallowing the hook here, but ebows don't REALLY say that, do they?

[Stanley Burrell]

Alright, I'm probably swallowing the hook here, but ebows don't REALLY say that, do they?

The IDSPISPOPD bow is still out there somewhere, but it's like 9023849083490 rooms NE of the corner of Elanthia.

And who could forget the IDCHOPPERS bow, rrrrrrnnnggh. That's my chainsaw noise, bye people.

[subzero]

Why does the ebow have IDDQD rather than IDKFA?

[Latrinsorm]

I went with sophisticated and stylish, not fucking goofy. You'd see my shit on the cover of GQ. Yours would be on the cover of Mad Magazine, cheap suit and all. Where'd you get that suit? Buy one get one on some internet site? I got mine cash money custom made.Florida fashion is weird, but because it's fashion that counts as better. I didn't make the rules, I only enforce them with an iron fist and impeccably manicured nails. Expect a strongly worded reprimand. Expect discounts.
The IDSPISPOPD bow is still out there somewhere, but it's like 9023849083490 rooms NE of the corner of Elanthia.I am continually disappointed that more people don't get the SPISPOPD reference.

I am not surprised that you do. You maintain your standard of excellence... blue.

[SHAFT]

I had to look it up but once I did, it all came back to me. I haven't played doom in like 16 years

[Archigeek]

Against creatures, sunder shield can potentially destroy a non-magical shield, but will only disarm magical ones. However, against players, it will not ever disarm, it will render the shield DS to zero and "make your shield hand go numb" or language to that effect for something like 8 seconds. Additionally, unless they changed it since I was active, it did not stance force or give players RT like it does creatures. Hence my comments as to such. Although, I could just be incorrectly recalling sunder shield vs players. Could you satiate my curiosity and try it on a player and post or PM me the results, please?

I'm pretty sure you're right, though I think the duration is variable. Would have to run some tests. I'm certain that it won't disarm the shield. Also, it won't destroy magic metal shields on critters either.

[Rolis]

Shit, I am late to the party but I brought my dog suit. Ready to hang out with my wang out, doggy style guise!

[Roblar]

I'm pretty sure you're right, though I think the duration is variable. Would have to run some tests. I'm certain that it won't disarm the shield.

What he said & Danical said - no disarming or breakage of player shields (magical anyway), but the duration of shield DS loss from destroyers has gone over a minute for me, with minimal rt.

[Showal]

Shit, I am late to the party but I brought my dog suit. Ready to hang out with my wang out, doggy style guise!

Fantastic!

[Darcthundar]

I want to see what kind of DS a capped pure can pump out with maxed shield use and maxed dodge.


Shield Use.........................| 201 101
Combat Maneuvers...................| 201 101
Brawling...........................| 201 101
Physical Fitness...................| 201 101
Dodging............................| 201 101

Only because you asked.

Self spellup only, signs, plus 140, 4x shield and 7x armor

Defensive

A spectral triton defender thrusts with a lackluster blue steel harpoon at you!
AS: +424 vs DS: +782 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +43 = -286
A clean miss.

Offensive lying down:

A triton combatant thrusts with an oak-shafted silvery blue trident at you!
AS: +418 vs DS: +560 with AvD: +28 + d100 roll: +55 = -59
A clean miss.


Now same as above with 4x runestaff


A spectral triton defender thrusts with a lackluster blue steel harpoon at you!
AS: +430 vs DS: +831 with AvD: +29 + 60 + d40 roll: +11 = -301
A clean miss.


Offensive lying down

A spectral triton defender thrusts with a lackluster blue steel harpoon at you!
AS: +430 vs DS: +569 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +42 = -68
A clean miss.


Once again same as above no runestaff or shield (DS will be lower since I have 101 in brawling):

Defensive

A triton executioner swings a coral-hilted sharply tapered longsword at you!
AS: +438 vs DS: +709 with AvD: +39 + d100 roll: +49 = -183
A clean miss.


Offensive lying down:


A triton executioner swings a coral-hilted sharply tapered longsword at you!
AS: +438 vs DS: +520 with AvD: +39 + d100 roll: +13 = -30
A clean miss.


Add your favorite scroll spells/enhancives and draw your own conclusions

[Kastrel]

Ow wow. Thats pretty much universally better with a runestaff, and you even have Brawling. Guess that kills any inclination I had for going in that direction.

[Fallen]

Ow wow. Thats pretty much universally better with a runestaff, and you even have Brawling. Guess that kills any inclination I had for going in that direction.

The advantages of a shield are typically best measured when using a 10x Tower. You gain the ability to block incoming hits and your bolt/ranged DS will be significantly higher. If adding 101 dodge plus a cast of blurs, you may be better off using a different size shield, though. Also, a shield cannot be disarmed whereas a runestaff can and often will in later hunting grounds. Sunder shield is exceptionally rare. Finally, his DS would have been higher were he actually holding an enchanted brawling weapon. You negate the ability to not be disarmed, but with the DS gain, any enhancive bonuses associated with the weapon, as well as the ability to parry, you add a fair deal of versatility to the build.

[audioserf]

At and post cap, Vvrael destroyers are the only thing that uses sunder shield. I don't even know of another creature that uses it, but I am sure there are a few.

[Fallen]

At and post cap, Vvrael destroyers are the only thing that uses sunder shield. I don't even know of another creature that uses it, but I am sure there are a few.

If bandits use the maneuver, it's rare. I can't speak for warcamps, though. Definitely no SS in OTF or Nelemar.

[AnticorRifling]

Clearly I'd win, I don't see any of those other characters mentioned having the ability to BAN ROBOTS. That is all.

[Methais]

Clearly I'd win, I don't see any of those other characters mentioned having the ability to BAN ROBOTS. That is all.

[Players' Corner, New Thread]
Upon arrival, you are overwhelmed by accusations of racism, dumb political jokes, bad drama, attention whoring, a hint of boobs, and memes. Scattered all around you are random people of several different types, most of which are either in love with themselves, have no idea what they're talking about, or are just weirdos.
Also here: Bot
Obvious exits: None


Bot says, "Hi I am Gasparagustainyanni, and I am new friend of all you. Lord of the Ring is favorite movie picture! I found these many well shoes here for prices of very good time!"

Anticor just arrived.

Speaking to Bot, Anticor says, "Derp."

Anticor swings a massive cock-shaped banhammer at Bot!
AS: 13333337 - DS: Under 9000 + AvD: +Gay +d100: 101 = 13324489
. . . and hits for 457643 damage!
As Anticor's cock-shaped banhammer strikes its target, the spirit of Anticor's super dad Haashek fades into view!
+9894 huge hugs!
Bot asplodes into an endless array of 1s and 0s that HarmNone could only inflict upon hearing the word "gay".
Bot falls to the ground motionless.

Anticor's searches Bot.

Anticor picks up some beef wellington.

As Anticor raises his beef wellington into the air, it is quickly absorbed by his cock-shaped banhammer.

Anticor just left.

[Showal]

Lol is that shattered?

[Kastrel]

If bandits use the maneuver, it's rare. I can't speak for warcamps, though. Definitely no SS in OTF or Nelemar.

Warcamps don't disarm or sunder shield.

[Methais]

Screw being the most powerful character in GS4 when you can immortalize yourself in real life by becoming a tree.

http://i.imgur.com/l8KmaQd.jpg

[Sean]

Silly translators, it was supposed to be 8000.

Also, if we measure power by # of times a character has been acquired (and therefore coveted by the masses), the trophy has to go to either Tijay or Edaarin.

True story.

[SHAFT]

Lol is that shattered?

That's in prime actually. You go trough a small trap door in methais' house and it takes you there. I went there once and couldn't get out. My character is still trapped in there actually.

[Buckwheet]

True story.

Then I own the two most powerful characters in the game whooooooo

[Danical]

At and post cap, Vvrael destroyers are the only thing that uses sunder shield. I don't even know of another creature that uses it, but I am sure there are a few.

Just as an aside, sonic weapons/shields cannot be disarmed/sundered which means the creature wastes an action as their weapon bounces off your sonic weapon/shield.

EDIT: For those that didn't already know.

[Candor]

Most deaths = The Most Powerful Character

I win.

[Methais]

Most deaths = The Most Powerful Character

I win.

Edward > you

[Overlordz]

Deadward > you

Fixed

[Sean]

Then I own the two most powerful characters in the game whooooooo

You're welcome.

[Danical]

Deadward . . . Teras memories.

[Tgo01]

What was the story with him anyways? I remember hearing about him years ago, he apparently died every 2.3 minutes, sometimes sooner. Was he trying to die that often or did he just really suck at hunting?

[Parkbandit]

What was the story with him anyways? I remember hearing about him years ago, he apparently died every 2.3 minutes, sometimes sooner. Was he trying to die that often or did he just really suck at hunting?

He really sucked at hunting and his real problem was he didn't care what PCs he killed while using CoL or any of the cloud spells. He would kill someone, they would go get raised then come back and smoke him. His typical argument was "You should know I would be here hunting, so it's your fault"

Didn't Beautifulgreen use the same basic tactics as Deadward?

[Archigeek]

He really sucked at hunting.

Didn't Beautifulgreen use the same basic tactics as Deadward?

Yeah, they seemed to both die at a faster rate than anyone else.

[Methais]

I thought Beautifulgreen was the one that fucked GMs IRL for in game stuff?

[Donquix]

I thought Beautifulgreen was the one that fucked GMs IRL for in game stuff?

You can suck both in game and at conventions.

[Parkbandit]

You can suck both in game and at conventions.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_majdn1c6iz1qhg17d.gif

[Showal]

That's in prime actually. You go trough a small trap door in methais' house and it takes you there. I went there once and couldn't get out. My character is still trapped in there actually.

Did it have two hands prying open the door?

[GTG]

Me bitches

[Methais]

Did it have two hands prying open the door?

I designed my house in approximately the year 1 P.G. (pre Goatse). Otherwise it totally would have.

[Gibreficul]

I just had to say my part here... LOL @ Wolfloner as most powerful rogue.

[Geijon Khyree]

Dionket is way up there in terms of badassery, but this thread has degenerated. Get back to Most Powerful in each class!

[Methais]

Max CS immolate wizard with rapid fire > you.

[SHAFT]

Max CS immolate wizard with rapid fire > you.

You might've officially beat GS. Time for a weapon skill!

[Methais]

You might've officially beat GS. Time for a weapon skill!

Once I finish these last few ranks of harness power I'm picking up CM and 2H weapons.

It should only cost me 943574675324367 experience.

[SHAFT]

Once I finish these last few ranks of harness power I'm picking up CM and 2H weapons.

It should only cost me 943574675324367 experience.

Why not ranged? I know you tried ranged a while ago. Arrows suck.

[Methais]

Why not ranged? I know you tried ranged a while ago. Arrows suck.

Either would just be something to screw around with, and yeah arrows suck.

[waywardgs]

Didn't Beautifulgreen use the same basic tactics as Deadward?

This is a necroreply, but Beautifulgreen was three people, always logged in, and all they'd do is cloud up a place, run back to a node, sit and absorb the incoming exp. Back when you could do that sort of thing. Anyway, they at one point had the highest experience in the game.

[edward]

This is a necroreply, but Beautifulgreen was three people, always logged in, and all they'd do is cloud up a place, run back to a node, sit and absorb the incoming exp. Back when you could do that sort of thing. Anyway, they at one point had the highest experience in the game.

Necroreply alert.

This is Edward Aeternus's original player (I sold the character in 1998) Dont really have an excuse for the mass murder during my hunts except that I was 15 years old in 1998. I didnt care about killing other players (or dying myself) hence the moniker "deadward", I just wanted to be the top dog in levels/exp/fame, which I more than achieved because I was so effecient in grinding out the exp, deaths included. Not to mention I leveled up quite a few clerics who couldnt effectively hunt teras and basically had to wait for me to die to advance in the game. I always got rescued very quickly because of that and thats how I came to be so efficient at leveling. BG/dissipate etc. never caught up during my time.

Thanks for the memories and mention guys. its nice to be remembered, even infamously.

[pimpinhoes]

What GS4 needs to do is have a Colosseum where each of the best from each class fight it out.

[Gelston]

What GS4 needs to do is have a Colosseum where each of the best from each class fight it out.

pvp is gay

[nocturnix]

Bards and rangers are definitely the top classes. I'm really surprised at how OP 1030 is.

I play a pure Bard. Although I'm not capped.

I have played alot of classes in GS although only lower levels.

My only comment on the "pure bards are the most powerful". I would agree for PVE (situationally, some other classes are better).

But for PVP, thats a whole other ballgame. I have done very little PVP but from what I do know: what works well for PVE, doesn't necessarily translate well for PVP. For example my TD is not as high as other casters, and I wear Aug Chain which basically leaves my head and eyes skin ONLY! So any ambushing class will likely wreck a pure bard. In the end though, with all GS PVP, 99% of who wins is first shot/element of surprise.

[nocturnix]

What GS4 needs to do is have a Colosseum where each of the best from each class fight it out.

PVP colleseum would be really cool, with autorezzer, keeping spells like in Arena. Maybe even healing wounds.

You could even charge silver/simucoins for entries.

Some kind of rewards would be cool too but thats a bigger ask. Just simple colleseum with above features would be a start. Place it in a far away low populated city to get people to finally start going there. :D

[Arqueto]

For example my TD is not as high as other casters, and I wear Aug Chain which basically leaves my head and eyes skin ONLY!

I always thought aug chain would give you scale crit divisor for head/neck? Isn't that how all the AsGs work that don't provide full coverage?

[Methais]

I always thought aug chain would give you scale crit divisor for head/neck? Isn't that how all the AsGs work that don't provide full coverage?

This is correct.


PVP colleseum would be really cool, with autorezzer, keeping spells like in Arena. Maybe even healing wounds.

You could even charge silver/simucoins for entries.

Some kind of rewards would be cool too but thats a bigger ask. Just simple colleseum with above features would be a start. Place it in a far away low populated city to get people to finally start going there. :D

Would be nice if someone would tackle fixing the Gladiator Arena. Or build a new one from scratch if fixing the existing one is too much work.

We had medals and everything, which caused our electronic penises to increase in size significantly.

You tap a bas-relief gold medal that you are wearing.

Made of pure gold, the medal bears a relief of two gladiators engaged in battle, beneath which sits a finely-etched inscription. Embossed upon the back is the seal of the Cooperative Houses of Elanthia, colorfully detailed with glossy enamels.
There appears to be something written on it.

>read medal
In the Common language, it reads:
"Methais Sparkfinger ~ Champion of Bracket 175-199 ~ Cooperative Houses of Elanthia, Year 5102 Gladiatorial Non-Magic Games"

[RichardCranium]

What year is it now in Elanthia?

[Methais]

What year is it now in Elanthia?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3upW9i1nOuU

[nocturnix]

I always thought aug chain would give you scale crit divisor for head/neck? Isn't that how all the AsGs work that don't provide full coverage?

Ah ok, didnt know that. Where can i find info on this? Dont see it in wiki/armor

[RichardCranium]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3upW9i1nOuU

2002? Fuck.

[peam]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3upW9i1nOuU

METHAIS TORE MY RANDY TRAVIS POSTER.

FUCK!

[Avaia]

What year is it now in Elanthia?

5118.

[Methais]

5118.

https://i.gifer.com/ViV1.gif

[Arqueto]

Ah ok, didnt know that. Where can i find info on this? Dont see it in wiki/armor

https://gswiki.play.net/Armor


When a type of armor in a class doesn't cover a body part, the part counts as being covered by one class less when determining the critical rank of a strike.

[Red]

Obviously this is a mage with max water lore

[Methais]

Obviously this is a mage with max water lore

And no other skills at all trained.

[fleegs]

Hands down strongest characters are pures. I'm even going to reference back in the day here, but Malok(pure sorcerer) blew all of Drizzdt's(warrior) legs off, and then imploded him. Even Drizzdt's stronget swing couldn't touch Malok, but Malok could easily ward Drizzdt. It's the same today. The amount of spells a pure is able to put on would make it impossible for any square to touch them, when it is ridiculously easy for a pure to ward a square when said square has no spells. So is a [ure mor powerful than a square? Absolutely

None of that ever happened. I won both divisions of Gladiator Games. MAGICAL AND NON-MAGICAL. THE ONLY SQUARE TO EVER DO IT. I had no problem at all warding Malok or hitting him. I cut his head right off. There was a spellup period prior to the match. I cast all my spells did my imbeds and cut his head off at go. Who the hell is startinng this rumor that i sat there and he blasted my limbs off. Apparently when you are gone people make up shit.Who 5he hell is this Vorpodu fella?

DRIZZSDT

[RichardCranium]

Aw shit son it's getting e-real up in here.

[Methais]

Someone probably kept logs of the Glad games back in the 90’s. Anyone care to post what they got?

That’s just Necro impersonating Drizzsd because Necro is a huge loser with severe autism.

[Tisket]

That’s just Necro impersonating Drizzsd because Necro is a huge loser with severe autism.

Who's Necro?

[Gelston]

Who's Necro?

Macgyver

[fleegs]

Someone probably kept logs of the Glad games back in the 90’s. Anyone care to post what they got?

Eesh Meth every board. When you log in today come find me on teras. This is really me.
DRIZZSDT

[fleegs]

Then you gotta fix my rep line or something whatever that is. Folks saying you're bad repping me too or something. You ninny.

DRIZZSDT

[Methais]

Eesh Meth every board. When you log in today come find me on teras. This is really me.
DRIZZSDT

https://media.makeameme.org/created/im-sorry-theres-u1u3el.jpg

I will give you green reps when it rolls back around. I have the greenest rep. No one has greener rep than I do. I have the best rep.

[Methais]

None of that ever happened. I won both divisions of Gladiator Games. MAGICAL AND NON-MAGICAL. THE ONLY SQUARE TO EVER DO IT. I had no problem at all warding Malok or hitting him. I cut his head right off. There was a spellup period prior to the match. I cast all my spells did my imbeds and cut his head off at go. Who the hell is startinng this rumor that i sat there and he blasted my limbs off. Apparently when you are gone people make up shit.Who 5he hell is this Vorpodu fella?

DRIZZSDT

You tap a bas-relief gold medal that you are wearing.
>
l medal
Made of pure gold, the medal bears a relief of two gladiators engaged in battle, beneath which sits a finely-etched inscription. Embossed upon the back is the seal of the Cooperative Houses of Elanthia, colorfully detailed with glossy enamels.
There appears to be something written on it.
>
read medal
In the Common language, it reads:
"Methais Sparkfinger ~ Champion of Bracket 175-199 ~ Cooperative Houses of Elanthia, Year 5102 Gladiatorial Non-Magic Games"

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HealthyElderlyChrysomelid-small.gif

[Geijon]

Might have a log of this. Drizzsdt dominated.

[chrenraf]

Not bad. I started this 8 years ago and it went 5. lol.

So, who is now best per class and who has the most EXP total in the game (reg+ascension)?

[elvenpaladin]

I say half-kroven paladin or giant warrior

[Methais]

Not bad. I started this 8 years ago and it went 5. lol.

So, who is now best per class and who has the most EXP total in the game (reg+ascension)?

Rendena is the most powerful character in Gemstone.

[elvenpaladin]

Rendena is the most powerful character in Gemstone.

My dad thinks she's nuts lol

[Rjex]

I heard Zaoloo is the most powerful demi-god. Or Ycelacie. One of them.

[beldar17]

I have heard the same, multiple times.

[beldar17]

Aw shit son it's getting e-real up in here.

best line i have ever seen

[Methais]

I heard Zaoloo is the most powerful demi-god. Or Ycelacie. One of them.

https://i.imgur.com/NRN5xUL.jpg

[ycelacie]

Lol. I searched my name to see if my new profile picture worked.

Zaoloo by far is not the best sorcerer, in terms of CS or TD. Melivn and Archeth both have him beat by leagues.

[Drew]

They say the penis mightier than the sword so in that case I imagine my character is the most powerful.

[Luntz]

Lol. I searched my name to see if my new profile picture worked.

Zaoloo by far is not the best sorcerer, in terms of CS or TD. Melivn and Archeth both have him beat by leagues.

Live footage of Ycelacie on a date with her boomer boyfriend Aurien
https://c.tenor.com/y_Aumxs5ze4AAAAd/random-but.gif

[Dayko]

I vote for Dayko
Haha this comment is so underrated