Some questions about lores

[Tgo01]

First off 57 ranks in transformation lore is what's needed to never have any hard casting time when healing, correct? More transformation lore than that is pretty pointless, also correct? I like using Wither, does manipulation lore have a noticeable effect on instant death crits from Wither?

I left my empath with 64 ranks of summoning lore before I quit a couple of years ago but I can't find any reason why I stopped it at 64, is that a cut off point for something? What do you all find more useful when it comes to summoning/blessing lore? Before I put my empath's summoning lore down to 64 ranks for whatever reason I used to have that at least singled because of the benefits for wither and 111, plus the extra little perks like spirit fog (more for fun than anything practical), herb production, locating, blah blah blah. Now I'm thinking of going with blessing, I like the thought of possibly healing scars when healing wounds and the increased effect from manna bread. Other than that though blessing lore just seems to be more for helping out in groups, though that's not necessarily a bad thing either.

[Kitsun]

At cap, it's 57 Transform lore for no hard RT while healing.

My empath is a full 202 Blessing lore because it makes Troll's Blood pretty awesome. I do miss having SOME Summoning for 111 bounce though. If I didn't MA, I'd probably split it so at least enough summoning for cross-realm locate(90 I think).

[Tgo01]

I do miss having SOME Summoning for 111 bounce though.

I'm not a fan of hunting in swarms, doesn't 111 have a base of 8 targets? Do you hunt a lot of warcamps or something?


If I didn't MA, I'd probably split it so at least enough summoning for cross-realm locate(90 I think).

Yeah, if this was 10+ years ago I would probably pick up 90 summoning lore just for that very reason as well. With lich and everything the locate spell itself is almost pointless. Not totally pointless, just don't see much of a reason to improve it via summoning lore.

[Velfi]

I believe the 57 trans lore at cap for no hard RT also requires 1x empath base which may be a given, but I'm not positive on that. More transformation lore can increase blood restored by 1125 per tick, as well as granting you more uses of 1150 but it's a whole lot of lore for that. 2x/day at 50 ranks, 3x at 125, 4x at 200.

I'm a THW using GoS empath, so I initially went with blessings lore for the full stamina return with 1107 and 65 ranks, but I continued because I enjoy the scar removal chance and better bread. I plan on stopping at 1x (at cap), and starting on 1x summoning lore as a postcap goal. Once I have some summoning lore and some spell aim I can finally use 1110 and 111 which I'm imagining will be awesome alongside my weapon skill.

[subzero]

I don't really use Wither, so I'm not sure how well manip affects it, but the lore breakdown I have on my hunting empath is 65 blessing, 29 summoning (will finish spirit lore with summon ranks), 15 manip, 25 telepathy, and 50 transformation. I'll most likely toss seven more into transformation and then take a look at the thresholds on 1110 to decide if I will put some more points in telepathy before capping mental lores off with manipulation. If I weren't in GoS, I may not have the blessing lore on this one and would likely have just gone all summon.

The healing empath's lores are: 120 blessing, 82 summoning, 37 manipulation, 40 telepathy, and 125 transformation.

As to your 64 summoning, I don't see anything at 64. There are several at 60, 65, 66, and 68, though. Don't forget about the stamina restoration with 1107 and blessing lore. If you're GoS or grouping with people that use stamina, it can be pretty handy.

[Tgo01]

I'm going to hijack my own thread instead of creating another one. Has healing etiquette gone out the window these past few years I've been away? Twice now I have brought a dead body back to town only for another empath (different empaths each time) to heal them without me or the dead person saying a word. Both times the dead person knew I was an empath and didn't whisper anyone to heal them, these healers just jumped on it. What's the new rule now? If the person doing the rescue doesn't heal the body within 5 seconds it's up for grabs?

I remember in my day...

[Androidpk]

Depends on the town I suppose. I had that problem for a short while in the Landing until I started threatening the empaths to keep their hands off me or else. Once I dragged one of them in front of the bank and killed them it stopped.

[Tgo01]

Depends on the town I suppose. I had that problem for a short while in the Landing until I started threatening the empaths to keep their hands off me or else. Once I dragged one of them in front of the bank and killed them it stopped.

Now there's an idea...hmm...

[Buckwheet]

I am strongly considering dropping my 200 ranks of manipulation to take 200 transformation again. I just think the bonus for wither/shatter isn't there for the cost.

[Tgo01]

I am strongly considering dropping my 200 ranks of manipulation to take 200 transformation again. I just think the bonus for wither/shatter isn't there for the cost.

I was thinking of dumping my manipulation lore too (all 10 ranks of it.) I was going to just stick with 57 transformation and put the rest into manipulation but manipulation seems pretty useless. I hunt well with my empath with 10/0 ranks of manipulation so the slight increased chance of instant death seems pretty pointless, I already get instant death crits somewhat frequently. The only other nice thing about manipulation is the padding with regeneration but I think I'd rather be able to use regeneration 3 more times a day than have increased padding once a day, not to mention the increased health regen with troll's blood.

[Asile]

I'm going to hijack my own thread instead of creating another one. Has healing etiquette gone out the window these past few years I've been away? Twice now I have brought a dead body back to town only for another empath (different empaths each time) to heal them without me or the dead person saying a word. Both times the dead person knew I was an empath and didn't whisper anyone to heal them, these healers just jumped on it. What's the new rule now? If the person doing the rescue doesn't heal the body within 5 seconds it's up for grabs?

I remember in my day...

There are some serious vultures in the Landing. I don't do a lot of rescues, but I've had a similar thing happen to me enough times that if I come into TSC with a body, I immediately say in Guildspeak that I'm with So-And-So. If they can't pick up on that, there's no hope for them.

And yes, for some reason, etiquette in general has gone out the window.

[Kastrel]

There is some vulturing, but its usually unintentional. What tends to happen in this situation is that someone brings a corpse back to town, and without knowing the rescuer was an empath, another empath offers to heal.

There are a handful of very deliberate vultures around, but they seem to get chased out after a week or so. The other thing is that there are a LOT of new empaths around, and they don't always know the other empaths, so they may accidentally heal a dead person who asks for healing while the rescuer is on the ground in RT.

[Moonwitch]

There are a few empaths that are bots with scripts running while afk. I've had it happen to me twice in Illistim that once the body hit the room the script triggered and they healed them before I could even blink. It has also happened when people don't know I'm an empath and that's fine but one time when I hit Briarstone and they auto healed the dead body the response they gave me for my complaint was I should learn to aim better so I would not end up in that fog location.

There are a lot of new empaths in the Landing. I go once a month for my house meeting and spend a lot of time highlighting empath names so I know who is there and working. No one should just assume that a dead person needs to be healed unless they ask for it. It's a combination of a lot of things, but empath etiquette has suffered a lot.

I have often wished the empaths had a true guild. An apprentice that works directly under a master empath that helps them with learning to heal. Long ago I had two apprentices and it was a lot of fun helping them, it also builds good relationships.

[Gilralyn]

I have a low level empath, and I intentionally steer clear of healing areas because I don't know the etiquette and don't want to step on anyone's toes. It would be nice to have a mentor for playing the role of a healer. Perhaps when I spend more time on my empath I will seek one out.

[Gibreficul]

<late to party, as usual>

My empath kept mental and spirit lores at 1x going up to cap. All the spirit lore went to summoning. The mental lores were split 60 transformation, because it's prettier than 57, and 20/20 in manipulation and telepathy.

Summoning lore for web-bolt, unbalance, fire spirit, herb production, spirit slayer and wither's repeat cycles, AE silence along with some other benefits. Transformation for both the heal RT and the 1110 DF. 20 telepathy for the extra damage cycles on 1110, and manipulation got what was left.