Playstation 4

[Androidpk]

According to WSJ and a bunch of other sources Sony is going to be unveil the PS4 on February 20th.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323701904578276672168365276.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d-3GMHIgR-U

[Tgo01]

Come on, I just bought the PS3 like 6 months ago :(

[Gelston]

Heh, the PS3 has been out for 7 years in November this year. It is time for a new system! You can especially see the graphics start to become dated when you compare it to computer games.

[AnticorRifling]

Feb 20th, good date.

[Androidpk]

I skipped out on buying a PS3 would but would love to buy one on the cheap. Stupid exclusive games, I hate that shit. I want to play Heavy Rain!

[Kastrel]

Having been working at Gamestop when the PS3 and Wii came out, and spend 4 years listening to pros and cons of each system argued by co-workers, customers, and company reps, one thing I will NEVER forget was that they swore up and down that "With the PS3, you won't be replacing it any time soon! This will be the top of the line system for 10 years or more! Those OTHER systems will have gone through two or three iterations by the time the PS4 comes out!" Well, yeah, they beat the Wii U by two years, but look who had a LONGER run (Xbox 360).

[Androidpk]

Well, technically they are right. No other console generation has lasted as long as this one has. Even if the rumors of it being released this December are true that is still almost a year away and there are still some big titles yet to be released. I'm sure Microsoft's announcement will be coming soon too.

[Kastrel]

See, I disagree.

Their implication was that not only would it be 10 years before another came out (and I don't mean 8 and a half), but that the other systems wouldn't barely come close. It was never like "Well, the Wii might be out for 9 years, but we will be out for 10". Their marketing was very, very big on "we will not replace this system quickly, ESPECIALLY NOT LIKE THOSE COMPETITORS!". And for all that, the "close to ten", and beating the Wii . . . the Xbox still wins out. I'm sure a new Xbox is on its way, but that system had a year and a half head start on the PS3 and Wii, and its still trucking. PS2 won last gen's award for longest standing, but Xbox takes this one.

[Androidpk]

Maybe, but it's completely irrelevant.

[Latrinsorm]

Being proven right is always relevant, no matter the context or general pettiness of the point.

[Stabbyrogue]

Sure, but how many 360 owners haven't had to replace their consoles three times?

[Kastrel]

I've had one replacement, and both Xbox's were used. First lasted 3 years, and was old style. Current is 3 years and going strong.

[Androidpk]

Also, Xbox 360 only had a year head start. It was available on November 16th, 2005. Ps3 was November 17th, 2006.

[Tenlaar]

I got my 360 six or seven Christmases ago now. Still works fine. I've cracked it open a grand total of once to clean it's guts out.

[Gelston]

Sure, but how many 360 owners haven't had to replace their consoles three times?

Never had to replace my 360.

[Stabbyrogue]

Jeez. I know three people, plus myself that have had to replace them multiple times. I ended up buying a ps3, and it hasn't faltered.

[Kastrel]

Also, Xbox 360 only had a year head start. It was available on November 16th, 2005. Ps3 was November 17th, 2006.

Thanks for checking up on that for me. I started at Gamestop between that time, so I didn't know the exact date of release.

As for durability, oddly, the most durable system was Wii. I saw my fair, fair share of broken PS3s, not to mention the dozen "rereleases" of it. Very few broken Wii's.

[Androidpk]

I went through 3 360s myself, with the 3rd one going to my brother after his 2nd one died :)

[SHAFT]

I got my PS3 days after the initial release and still have it. Works like a champ

[Delias]

Thanks for checking up on that for me. I started at Gamestop between that time, so I didn't know the exact date of release.

As for durability, oddly, the most durable system was Wii. I saw my fair, fair share of broken PS3s, not to mention the dozen "rereleases" of it. Very few broken Wii's.

Wii's don't break- they break TVs. Also they're gay.

[Kastrel]

I appreciate a little homosexuality in my video games from time to time.

[Delias]

I appreciate a little homosexuality in my video games from time to time.

Well yeah, if you were playing Anal Invaders or Rump Ranger 5000, but Wii is just objectively gay and lame.

[subzero]

I agree the Wii blows chunks. Never thought the fuckin motion stick paddle thing was a good idea to center the console around. Lot of games I like to play wouldn't play well with that type of control, not to mention the jerky, annoying inaccuracy in general. As to the 360... I had one die on me. I dunno if I can entirely blame the xbox, though, cause I'm pretty sure I left it on overnight more than once.

[Bobmuhthol]

Sure, a Wii won't break because it's practically a toy. Anyone who looks at videos of that Wii emulator (Dolphin? Whale? Emu? I fucking forget, I'm pretty sure it's named after an animal though) can immediately see that the games have a lot of potential, especially for graphics, but the console is insanely limited. That said, I've owned a Wii since late 2007. They're entertaining, particularly after they're modded. But if you actually care about video games over social interaction, it's never smart to list Wii as a real system.

[Back]

As to the 360... I had one die on me. I dunno if I can entirely blame the xbox, though, cause I'm pretty sure I left it on overnight more than once.

What? If that is what is breaking XBOXs then they seriously suck. Not even to mention paying for XBOX live and no blu ray.

It seems like it has not been that long that PS3 has been out but I guess it has been. I've always thought that if Sony put a little more effort into their OS it could be an amazing all purpose platform for social media, movies, TV, and games in one box. Hopefully they caught on with PS4. I look forward to it.

[Kastrel]

The problem with the Xbox's was a adhesive holding the CPU to the wall of the system, that ended up not being very heat-resistant. It had a tendency to melt, then detatch from the wall, ruining it. However, it actually worked in reverse . . . it was possible to super-heat the system (called the towel-method) and temporarily melt it back onto the wall, but this was a short term solution at best.

They were poorly designed initially, and it took them about 4 years to fix the problem. However, once the first REAL re-release of the 360 came out, the problem was solved. It should never have taken that long. They were sued for it, it was so bad.

[subzero]

What? If that is what is breaking XBOXs then they seriously suck. Not even to mention paying for XBOX live and no blu ray.


Eh, maybe. I dunno if that was what caused mine to crap out or not, but I'm pretty sure game consoles aren't meant to run for a day or two solid. In any event, the re-heating method didn't fix mine entirely. I forget by now what difference it made, but I recall that it did make SOME progress, though I still had the good ole RRoD and an unusable xbox.

I definitely agree with the xbox live thing. I understand Microsoft is a business and all that, but jesus. How much money does Gates give away annually? It looks worse when you see that PSN is free. Never cared one way or another about the blu-ray other than the fact that it bumped the price on the PS3 up higher.

[Bobmuhthol]

Microsoft was good about warranties though. 3 years for RROD, and after expiration it was $99 to get a replacement.

[Kastrel]

One aspect on the Live versus PSN situation is that while you have to pay for Live, its a superior service. PSN games will go down for weeks at a time, because they are aren't hosted on Sony dedicated servers, while Xbox games are (except for EA games, for the most part). Probably should have been free, or cheaper, anyway.

There was also some sort of debacle where you couldn't chat with people playing on different game company servers or something . . . I don't know if that was ever resolved.

[Taernath]

I had to replace my second gen 360 once, but it was only after it had been through an overseas move, then sat in military storage for over a year.

The one I have right now I bought in 2009, and it's still working fine.

[Drakefang]

Hopefully, this will give me a chance to buy a PS3 for cheap. Use it for a couple years with older used games for a crapload less than $60. Then I can not worry about consoles for another 10 years while I use my PC for everything.

[Loyrl]

I am not sure I will get a PS4, but I had to replace my original xbox360 because of RROD. I also left it on all the time, more than I actually played it, which could have killed it. I love Costco though, I took it back after a few years and got a brand new version for free. Although now I think Costco has a 90 day limit on electronics. Game exclusives is something I am sick of and can't be bothered to buy multiple platforms for 300-400$.

[Whirlin]

Having been working at Gamestop when the PS3 and Wii came out, and spend 4 years listening to pros and cons of each system argued by co-workers, customers, and company reps, one thing I will NEVER forget was that they swore up and down that "With the PS3, you won't be replacing it any time soon! This will be the top of the line system for 10 years or more! Those OTHER systems will have gone through two or three iterations by the time the PS4 comes out!" Well, yeah, they beat the Wii U by two years, but look who had a LONGER run (Xbox 360).

Forgot about the Kinect.
Kinect and Wii U are basically on par with eachother in terms of upgrading the basic systems (from what I understand about them). Arguably, neither of them is a vast system overhaul though.

[Wrathbringer]

I've still got my release date 360 with the chrome tray and HUGE 20gb drive. Of everyone I know, I'm the only person that still has one that never crapped out. I'll probably get a next gen system when they come out, but I am a little concerned about the "games only working on your system and no one else's" thing, though. I've read that the PS4 and the next Xbox will be like that in order to kill the secondary market for games, but that's been a year ago. Anyone know if this is still the plan? Admittedly, I didn't read through the entire thread, so if this has been talked about, apologies.

Edit: Also read that backwards compatibility of games will end with PS3/360 as well. If that's true, I'll likely stockpile a couple 360's and PS3's specifically for that purpose after the next gen comes out and the prices on those plummet.

[Whirlin]

Interestingly and related, approximately 5 years ago, PETA invested a small sample of horse slaughter houses and found one to be inhumane, and through their drastic efforts, managed to shut down all horse slaughterhouses. The end result of this was a loss of residual value of horses after they've surpassed their useful life (to stud, to ride, to em-pregnant). The residual value of a horse was quite high. Animal Food companies use horse meat in cat and dog food, and glue companies use the bones and hooves. I'm sure their hides are used for somethings as well. This caused horses to have a residual value of about $5k-10k per horse (going off memory, I'm sure I'll be fact checked). This rendered some horses value-less, and resulted in owners simply setting them free rather than paying for feed. Thus causing horses to get hit by cars or starve to death... a fate worse than the humane slaughterhouses... completely contrary to their cause.

How does this apply to video games? They're going to reduce the potential market of their games, and not increase the sales which is their original intent.

From an economic point of view, the item has no resale value, like a horse. Therefore the price should be reduced accordingly, since that feature is no longer being included. One opportunity would be reducing costs by offering the games digitally only, and no longer distributing physical media.

If they continue to distribute games in the historical fashion of discs and such, storefronts will carry them. This would likely result in keeping the same price point of previous generation games, and not reducing even with the lack of resellability. However, a major component of operating profit for these stores come from offering about 5 cents for a brand new game, and selling them back for $50. Their goes a huge part of their operations, which could drive prices up even more, and thus reduce potential market by increasing the price point per basic supply/demand curves.

Of course, the alternative of purely digital distribution hurts the brick and mortar stores even more, thus killing them as a potential outlet for distribution. While I understand the audience of this post is obviously connected to the interwebs, a draw of the console game market is that they don't necessarily require internet connection or a strong underlying infrastructure to use. So they're basically losing a competitive advantage of being a console system by offering only digital distribution.

tl;dr... bad idea.

[subzero]

I've still got my release date 360 with the chrome tray and HUGE 20gb drive. Of everyone I know, I'm the only person that still has one that never crapped out. I'll probably get a next gen system when they come out, but I am a little concerned about the "games only working on your system and no one else's" thing, though. I've read that the PS4 and the next Xbox will be like that in order to kill the secondary market for games, but that's been a year ago. Anyone know if this is still the plan? Admittedly, I didn't read through the entire thread, so if this has been talked about, apologies.

Edit: Also read that backwards compatibility of games will end with PS3/360 as well. If that's true, I'll likely stockpile a couple 360's and PS3's specifically for that purpose after the next gen comes out and the prices on those plummet.

If they do that, they're only hurting themselves. I heard this morning actually that sales were down ~22% last year in part due to tablet and phone gaming. At the end of the day, it's not going to affect me a whole lot since I hardly use consoles anymore. No taking games to a friend's house, no rentals, resale... der, that oughta work well. That's the kind of thing that almost makes me want to pirate their shit just to fuck with'em. Oh well. I'm likely not buying the next gen console whatever they decide.

[Gelston]

Steam is putting out a console that is digital downloads only. http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Valve-Steam-Piston-Game-Console-First-Images-Released-51231.html

I can see Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo eventually going to this aswell.. Maybe not the next Gen but possibly the one after.

[Androidpk]

So the big press release is tomorrow in NYC. 2pm IIRC. There have been some more rumors floating around. One of them is that the system will have the capability of streaming ps3 games. This is apparently the reason why Sony bought the cloud based gaming service Gaikai early last year for $380 million.

[Loyrl]

There goes everyone's data cap. PS3 games + Netflix + porn

[Androidpk]

I thought it was 2pm but I guess it isn't until 6pm tonight, EST. I am predicting that one of the games shown will be Battlefield 4.

[Methais]

I'm not sure what it will be specifically, but I'm pretty sure shit is going to seriously hit the fan in one way or another with the next generation.

And when I say seriously, I mean like tubgirl tubgirling herself next to the intake side of a gigantic industrial shop fan.

My 360 (original model) red ringed twice before I gave up on it, and my original bulky PS3 yellow lighted on me once. The PS3 Slim I got as a replacement hasn't had any problems.

[Androidpk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SRy8IzaQLI8

[Androidpk]

Leaked prototype controller.

http://i49.tinypic.com/15wgb2e.jpg

[Latrinsorm]

I have it on good authority that Gemstone 7's prototype controller features a pentagon button. Suck on that, Sony.

[Drew]

PlayStation 4: 6 Features We Don't Want




Sony is making a big announcement tomorrow, and many are assuming it will be the next PlayStation. There are a lot of features the next PlayStation (let's call it the PS4) might have, but that doesn't mean it should have them.

The last game console generation was filled with experiments, missteps, and technical advances that point to potential upgrades, but considering how many of them were received in other systems, Sony might not want to go the same route with the PS4. Add to those experiments a slew of rumors regarding online services and copy protection, and the next PlayStation is a minefield of potential garbage, which could sink the system before it has a chance to develop. Here are features the PS4 might have, but really shouldn't.

Motion Controls
The Nintendo Wii was a hit, but like Rock Band and Guitar Hero, the motion control fad has come and gone. Sony tried to get the motion control attention with the Sixaxis and PlayStation Move controllers on the PlayStation 3, but at the end of the day everyone preferred to play with buttons and analog sticks instead of waggling controllers. The PlayStation Vita has motion controls, but even that's vestigial at this point, used about as much often as Sixaxis motion controls in PS3 games. As for no-controller motion controls like Microsoft Kinect, Sony shouldn't even try; after two years, even Kinect doesn't have any real killer app besides the same generic dance games over and over. It's time to move on, as long as that movement doesn't control a game.

Touchpad Controls
Speaking of vestigial Vita features, the touch-sensitive pad on the back of the Vita is used about as often as Namco's Taiko Drum Controller. Blindly fiddling with a touchpad is about as fun as waggling, only without being able to pretend you're doing something more fun. A touch screen might work well on the PS4, if Sony doesn't mind being accused of copying Nintendo again, but a blank touchpad like the Vita has on the back just won't fly.

Always-On Online 'Services'
I use the word "services" euphemistically because they tend to translate more directly into "hideous weight wrapped around your ankle" rather than "useful activities." EA's doing always-on "service" with SimCity. Ubisoft used to do always-on "service" with its Uplay system and its games. Playing games online is great, but I don't need to have my hand held every time I turned on the big plastic box I purchased. Make it optional, instead of a chain around our necks. Speaking of which, any thoughts toward preventing gamers from playing used games should be thrown right out the window along with it.

Proprietary Media Format
Sony has had a strange history with media formats. For the main PlayStation systems, Sony has made new formats a success. The formats weren't solely Sony's own, but the PlayStation, PS2, and PS3 popularized CDs, DVDs, and Blu-ray discs, respectively, in game and movie use. On the flip side, nearly every time Sony tried to popularize its own proprietary media format, it fizzled. UMDs on the PSP, the Memory Stick formats on Sony's cameras, and even now the Vita's whopping two proprietary media formats just aren't clicking very well. Since it doesn't look like there's a new general media format coming any time soon, let's hope that Sony won't try to use the PS4 to make a new Sony MegaMediaHolographicUltravioletDiscCardStick happen.

No Media Format
Remember the PSP Go? Neither does anyone else. It was Sony's attempt to make a download media-only version of the PSP, but thanks to its higher price and inability to use the UMD media on which PSP games came, it flopped. The Vita is faring a little better with lots of downloadable content, but it still uses Sony's Vita game cards. If we buy the system in a store, we should be able to buy the games in a store. It will be a bonus if we can play older games on the PS4 (Blu-ray discs don't exactly need the same bizarre machining to get to work in a home console that UMDs did to work in a PSP, which is the only reason the Vita gets a pass on that), but the PS4 needs to have some kind of physical media format. This goes back to the subject of used games, too. Video games are a community experience, and while downloaded games are great online and understandably can't be traded, being able to share your collection with friends is a decades-old tradition, and a way to get gamers to buy more games when the communal benefit is factored into the purchase. Digital downloads can't do that.

Barebones 'Core' System
Back in the 8- and 16-bit days, we were spoiled by pack-in games. It seemed natural that a game system came with a game to get you started. Nintendo has been sporadic with that tradition, but Sony and Microsoft never embraced it. However, Sony has spoiled us in another way thanks to PS Plus, and it can work in the PS4's advantage. Instead of selling PS4s with just the system, they should come with a game. This is where PS Plus comes in, and where Sony has a prime opportunity to let gamers game out of the box. Thanks to Sony's premium online service that offers a selection of free games for $18 per three months, all Sony has to do is offer a few months with each system. No cost of media packaging for them, nothing needed beyond putting a code in the box, and gamers can enjoy whatever games are free on PS Plus during that time. It also helps whet the appetite of customers, who might want to pay for PS Plus after that initial membership runs out so they can keep playing. Of course, if Sony wants to put in the latest God of War or Sly Cooper game into each box, that's cool, too.


http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2415559,00.asp

[Androidpk]

Specs in a nutshell.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2rc6ayo.jpg

Also, looks like that prototype controller was indeed the real McCoy. It has a touchpad, motion control, and uses a multi-colored light bar for player identification.

[Fallen]

Looks like IGN crashed under the strain of people looking for PS4 info.

[subzero]

What's the purpose of a touch-pad on a controller with analog sticks and buttons? I feel like I'm probably in the minority on this, but more and more my stance on touchscreen tech is moving from "Not a fan" to "I fucking hate you".

[Androidpk]

What don't you like about touchscreen tech? I'm not sure what it will be used for on the controller, I don't think they mentioned that.

Overall I thought the presentation was kind of mediocre. They didn't show the hardware and it seemed most of the games shown were just CGI stuff with a little gameplay thrown in.

[Kastrel]

What don't you like about touchscreen tech? I'm not sure what it will be used for on the controller, I don't think they mentioned that.

Overall I thought the presentation was kind of mediocre. They didn't show the hardware and it seemed most of the games shown were just CGI stuff with a little gameplay thrown in.

Personally, I've never encountered touch screen tech I liked, and with video game media, it always seems to make things worse.

[Androidpk]

Kindle fucking Fire.

[Back]

What's the purpose of a touch-pad on a controller with analog sticks and buttons? I feel like I'm probably in the minority on this, but more and more my stance on touchscreen tech is moving from "Not a fan" to "I fucking hate you".


Personally, I've never encountered touch screen tech I liked, and with video game media, it always seems to make things worse.

I can see touchscreens being utilized to create custom controllers for games. So you may have 4 other input buttons along with all the other controls already on the controller. Or, if you were using an iPad you may have a unique set of controls just for a specific game.

[Drew]

Am I the only one who wasn't very impressed?

[Androidpk]

The presentation was a little underwhelming but to be honest I wasn't expecting anything mind blowing. It's great to see that the games can handle the unreal engine 4 flawlessly and Square Enix's luminous game engine is stunning. Both of those demos were shown last year but it's great to find out that this console will actually be running them. Now if they announce it will have the same multiplayer capabilities that PCs have, as in Battlefield 32 vs 32, I will be all over it.

[Jarvan]

I hate when companies don't do backward compatibility tho.

[Androidpk]

I hate when companies don't do backward compatibility tho.

I never understand why people made a big deal out of this. When you buy a new console do you throw the old one and all the games out? If there is a game that is so great that you want to keep replaying it then just hold on to the system. For me personally I am more likely to buy a ps4 now knowing that it will be streaming ps1, 2, and 3 games over it's gaikai services. There were a few games I've always wanted to play but never wanted to dish out for the console just for 2 games. This solves that.

[Bobmuhthol]

That's a cool idea until you have to have a PS2, PS3, and PS4 all sitting next to each other when you could just have a PS4 that does everything.

[Showal]

I hate when companies don't do backward compatibility tho.

Agreed. You'd think this wouldn't really require much work. Then again, I'm not much of a computer guy and this may be really complicated.

[Androidpk]

It's more work than you think. The PS3 has a cell chip architecture and the PS4 uses x86. Two big features of this new console is its ability to stream older titles and to immediately start playing PS4 titles that you download, before they're even finished downloading. I wouldn't be surprised if the console didn't have a media drive. It would certainly help keep the costs down. They also talked about how they are going to heavily include streaming media providers such as Amazon prime, Netflix, Hulu, and others.

[Kastrel]

I seem to recall the backwards compatibility on the PS3 was difficult enough to accomplish that it was partially responsible for the initially high price of $600. Taking out the hardware required was one of the things they did that dropped the price of later editions. At least in the case of PS3->PS2, it wasn't quite as easy as you might think, probably because of the difference in media format.

[Androidpk]

Oh yeah, you'll also be able to stream your PS4 games on your PS Vita, if you happen to have one of those. That's pretty gnarly in my opinion.

[Showal]

It's more work than you think. The PS3 has a cell chip architecture and the PS4 uses x86. Two big features of this new console is its ability to stream older titles and to immediately start playing PS4 titles that you download, before they're even finished downloading. I wouldn't be surprised if the console didn't have a media drive. It would certainly help keep the costs down. They also talked about how they are going to heavily include streaming media providers such as Amazon prime, Netflix, Hulu, and others.

I kinda assumed there was something like that making backwards compatibility complicated, but from an outsider's perspective, it seems like some time could/should be spent doing that. I see it as a computer, basically. Making it capable of streaming things like Netflix doesn't seem like a monumental accomplishment, especially considering my Wii, tablet, phone, TV, roku, and DVD player all do exactly that and have for several years. I'm sure the consumer would probably appreciate being able to pop their old and favorite games in and play them, rather than repurchase and download them, over a feature that seems like it's almost mandatory in any device. Once again, I'm not a huge computer person, own no consoles anymore, don't currently play any game, don't program shit, don't really work with computers, so that's my outsider perspective. I'm sure they have a billion focus groups that say I'm wrong though.

[Showal]

Oh yeah, you'll also be able to stream your PS4 games on your PS Vita, if you happen to have one of those. That's pretty gnarly in my opinion.

That's pretty neat.

[Kastrel]

I'm sure the consumer would probably appreciate being able to pop their old and favorite games in and play them, rather than repurchase and download them, over a feature that seems like it's almost mandatory in any device.

Oh, its not just you, and I'm sure the focus groups agree with you. I think its a matter of unwillingness, it seems harder to include than one might initially think. When I worked at Gamestop, the dozens, maybe HUNDREDS of customers always looking for "60 gigs", the one that played older games the best. They were one of the first two editions, and discontinued very early. A lot of customers were only interested in one that would play PS2 games.

One of my favorite advertisements for the PS3 was the "It only does everything" marketing campaign. It shows a huge list of all the "features" the PS3 had, scrolling through them rapidly until it settles on the word everything. I would usually chime in that "It only doesn't play my PS2 games".

[Androidpk]

Oh there is no doubt they could come up with an emulator that played PS3 games but again, that would make the price go up. Not only would they need that they'd also need an optical drive as well. The more money they save by cutting those things out means they can focus on other areas. You're right, being able to stream Netflix isn't really a monumental capability. But it is a sign that the physical medium is becoming less and less important as cloud and streaming based services become more prevalent.

Anyways, how often do you go back and play older generation games? And by you I mean people in general.

[Kastrel]

Based on my experience with 4 years retailing video games, it depends on the accessibility.

But yeah, there is no market in putting effort into making the PS4 play PS3 games. While a few people might buy some PS3 games here and there, most people already own said games, and are just upgrading. Hell, I remember when the PS3 first came out, they actually LOST money with every console sold; they made back the difference in game sales. If the PS4 is the same, they don't want to sell systems that no one will buy games for, only for customers interested in the new games.

Another thing ironic about that was the very high number of customers in the first year only buying the PS3 for the blu-ray player. Probably part of why they lost so much money in the first year or two.

[Showal]

Oh there is no doubt they could come up with an emulator that played PS3 games but again, that would make the price go up. Not only would they need that they'd also need an optical drive as well. The more money they save by cutting those things out means they can focus on other areas. You're right, being able to stream Netflix isn't really a monumental capability. But it is a sign that the physical medium is becoming less and less important as cloud and streaming based services become more prevalent.

Anyways, how often do you go back and play older generation games? And by you I mean people in general.

Yeah. You guys both point out a good point. If I had a game or two I was obsessed with on an older console, I could see streaming it rather than increasing the price. If the price for additional hardware is an extra $100-150, it's certainly more economical to pay $10-15 to download it and get your fix that way. The compatibility with something like Vita is a great option. As someone that's not interested right now in a full console, I could see myself getting something like a Vita just for fun. Then again, I will probably not get one because I have an addictive personality with games and have made the decision that I enjoy things like hiking/camping and spending time with my girl more than playing games and I seem incapable of just playing a game here and there for a reasonable amount of time.

[Androidpk]

Correct. I'm sure Sony has no desire to hemorrhage cash like they did for the first couple of years with the PS3.

[Androidpk]

The big question is will the new systems like PS4 support Occulus Rift? How fucking badass would that be, combined with the motion capture support.

[Androidpk]

I was thinking it was a touchscreen on the controller not a touchpad. Derp.

[subzero]

What don't you like about touchscreen tech? I'm not sure what it will be used for on the controller, I don't think they mentioned that.



I think what annoys me the most is the accuracy. Even calibrated, sometimes things like my phone or an ipad just don't pick up certain motions or it's difficult to select smaller objects and whatnot. Then there are the public ones that you have no control over if they suck donkey balls. And now some genius decided a game controller complete with, what, at least 12 buttons and two analog sticks needs a touchpad for something? I don't think you can improve everything by just adding a touchpad.

[Androidpk]

I guess it depends on why they felt the need to include a touchpad. My only guess is for swiping through menus to give it a more organic feeling.

[Kastrel]

Honestly, my guess is so they can advertise it as if it makes the system more special, then incorporate it as a gimmicky selling point into virtually everything they can, potentially becoming an obstacle when it overcomplicates things.

[Androidpk]

Honestly, my guess is so they can advertise it as if it makes the system more special, then incorporate it as a gimmicky selling point into virtually everything they can, potentially becoming an obstacle when it overcomplicates things.

Sorry dude, you worked at Gamestop for 4 years. Anything you say is null and void on arrival.

[Kastrel]

Hahaha. Isn't the stereotype that Gamestop employees lie about how GOOD things are? Not the other way around?

[Androidpk]

Nah, the stereotype is that they're completely clueless in all things related to videogames.

[Kastrel]

Ahh. Okay. That sucks, 24 years of video game experience gone . . . I will have to start from scratch.

[Fallen]

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/392651/playstation-4-facts-everything-you-need-to-know/

This article did a great job of summarizing all the main features of the new system along with the new titles. I wont mind the touch capabilities if they are suited towards the activity taking place in-game, like controls in Diablo 3. I'd rather just have the ability to play with a mouse/keyboard for the games that call for it, though.

[Taernath]

- no always online
- no blocking of pre-bought games

Durango is finished if it pushes those.

[Loyrl]

I had this open while reading the article above, and was hopping I would have more than one sentence to say about it. I don't think I will buy it, I will see what the nextbox has and then buy that and play 2 games and let it collect dust on my tv stand as the 360 has.

I'm glad they aren't going with a last gen video card, and memory.

[Methais]

Sorry dude, you worked at Gamestop for 4 years. Anything you say is null and void on arrival.

A guy at GameStop told me like 3-4 years ago about an inside tip he had that Sony was secretly releasing PlayStation 5 (yeah, 5) the following month but wasn't telling anyone because they wanted to shock the market with ultra surprise. I told him he was full of shit and after informing him that 4 comes after 5 and 5 comes after 4, his response was "It's because it's gonna be that good."

I told him I was going to Play N Trade from now on and left.

Would it be racist to say that it was always the token black employee that always tried to feed people far fetched bullshit at that store? If so, then it was the token African-American employee instead.

[AnticorRifling]

Will it mighty my penis?

[Showal]

Will it mighty my penis?

The black guy in methais' story odd or the console?

[Showal]

CRAY

[Some Rogue]

PSN Purchases, Game Saves Won't Transfer To PlayStation 4


D'oh
(http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2013/02/21/definition-of-insanity-psn-purchases-game-saves-wont-transfer-to-playstation-4/?partner=yahootix)

[Ashliana]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rJDn0jRnUQ

[Fallen]

Hah! Good stuff.

[AnticorRifling]

That was pretty funny.

[AnticorRifling]

PSN Purchases, Game Saves Won't Transfer To PlayStation 4


D'oh
(http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2013/02/21/definition-of-insanity-psn-purchases-game-saves-wont-transfer-to-playstation-4/?partner=yahootix)


That's a horrible business decision.

[Tgo01]

OH MY GOD IT'S NEWS FROM BLIZZ oh it's Diablo.

[Kastrel]

Would it be racist to say that it was always the token black employee that always tried to feed people far fetched bullshit at that store? If so, then it was the token African-American employee instead.

I'd say its not true, either way. I've worked there long enough to see plenty of employees of diverse backgrounds attempt to feed people bullshit. A lot of them start believing it too, so they try to feed it to other employees as well. I've seen employees genuinely believe and try to convince me that selling a $15 video game magazine description to a 85 year old woman who has NEVER been in a Gamestop before (only buying a Christmas present for grandkids) is truly in her best interest.

[Fallen]

I'd say its not true, either way. I've worked there long enough to see plenty of employees of diverse backgrounds attempt to feed people bullshit. A lot of them start believing it too, so they try to feed it to other employees as well. I've seen employees genuinely believe and try to convince me that selling a $15 video game magazine description to a 85 year old woman who has NEVER been in a Gamestop before (only buying a Christmas present for grandkids) is truly in her best interest.

Hey now...Game Informer IS the world's #1 gaming magazine.

[Methais]

I'd say its not true, either way. I've worked there long enough to see plenty of employees of diverse backgrounds attempt to feed people bullshit. A lot of them start believing it too, so they try to feed it to other employees as well. I've seen employees genuinely believe and try to convince me that selling a $15 video game magazine description to a 85 year old woman who has NEVER been in a Gamestop before (only buying a Christmas present for grandkids) is truly in her best interest.

You'd say what's not true? That PS5 was coming out a few years ago as a top secret surprise release?

[Methais]

Hey now...Game Informer IS the world's #1 gaming magazine.

Just like all the other magazines are #1 too.

[Kastrel]

You'd say what's not true? That PS5 was coming out a few years ago as a top secret surprise release?

I'd say thats not true either. Or that "only the token black employees make up bullshit to tell customers".

[Drew]

http://i.imgur.com/4H5GVTV.png

[Methais]

I'd say thats not true either. Or that "only the token black employees make up bullshit to tell customers".

I guess it's a good thing that that isn't what I said then, isn't it?

[Methais]

http://i.imgur.com/4H5GVTV.png

THAT IMAGE WON'T WORK!!!!!1

[Kastrel]

I guess it's a good thing that that isn't what I said then, isn't it?

You know what you meant and you know what you said. And you know the difference is irrelevant.

By the by . . . African American is no longer politically correct. Black is the new "in".

[Methais]

You know what you meant and you know what you said. And you know the difference is irrelevant.

By the by . . . African American is no longer politically correct. Black is the new "in".

Back when arcades used to be mainstream, the black dudes (who never played anything, they just watched) there would feed you nonstop bullshit that was so far fetched that even the black dudes who did play the games would call them out and tell them they're full of shit, which obviously meant that they were Uncle Toms. This was before they'd shoot each other over stuff like that, so everything worked out in the end.

I'm not saying that only the token black guy at GameStop is full of shit about things. I'm sure the white hipsters are too. I was stating my own personal experience, and figured I'd rile up the sensitive types here in the process.

When did black become the new "in" again? I figured it would go back to "negro" before anything else, so as to not confuse the Mexicans that don't speak English.

[Kastrel]

When did black become the new "in" again? I figured it would go back to "negro" before anything else, so as to not confuse the Mexicans that don't speak English.

This is slightly dated (2011ish), so it might have shifted since, but the general idea was that "African" implied "from Africa", and a lot of Black Americans have either been in the U.S. for 300 years, or that their ancestors came from other countries, such as somewhere in the Caribbean, rather than directly from Africa. Under that system, it is "correct" to call a black immigrant from Germany an "African" American.

I'd go into more detail, but apparently Tisket says I shouldn't do that anymore.

[TheEschaton]

You've been living in the Deep South too long Methais, time to come up for air.

[Tgo01]

I've seen employees genuinely believe and try to convince me that selling a $15 video game magazine description

People bought magazine descriptions for 15 dollars? Shit I have to get in on this market, I can describe all sorts of things for 15 dollars a pop.

[Methais]

You've been living in the Deep South too long Methais, time to come up for air.

I like how you still think after all these years that everything I say is meant to be taken at face value with a serious tone.

Perhaps if I made a thread called "Is It Racist?" like Tosh.0 I would get a pass.

In before I get rep (or a post from WB) calling me racist.

[Kastrel]

People bought magazine descriptions for 15 dollars? Shit I have to get in on this market, I can describe all sorts of things for 15 dollars a pop.

Whoops.

[subzero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rJDn0jRnUQ

Nice.

[TheEschaton]

"OMG IT'S NEWS FROM BLIZZ...oh, it's Diablo."

[Taernath]

"OMG IT'S NEWS FROM BLIZZ...oh, it's Diablo."

If it allowed cross-platform play or was free for current PC users, I might get excited. But we both know neither of those will happen.

[Drew]

"OMG IT'S NEWS FROM BLIZZ...oh, it's Diablo."

Haha my reaction exactly.

[Androidpk]

Blizzard's announcement was the biggest letdown and a complete joke.

[Kastrel]

Out of curiousity, what were people wanting from Blizzard? As a long time Blizzard fan, but anti-WoW, anything Diablo related would be somewhat high on my list.

Was it hope for a WoW port?

[subzero]

They've made good stuff in the past. I imagine people were just hoping to get some good new console titles rather than a port of what has become a huge bust in Diablo 3. As for Warcraft, if I were playing the game and someone in my group was using a controller, I'd probably want to find them and beat them senseless.

[Androidpk]

Out of curiousity, what were people wanting from Blizzard? As a long time Blizzard fan, but anti-WoW, anything Diablo related would be somewhat high on my list.

Was it hope for a WoW port?

Project Titan.

[Taernath]

Out of curiousity, what were people wanting from Blizzard? As a long time Blizzard fan, but anti-WoW, anything Diablo related would be somewhat high on my list.

Was it hope for a WoW port?

Titan? D3 expansion? WC4? Med'an being retconned out?

[Tgo01]

Out of curiousity, what were people wanting from Blizzard?

ANYTHING but Diablo.

I don't think I'll ever get excited about a Blizzard announcement anyways, except for maybe if they make a new MMORPG. Diablo 3 was more than just a letdown to me, it was a complete fucking disaster. I remember people still talking highly about D2 8 years after it's released and making it sound like it was the hottest thing that was just released the day before. I haven't heard anything about D3 in months. Honestly I had completely forgotten about that game until I saw that linked video earlier in this thread.

[TheEschaton]

Yeah, Blizzard has been working on their next project, called Titan, for awhile now, and the rumor for the past couple of years was that it'd be cross platform, and available on consoles. So when people saw Metzen on stage at the PS4 announcement, they thought, for a brief shining moment, Titan was being announced.

Although, at this point, I think it's a sure sign Titan is being actively worked on for consoles considering Blizzard's "strategic alliance" with Sony as per this press conference.

I'm thinking it might be kind of like what EVE is doing with DUST 514. There'll be an MMO on the PC, and a FPS which supports localized fights on consoles.

[Taernath]

I don't think they're "allied" with PS per se, they just haven't said anything about Durango support yet.

[Methais]

I wouldn't be surprised if D3 ends up being cross-platform. Intertwining PC and console versions seems like it'd be too much for Blizzard to pass up due to the real money auction house, unless it was literally impossible, which it's not, since FFXI was able to do it years ago on PC and PS2.

Know what I really REALLY want with PS4? True mouse support. Not this bullshit where some 3rd party comes out with a mouse that emulates analog controls and has an annoying dead zone that defeats the whole purpose of using it to begin with. The Call of Duty kiddies will just have to adapt instead of QQing after they get destroyed by mouse users because it takes them 3 seconds to turn around with a controller.

[Androidpk]

Wonder what this means for Dust 415.

[Kaig]

I don't think I have any interest at the moment for a PS4. Nothing has really impressed me here at all. Streaming video has been around for a while now, streaming games... not sure I like that idea to begin with. Lack of Backwards Compatability is a disappointment to many sony consumers as well, including myself, and now the statement that previous psn purchased things may not be tranferable to the ps4? Oh hell no! They stick with that, and I honestly know a bunch of people who will not touch the new system at all...ever. Have to also add that any kind of motion controls for gaming is a huge, frustrating waste of energy, and usually doesn't work like advertised, but anywho...It's going to be an interesting year... Oh, and to clarify, I'm not getting one.

[Methais]

The only motion control thing that seemed to be on the right track was Kinect, but it would still need to be developed way further than that for me to get interested in that whole gimmick, especially considering that overall things haven't really evolved all that much from the Power Glove days, considering that it's been like 25 years since that came out. The only motion control game I really had fun with was some bowling game on PSN whose name I can't remember.

Once I can have full 360 degree motion sensored lightsaber battles that can take place across the whole house or something then it'd be cool.

[Parkbandit]

Once I can have full 360 degree motion sensored lightsaber battles that can take place across the whole house or something then it'd be cool.

I would buy the shit out of that console game...

[Showal]

The only motion control thing that seemed to be on the right track was Kinect, but it would still need to be developed way further than that for me to get interested in that whole gimmick, especially considering that overall things haven't really evolved all that much from the Power Glove days, considering that it's been like 25 years since that came out. The only motion control game I really had fun with was some bowling game on PSN whose name I can't remember.

Once I can have full 360 degree motion sensored lightsaber battles that can take place across the whole house or something then it'd be cool.

Do you think when we have the next generation of motion controllers that we will get another movie to release it like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJBucdfBscI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[4a6c1]

I was googling something about this playstation because I was curious and somehow got to a video game website that took me to Keannu Reeves website which took me to Man of Tai Chi movie Wiki which took me to a jakartan martial artists wiki Iko Uwais and I DISCOVERED A NEW MARTIAL ART. Pencak Silat! Must fight sumatran cat warrior asap! Also I looked for the thread of randomness so as not to pollute another thread with my prattle but was unsuccessful.

[Methais]

Do you think when we have the next generation of motion controllers that we will get another movie to release it like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJBucdfBscI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Only if he professes his love for the new motion technology and talks about how bad it is. Come to think of it, I think that line was intended to be taken at face value in the movie as a loophole for Nintendo to not be accused of false advertising with the Power Glove.

Unfortunately, Lucas grew up into a pedophile IRL. Maybe one of his victims can play the role as reparations. I wonder if the redhead chick got hot when she grew up.

[Kastrel]

Don't forget this amazing scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSPJhfdAUDs

[Showal]

Only if he professes his love for the new motion technology and talks about how bad it is. Come to think of it, I think that line was intended to be taken at face value in the movie as a loophole for Nintendo to not be accused of false advertising with the Power Glove.

Unfortunately, Lucas grew up into a pedophile IRL. Maybe one of his victims can play the role as reparations. I wonder if the redhead chick got hot when she grew up.

She became a musician, Jenny Lewis.

[Androidpk]

Here is the latest information.

* It will still have an blu-ray optical drive. Downloading PS4 games will be an option but they said too many people still don't have access to high speed internet.

* It will launch in the US before the holiday season this year.

* Battlefield 4 will be coming out at launch or shortly after.

[Androidpk]

Shenmue III?!?



Sony PlayStation 4 lead architect Mark Cerny and Shenmue creator Yu Suzuki have discussed strategy for Shenmue IIIat the Game Developers Conference in San Francisco. This was confirmed by GDC Events General Manager Meggan Scavio. Could this mean Shenmue III may finally get the green light on PS4?

[Androidpk]

Sony is full of so much win lately. They are completely taking advantage of Microsoft's shitty way of handling the new Xbox.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kWSIFh8ICaA

[Tgo01]

Oh, so what, now I have to say thanks to my friend when borrowing a game? Fuck you Sony! You don't control me!

[AnticorRifling]

That's awesome. Microsoft's ad dept is probably in chaos over this.

[Androidpk]

Prices have been announced. PS4 will go on sale for $399 and Xbone will be $499.

[AnticorRifling]

Bye Bye xbox.

[senorgordoburro]

Amazon sent me an email, you can preorder Xbox One already. I would like to get the PS4, but I will wait until they first wave of bugs has been worked out more than likely.

[Sile]

With the bad press on the Xbone. I'm surprised they are giving sony the price advantage.

So far I'm still a wait and see approach I don't think Sony has said either way how they will deal with used games.

[Androidpk]

With the bad press on the Xbone. I'm surprised they are giving sony the price advantage.

So far I'm still a wait and see approach I don't think Sony has said either way how they will deal with used games.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kWSIFh8ICaA

[Latrinsorm]

Market share as regards consoles has always been really interesting to me. It's easy to divide units sold by total consoles sold, but I bet there are some really interesting phenomena in terms of who owns only an XBox or only a PS, or who owns an XBox and PS but not a Wii, and so on. I would guess in America that gamers(/households?) with no more than one console of the last generation were a pretty low percentage.

[iJin]

I'm glad I get a discount from Amazon.com. woop

[Tgo01]

I'm glad I get a discount from Amazon.com. woop

I want a discount too. Buy my stuff for me.

[AnticorRifling]

Market share as regards consoles has always been really interesting to me. It's easy to divide units sold by total consoles sold, but I bet there are some really interesting phenomena in terms of who owns only an XBox or only a PS, or who owns an XBox and PS but not a Wii, and so on. I would guess in America that gamers(/households?) with no more than one console of the last generation were a pretty low percentage.

The only reason I own a console is for the kids. I've not had anything since the original xbox + Halo combo that sparked me enough to make a purchase.

[Methais]

This is the only good thing about XB1:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naTi2pPbtjI&feature=share&list=FLI55iA6fpT-OI8yJdQ5BeAg

[Back]

The only reason I own a console is for the kids. I've not had anything since the original xbox + Halo combo that sparked me enough to make a purchase.

And you call yourself a gamer? Shame shame.

[Sile]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kWSIFh8ICaA

That video is awesome.

[Snoopy Dogg]

Sony is full of so much win lately. They are completely taking advantage of Microsoft's shitty way of handling the new Xbox.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kWSIFh8ICaA

haha, knife inserted into microsft.. and twisted

[AnticorRifling]

This is the only good thing about XB1:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naTi2pPbtjI&feature=share&list=FLI55iA6fpT-OI8yJdQ5BeAg

I loved that game so much in the arcade.

[AnticorRifling]

And you call yourself a gamer? Shame shame.

Hmm I'm not sure I'd call myself a gamer. I generally get to call myself Caleb and Corbin's dad...normally followed with an apology for whatever awesome thing they've just done.

[Sile]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiiWw0D7jGE

Sonys middle finger to MS at E3.

[Gompers]

http://i.imgur.com/MZBDdSy.gif

[Tgo01]

Poor Microsoft :(

[AnticorRifling]

Poor Microsoft :(

Poor Microsoft? They've got no one to blame but themselves. Sony is doing the smart thing and taking full advantage of this press.

Perfect example of what happens when you let businessmen design your next gaming system.

[Taernath]

(laughing intensifies)

[Androidpk]

A couple more tidbits.

*Hard drive can be replaced/upgraded. Xbone hard drive can not be replaced.

*PS4 games are region free. Xbone games are region locked. This is pretty good for any Americans living overseas.

[AnticorRifling]

http://cheezburger.com/7264745216

[Methais]

http://cheezburger.com/7264745216

http://media.corrado-club.ca/albums/misc_pics/three_stooges_face_palm.jpg

[Taernath]

He was fired / let go soon afterward.

His defense was that his remarks were taken out of context, and he was just joking around.

[Thondalar]

Adam Orth just guaranteed I will not be buying an Xbox.

Not that I was going to anyway, Playstation4life. But still.

Though really I only have it for like sports games. Pretty much anything else is better on a PC. Also, I think it's kind of funny that the Next Generation of Consoles! still doesn't top the computer I built a year ago as far as graphics, RAM, etc.


-Thond

[Nathala Crane]

Sure, an awesome rig is always going to be ahead of whatever's happening in the console world. What always ends up making me buy consoles is the exclusives . Until those niche JRPG developers like Namco's Tales Studio and Atlus start to fully embrace PC gaming, Playstation4life.

[Latrinsorm]

Hmm I'm not sure I'd call myself a gamer. I generally get to call myself Caleb and Corbin's dad...normally followed with an apology for whatever awesome thing they've just done.You don't lead with "online forum administrator"?

[Methais]

You don't lead with "online forum administrator"?

He should be signing everything with that, and also have it on his driver's license.

[Some Rogue]

"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it’s called Xbox 360," (http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/06/12/gamers-without-internet-can-stick-with-xbox-360-says-microsoft)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sJJDxcXZbXA/UO2z-0H1guI/AAAAAAAAAC0/fD6Y26KnjOk/s1600/Facepalm.png

[Warriorbird]

Adam Orth just guaranteed I will not be buying an Xbox.

Not that I was going to anyway, Playstation4life. But still.

Though really I only have it for like sports games. Pretty much anything else is better on a PC. Also, I think it's kind of funny that the Next Generation of Consoles! still doesn't top the computer I built a year ago as far as graphics, RAM, etc.


-Thond

8 GB of DDR5 in the PS3 is pretty nice. 8 GB of DDR3? Not so much.

[Fallen]

I saw that. The best response i've seen is, "I've a product for that too! It's called a PS4."

[senorgordoburro]

Also, I think it's kind of funny that the Next Generation of Consoles! still doesn't top the computer I built a year ago as far as graphics, RAM, etc.

Aren't consoles able to squeeze more performance out of their consoles than a PC based on the fact that every console game can maximize the hardware, while a PC game is made for a mid tier machine and the people with nicer rigs can just increase the FPS or whatever?

[Androidpk]

Also, I think it's kind of funny that the Next Generation of Consoles! still doesn't top the computer I built a year ago as far as graphics, RAM, etc.


-Thond


Nothing new there. That has always been the case with PC compared to home consoles. Apples and oranges.

[Latrinsorm]

Graphics are only the 4th most important thing (maybe) for a game anyway.

[Tgo01]

Graphics are only the 4th most important thing (maybe) for a game anyway.

If the water in the game doesn't look like real water then what is the point in buying said game?

[Warriorbird]

Graphics are only the 4th most important thing (maybe) for a game anyway.

You sound like one of those Wii people.

[Latrinsorm]

Would you rather play Lair or Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past for the 100th time? (Feel free to substitute a more timely reference than Lair, I only know which games to make fun of via Penny R-Kayd.)

[Warriorbird]

Would you rather play Lair or Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past for the 100th time? (Feel free to substitute a more timely reference than Lair, I only know which games to make fun of via Penny R-Kayd.)

MGS4's probably got my most recent playthroughs. Follow that with Demon/Dark Souls.

[Taernath]

If the water in the game doesn't look like real water then what is the point in buying said game?

For me, it's all about shadow quality.

[Nathala Crane]

Sure, visuals aren't everything. It's hard for me to try and quantify or rank its importance, but graphical eye-candy does help make a game more immersive. I loved The Witcher 2 for its narrative and gameplay, but it wouldn't have been half the game it was if it weren't for CD Projekt Red's eye-popping art design and PC graphics know-how. It's part of the overall package.

On the other hand, my 2nd favorite JRPG of the generation was a Wii game: Xenoblade Chronicles.

On the other other hand, I still play through Super Metroid about once every couple of months.

[Latrinsorm]

This is me making the noises for the entirely superfluous scanner thingie. Just drop a super bomb!

[subzero]

Prices have been announced. PS4 will go on sale for $399 and Xbone will be $499.

Damn, Microsoft really dropped the ball on this one. If I were in the market for one of the new gen consoles, I'd almost be tempted to buy the PS4 simply because MS has been a bunch of fucking douchebags with this thing on top of costing 100 bucks more.

[subzero]

This is the only good thing about XB1:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naTi2pPbtjI&feature=share&list=FLI55iA6fpT-OI8yJdQ5BeAg

Nice. Did I miss any KI games after KI2? If not, it's been a looong time.

[Back]

If the water in the game doesn't look like real water then what is the point in buying said game?


For me, it's all about shadow quality.

Reflections are another tell tale sign. I have never seen them done as well as Ni No Kuni on PS3. This game also does water and shadows really well. Are these graphic limitations because of the hardware, programming, or art direction?

[Sile]

Reflections are another tell tale sign. I have never seen them done as well as Ni No Kuni on PS3. This game also does water and shadows really well. Are these graphic limitations because of the hardware, programming, or art direction?

Basically with stronger hardware, programmers can usually get better graphics with less work. Sometimes a game will come out in previous gen that takes a few years to surpass in new gen (graphics wise).

The longer the hardware is out, programmers will learn new tricks to optimise what it can do. This is evident on the quality of the games at the beginning of the hardware's life cycle vs the end.

[Back]

Sony announces Project Morpheus, a virtual reality headset coming to PlayStation 4
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/30301235/project_morpheus_press.0_cinema_960.0.jpg

Sny is pursuing new virtual reality technology dubbed Project Morpheus for PlayStation 4, president of Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios Shuhei Yoshida announced at GDC 2014 today. The headset, still in prototype form, will bring VR gaming and non-gaming software to Sony's new console.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/3/18/5524058/playstation-vr-ps4-virtual-reality

[Gelston]

So now they want to copy the Oculus?

[Taernath]

I can't wait for this generation of gamers to get their own Virtual Boy.

[Back]

So now they want to copy the Oculus?

Why would anyone not want to? I'm hoping that this is what puts Playstation into the next level of consoles. Currently it has no real wow factor from PS3. Not like the difference from PS2 to PS3.

[Johnny Five]

Why would anyone not want to? I'm hoping that this is what puts Playstation into the next level of consoles. Currently it has no real wow factor from PS3. Not like the difference from PS2 to PS3.

This is clearly a way to program you into a killer for the secret democratic army. MUWAHAHAHAHAHA

But besides the point. I'm really looking forward to Oculus, doubt I will buy one right off the shelf. I'll wait for EVE Valkyrie to get some reviews. (Oculus Rift has a 350$ price tag at the moment)
I could forsee some issues with the PS4 due to power constraints of the machine but time will tell.

[Latrinsorm]

Never be the first person to try new video game hardware. Sword Art Online, never forget.

[Gelston]

This is clearly a way to program you into a killer for the secret democratic army. MUWAHAHAHAHAHA

But besides the point. I'm really looking forward to Oculus, doubt I will buy one right off the shelf. I'll wait for EVE Valkyrie to get some reviews. (Oculus Rift has a 350$ price tag at the moment)
I could forsee some issues with the PS4 due to power constraints of the machine but time will tell.

They said they plan to eventually make the oculus free.

[Back]

I haven't looked into the Oculus but stories I've seen are about porn and body swapping. Kinky.

[Gelston]

I haven't looked into the Oculus but stories I've seen are about porn and body swapping. Kinky.

I bet those both become the largest industries if VR takes off.

[Methais]

Why would anyone not want to? I'm hoping that this is what puts Playstation into the next level of consoles. Currently it has no real wow factor from PS3. Not like the difference from PS2 to PS3.

Isn't that what people were saying about PS3 when it first came out?

I, for one, am greatly enjoying my new Netflix player, despite the fact that you can't turn off your controller while watching Netflix on PS4 because it pauses the movie and you have no way to resume it without turning the controller back on.

[Back]

Isn't that what people were saying about PS3 when it first came out?

I, for one, am greatly enjoying my new Netflix player, despite the fact that you can't turn off your controller while watching Netflix on PS4 because it pauses the movie and you have no way to resume it without turning the controller back on.

I don't know about other people but I was blown away by the improvements from PS2 to PS3. The whole OS, Blueray, online play, resolution... I'm not wowwed by the PS4. I guess I expected more. The OS is simplified and I like that but it still lags in the store and web browsing still sucks.

[subzero]

I can't wait for this generation of gamers to get their own Virtual Boy.

[Insert Flava Flav slugline]!

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[Methais]

I don't know about other people but I was blown away by the improvements from PS2 to PS3. The whole OS, Blueray, online play, resolution... I'm not wowwed by the PS4. I guess I expected more. The OS is simplified and I like that but it still lags in the store and web browsing still sucks.

So how about the games?

[Back]

So how about the games?

Meh. Nothing you can't play on PS3 except for maybe Thief? I like that there are more big title games available for download. Krack came with the system and I enjoy it. It's reminiscent of other console release games. It's no Zelda or Mario, but it is pretty close.